[perl6/specs] 151d79: Revert "Forbid Bare C<\b> in Regexes"

2016-08-26 Thread GitHub
hanged paths: M v6d.pod Log Message: --- Revert "Forbid Bare C<\b> in Regexes" This reverts commit b14828bb01abb7e659b9f1a4d43ba572d3a4f173. Per discussion with pmichaud++, this can be added right now, without waiting for 6.d: https://github.

[perl6/specs] b14828: Forbid Bare C<\b> in Regexes

2016-08-25 Thread GitHub
hanged paths: M v6d.pod Log Message: --- Forbid Bare C<\b> in Regexes Implementation to close RT#128986

Does Perl 6 use $a and $b in sorting?

2015-09-26 Thread Parrot Raiser
Because of the the special significance of $a and $b in Perl 5's sort comparison, I always avoid using the names in examples, lest it set a booby-trap for later. I've noticed "a" and "b' being used in some P6 examples. Are they no longer significant, or are they just a poor choice of identifier?

Re: Does Perl 6 use $a and $b in sorting?

2015-09-26 Thread Tobias Leich
sort accepts something callable with an arity of 2. Subroutines, blocks and pointies will do: say sort { $^a cmp $^b }, 5, 3, 2, 6, 4 OUTPUT«(2 3 4 5 6)␤» say sort { $^left cmp $^right }, 5, 3, 2, 6, 4 OUTPUT«(2 3 4 5 6)␤» say sort -> $a, $b { $a cmp $b }, 5, 3, 2, 6, 4 OUTPUT«(2 3 4

[perl6/specs] 982eda: Prevent some confusion re a b c

2015-08-11 Thread GitHub
) Changed paths: M S04-control.pod Log Message: --- Prevent some confusion re a b c

[perl6/specs] bbb0e9: Clarify lack of special meaning of $a,$b in Perl 6

2015-06-21 Thread GitHub
) Changed paths: M S28-special-names.pod Log Message: --- Clarify lack of special meaning of $a,$b in Perl 6

[perl6/specs] a826b5: [S04,S32] implicit loops expect to be controlled b...

2010-09-07 Thread noreply
Branch: refs/heads/master Home: http://github.com/perl6/specs Commit: a826b588b613ef61471e4d89c6b86d7f3502dcdb http://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/a826b588b613ef61471e4d89c6b86d7f3502dcdb Author: TimToady la...@wall.org Date: 2010-09-06 (Mon, 06 Sep 2010) Changed paths: M

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-08-01 Thread Martin D Kealey
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Darren Duncan wrote: I think that a general solution here is to accept that there may be more than one valid way to sort some types, strings especially, and so operators/routines that do sorting should be customizable in some way so users can pick the behaviour they want.

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-08-01 Thread Darren Duncan
Martin D Kealey wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Darren Duncan wrote: I think that a general solution here is to accept that there may be more than one valid way to sort some types, strings especially, and so operators/routines that do sorting should be customizable in some way so users can pick the

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-08-01 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Martin D Kealey mar...@kurahaupo.gen.nz wrote: In any case I'd much rather prefer that the behaviour be lexically scoped, with either adverbs or pragmata, not with the action-at-a-distance that's caused by tagging something as fundamental as a String. In many

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-30 Thread Brandon S Allbery KF8NH
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 7/29/10 08:15 , Leon Timmermans wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Darren Duncan dar...@darrenduncan.net wrote: $foo ~~ $a..$b :QuuxNationality # just affects this one test I like that $bar = 'hello' :QuuxNationality # applies

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-30 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Aaron Sherman a...@ajs.com wrote: My only strongly held belief, here, is that you should not try to answer any of these questions for the default range operator on unadorned, context-less strings. For that case, you must do something that makes sense for all

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-30 Thread Doug McNutt
Please pardon intrusion by a novice who is anything but object oriented. I consider myself a long time user of perl 5. I love it and it has completely replaced FORTRAN as my compiler of choice. Programming Perl is so dog-eared that I may need a replacement. I joined this list when I thought the

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-30 Thread Aaron Sherman
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com wrote: Please pardon intrusion by a novice who is anything but object oriented. No problem. Sometimes a fresh perspective helps to illuminate things. Skipping ahead... Are you guise sure that the ... and .. operators in

