Re: [Phono-L] Edison Needle-Type 78
The average price for this disc will be about 155.00. It's hard to tell the true condition because the photo is so poor. Sought after group though. Bruce - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:18 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Needle-Type 78 http://www.ebay.com/itm/EDISON-Needle-Type-Electric-78rpm-Lateral-Record-/230854929502 You do not see them very often anymore. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Abandoned Amberola
What's truly sad, among the many things with this show, is the distortion of history. People that may not have ever seen a cylinder machine before is shown this crap-o-phone as something authentic. How hard would it to have been to be accurate? The value!? What are they smoking? I have an authentic Edison dust bunny that lives in my C-250. Now we're talking some money. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Long playing records tone arm weight
I believe this is a counter weight used on the ca. 1931 Victor Long Play records that proved to be a disaster. Possibly used on the rear of the arm? I know there were add on weights used for making the home recorded records but they sat at the front end to increase the weight. My .02 guess. Bruce - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: electr...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 1:10 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Long playing records tone arm weight I have acquired a cast iron, black weight that has a metal plate on it reading Use onle for long playing records. It has a U shaped channel closed at one end and lined with Victor-like orangy tan felt. The outside is roughly U shaped with a slightly curved rear portion. The lower edges are flat and a bit longer in the back than at the sides, with a slant between the two levels. I can e-mail picutres. Any idea who made it and for what brand tone arm? The arm would have to have been no more than 0.75 in diameter and probably had a curved top with flat sides judging from the shape of the weight. Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army /Navy DD
What a super machine that is. I've seen another that had better paint but this one looks like it's really been there. To me this has artifact beauty. The wear and tear is honest and nobody tried to 'touch it up'. It looks like it could suvive sending by UPS too. It wouldn't take much to talk myself into one..I'd 'have' to find a place for it. Bruce M. - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army /Navy DD Here is another really late serial number for an Edison AN. Serial number 3116. Highest I have seen. http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=5098start=0 Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy
I agree with Bill. I've seen four or five A/N on ebay in that time span. I remember the cheapest was 650.00, the others were right at 800.00. One was in very nice cosmetic condition with some paperwork. I almost bid on it myself it was so nice, then came to my senses about 'where' I would put it. Check religiously and one will pop up. Bruce - Original Message - From: Bill Taney b...@taney.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I have seen 4 up for sale in the last 2 years on eBay. They seem to be worth about 800 bucks. Bill Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2011, at 8:47 AM, ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. I've read the Frow book many times, but I was hoping for something more recent and maybe crowd-sourced. How about the second half of my inquiry: How difficult would it be to find one today in fairly good condition, and how much should such an example command in today's market? On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu wrote: Check the Frow book -- he certainly gives production history for the model. PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net [bruce78...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:55 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I am not sure whether those statistics exist anywhere. If anyone would know it would be Author and Edison Historian and expert Ron Dethlefson or possibly the curator of the Edison Historic Site. I have an original Army Navy, and it has serial number 2934, which is one of the highest serial numbers I have encountered for AN Edison phonographs. How many still exist ? I could wager a wild guess and say, maybe less then 100 ? again, just a guess. I am not sure what % survival estimates, phonograph historians place on models where the actual production output is known. Bruce - Original Message - From: ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:33:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy Does anyone have any idea how many Edison Army Navy phonographs were made during World War I, and how many might still exist? How hard would it be to find one in good (preferably original) condition, and what should one expect to pay for one? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] HELP! Edison C-2 magnetic pickup post info
Sometime ago, about the middle of April there was a discussion about the C-1 and C-2 phonographs. Someone posted a potential problem of the diamond point gradually coming out of plane and causing record wear. They said the way the pickup was designed it would be similar to a bent tail spring on a standard Edison disc reproducer. I thought I had saved or printed this post. I have searched high and low throughout the archives for this post and cannot find it. Can anyone or the original poster please point me to that post. I'd be most grateful. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Need sleeves for Edison DD
What is a good source for new sturdy sleeves for Edison DDs? I've been getting them from Bags Unlimited but the DDs are such a tight fit the seams want to open up on the sleeves. I like the poly lined sleeves as they don't snag a potentially loose label, but both are a bit undersized. The paper weight is fine but the fit is not. Thanks Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] AM Transmitter
The very best AM transmitter kit, IMH), is the SStran. web: www.sstran.com i...@sstran.com This is a very easy to build kit and can be bought in a couple of different variations of completion. It works very well on all floors and most of the yard. Bruce Mercer ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Seven now known
