Just Mu would be an amusing Perlish pun based on Muttsu... Making the
interpretation either Perl "six" or Perl "most undefined".
I like yary's idea too.
Frankly, if Perl had an identity, I would not care about the name. I feel
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cit number. Normally, I'd
recommend Latin, but Perl Sex is probably not where anyone wants to go...
Roku is Japanese, but also the name of a popular device, and thus
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with a change to the way Callable and calling work. I'm not
suggesting that the latter is bad, but it seems to be a patch around a
problem in the former...
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So, you said that the problem arises because NQP does something non-obvious
that results in this error. Can you be clear on what that non-obvious
behavior is? It sounds to me like you're addressing a symptom of a systemic
issue.
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Fair points, all.
I do think, though that if the concern is really with "the 4 cases when nqp
hauls a CALL-ME out of its bowels" then that's what should be addressed...
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Thank you. Silly me, thinking "this is so simple I don't need to run it
through the command-line to test it." :-)
Anway, yeah,
say $_ for reverse lines
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t remember that any {} around code creates a Block in Perl 6, and a Block
is a first-class object. If you ask say to print a Block, it will quite
happily try to do that.
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"for @inputs.map( .prefix:<+> ) {...}"
That's spelled:
"for @inputs>>.Int -> $i { ... }"
You can also use map, but it's slightly clunkier:
"for @inputs.map: .Int -> $i { ... }"
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y(2);
$ perl6 foo.p6
(2 4 6 8 10)
(k m o q)
Cannot resolve caller counter(Int, Rat, Int); none of these signatures
match:
(Int $start, Int $end, :$by = 1)
(Str $start, Str $end, :$by = 1)
in block at foo.p6 line 3
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I don't know Haskell, but isn't flip just:
sub flip() { -> $b, $a, |c { f($a, $b, |c) } }
And then:
perl6 -e 'sub flip() { -> $a, $b, |c { f($b, $a, |c) } }; my = flip
yas(1,2,3)'
213
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Oh, and note that you can pass R'd reductions as if they were normal prefix
ops:
$ perl6 -e 'sub dueet(, *@list) { op @list }; say dueet :<[R-]>,
1..100'
-4850
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>
> $ perl6 -e 'my @
$ perl6 -e 'my @numbers = 1..100; say [-] @numbers; say [R-] @numbers'
-5048
-4850
In general, it's kind of pointless with bare infix ops, as you can just
reverse the arguments, but when reducing or the like, it becomes much more
valuable.
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explain why these all behave so differently, and why we
chose to flatten so aggressively in so many cases, but not in some
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I was listening to the recent IO conversation on p6c, and decided to look at
IO.pm in rakudo. I immediately saw a bit of code that worried me:
try {
?$!PIO.close()
}
$! ?? fail($!) !! Bool::True
Why is that so cumbersome? That seems like one of the most
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Darren Duncan dar...@darrenduncan.netwrote:
Aaron Sherman wrote:
Things that typically precipitate threading in an application:
- Blocking IO
- Event management (often as a crutch to avoid asynchronous code)
- Legitimately parallelizable, intense
I've done quite a lot of concurrent programming over the past 23ish years,
from the implementation of a parallelized version of CLIPS back in the late
80s to many C, Perl, and Python projects involving everything from shared
memory to process pooling to every permutation of hard and soft thread
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Damian Conway dam...@conway.org wrote:
Perhaps we need to think more Perlishly and reframe the entire question.
Not: What threading model do we need?, but: What kinds of non-sequential
programming tasks do we want to make easy...and how would we like to be
}
my $a = 0;
foo($a);
say $a; # 0
Kind of interesting that you can't easily emulate Perl 5's parameter
passing...
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0
$ perl -le 'sub foo { $_[0] = 1 } my $a = 0; foo($a); print $a'
1
You might well be correct about how it's supposed to work, but that's
certainly not the current behavior.
On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 12:06 -0400, Aaron Sherman wrote:
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Jonathan Worthington
jonat
text or data, and that's a gigantic undertaking.
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an incompatible change to Perl's
documentation system, and we'll have a very good reason to do so, I'd
imagine. The right thing to do will be to make sure that we roll it out
carefully and with all due warning.
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^ and $ in TOP ;-)
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On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Patrick R. Michaud pmich...@pobox.comwrote:
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 10:27:50AM -0400, Aaron Sherman wrote:
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Carl Mäsak cma...@gmail.com wrote:
I see this particular thinko a lot, though. Maybe some Perl 6 lint
tool
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Tyler Curtis ekir...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Aaron Sherman a...@ajs.com wrote:
While that's a nifty special case (I'm sure it will surprise me someday,
and
I'll spend a half hour debugging before I remember this mail), it doesn't
obvious uses deprecated.
