At 06:12 PM 4/28/98 -0500, valis wrote:
Milwaukee feels like a well-run city.
H ... I thought that Milwaukee was among the most if not the most
segregated cities in the U.S. (not that you can pin this sorry condition
on one neo-liberal hack mayor). A while back a certain parcel of acreage
Michael Eisenscher recalled, in part:
Milwaukee's last "socialist" mayor was Frank Zeidler, who, if memory serves
me, served until 1961.
The quotes there might be appropriate; a few years ago Frank told me that
socialism is possible without Marx. I listened but felt no curiosity.
Milwaukee's last "socialist" mayor was Frank Zeidler, who, if memory serves
me, served until 1961. Milwaukee (my home town) has a long affair with what
has come to be known as "sewer socialism," dating back to Dan Hoan in the
early part of the century. It is said that when the first socialist
I apologize to the list for getting into this again,
but I must say that I have never seen anywhere any claim
that the dinosaurs had been declining for two million years
prior to the asteroid hit, much less any credible data on
why such a decline was occurring. Could you provide the
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The more I think about question of the causes of the mass extinction
As the person who started the thread about Liebig and watched
it turn into the dino-asteroid debate, I'd like to note that my
attempts to connect Liebig's ideas about closed systems,
with value-theory, accumulation and Marxian ideas about
immanent laws of motion, was a question in economics not
San Francisco had a working-class mayor around the turn of the century; I
believe he was also a socialist. Once I knew the story, but it has
slipped my mind.
Paul
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Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote:
Actually I think that this discussion, although I am
not going to participate further in the dino extinction
part of it, is relevant. I remind that this arose out of a
debate over environmental/ecological economic issues. It
slid over into a discussion
Max B. Sawicky wrote:
Unless I've become too much of a town-booster, Milwaukee is the _only_
American city with socialist government in its purple past,
You have. The city of Reading, PA had a socialist
mayor by the name of Stump. He had a fondness for
the bottle but is generally
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote:
Milwaukee's socialist Mayor was Frank Zeidler in the
1950s (amazing given that Joe McCarthy was a Senator from
the same state at the same time). Last I heard, Mr.
Zeidler was still alive and kicking, although quite aged.
He was
Quoth Rosser Jr, John Barkley:
Bernie Sanders, who, despite the scorn heaped on him by
some on this list, is a "card-carrying socialist", was
Mayor of Burlington, Vermont before he became Vermont's
Representative in the House of Representatives. Also, [Paul Soglin,]
during his
In the course of a reply to some batty Maoists on the Marxism-International
list, Mark Jones had some interesting things to say that I repeat here:
CLR James, in 'Notes on Dialectics: Hegel-Marx-Lenin' reflects this
sense of mounting excitement he felt when he first seriously addressed
the
C. Kruse,
I've posted way too much today, but I'll define my terms anyway. By
development I mean the economic and industrial infrastructure needed to make
the stuff, sell it and finance it. I'm speaking of this separately from the
property relations that mold
The more I think about question of the causes of the mass extinction of the
dinosaurs, the more I think that it may be like that of the fall of the
Roman Empire. There are lots of good reasons why the Empire fell -- but
there's no reason to presume that (absent these causes) it would have
lasted
Cyberprotest is raging. Every moment, someone's uploading more. Billions of
bits and bytes of bilious assaults on the system. Any system. Calls to
Action. E-mail for Anarchy. Around the world, the Internet is fanning the
flames of discord.
It's all there by the gigabyte: press releases
I am happy to see the discussion about asteroids and the like. I have
just completed the first draft of a book ms. that is based on the
analogues of punctuated equilibrium and economic crises.
By the time that this thread dies down, I will have the book completed and
will settle all disputes
Cro. boddi':
Hope this doesn't sound nit-picky, but could you expand on what you mean by
"development"? For example, when you write:
*real* political economy. You see a world of excess that has to be
reigned in by the state. I see a world of development stifled and
perverted by capitalism.
Actually I think that this discussion, although I am
not going to participate further in the dino extinction
part of it, is relevant. I remind that this arose out of a
debate over environmental/ecological economic issues. It
slid over into a discussion of the more purely ecological
Doesn't anyone else have trouble with messages like this one? The BLS
daily reports come in with the second half in gibberish, and nothing our
system people seem to be able to do can fix it. Most of the Pathfinder stuff
comes in with some of the second half legible, though this one was
Boddhi,
I'm not going to pursue this further, but I shall
simply note that I was reporting to you what the current
scientific consensus increasingly is. I was aware of Robin
Hahnel's addition and am aware of some other pieces of
evidence, all pointing in the same direction. Several of
This is a tangent of a tangent, but that's pen-l, so why not?