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-30 Thread Jon Lang
Aaron Sherman wrote: In the end, I'm now questioning the difference between a junction and a Range... which is not where I thought this would go. Conceptually, they're closely related. In particular, a range behaves a lot like an any() junction. Some differences: 1. An any() junction always

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-29 Thread Jon Lang
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Brandon S Allbery KF8NH allb...@ece.cmu.edu wrote:  On 7/28/10 8:07 PM, Michael Zedeler wrote: On 2010-07-29 01:39, Jon Lang wrote: Aaron Sherman wrote: In smart-match context, a..b includes aardvark. No one has yet explained to me why that makes sense

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-29 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Darren Duncan dar...@darrenduncan.net wrote: Some possible examples of customization:  $foo ~~ $a..$b :QuuxNationality  # just affects this one test I like that  $bar = 'hello' :QuuxNationality  # applies anywhere the Str value is used What if you compare

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-29 Thread yary
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:15 AM, Leon Timmermans faw...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Darren Duncan dar...@darrenduncan.net wrote: Some possible examples of customization: $foo ~~ $a..$b :QuuxNationality # just affects this one test I like that $bar = 'hello

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-29 Thread Aaron Sherman
is that the most basic approach treats each codepoint as a collection of information and sorts on that information first and then the codepoint number itself. If that's not useful to you, tell Perl what you really wanted. Some possible examples of customization: $foo ~~ $a..$b :QuuxNationality

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Michael Zedeler
On 2010-07-28 06:54, Martin D Kealey wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Michael Zedeler wrote: Writing for ($a .. $b).reverse - $c { ...} may then blow up because it turns out that $b doesn't have a .succ method when coercing to sequence (where the LHS must have an initial value), just like

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Darren Duncan
Michael Zedeler wrote: This is exactly why I keep writing posts about Ranges being defunct as they have been specified now. If we accept the premise that Ranges are supposed to define a kind of linear membership specification between two starting points (as in math), it doesn't make sense that

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Dave Whipp
Michael Zedeler wrote: This is exactly why I keep writing posts about Ranges being defunct as they have been specified now. If we accept the premise that Ranges are supposed to define a kind of linear membership specification between two starting points (as in math), it doesn't make sense

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Jon Lang
of reversibility is moot. No thanks; I'd prefer it if $a..$b have analogous meanings in item and list contexts. As things stand, 10..1 means, in item context, numbers that are greater or equal to ten and less than or equal to one, which is equivalent to nothing; in list context, it means an empty

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Moritz Lenz
Dave Whipp wrote: To squint at this slightly, in the context that we already have 0...1e10 as a sequence generator, perhaps the semantics of iterating a range should be unordered -- that is, for 0..10 - $x { ... } is treated as for (0...10).pick(*) - $x { ... } Sorry, I have

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread yary
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Dave Whipp d...@dave.whipp.name wrote: To squint at this slightly, in the context that we already have 0...1e10 as a sequence generator, perhaps the semantics of iterating a range should be unordered -- that is, for 0..10 - $x { ... } is treated as for

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Moritz Lenz
yary wrote: though would a parallel batch of an anonymous block be more naturally written as all(0...10) - $x { ... } # Spawn 11 threads No, hyper for 0..10 - $x { ... } # spawn as many threads # as the compiler thinks are reasonable I think one (already specced) syntax for the

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread TSa (Thomas Sandlaß)
On Wednesday, 28. July 2010 05:12:52 Michael Zedeler wrote: Writing ($a .. $b).reverse doesn't make any sense if the result were a new Range, since Ranges should then only be used for inclusion tests (so swapping endpoints doesn't have any meaningful interpretation), but applying .reverse

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread yary
Swapping the endpoints could mean swapping inside test to outside test. The only thing that is needed is to swap from to ||: $a .. $b # means $a = $_ $_ = $b if $a $b $b .. $a # means $b = $_ || $_ = $a if $a $b I think that's what not, ! are for!

