Re: Not good

2001-09-22 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, Doug Henwood writes, Ok, we're on the PEN-L bear watch again. What do you think we should do if the market keeps falling? Just what does it mean that it does? If it means a very bad economy ahead, what does that mean? Right now you're sounding like the color guy in the

Re: Saudi Royal Family in Flight

2001-09-22 Thread Chris Burford
At 22/09/01 00:15 -0500, you wrote: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24615 The article says The Saudi royal family has long been concerned about the rise of Islamic radicalism within its own kingdom. However the politics are much more complicated, and sections of

Re: Chomsky must apologize

2001-09-22 Thread Chris Burford
At 21/09/01 21:47 -0500, you wrote: I stand by what I've written. Andrew Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes it is presumptuous but I see some advantages to that. Certainly there must be serious debate within the left about the best way forward, even if it does not have to be totally united to be

Re: Not good

2001-09-22 Thread Tom Walker
Doug Henwood writes, Ok, we're on the PEN-L bear watch again. What do you think we should do if the market keeps falling? Just what does it mean that it does? If it means a very bad economy ahead, what does that mean? Right now you're sounding like the color guy in the ICU, and not much else.

More gloating?

2001-09-22 Thread Tom Walker
Thomas Duesterberg, president of the 400-member Manufacturers' Alliance in Arlington, Va., said the attacks struck at the roots of the productivity boom by exposing how vulnerable the economy was to swift disruptions of basic services like transportation. BOTTLENECKS EXPOSED ``The whole concept

More pissing

2001-09-22 Thread Tom Walker
Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, interviewed on PBS Television's News Hour with Jim Lehrer, indicated that bolstering capital investment was on the minds of policymakers trying to devise ways to add stimulus to a shocked economy. O'Neill said capital spending already was waning before the

Changes to Internet Surveillance

2001-09-22 Thread Ken Hanly
The New York Times September 21, 2001 Concern Over Proposed Changes in Internet Surveillance By Carl S. Kaplan Significant and perhaps worrisome changes in the government's Internet surveillance authority have been proposed by legislators in the wake of the attacks on the World Trade

Re: Re: Re: Bertrand Russell on class war

2001-09-22 Thread Ken Hanly
This brings up again UN resolution 1333. Apparently there is evidence that bin Laden was associated with embassy bombing in Kenya and elsewhere. Along with sanctions against Afghansitan, resolution 1333 would empower appropriate authorities apprehending bin Laden and turning him over to

deja vu all over again

2001-09-22 Thread Tom Walker
Let us take, as an example, the problem of Chechnya. The Russians have argued that the bombing in Moscow was carried out by terrorists from Chechnya. Some people have serious doubts about that and believe that it was carried out by Russian Mafia to encourage the invasion of Chechnya. Text of

Fwd: a personal analysis

2001-09-22 Thread Jim Devine
The following was a response to the responses one of the Fisk articles circulated from a friend of my sister's. It should be of interest, even for those who want war. I have been meaning to answer for a while now, but haven't had a moment to do so. Suraya Sadeed, born in Afghanistan and now

Re: Fw: global site coverage of the crisis

2001-09-22 Thread Michael Pugliese
My apologies for not deleting all those e-mail addresses in my forward. I'll tell Martin Shaw to bcc all on his list there, so dumbo here has not possibility of doing that again. I hope that data miners in the spam factories don't start sending more garbage to folks like Fred Halliday. Fred,

Re: Re: Re: Re: Garbanzos for peace!

2001-09-22 Thread Ken Hanly
You must be in a fortunate area of the Great Plains. Many areas of the Plains are sujbect to drought conditions from time to time. Of course they are also subject to grasshoppers, fusarium, hail, winds, and all sorts of other conditions that make for reduced yield. Nevertheless they do in the

Fw: [ASDnet] Wolin v. Hitchens

2001-09-22 Thread Michael Pugliese
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:07 AM Subject: RE: [ASDnet] Wolin v. Hitchens There must be two Christopher Hitchens, since Wolin is responding to an article that is almost, point for point, the opposite of

Re: deja vu all over again

2001-09-22 Thread Michael Perelman
I recall that Democracy Now had some fairly convincing discussion (Kagarlisky?) to the effect that the KGB did the bombings to stir up the flagging interest in the Chechen War. Police people were working around the buildings well before the blast Tom Walker wrote: Let us take, as an

Re: More gloating?

