Re: CPANifying our test framework - or parts of it

=> array( hash => { field structure_id => match qr{^ (? STRUCT \d+ ) $}x; field type => 'dolmen', field material => 'concrete', } } -- Andy Lester => www.petdance.com

Re: Test2::Tools::Compare is vs. like

the sub should return a boolean value.”) would be good, too. I’d be glad to write the docs if I knew the answers to the questions and the zen of what to use when. As a newbie to Test2, I’d really like to start using it as much as possible, but I’m also afraid of screwing up existing tests b

Test2::Tools::Compare is vs. like

docs that explains the differences between the two. Anyone else have troubles with these two functions? Or other gotchas where new features aren’t what people switching from Test::More might expect? Andy -- Andy Lester => www.petdance.com

Re: Writing our own modules in Test2

obscures the meaning. I don’t like the name bool_eq() (“booleans are equal”) but it was the best I could come up with. -- Andy Lester => www.petdance.com

Re: Writing our own modules in Test2

n add-on distribution to Test2::Suite. I think that will help future Test2::Tools writers. So those are my high-level thoughts. -- Andy Lester => www.petdance.com

Re: Writing our own modules in Test2

m stand as an example of a standalone third party module. -- Andy Lester => www.petdance.com

Writing our own modules in Test2

have an FAQ started for things like this? If not, I assume it would be good to start one, and if so, then where should I start it? -- Andy Lester => www.petdance.com

Re: interest in converting LWP / Mech hierarchy to roles?

and some convenience functions. -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: interest in converting LWP / Mech hierarchy to roles?

. xoa -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Launch of site and sign ups

On Jan 18, 2013, at 5:08 AM, Mark Keating m.keat...@shadowcat.co.uk wrote: The hackathon site is up, we are looking for sponsors and attendees. What made you put it up at a new domain, rather than qa.perl.org? I was surprised. xoa -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.petdance.com

Re: Launch of site and sign ups

. There was no point. I wasn't debating. It was a question, asking for information. xoa -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Testing Output and Functionality

::Output. http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-Output/ xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Revert use_ok() change to allow lexical effects?

So is there ANY legit use for use_ok()? xoa -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Revert use_ok() change to allow lexical effects?

use App::Ack; use App::Ack::Repository; use App::Ack::Resource; use File::Next; diag( Testing App::Ack $App::Ack::VERSION, File::Next $File::Next::VERSION, Perl $], $^X ); Agreed? xoa -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Revert use_ok() change to allow lexical effects?

author, I would not require a user to install AutoBailout.pm just to remove boilerplate in my t/00-load.t But that's just me. xoa -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Revert use_ok() change to allow lexical effects?

on their system. test_requires is Module::Build only, right? I don't use Module::Build. Even if I did, I don't think I'd require the user to go through a download and temporary build of AutoBailout.pm just to remove boilerplate. xoa -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.petdance.com

Re: Revert use_ok() change to allow lexical effects?

to provide a counter viewpoint from a potential customer. I don't want to have another module prereq. I'd probably just do the cut paste into my t/00-load.t. Carry on! xoa -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Revert use_ok() change to allow lexical effects?

if it fails. But then we might as well not wrap our use in use_ok(). Is there a case when we DO want to use use_ok()? xoa -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Perl QA Hackathon: What was accomplished?

On Apr 6, 2012, at 7:46 PM, James E Keenan wrote: Could someone post a summary of what was done/not done at this year's QA hackathon in Paris (http://2012.qa-hackathon.org/qa2012)? I've posted a couple of links on @perlbuzz already. xoa -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com

Re: An --exclude parameter for prove?

saying to just do this workaround. If we always took that approach, then we would never have prove in the first place. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Releasing Test::Harness 3.22

if they could go live. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.theworkinggeek.com = AIM:petdance

prove --ext=.this --ext=.that

, Andy -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.theworkinggeek.com = AIM:petdance

prove --ext=@s

missing makes those I'd convert to prove very sad. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.theworkinggeek.com = AIM:petdance