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Jon Lang
TSa wrote: Swapping the endpoints could mean swapping inside test to outside test. The only thing that is needed is to swap from to ||:   $a .. $b   # means  $a = $_ $_ = $b  if $a $b   $b .. $a   # means  $b = $_ || $_ = $a  if $a $b This is the same sort of discontinuity of meaning

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Mark J. Reed
On Wednesday, July 28, 2010, Jon Lang datawea...@gmail.com wrote: Keep it simple, folks!  There are enough corner cases in Perl 6 as things stand; we don't need to be introducing more of them if we can help it. Can I get an Amen? Amen! -- Mark J. Reed markjr...@gmail.com

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Mark J. Reed
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Chris Fields cjfie...@illinois.edu wrote: On Jul 28, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Mark J. Reed wrote: Can I get an Amen?  Amen! -- Mark J. Reed markjr...@gmail.com +1.  I'm agnostic ; Militant? :) ( http://tinyurl.com/3xjgxnl ) Nothing inherently religious about

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Dave Whipp
Moritz Lenz wrote: Dave Whipp wrote: for 0..10 - $x { ... } is treated as for (0...10).pick(*) - $x { ... } Sorry, I have to ask. Are you serious? Really? Ah, to reply, or not to reply, to rhetorical sarcasm ... In this case, I think I will: Was my specific proposal entirely

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Moritz Lenz
Dave Whipp wrote: Moritz Lenz wrote: Dave Whipp wrote: for 0..10 - $x { ... } is treated as for (0...10).pick(*) - $x { ... } Sorry, I have to ask. Are you serious? Really? Ah, to reply, or not to reply, to rhetorical sarcasm ... In this case, I think I will: No sarcasm

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Dave Whipp
Moritz Lenz wrote: I fear what Perl 6 needs is not to broaden the range of discussion even further, but to narrow it down to the essential points. Personal opinion only. OK, as a completely serious proposal, the semantics of for 0..10 { ... } should be for the compiler to complain sorry,

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Aaron Sherman
that .. must behave totally unlike any other iterator. Getting back to 10..0... The complexity of implementation argument doesn't really hold for me, as: (a..b).list = ab ?? a,*.pred ... b !! a,*.succ ... b Is pretty darned simple and does not require that b implement anything more than it does

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread yary
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Aaron Sherman a...@ajs.com wrote: The more I look at this, the more I think .. and ... are reversed. .. has a very specific and narrow usage (comparing ranges) and ... is probably going to be the most broadly used operator in the language outside of quotes,

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Aaron Sherman a...@ajs.com wrote: The more I look at this, the more I think .. and ... are reversed. .. has a very specific and narrow usage (comparing ranges) and ... is probably going to be the most broadly used operator in the language outside of quotes,

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Darren Duncan
with intervals and ... with generators. The mnemonics make more sense that way. Having .. resemble the math op with the same meaning, intervals, is a good thing. Besides comparing ranges, an interval would also often be used for a membership test, eg $a = $x = $b would alternately be spelled $x ~~ $a..$b

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Darren Duncan
Darren Duncan wrote: Aaron Sherman wrote: The more I look at this, the more I think .. and ... are reversed. snip I would rather that .. stay with intervals and ... with generators. snip Another thing to consider if one is looking at huffmanization is how often the versions that exclude

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Dave Whipp
then every item you pick will have an infinite number of digits/characters. In smart-match context, a..b includes aardvark. It follows that, unless you're filtering/shaping the sequence of generated items, then almost every element (a..b).Seq starts with an infinite number of as. Consistent

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Darren Duncan
Dave Whipp wrote: Similarly (0..1).Seq should most likely return Real numbers No it shouldn't, because the endpoints are integers. If you want Real numbers, then say 0.0 .. 1.0 instead. -- Darren Duncan

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Dave Whipp
Darren Duncan wrote: Dave Whipp wrote: Similarly (0..1).Seq should most likely return Real numbers No it shouldn't, because the endpoints are integers. If you want Real numbers, then say 0.0 .. 1.0 instead. -- Darren Duncan That would be inconsistent. $x ~~ 0..1 means 0 = $x = 1. The fact

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Aaron Sherman
in failure? Sorry, not following. In smart-match context, a..b includes aardvark. No one has yet explained to me why that makes sense. The continued use of ASCII examples, of course, doesn't help. Does a .. b include æther? This is where Germans and Swedes, for example, don't agree, but they're