2001-09-22 Thread Michael Perelman
The Wall Street Journal had an article about the disruption caused to the Just-in-Time production systems around the country. Tom Walker wrote: Thomas Duesterberg, president of the 400-member Manufacturers' Alliance in Arlington, Va., said the attacks struck at the roots of the productivity

Re: Fw: [ASDnet] Wolin v. Hitchens

2001-09-22 Thread Michael Perelman
apropos of what? On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 09:15:34AM -0700, Michael Pugliese wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:07 AM Subject: RE: [ASDnet] Wolin v. Hitchens There must be two Christopher Hitchens,

Re: Re: deja vu all over again

2001-09-22 Thread Michael Pugliese
Check the Johnson's Russia List archives at CDI. Kagarlitsky did write a piece alleging the FSB did bomb one of the apt. bldgs. in Moscow. Michael Pugliese - Original Message - From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:34 AM

Re: Re: Fw: [ASDnet] Wolin v. Hitchens

2001-09-22 Thread Michael Pugliese
Didn't I send that Wolin rant last night to the list? Just to show y'all that Leo can make distinctions, too.He can hate Chomsky but, see that the Hitch is closer to his p.o.v. Michael Pugliese - Original Message - From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

A Bailout for the People

2001-09-22 Thread Ken Hanly
The Philadelphia Inquirer September 21, 2001 A Bailout for the People by Richard B. DuBoff In possibly the worst debasement of public discourse in recent years - no mean feat - George W. Bush stated last fall, and repeats as President, that when you look at taxes or the government

Planet saying no to US retaliation strategy

2001-09-22 Thread Ian Murray
http://www.gallup-international.com/terrorismpoll_figures.htm

Re: A Bailout for the People

2001-09-22 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Ken Hanly [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Philadelphia Inquirer September 21, 2001 A Bailout for the People by Richard B. DuBoff More of this type of stuff is exactly what's needed in the current struggle of/for public opinion.. Ian

Re: Re: Re: Fw: [ASDnet] Wolin v. Hitchens

2001-09-22 Thread Michael Perelman
Leo has not been here for a while. All that personal stuff does not belong here. On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 10:01:38AM -0700, Michael Pugliese wrote: Didn't I send that Wolin rant last night to the list? Just to show y'all that Leo can make distinctions, too.He can hate Chomsky but, see

Saudis Balking at Request to Use Base

2001-09-22 Thread Ken Hanly
This is from the Gulf States Newsletter but is based mostly upon material from the Washington Post. Cheers, Ken Hanly Saudis Resisting U.S. Use Of New Command Centre, Washington Post Reports - Posted Saturday, September 22, 2001 by Various Saudi Arabia is resisting a request to use the U.S.

Re: Saudis Balking at Request to Use Base

2001-09-22 Thread Michael Perelman
I just heard my tape of Doug's interview of Tariq Ali, who was emphasizing that the Saudi state is already fragile and the war can throw it into turmoil. If the war were just bombing the Afgan's, perhaps we could kill a few thousand, declare victory, and leave. I think that Bush's demand that

Re: Re: Garbanzos for peace!

2001-09-22 Thread phillp2
When western Canada was first surveyed by Europeans for settlement, the surveyor, Captain Palliser, deemed the northern extension of the great American desert not fit for settlement. This area is still known as Palliser's Triangle and is the area currently hit by drought. (This does not

Re: Re: Saudis Balking at Request to Use Base

2001-09-22 Thread Michael Pugliese
PerelmanI don't know how much discontent there is in Pakistan... http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-worldtrade-pakistan.story Copyright © 2001, Newsday, Inc. - Original Message - From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 22,

BBC News SOUTH ASIA Pakistan protests turn violent

2001-09-22 Thread Michael Pugliese
http://www.antiwar.com/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1555000/1555688.stm

Anti-war movement

2001-09-22 Thread Karl Carlile
Workers must join together in opposition to the imperialist war that is being waged against the working class. Although the pretext for this war is the terrorist attack in Manhattan and Washington the campaign being mounted by the Bush administration is ultimately a campaign against the working

Re: Anti-war movement

2001-09-22 Thread phillp2
of the Bush cabal has led to rises in the price of oil which will further eat into the living standards of struggling workers around the world. The declared war will lead to deaths and injury of workers. It will also lead to further economic hardship and pain. I have a student who wants to

Re: Re: Re: Garbanzos for peace!