I'm sure we all have that kind of thing or two taking up room. Things that look very cool, usually electromagnetic (for me) and are extremely well made, but I don't have a clue as to what it is or does. Scarce and rare but probably worthless. Still, it seems to creep in. After seeing a few episodes of Hoarders it makes me wonder why. :-) uh oh There was a C-1 that emerged at the Stanton auction which Chuck confirmed that as far as he knows, it is number seven. Serial number to come. My case is perfect with the exception of the left pull. Both right and left are carved from a solid block of walnut and there is a chunk missing. I need a master carver and so far have not even come close to the skill set I need. A chainsaw carver won't do. Worse yet, the pulls are glued onto the door panels instead of being screwed on from the back. If anybody knows of a skilled carver I'd be grateful for the information. All of the early electronic machines, to me, are fabulous. It's where the electron and fine woodworking met. There is nothing like rows of large glowing balloon tubes putting forth the sound of a well recorded DD or a similar Victor machine (9-16) and an Orthophonic record. It's the stepping off point from the acoustic period with similarly amazing technology. For years people asked me why I wanted all of that old junk. HA! I think every person on this group knows the answer to that. The days of finding still crated machines may finally be over but hopefully nice examples will still come out of hiding. There's never too much of a good thing. Bruce Mercer - Original Message - From: Barry Kasindorf ba...@barrykasindorf.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 3 Known I agree. But I have a friend who thinks an item is worthless unless he sees it sell for a lot on ebay then gets more interested in it, and will only bid on something unless it is extremely cheap or he knows there are 10 known. I keep arguing with him about this but it doesn't seem to matter. I thought Chuck said 2 more turned up recently, making 9, if he was already counting those then I guess there are 6. But those last 3 or 4 showed up in the last few showed up recently so there is hope. I guess it matters if I was going to try and restore a basket case machine. Unless it is rare it is not worth the bother. But there are things I have that maybe 3 or 4 exist and they are still not worth much or very interesting. -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What is this?
I think it's a reproducer off of a cylinder machine but what is the rest of the hardware? Bruce http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170630438468category=38029_trksid=p5197.c0.m619#ht_500wt_950 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] 3 Known
As I said before, I collect these machines not because there are few known or the $ value. I collect them because they are wonderful machines. Just because I happen to have a relatively rare machine does not make me the type of collector that has to crow about it. I didn't bring up the subject of that thread and posted more as a joke. Apparently I didn't make that clear. I do remember saying that I hope many more C-1s are found. Everybody should be able to enjoy one. It only took me 50 years of constant looking to find one. If there are more than six both myself and Chuck would like to know about them and their serial numbers. Can you provide the serial numbers or names of the owners of those other four (or so) machines? I would be interested, and I know Chuck would be very surprised, meaning they would have had to have turned up in the last couple days. If that is the case he will have a BIG surprise in store. Idle speculation is just that. It's much the same in collecting reproducing pianos or rare radios like a Zenith Stratosphere or old cars like a Packard. The unconfirmed babble is often tainted with a little jealousy, envyor I'm not sure what. Sad. (just the facts ma'am) I do agree with Bill on one point, the C-2 upright is easier to load. On the other hand, the C-1 doesn't have that much wasted space in the cabinet. The top part is taken up by the turntable on the left and the radio tuner chassis on the right. Below are four generous record storage drawers on both sides of the grill cloth which has two oversized speakers stacked vertically in the back with a large power amp sitting on the floor. There is not much dead space. The C-2 has plenty of power but obviously can't match the power of the C-1. Having the turntable area lit helps quite a bit in sitting down the pickup but it's still a bit awkward and is really the only complaint I have with the design. I 'still' want to lift the lid. Bruce Mercer - Original Message - From: bta...@realtick.com b...@taney.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 3 Known I hope someday to own a C-2, I think it is just an amazingly cool machine. The rarity does not really even factor into it at all. The combination pickup for lateral DD, the radio technology, the fact it is the end of an era. I actually like the C-2 better than the C-1 only in that the C-1 is just so big and looks like a phonograph was jammed in as an afterthought making record loading etc kind of awkward, although it certainly is a beautiful piece. Bill On 4/15/11 12:05 PM, Barry Kasindorf ba...