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Aaron Sherman
in failure? Sorry, not following. In smart-match context, a..b includes aardvark. No one has yet explained to me why that makes sense. The continued use of ASCII examples, of course, doesn't help. Does a .. b include æther? This is where Germans and Swedes, for example, don't agree, but they're

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Jon Lang
Darren Duncan wrote: Does ... also come with the 4 variations of endpoint inclusion/exclusion? If not, then it should, as I'm sure many times one would want to do this, say:  for 0...^$n - {...} You can toggle the inclusion/exclusion of the ending condition by choosing between ... and ...^;

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Jon Lang
Aaron Sherman wrote: In smart-match context, a..b includes aardvark. No one has yet explained to me why that makes sense. The continued use of ASCII examples, of course, doesn't help. Does a .. b include æther? This is where Germans and Swedes, for example, don't agree, but they're all

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Michael Zedeler
problems. If you pick items from an infinite set then every item you pick will have an infinite number of digits/characters. In smart-match context, a..b includes aardvark. It follows that, unless you're filtering/shaping the sequence of generated items, then almost every element (a..b).Seq starts

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Michael Zedeler
On 2010-07-29 01:39, Jon Lang wrote: Aaron Sherman wrote: In smart-match context, a..b includes aardvark. No one has yet explained to me why that makes sense. The continued use of ASCII examples, of course, doesn't help. Does a .. b include æther? This is where Germans and Swedes

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Jon Lang
Michael Zedeler wrote: Jon Lang wrote: This is definitely something for the Unicode crowd to look into.  But whatever solution you come up with, please make it compatible with the notion that aardvark..apple can be used to match any word in the dictionary that comes between those two words.

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Chris Fields
On Jul 28, 2010, at 1:37 PM, Mark J. Reed wrote: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Chris Fields cjfie...@illinois.edu wrote: On Jul 28, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Mark J. Reed wrote: Can I get an Amen? Amen! -- Mark J. Reed markjr...@gmail.com +1. I'm agnostic ; Militant? :) (

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Chris Fields
On Jul 28, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Mark J. Reed wrote: On Wednesday, July 28, 2010, Jon Lang datawea...@gmail.com wrote: Keep it simple, folks! There are enough corner cases in Perl 6 as things stand; we don't need to be introducing more of them if we can help it. Can I get an Amen? Amen! --

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Michael Zedeler
On 2010-07-29 02:19, Jon Lang wrote: Michael Zedeler wrote: Jon Lang wrote: This is definitely something for the Unicode crowd to look into. But whatever solution you come up with, please make it compatible with the notion that aardvark..apple can be used to match any word in the

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Darren Duncan
that abstraction level as value metadata. When you want to be consistent, the behaviour of cmp affects all of the other order-sensitive operations, including any working with intervals. Some possible examples of customization: $foo ~~ $a..$b :QuuxNationality # just affects this one test $bar = 'hello

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-28 Thread Brandon S Allbery KF8NH
On 7/28/10 8:07 PM, Michael Zedeler wrote: On 2010-07-29 01:39, Jon Lang wrote: Aaron Sherman wrote: In smart-match context, a..b includes aardvark. No one has yet explained to me why that makes sense. The continued use of ASCII examples, of course, doesn't help. Does a .. b include æther

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-27 Thread Aaron Sherman
it more obvious than most. That means that Range.reverse has to do something special that iterators in general can't be relied on to do. Does that introduce problems? Not big ones. I can definitely see people who are used to for ($a .. $b).reverse - ... getting confused when for @blah.reverse

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-27 Thread Jon Lang
Aaron Sherman wrote: As a special case, perhaps you can treat ranges as special and not as simple iterators. To be honest, I wasn't thinking about the possibility of such special cases, but about iterators in general. You can't generically reverse lazy constructs without running afoul of the

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-27 Thread Michael Zedeler
On 2010-07-27 23:50, Aaron Sherman wrote: PS: On a really abstract note, requiring that ($a .. $b).reverse be lazy will put new constraints on the right hand side parameter. Previously, it didn't have to have a value of its own, it just had to be comparable to other values. for example