2001-09-22 Thread Ken Hanly
The triangle does include part of Manitoba. As noted it often accounts for over half of Canada's agricultural production. Maybe some parts should be returned to grazing land but grazing also produces problems. There may very well be even greater difficulties in this area because of global warming

the democratic transition in Iraq

2001-09-22 Thread Ian Murray
[from Thomas the gov website for fishin' through legislation..] H.R.2506 Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 2002 (Reported in the Senate) -- -- IRAQ SEC. 566.

Nixon to Bush

2001-09-22 Thread Ian Murray
The Bush Administration should seize the opportunity to make sure that the tragedy in Vietnam is not repeated in Afghanistan. from Thomas again. ALARMING DETAILS REGARDING AFGHANISTAN -- (BY RICHARD M. NIXON) (Extension of Remarks - February 07, 1990) [Page: E215] --- HON. DON RITTER

the Silk Road strategy

2001-09-22 Thread Ian Murray
[..Thomas, againDoug, the check's in the mail :-) ] THE SILK ROAD STRATEGY ACT OF 1997, H.R. 2867 -- HON. BENJAMIN A. GILMAN (Extension of Remarks - November 08, 1997) -- -- [Page: E2240] GPO's PDF --- HON.

Re: Chomsky must apologize

2001-09-22 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Steve says: I read Chomsky as stating that the perpetrators of this crime were at one point funded by the CIA and that that is what makes it necesary to then analyze the relationship between US foreign policy and this incident. If the perpetrators turn out to have been indeed associated with

Insider trading?

2001-09-22 Thread Ian Murray
[this is one of the more intriguing rumors] Terror chiefs plunder stock market John Hooper in Berlin Sunday September 23, 2001 The Observer The terrorist overlords who plotted the attacks on New York and Washington appear to have made a massive financial profit out of the resulting

Hey, watch out for the 10 million mines

2001-09-22 Thread Ian Murray
Revealed: British plan for Afghan onslaught Bin Laden 'hiding in terror camp' Allied warships steam to Gulf, Spy plane downed War on terrorism - Observer special Guardian Unlimited special: terrorism crisis Kamal Ahmed in London, Peter Beaumont in Washington and Ed Vulliamy in New York Sunday

Anti-Realism?

2001-09-22 Thread Ian Murray
Beyond bin Laden The future of Afghanistan itself should lie at the root of Western political thinking War on terrorism - Observer special Guardian Unlimited special: terrorism crisis Special report: Afghanistan Fred Halliday Sunday September 23, 2001 The Observer Events of the past week

Poll on Canadian support for US war against terrorism

2001-09-22 Thread Ken Hanly
This is from the Globe and Mail. The NDP has not been critical of Chretien for being slow to attack it is the Alliance and Conservatives both right-wing parties. Cheers, Ken Hanly POSTED AT 11:21 AM EDTSaturday, September 22 Poll shows Canadians unwilling to put civilians at risk

Re: Anti-Realism?

2001-09-22 Thread Michael Perelman
Has anyone compiled a history of the government use of murderous gangs? I know that the mob has been used in Europe after WW II. How common is the practice? Ian Murray wrote: the West has bequeathed a bevy of murderous gangs, from Unita in Angola to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan. --

Guardian Poll

2001-09-22 Thread Ken Hanly
Here are a couple of extracts from a poll in the UK. Full poll at: http://www.observer.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,556456,00.html Cheers, Ken Hanly Do you agree or disagree with the view that, in the past, the United States has been far too arrogant and selfish in the way it has treated the

Arab/Arab American Passengers Kicked off Flights

2001-09-22 Thread Stephen E Philion
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/22/national/22PASS.html Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Social Sciences Bldg. # 247 Honolulu, HI 96822