As much as I sympathize with the objectives of SJ Gould and his
comrades, I think he has drawn the wrong line in the sand. It is not
the punctuation of evolutionary equilibrium but its path dependent
character that distinguishes his
Bernie Sanders, who, despite the scorn heaped on him by
some on this list, is a "card-carrying socialist", was
Mayor of Burlington, Vermont before he became Vermont's
Representative in the House of Representatives. Also,
during his first term as Mayor of Madison, Wisconsin did
not have
Bravo!
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I have begun reading David Harvey's "Justice, Nature The Geography of
Difference" in earnest, since I have been invited to submit an article to
one of those high-toned academic journals I am always railing against. The
submission will critique Harvey's analysis of American Indians as being no
C. Moore,
What you're saying simply does not hold empirical water.
Predators always "go for it". They don't get it and they die. Except for
parasites, non-human predators, even pack predators, are opportunistic. If
they don't get an opportunity, they're
C. Rosser,
No, I'm sorry but you are off. We know that there is evidence of
exogenous shocks, most compellingly an asteroid hit, during the extinction
period. What we do not know is what that shock caused. Asteroid hits
don't kill a planet full of dinosaurs.
After a furtive appraising glance at the Hudson boddhisatva wrote:
Boddhisatva never told anybody he lives in a high-rise anywhere
since he doesn't and boddhisatva never said that he didn't believe in
global warming. What he said was that he lived in Jersey City above the
Palisades,
Unless I've become too much of a town-booster, Milwaukee is the _only_
American city with socialist government in its purple past,
You have. The city of Reading, PA had a socialist
mayor by the name of Stump. He had a fondness for
the bottle but is generally well-regarded in memory.
I'd
Robin writes:
I thought this was a list for economists. Well, OK, not exactly
economists but political economists. Is that what makes a political
economist different from a mainstream economist. We talk about asteroids
and dinosaurs?
I think one thing that distinguishes us from mainstream
C. Henwood,
Cramer has had his fifteen minutes.
peace
C. Proyect,
There's no point having this discussion with you yet again. As
you know, I know perfectly well who is polluting what and with what
regardless of you efforts to paint me in to a stereotypical pro-industry
position. The "with what" question is the
Ajit Sinha:
Sometime ago, Mr. mitchell's newly found "Mate", Louis Proyet, went on an
attack on my character on 'Marxism' list--a list I have never subscribed
to. He wrote two three posts against me, and when I was informed about it,
I couldn't understand what was going on since i have never met
I was hoping to put this dispute off through personal communication with
the principals. I have asked both participants to refrain from
continuing.
I am also asking all the rest of you to avoid taking sides in
communicating with pen-l.
Thanks for your cooperation.
--
Michael Perelman
I thought the dinosaurs died because the
Phillips Curve shifted.
Fred F.
To whom...,
Boddhisatva never told anybody he lives in a high-rise anywhere
since he doesn't and boddhisatva never said that he didn't believe in
global warming. What he said was that he lived in Jersey City above the
Palisades, while Lou Proyect's concern about
To whom...,
Not surprisingly, the volunteer socialists at Spoons collective
did not fancy the idea of a lot of FBI attention being drawn to them nor
did they fancy the prospect of getting engaged in yet another brouhaha.
Knowing that Comrade Proyect was not going
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Three decades of increasing automation and
C. Henwood,
By no means am I defending the IMF as such, but the IMF, while
trying set limits and rules for internal investment does what it does to
encourage market-oriented investment (including foreign investment of
course). The argument, therefore has to be
At 19:59 27/04/98 +1000, Bill Mitchell wrote:
Dear pen-l
Today I emailed Micheal and asked for a particular person to be removed from
pen-l. It is not an action that I took without thought.
The person has seen fit to send email that I have sent to pen-l in the past
(Feb 1997)
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G'day Penners,
Having already blathered on about the politics of comparing 'efficiencies'
on the wharf, I find myself in need of some data. Not much - but the same
sort of thing.
A study has just been promulgated in Oz which shows that our
part-publicly-owned Telco charges more for its calls
Bill Rosenberg suggests 'productivity' figures may work for, rather than
against Ozzie wharfies. Too true! A new report out yesterday (I think
they're calling it the Drury Report or some such) points out that a
decisive variable in Oz productivity stats is the fact that most ships
unloaded here
I found the article reproduced below very interesting.
Of most current interest, it gives comparisons (in $NZ) between
waterfront wage costs in "North America", Australia, New Zealand and
Chile. It is clear the Ozzies aren't all that bad.
But it also demonstrates a couple of other things.
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