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-26 Thread Nicholas Clark
- $i {...} should *not* be lazy. After all, Perl 5 now implements @b = reverse sort @a by directly sorting in reverse. Note how it's now an ex-reverse: $ perl -MO=Concise -e '@b = reverse sort @a' c @ leave[1 ref] vKP/REFC -(end) 1 0 enter -2 2 ; nextstate(main 1 -e:1) v -3 b 2

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-21 Thread Smylers
Jon Lang writes: Approaching this with the notion firmly in mind that infix:.. is supposed to be used for matching ranges while infix:... should be used to generate series: With series, we want C $LHS ... $RHS to generate a list of items starting with $LHS and ending with $RHS. If $RHS

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-21 Thread Jon Lang
Smylers wrote: Jon Lang writes: Approaching this with the notion firmly in mind that infix:.. is supposed to be used for matching ranges while infix:... should be used to generate series: With series, we want C $LHS ... $RHS to generate a list of items starting with $LHS and ending with

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-21 Thread Mark J. Reed
Ok, I find that surprising (and counter to current Rakudo behavior), but thanks for the correction, and sorry about the misinformation. On Wednesday, July 21, 2010, Larry Wall la...@wall.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:53:27PM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote: : In particular, consider that pi

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-21 Thread Mark J. Reed
Strike the counter to current Rakudo behavior bit; Rakudo is behaving as specified in this instance. I must have been hallucinating. On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Mark J. Reed markjr...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, I find that surprising (and counter to current Rakudo behavior), but thanks for the

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-21 Thread Larry Wall
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 09:23:11AM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote: : Strike the counter to current Rakudo behavior bit; Rakudo is : behaving as specified in this instance. I must have been : hallucinating. Well, except that we both neglected precedence. Since ... is looser than ~~, it must be

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-21 Thread Aaron Sherman
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 1:28 AM, Aaron Sherman a...@ajs.com wrote: For reference, this is the relevant section of the spec: Character positions are incremented within their natural range for any Unicode range that is deemed to represent the digits 0..9 or that is deemed to be a complete

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-21 Thread Darren Duncan
Larry Wall wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:53:27PM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote: : In particular, consider that pi ~~ 0..4 is true, : because pi is within the range; but pi ~~ 0...4 is false, because pi : is not one of the generated elements. Small point here, it's not because pi is fractional:

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-21 Thread Mark J. Reed
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Darren Duncan dar...@darrenduncan.net wrote: Larry Wall wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:53:27PM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote: : In particular, consider that pi ~~ 0..4 is true, :  because pi is within the range; but pi ~~ 0...4 is false, because pi : is not

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-20 Thread Solomon Foster
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Aaron Sherman a...@ajs.com wrote: 2) We deny that a range whose LHS is larger than its RHS makes sense, but we also don't provide an easy way to construct such ranges lazily otherwise. This would be annoying only, but then we have declared that ranges are the

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-20 Thread Jon Lang
Solomon Foster wrote: Ranges haven't been intended to be the right way to construct basic loops for some time now.  That's what the ... series operator is for.    for 1e10 ... 1 - $i {         # whatever    } is lazy by the spec, and in fact is lazy and fully functional in Rakudo.  

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-20 Thread Solomon Foster
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Jon Lang datawea...@gmail.com wrote: Solomon Foster wrote: Ranges haven't been intended to be the right way to construct basic loops for some time now.  That's what the ... series operator is for.    for 1e10 ... 1 - $i {         # whatever    } is lazy

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-20 Thread Aaron Sherman
Side note: you could get around some of the problems, below, but in order to do so, you would have to exhaustively express all of Unicode using the Str builtin module's RANGES constant. In fact, as it is now, it defines ASCII lowercase, but doesn't define Latin lowercase. Presumably because doing

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-20 Thread Jon Lang
Approaching this with the notion firmly in mind that infix:.. is supposed to be used for matching ranges while infix:... should be used to generate series: Aaron Sherman wrote: Walk with me a bit, and let's explore the concept of intuitive character ranges? This was my suggestion, which seems

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-20 Thread Jon Lang
Aaron Sherman wrote: So, what's the intention of the range operator, then? Is it just there to offer backward compatibility with Perl 5? Is it a vestige that should be removed so that we can Huffman ... down to ..? I'm not trying to be difficult, here, I just never knew that ... could