@barrykasindorf.com wrote: Like The Edison C-2, I thought it was so rare I would never hope to have one. I have had 3. And Chuck Azzalina had 7 in his basement last time I was there to fix. He started keeping count thinking the number surviving was in the 10's and stopped at 200 or so known. Same with C-1. There were 2 know for the longest time, then 2 more showed up then 1 more now I think there are about 10 or so out there. It isn't how many but how cool they are. C-1 and C-2 are very special machines and would be cool if there were 2000 left. I actually prefer if something I like is common, it means I can afford it :-). Collecting just so you can say you have 1 of only 2 known is what some people collect for but I am not one of them. -Barry On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Bruce, In the case of a machine like yours even if if there are twice as many existing as are currently known it is a very hard to find machine. Steve Steve, I agree completely and hope for collectors interested in these machines that at least a few more will be found. The thing that supports the 'few' is that they were made for only a year (more like 10 months), were very expensive and a good estimate of orginal production numbered about 200 machines. Frow wasn't much help. It seems that somebody at the National Monument could be a scource of desperately needed information regarding that machine and the number mfg.. I bought the machine from Charley H. and in talking with him and at least one other rabid collector, those are the numbers that are known and a good guess as to the number built. Charley told me he had gotten the machine from the original owner in N.J., somebody that had worked for Edison. There were many old pictures, some autographed, all to do with Edison or the Company on the walls, when he got the machine. He thought it to be someone high up in the Company. As far as I'm concerned I hope 100 more turn up sooner than later. It wouldn't affect the value of mine in the least, not to me anyway. Spread the happiness. Very best, Bruce M. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
UH-OH, have I been taken? I was told that my Edison C-1 is one of six known. According to the known serial numbers mine is the latest making it the last (accounted for) Diamond Disc machine. I sincerely hope that is not the case. Bruce - Original Message - From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? My response as to how does he know it's factory was tongue in cheek. When I hear stuff like that or only 3 know to exist I always ask or think who told you that. I remember hearing only three of these phongraphs exist. I smiled and thought well I have one, that makes 4. I didn't say it tho' Mike Oldcranky ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If I collected Gems on a large scale, it would be unusual to have. One dead give away that the paint is not original to the date of manufacture is the lid. Notice the flathead nails on the edges to hold down the glue failure? Near the nails are gouges that were painted after the nailing and in other spots are chips of the same type not painted. It looks to my eye like it was done years ago but still old enough for the lid to have become unglued in a hot attic or damp basement...see mold on cylinder. Or not Bruce M. - Original Message - From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Factory painted or not, I think it looks nice. If I wanted a gem, I would buy it, if the price was right. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] 3 Known
Steve, I agree completely and hope for collectors interested in these machines that at least a few more will be found. The thing that supports the 'few' is that they were made for only a year (more like 10 months), were very expensive and a good estimate of orginal production numbered about 200 machines. Frow wasn't much help. It seems that somebody at the National Monument could be a scource of desperately needed information regarding that machine and the number mfg.. I bought the machine from Charley H. and in talking with him and at least one other rabid collector, those are the numbers that are known and a good guess as to the number built. Charley told me he had gotten the machine from the original owner in N.J., somebody that had worked for Edison. There were many old pictures, some autographed, all to do with Edison or the Company on the walls, when he got the machine. He thought it to be someone high up in the Company. As far as I'm concerned I hope 100 more turn up sooner than later. It wouldn't affect the value of mine in the least, not to me anyway. Spread the happiness. Very best, Bruce M. Memo to Bill Taney: Sorry Bill, too late. I had the case stripped, cut down those stubby feet and had the whole thing bleached almost white. Then I had gladiolas and other fauna and flora painted on...it REALLY stands out against that white. I've had people tell me they've never seen anything quite like it. ;-) - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 3 Known Hello Bruce and list, The amount of phonographs known depends largely on how well we as collectors are willing to communicate with each other and to the researcher. The Triumph G is a good example I believe there were about 6 of these known to exist and then a new one appeared on eBay in the Opera style case with the lid, bottom and columns missing, it was in poor shape. A mahogany one with its horn sold for $8777.00 on eBay years ago, I do not know if this was cataloged or not. Terry Baer has done research which is available on his website, but again he is dependent on collector input and what he sees. I do reproducer research and I am dependent on eBay and those generous collectors that share photos and serial numbers. There are two barriers to sharing, privacy and people not wanting to lowering the value. If you found a warehouse with 100 Victor VI in their packing crates and sold them all at once The 2 minute J in the Frow book, I spoke with the man that discovered it and it was the only one he knew of. I told him about the one I saw on eBay and since then a second one appeared so now I know of 3. I am still trying to find people with model O reproducers with the all brass nickel plated top, over the past 10 years I only found one with a serial number around 3500 but I lost the e-mail when my computer died. These days I get most of my research from eBay. So far I have 92 of the iron and brass O's in my list. At least 8,000 were made so around 1000 should have survived. This is actually the most commonly found O, but since it does not swell it is among the most desirable ones to have. In closing the amount known will give you an idea of the rarity, but as my old cranky friend has pointed out the amount known is a fraction of the ones that actually do exist. Perhaps one day we will learn more. Best regards, Steve UH-OH, have I been taken? I was told that my Edison C-1 is one of six known. According to the known serial numbers mine is the latest making it the last (accounted for) Diamond Disc machine. I sincerely hope that is not the case. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Is this legit ?