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be added to :reserved and migrated over time to stand-alone
options after being listed in the release notes for a couple of cycles.
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going on. I feel for him/her. The only
advantage he/she will have is that this is likely to be so common an
error that they'll quickly learn to look for it first when
smart-matching is involved :-/
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On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Timothy S. Nelson wayl...@wayland.id.auwrote:
Hi. I'm wondering if any thought has been given to natural language
processing with Perl 6 grammars.
Yes.
;)
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On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:56 PM, David Green david.gr...@telus.net wrote:
On 2010-07-30, at 4:57 pm, Aaron Sherman wrote:
given False { when True { say True } when False { Say False }
default { say Dairy } }
I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the output to be False.
However
with no newline
So, the right way to search for value types in a list... is highly
questionable right now. ;-)
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on ===. I was about to
say that === should check to see if X.WHICH eqv X, but I think that
would slow things down too much. Setting a max recursion depth, on the
other hand would be simple and fast.
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of these questions for the default range operator on
unadorned, context-less strings. For that case, you must do something that
makes sense for all Unicode codepoints in nearly all contexts.
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its way in the door? Because it resembles the math op? These
don't seem like good reasons.
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On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Dave Whipp d...@dave.whipp.name wrote:
Aaron Sherman wrote:
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Dave Whipp d...@dave.whipp.name
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To squint at this slightly, in the context that we already have 0...1e10
as
a sequence generator, perhaps the semantics
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Dave Whipp d...@dave.whipp.name wrote:
Aaron Sherman wrote:
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Dave Whipp d...@dave.whipp.name
wrote:
To squint at this slightly, in the context that we already have 0...1e10
as
a sequence generator, perhaps the semantics
Sorry I haven't responded for so long... much going on in my world.
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 07:31:14PM -0400, Aaron Sherman wrote:
2) We deny that a range whose LHS is larger than its RHS makes sense,
but
we also don't
tool:
0, { state $i = 1; $^a + $i++ } ... *
That should work, no? Granted, state doesn't seem to work in Rakudo, unless
I'm mis-understanding how to use it, but that's the idea.
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) } ... *
{ $^index ** 2 } ... *
1, { $^a * $^index } ... *
Not changing the syntax of closures seems like a reasonable goal at this
late stage.
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they? I don't
think named-only parameters have an ordering.
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On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 1:28 AM, Aaron Sherman a...@ajs.com wrote:
For reference, this is the relevant section of the spec:
Character positions are incremented within their natural range for any
Unicode range that is deemed to represent the digits 0..9 or that is deemed
to be a complete
[changing the subject because it's now clear we have two different
discussions on our hands. I think we're at or closing in on a consensus for
a .. z, and this discussion is aa .. bb]
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Darren Duncan dar...@darrenduncan.netwrote:
Aaron Sherman wrote:
2) The spec
undefined codepoint).
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OK, there's a lot here and my head is swimming, so let me re-consolidate and
re-state (BTW: thanks Jon, you've really helped me understand, here).
1) The spec is somewhat vague, but the proposal that I made for single
characters is not an unreasonable interpretation of what's there. Thus, we
, because the rules
for any other sort of string that might make sense to a human are absurdly
complex.
As such, I think it suffices to say that, for the most part, .. makes
sense for single-character strings, and to expand from there, rather than
trying to introduce anything more complex.
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determine how many codepoints lie in the full range. This implies that
length 1 strings in ... operations which imply a counting sequence, are
not strictly evaluated lazily, though some laziness may still be employed.
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iterations.
Also true, and I think that's a correct thing.
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in
+multiple signatures with non-identical nominal types, the actual
+lexical variable will declared
will *be* declared?
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On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Jonathan Worthington jonat...@jnthn.netwrote:
Aaron Sherman wrote:
See below for the S06 section I'm referring to.
I'm wondering how we should be reading the description of user-defined
operators. For example, sub infix:(c) doesn't describe
the precedence
be stored in there, that's probably the best way to go, unless someone
proposes another way between now and then.
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into the * namespace. Always use exportation to make
non-standard syntax available to other scopes.
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to ISO 8-1:2009).
Sure, Perl 6 allows you to localize names. In theory, but I'd be very
concerned about anyone who actually wanted to promote the use of such a
thing.
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I should point out that I've had a great deal of coffee. The technical
details of what I've said are reasonable, but read the rest as off-the-cuff
opinion.