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-20 Thread Jon Lang
Mark J. Reed wrote: Perhaps the syllabic kana could be the integer analogs, and what you get when you iterate over the range using ..., while the modifier kana would not be generated by the series  ア ... ヴ but would be considered in the range  ア .. ヴ?  I wouldn't object to such script-specific

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-20 Thread Mark J. Reed
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Jon Lang datawea...@gmail.com wrote: Mark J. Reed wrote: Perhaps the syllabic kana could be the integer analogs, and what you get when you iterate over the range using ..., while the modifier kana would not be generated by the series  ア ... ヴ but would be

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-20 Thread Aaron Sherman
for me. 3) It seems that there are two competing multi-character approaches and both seem somewhat valid. Should we use a pragma to toggle behavior between A and B: A: aa .. bb contains az B: aa .. bb contains ONLY aa, ab, ba and bb 4) About the ranges I gave as examples, you asked: Which

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-20 Thread Darren Duncan
. 3) It seems that there are two competing multi-character approaches and both seem somewhat valid. Should we use a pragma to toggle behavior between A and B: A: aa .. bb contains az B: aa .. bb contains ONLY aa, ab, ba and bb I would find A to be the only reasonable answer. If you want B's

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-20 Thread Darren Duncan
Darren Duncan wrote: specific, the generic eqv operator, or before etc would have to be Correction, I meant to say cmp, not eqv, here. -- Darren Duncan

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-18 Thread Moritz Lenz
Ruud H.G. van Tol wrote: Aaron Sherman wrote: Having established this range for each correspondingly indexed letter, the range for multi-character strings is defined by a left-significant counting sequence. For example: Ab .. Be defines the ranges: A B and b c d e This results

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-17 Thread Aaron Sherman
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Michael Zedeler mich...@zedeler.dk wrote: What started it all, was the intention to extend the operator, making it possible to evaluate it in list context. Doing so has opened pandoras box, because many (most? all?) solutions are inconsistent with the rule of

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-17 Thread Ruud H.G. van Tol
Aaron Sherman wrote: Having established this range for each correspondingly indexed letter, the range for multi-character strings is defined by a left-significant counting sequence. For example: Ab .. Be defines the ranges: A B and b c d e This results in a counting sequence (with the most

Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-16 Thread Aaron Sherman
with respect to its correspondingly indexed character in the other string the following algorithm is applied to determine the range that they represent (the LHS character is referred to as A, below and the RHS as B) The binary Unicode general category properties of A and B are considered from the set

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-16 Thread yary
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Aaron Sherman a...@ajs.com wrote: For example: Ab .. Be defines the ranges: A B and b c d e This results in a counting sequence (with the most significant character on the left) as follows: Ab Ac Ad Ae Bb Bc Bd Be Currently, Rakudo produces this: Ab

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-16 Thread Carl Mäsak
Aaron (): [...] Many useful results from this suggested change: C .. A = C B A (Rakudo: ) Regardless of the other traits of your proposed semantics, I think permitting reversed ranges such as the one above would be a mistake. Rakudo gives the empty list for ranges whose lhs exceeds (fsvo

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-16 Thread Michael Zedeler
within some very strict definitions (identical Unicode general category, increasing, etc.) So the following: A .. z produces very odd results. I'd like to suggest that we re-define this operator on strings as follows: [cut] Ab .. Be defines the ranges: A B andb c d e This results in a counting

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-16 Thread Jon Lang
Aaron Sherman wrote: Oh bother, I wrote this up last night, but forgot to send it. Here y'all go: I've been testing .. recently, and it seems, in Rakudo, to behave like Perl 5. That is, the magic auto-increment for a .. z works very wonkily, given any range that isn't within some very

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

2010-07-16 Thread Aaron Sherman
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:14 PM, yary not@gmail.com wrote: There is one case where Rakudo's current output makes more sense then your proposal, and that's when the sequence is analogous to a range of numbers in another base, and you don't want to start at the equivalent of '' or end

Synopsis 4: Return type of a ~~ b

2004-08-27 Thread Joe Gottman
I just reread the table of smart matches in Synopsis 4, and I realized that it doesn't say what is returned by a ~~ b. For example, the first line of this table says $_ $xType of Match ImpliedMatching Code