Re: prove --ext=@s

On Jul 15, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Matt Heusser wrote: Is there a way to do prove -dont-actualy-execute-anything-just-input --file pregeneratedTAPinput.txt ? I just want the summary features. prove --exec=/bin/cat tap.txt -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.theworkinggeek.com

Re: prove --ext=@s

wrote a Test::Harness::PHP for the old 2.x one. But yeah, if this is just a matter of 'ext=s+', then who can make that change and push it out? xoa -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.theworkinggeek.com = AIM:petdance

Re: prove --ext=@s

perl or .phpt under PHP. Basically I've been running: prove --exec='/home/alester/smoke/bin/smoke-dispatch' --ext=.t and it's been just fine. It just never gets called by anything other than only .t or only .phpt in the same run -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com

Re: prove --ext=@s

because now we're passing around an array ref. But I'm working on the guts to handle it all. My concern was not about handling command line arguments, but about all the internals, and what I might break that is some sort of defined API that I don't know about. xoa -- Andy Lester

SourceHandlers

This whole SourceHandler looks much more like the Right Way To Do It. I wish Mr. Armstrong were around for discussion. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.theworkinggeek.com = AIM:petdance

Fwd: CPAN Upload: P/PE/PETDANCE/Test-WWW-Mechanize-1.26.tar.gz

::LongString 0.12. t/put_ok.t now passes, but with a handful of warnings. Help in figuring out why would be appreciated. [INTERNALS] Hoisted common code out of get_ok, post_ok, etc. [DOCUMENTATION] Updated copyright and licensing information. -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com

done_testing() and test counts

like you failed 1 test of 2 run. I guess that it's counting done_testing() as a test in itself, but that doesn't seem to be right. Is that intentional? xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.theworkinggeek.com = AIM:petdance

Re: done_testing() and test counts

no_plan or worked with it. xoa -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.theworkinggeek.com = AIM:petdance

Fwd: Test::Harness::TAP included in the Softpedia Linux software database

. --- Softpedia - the encyclopedia of free software downloads http://www.softpedia.com/ -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.theworkinggeek.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Continuous Integration for Perl

to be no, there's nothing that is general purpose enough for what you want. Maybe something like CruiseControl will do it, I don't know. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.theworkinggeek.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Counting tests, vi vs. emacs, and abortion

, Andy -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Counting tests, vi vs. emacs, and abortion

the two. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Fwd: Non-Perl TAP

with a clear path to the differing item - Has multiple output modes: YAML, msbuild-friendly, terse - Supports testing of internal classes and methods The project home is at http://code.google.com/p/taps-testing. Thanks in advance and thanks for your time. -- cheers, Frank van Dijk -- Andy

Re: Perl 6 and Test.pm's skip() function

and rely on. xoa -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Perl 6 and Test.pm's skip() function

as well. Perhaps I'm being unclear. I do not find either 'no_plan' or 'plan' to be useful in their current state. Yes, but many others do. -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Let us stop rehashing plans

not exaggerating. The horse is dead. Also, Hitler. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Hooray for the new CPAN Testers

The daily email is fantastic. So much easier to read, to see what is good and what isn't, and to ignore what I don't care about (Yes, I know I can turn off specific platforms and distros too) Thanks very much to all of you. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com

Re: Public Humiliation and Kwalitee

the distribution? The chances of that are miniscule * tiny. Most of all, what problem are you trying to solve? I suggest that low- Kwalitee modules on the CPAN pose no problem whatsoever. xoa -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Public Humiliation and Kwalitee (was Re: Tested File-Find-Object-0.1.1 with Class::Accessor not installed)

/hall_of_shame A beautiful point, sir. I kiss you! -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Public Humiliation and Kwalitee (was Re: Tested File-Find-Object-0.1.1 with Class::Accessor not installed)

through? -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: What do you want? (was Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality)

I'd hate to lose those in my email because other people don't want to filter their mail. I'd hate to get spammed because other people don't want to sign up to receive them. xoa -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

. That quality slider is long and multidirectional. xoa -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

, but we're punishing them for not bending to the whims of the CPAN Testers ideals. xoa -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: What do you want? (was Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality)

opinions? -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

mass email about it? Am I the only one looking at this from the point of view of others? xoa -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

-- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: What do you want? (was Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality)

On Sep 5, 2008, at 1:36 PM, David Golden wrote: I will be changing Test::Reporter to stop all author CC'ing which will take effect when/if we convince existing testers to upgrade. Thank you, sir. -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: s/FAIL/welcome basket/

On Sep 5, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Eric Wilhelm wrote: You know, a hello that doesn't start with FAIL! Yes, beautiful. We need to remember that not everyone is a grizzled veteran. -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: s/FAIL/welcome basket/

to follow our monitoring of your code, go here, and if you want messages all the time, you can do such-and-such. -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

. A fail is something that should be fixed, period, regardless of the number of them. According to who? Who's to say what my job as an author is? -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

saying I would like it if... -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

doing and dammit, you should like it! It is a problem of attitude. Who is serving who? Who is the customer? xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: What do you want? (was Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality)

a certain batter of CPAN Testers tests consistently is a badge of honor. I want the Ruby guys go holy shit, I wish we had something like that. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?

On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:55 PM, David Cantrell wrote: Helpful hint: there's a difference between getting your name listed on an obscure web page and a reward. A reward would be something like a bar of chocolate, or a pay rise. Depends on who you are. xoa -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED

I Want to ignore cpan-testers

Can the cpan-testers please get a dedicated list that is not perl-qa? It's frustrating that so much of the perl-qa traffic is about CPAN Testers, a project that I'm not particularly interested in because they are not at all interested in me. Thanks, xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL

Re: I Want to ignore cpan-testers

On Sep 2, 2008, at 3:41 PM, David Cantrell wrote: Can the cpan-testers please get a dedicated list that is not perl-qa? It's called [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's great. So can this all be taken over there, please? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com

Re: I Want to Believe in the CPAN (was Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?)

be something. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: I Want to Believe in the CPAN (was Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?)

as reaching out to the base of users and authors about what CPAN Testers should be, to find out if it's useful. Certainly when I've said I find certain aspects of it unuseful I've been told I was wrong. xoa -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Test::Harness Output Change

On Aug 21, 2008, at 4:36 AM, Ovid wrote: Why? If we want other extensions, stripping them is probably bad. We definitely want other extensions. I have a pending project that relies on running .t and .phpt next to each other. xoa -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com

Re: $builder-start_todo

great I want to use Perl stuff to test my PHP code push a few years ago. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: $builder-start_todo

. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Drizzle colonization

and then they get diffed. No granularity. I'm going to convert them to emit TAP, so we can use Test::Harness and other standard tools to analyze the results. The colonization continues. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: counting usage, not downloads

interested in human commentary. Counts of who uses a given product puts the Britney Spears as the highest quality musical artist. -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: The Definitive CPANTs Summary

does the word user appear. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

relevant than someone who doesn't? Our little echo chamber is not some hallowed hall that indicates programming wisdom. xoa -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: CPAN Ratings and the problem of choice

(e.g. a hook in the cpan client or a nightly/weekly crawl of @INC.) As an aside, all of this is what we're talking about over on rethinking-cpan. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: great search.cpan.org ideas

that I am prepped for OSCON BOFing on it. -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Proposed (optional) kwalitee metric; use re 'taint'

? If CPANTS let us create profiles so we could say I care about this, I don't care about that. To me, the re 'taint' data point is a pretty cool idea, but that's just 'cause I love taint. -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Baffling cluelessness

tested logic, essentially stopped development a long time ago because to quote the founder, Ivan Moore, in a comment to me so few sites are into unit testing enough to care about perfecting their tests. Maybe he can't look beyond Java? xoa -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Changing the focus of the chronic CPAN problem

://groups.google.com/group/rethinking-cpan I welcome your thoughts, discussions, and ideas. Thanks, xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Idea: CPAN Category Reviews

what you're discussing. $picture == @words[0..999]. I think it's far more useful to talk about these human issues first. The technical answers will fall out of the requirements that get created. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Changing the focus of the chronic CPAN problem

the tactical (Let's have reviews) to the strategic (How do we get the proper modules/solutions in the hands of the users that want them.) -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Changing the focus of the chronic CPAN problem