It's also true that seeing how Perl 6 would look/work when re-cast in the
grammatical conventions of another human language would be very
.
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On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:26 PM, ajs a...@ajs.com wrote:
Attached, I've included test results, the tests and the patch (both to the
spectest suite and nqp-rx) to support this spec change.
No... no I didn't. Here it is, attached as text.
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for things like sftp, Amazon S3, Google Storage and other remote
storage possibilities? Is there any extant work out there, or should I
just start spit-balling?
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Has anyone begun to consider what kind of filesystem interface we want
for things like sftp, Amazon S3, Google Storage and other remote
storage possibilities? Is there any extant work out there, or should I
just start spit
) »+» 1) ~~ (2,4,4,6) )
I tested these all with Rakudo, and they all currently fail, though I guess
that's not shocking.
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notwithstanding.
My knee-jerk response would be that this is fine the way it is now, but
perhaps adding your suggestion as an alternative syntax could be considered
for 6.0?
Then again, no one cares what I say ;-)
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brief explanation every day. We'll see how long I can keep it
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the
moving target to be too painful. Maybe Perl 6 has slowed down enough that
it's more practical now?
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Aaron Sherman wrote:
I had a hard time even getting basic code working like:
token foo { blah }
if blah ~~ m/foo/ { say blah! }
(See my question to the list, last week)
Right. What works today
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Moritz Lenz mor...@faui2k3.org wrote:
Aaron Sherman wrote:
I had a hard time even getting basic code working like:
token foo { blah }
if blah ~~ m/foo/ { say blah! }
(See my question to the list, last week)
Right. What works today
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be useful in illuminating what I'm describing
above:
http://www.ajs.com/ajswiki/Sand:_Syntax_and_Structure#Identifiers
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will ultimately pay for
it.
Some good reading for recent work:
http://www.math.sci.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/~m-mat/MT/SFMT/
http://eprint.iacr.org/2006/086
http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/oldtcp/tcpseq.html
http://www.avatar.se/python/crng/index.html
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On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:57 AM, David Green david.gr...@telus.net wrote:
I agree that being able to parse data structure would be *extremely* useful.
(I think I posted a suggestion like that at one time, though I didn't
propose any syntax.) There is already a way to parse data --
One of the first things that's becoming obvious to me in playing with
Rakudo's rules is that parsing strings isn't always what I'm going to
want to do. The most common example of wanting to parse data that's
not in string form is the YACC scenario where you want to have a
function produce a stream
Sorry, I accidentally took the thread off-list. Re-posting some of my
comments below:
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Moritz Lenz mor...@faui2k3.org wrote:
Aaron Sherman wrote:
One of the first things that's becoming obvious to me in playing with
Rakudo's rules is that parsing strings isn't
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 9:45 PM, David Green david.gr...@telus.net wrote:
On 2009-Sep-19, at 5:53 am, Solomon Foster wrote:
The one thing that worries me about this is how :by fits into it all.
rakudo: given 1.5 { when 1..2 { say 'between one and two' }; say
'not'; };
rakudo:
Redirecting thread to language because I do agree that this is no longer a
matter of a bug.
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Moritz Lenz via RT
perl6-bugs-follo...@perl.org wrote:
On Thu Sep 17 08:53:59 2009, ajs wrote:
This code behaves as expected, matching 2 or 3 in only one out of the
I'm jumping in on an old conversation because I only just had time to catch
up last night. I have a few questions that I think are probably still
pertinent.
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Damian Conway dam...@conway.org wrote:
Executive summary:
* Pod is now just a set of specialized
I'd really like to be able to assign a class to POD documentation. Here's an
example of why:
class Widget is Bauble
#= A widget is a kind of bauble that can do stuff
{
has $.things; #= a collection of other stuff
#==XXX{
This variable needs to be replaced for political reasons
}
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Let's pick up this old mail before it gets completely warnocked ;-)
For the record, this discussion only applies to scalar implementation
types. For example for Arrays I expect things to work by overriding the
method
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Mark J. Reed markjr...@gmail.com wrote:
The clash between 'log' for 'logarithm' and 'log' for 'write to log
file' is unfortunate, but since you have to define logging parameters
somewhere anyway, I'm OK with having to call that sort of log as a
method on a
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Moritz Lenz mor...@faui2k3.org wrote:
$str.File.e # same, different names
Brainstorming a bit here
Str is a class that describes collections of characters (among some other
typographical constructs, yadda, yadda, Unicode, yadda).
There is a
Sorry, I sent this just to Mark. Wasn't my intention.