FW: CPAN Upload: B/BR/BRENTDAX/Perl6-Parameters-0.03.tar.gz

2002-08-17 Thread Brent Dax
has entered CPAN as file: $CPAN/authors/id/B/BR/BRENTDAX/Perl6-Parameters-0.03.tar.gz size: 4414 bytes md5: b73bee5737bf35ac3c0e00ebbf8cd3c8

Re: $^a, $^b, and friends

2002-04-06 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Larry Wall wrote in perl.perl6.language : Such a grammar switching routine could operate either over a lexical scope or over the rest of the file. The only restriction is that one module not clobber the grammar of a different module. Basically, we're trying to make the opposite mistake

Re: $^a, $^b, and friends

2002-04-06 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 2:34 PM -0700 4/5/02, Luke Palmer wrote: You can do anything you like if you mess with the parser. Changing the rules for recognizing an identifier would be trivial. Does this refer to messing with the parser... compile time (that is, when Perl compiles, not when Perl is compiled)? Or

Re: $^a, $^b, and friends

2002-04-06 Thread Larry Wall
Rafael Garcia-Suarez writes: : Larry Wall wrote in perl.perl6.language : : : Such a grammar switching routine could operate either over a lexical : scope or over the rest of the file. The only restriction is that : one module not clobber the grammar of a different module. : : Basically,

Re: $^a, $^b, and friends

2002-04-06 Thread Piers Cawley
Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rafael Garcia-Suarez writes: : Larry Wall wrote in perl.perl6.language : : : Such a grammar switching routine could operate either over a lexical : scope or over the rest of the file. The only restriction is that : one module not clobber the

Re: $^a, $^b, and friends

2002-04-06 Thread Larry Wall
Piers Cawley writes: : In a use.perl post not far away I sketched out something like the following: : : module foo is Mixin { : : sub category($category, block) { : block.abstract_syntax_tree.walk_with - $node { : when AST::Method { :

Re: $^a, $^b, and friends

2002-04-06 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Dan Sugalski wrote in perl.perl6.language : Don't forget, we already change parsing rules at compile time. Perl's got three (maybe four) different sets of rules as it is: *) Normal perl *) Regexes *) Double-quoted strings *) Single-quoted strings Adding another, or

Re: $^a, $^b, and friends

2002-04-06 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Larry Wall wrote : It's not clear that the lexer is a separate entity any more. Lexers were originally invented as a way of abstracting out part of the grammar so that it could be done in a separate pass, and to simplify the grammar for the poor overworked parser. Indeed. Another benefit

Re: $^a, $^b, and friends

2002-04-05 Thread Luke Palmer
Just some thoughts in case you assumed people would only us Perl for good. $_='opcpez/xsjuft/qzax/,kvtu/gps/hppe!' ;szaxfsmyb-z,/!a-y !-print;

Re: $^a, $^b, and friends

2002-04-05 Thread Dan Sugalski
? : : It's utf8ical, actually. : : That should be Unicodely, I expect. But strict unicode sorting, or do : we respect the locale? Strict, but doesn't really matter. Nobody sane will use anything other than $^a and $^b. Well Are we allowing non-latin characters in identifiers? There may

Re: $^a, $^b, and friends

2002-04-05 Thread Larry Wall
Dan Sugalski writes: : Strict, but doesn't really matter. Nobody sane will use anything other : than $^a and $^b. : : Well Are we allowing non-latin characters in identifiers? There : may be potential interesting ramifications with those. Kanji : specifically, though I don't have details

Re: $^a, $^b, and friends

2002-04-05 Thread Piers Cawley
Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dan Sugalski writes: : Strict, but doesn't really matter. Nobody sane will use anything other : than $^a and $^b. : : Well Are we allowing non-latin characters in identifiers? There : may be potential interesting ramifications with those. Kanji

Re: $^a, $^b, and friends

2002-04-05 Thread Larry Wall
Piers Cawley writes: : Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : Dan Sugalski writes: : : Strict, but doesn't really matter. Nobody sane will use anything other : : than $^a and $^b. : : : : Well Are we allowing non-latin characters in identifiers? There : : may be potential

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