-to-cpan.html xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

cpan-testers in the inbox

http://log.perl.org/2008/02/no-more-email-d.html Well I guess that settles that. :) xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Find all the modules 'use'd in a directory

+);' --output=$1 || sort -u -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Find all the modules 'use'd in a directory

On Feb 7, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Andy Armstrong wrote: ack -h '^use\s+\w+' | perl -pe 's/^use\s+(\w+(?:::\w+)*).*/$1/' | sort -u Great minds think alike, except that you don't need to be doing that Perl stuff. The --output flag for ack is your friend. -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Find all the modules 'use'd in a directory

quux ); My regex will miss those latter two. Mr. Armstrong's regex is safer. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Testing on live systems

A cautionary tale of why we must be very careful doing tests against live systems. http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Ive-Got-The-Monkey-Now.aspx -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: demining

My personal favorite... rats! http://www.apopo.org/ No discussion of minesweeping may omit Minesweeper: The Movie. http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1770138 -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Stateful prove

the idea of basing it on a given seed. I want to be able to know state about the tests that have run, the order they were in, etc, without having to go through prove to generate the sequence for me. -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Stateful prove

. My plan is to record the order in which the tests were most recently run and to be able to use that as the order this time too. That OK? Yes, thank you. -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Providing command-line arguments to tests run via 'prove'

, and we're still working on making a monolithic prove. -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Providing command-line arguments to tests run via 'prove'

-- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Providing command-line arguments to tests run via 'prove'

--testargs http://wakeupandya.com/ xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Providing command-line arguments to tests run via 'prove'

As much as I like the non-quotedness of the -- or --testargs idea, I really think it needs to be --testargs='--foo --bar'. I realize 3.04 is out there right now, but I think that it's not too late to change. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: BackPAN mirror owners: please delete Finance::FuturesQuote

a slow site. I think he means a legal DoS, where armies of bank-payrolled lawyers come in and CD the entire *.cpan.org and *.perl.org infrastructure. -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Deferred Plans

On Nov 20, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Adrian Howard wrote: Then you get an error because you have said that you'll defer the plan, and you didn't. That there is a there's a plan coming later part is what I missed. Now I get it. -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com

Re: Deferred Plans

I guess I'm not seeing why a deferred plan is better than no plan at all. Seems to me the whole point of a plan is that you know up front how many they're gonna be. -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Deferred Plans

would never use a deferred plan. -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Ownership rot in the Phalanx 100 page

On Nov 15, 2007, at 4:52 AM, David Landgren wrote: Andy Lester wrote: I imagine that there are other modules in the same boat. Perhaps a better solution is to avoid the ego points, drop the author link, and just point to http://search.cpan.org/dist/Crypt-SSLeay/ instead. You wanna take

Re: Ownership rot in the Phalanx 100 page

Is there much that needs doing? I am reasonably familiar with Combust. I dunno, look around qa.perl.org and see how long it's been since I've touched it. There's a big page of testing modules that's pretty out- of-date. xoa -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com

Re: Ownership rot in the Phalanx 100 page

I imagine that there are other modules in the same boat. Perhaps a better solution is to avoid the ego points, drop the author link, and just point to http://search.cpan.org/dist/Crypt-SSLeay/ instead. You wanna take care of that maintenance task? My plate is plenty full. -- Andy Lester

SKIP_ALL tests should not get hidden

, Andy -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Test::Harness::Straps is going away

to retroactively remove it from the 2.x series. 3.0 and beyond will not have straps. -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Searching CPAN repositories in a chain

minicpan for the updates every so often. -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: Test::Load, anyone?

On Oct 3, 2007, at 9:27 AM, Ovid wrote: I'm thinking about writing Test::Load (similar to Test::Class::Load). It would be a wrapper around http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/34596. My first thought is that you were talking about load testing. xoa -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Perl 5 Wiki Improvement Drive: Recommended Modules For Testing

id. You can use OpenID, too. -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

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