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On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Mark J. Reed
Ovid wrote:
The intermediate class solves the problem but it instantly suggests
that we have a new design pattern we have to remember. Basically, if
I can't lexically scope the additional behavior a role offers, I
potentially need to remove the role or use the intermediate class
pattern.
my
@larry[0] wrote:
Log:
P5's s[pat][repl] syntax is dead, now use s[pat] = repl
Wow, I really missed this one! That's a pretty big thing to get my head
around. Are embedded closures in the string handled correctly so that:
s:g[\W] = qq{\\{$/}};
Will do what I seem to be expecting it
The example in S05 under Subpattern numbering isn't quite complex
enough to give the reader a full understanding of the ramifications of
the re-numbering that occurs with alternations, especially with respect
to the combination of capturing and non-capturing subpatterns. I've
written a small
S04 now reads:
==
However, a hash composer may never occur at the end of a line. If the
parser sees anything that looks like a hash composer at the end of
the line, it fails with closing hash curly may not terminate line
or some such.
my $hash = {
1 = { 2 = 3, 4 = 5 }, #
Jonathan Lang wrote:
What if I import two modules, both of which export a 'foo' method?
That's always fine unless they have exactly the same signature. In
general, that's not going to happen because the first parameter is
created from the invocant. Thus:
use HTML4;
use
Aaron Sherman wrote:
Proposal: A sigil followed by [...] is always a composer for that type.
%[...]- Hash. Unicode: ⦃...⦄
@[...]- Array. Unicode: [...]
...
I left out ::, which is probably a mistake. Part of the elegance of
this, IMHO, is that it behaves the same for all
Mark J. Reed wrote:
On 10/5/06, Aaron Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Proposal: A sigil followed by [...] is always a composer for that type.
%[...] - Hash. Unicode: ⦃...⦄
@[...] - Array. Unicode: [...]
? - Seq. Unicode: ⎣...⎤
[...] - Code. Unicode
Aaron Sherman wrote:
(updated based on followup conversations)
Proposal: A sigil followed by [...] is always a composer for that type.
%[...]- Hash.
@[...]- Array.
[...]- Code.
|[...]- Capture. Identical to \(...).
$[...]- Scalar. Like item
Damian Conway wrote:
@bar».foo if $baz;
That brought to mind the question that I've had for some time: how are
exceptions going to work on hyper-operators?
Will they kill the hyperoperation in-progress? e.g. what will $i be:
my $i = 0;
class A { method inci() { die if
Aaron Sherman wrote:
Damian Conway wrote:
@bar».foo if $baz;
That brought to mind the question that I've had for some time: how are
exceptions going to work on hyper-operators?
Will they kill the hyperoperation in-progress? e.g. what will $i be:
Corrected example follows (there were
I'm noodling around with the idea of creating an archive and index of
all of the messages to the mailing list over the years for purposes of
quickly finding all of the messages that have definitive information on
a given topic. Simply searching on Google or through my mail spool just
doesn't
Trey Harris wrote:
I read it as yes, you *can* put strictures on the using code into a
library, though I wouldn't do it and would say that any module that does
so shouldn't be released on CPAN for general use. ...
Hey, I have an idea. Let's write a module that enforces that!
Seriously, I
chromatic wrote:
On Monday 02 October 2006 12:32, Jonathan Lang wrote:
Before we start talking about how such a thing might be implemented,
I'd like to see a solid argument in favor of implementing it at all.
What benefit can be derived by letting a module specify additional
strictures for its
Trey Harris wrote:
In a message dated Fri, 1 Sep 2006, jerry gay writes:
On 9/1/06, Trey Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Paul Seamons writes:
I'm not sure if I have seen this requested or discussed.
This was definitively rejected by Larry in 2002:
Paul Seamons wrote:
Of course, that wasn't exactly what you were asking, but it does present
a practical solution when you want to:
{say $_ for =}.() if $do_read_input;
Which I just verified works fine under current pugs.
Thank you.
Hadn't thought of that. I think that is workable.
Paul Seamons wrote:
It relates to some old problems in the early part of the RFC/Apocalypse
process, and the fact that:
say $_ for 1..10 for 1..10
Was ambiguous. The bottom line was that you needed to define your
parameter name for that to work, and defining a parameter name on a
Jonathan Lang wrote:
I'm not used to programming styles where a programmer intentionally
and explicitly forbids the use of otherwise perfectly legal code. Is
there really a market for this sort of thing?
use strict;
Trey Harris wrote:
In a message dated Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Aaron Sherman writes:
That said, this is a different point, above and I think it's an easy
one to take on.
role A { method x() {...} }
class B { does A; }
does generate an error per If a role merely declares methods without
defining
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