Look closely at the elbow. It looks like a PVC plumbing elbow that has been painted black. Also, if I'm not mistaken that is a Western Electric horn that previously had a driver and a red light in the small hole. It was some sort of test equipment for telephone linemen. At first I thought the box was new but looking closely I agree that this is a Magnavox radio battery box as the box is walnut and the patina is perfect. Bruce M - Original Message - From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Is this legit ? I think this is a crapo-franken. I can't believe that this went for nearly $1100?!! all it takes are two idiots who want this thing bad enough. Harvey Kravitz From: bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net To: Phono-L Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 6:28:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: Is this legit ? http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-MagnavoxTable-Top-Victrola-4-A_W0QQitemZ150577724918QQcategoryZ38030QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8041154857892306133 I would have to say, I have really never seen anthing like this before. Is this really legit ? or is it some kind of Frankenphone? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Edison Diamond Disc size
Many years ago I asked Walter Welch what the conical tip size was for the DD. He informed me ot was .0075. I wrote it down inside the back cover of my then new copy of Tinfoil to Stereo. Bruce M. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Jim's C-2s / Spamblocker
Jim, sorry, I cannot get past your spam blocker. - Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Jim, it doesn't sound like the pickup is the issue, although George Epple is the person to contact regarding these early types of horseshoe pickups. It's possible that you have speaker issues that are fixable. The Peerless used a single wound voice coil as opposed to other speaker designs that used thousands of turns of #20 gauge copper wire in the voice coil. The speakers must have absolutely clean and tightened contacts or the work poorly. I rebuilt my R-1, R-2, C-1, and C-2 myself except for the pickup. These were the four radios or combinations that came out in 1928. Later models used a Magnovox speaker of more conventional design (green chassis). I like the Peerless speaker because of the very high quality and the unique but can be troublesome design. The overall chassis builds (copper color) are extremely high quality with the Jr chassis in all but the C-1 which has the Sr chassis. I'm curious to know which model radio you are using to play the pickup through. Since it is an R-1 or R-2 and has the Peerless speaker, I would unplug the radio speaker and plug into the C-2 speaker. Subbing out the speakers will tell you right away if you are having speaker problems. If not, the problem lies in the chassis itself. I'm going to contact you off list to find out more about why or how they do not play well. Once everything IS up to par the set can be fine tuned to get rid of other sound issues by adding proper damping to the amp, speaker, arm, and motorboard. Also, there is a sweet spot in positioning the speaker front to back to eliminate any boom. Properly restored, those C-2s should sound awesome. I use the C-2 as much as I do the C-1 because it's easier to load unless I want the added power of the super amp and two speakers in the C-1. Bruce (btw) the pickup should track at five ounces. - Original Message - From: jim...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Right now my C-2 plays through an Edison radio using the same chassis loudspeaker as the C-2 yes I had the restorer make the filter switchable do not use it on Diamond Discs.Both of my C-2s have been restored but do not play well. Can you all recommend someone who really knows how to work on them? (I have a 3rd, but the restorer kept its chassis which was incomplete I've been uable to get him to return it.)Through the Edison Radio using the C-2 turntable pickup, Diamond Discs sound great! Jim Cartwright IMMORTAL PERFORMANCES, INC Austin's Eclectic Used Record Store Since 1971 1404 West 30th StreetAustin, Texas 78703-1402 USA (512) 478-9954E-mail: jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 17-Mar-2011 2:05:11 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Thanks for that information and the matrix number. Both my C-1 and C-2 have the same speed control knobs. It should be an easy thing to dial back the speed indicator on the marked backplate for those late DD and Needle Cuts to obtain an accurate 78rpm. I notice in the factory manual that they recommended setting it at a comprimise of 79 rpm if primarily playing DD. I doubt the average consumer of the day couldn't tell the difference one way or the other. While on the subject of these machines, I'd like to know if anyone else that has a C-1 or C-2 switches OUT the filter. It vastly overfilters the DD on either machine. I rarely switch it IN. Bruce - Original Message - From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Possibly for new owners of the C-1 and C-2 Edison radio/phonographs, which were capable of playing both lateral and vertical records by just flipping the stylus? -- one less step for new Edison owners to consider? -- And how late are we talking on Diamond Discs being at 78? The Goldman Band discs in the 52630s play at pitch at 80? I have 52650,a Frankie Marvin disc, but I haven't played it in a long time -- might check it -- Philip From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bill Taney [b...@taney.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:33 AM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Why did they record the final diamond disc's at 78RPM? Seems rather odd decision since existing owners
Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols
Thanks for that information and the matrix number. Both my C-1 and C-2 have the same speed control knobs. It should be an easy thing to dial back the speed indicator on the marked backplate for those late DD and Needle Cuts to obtain an accurate 78rpm. I notice in the factory manual that they recommended setting it at a comprimise of 79 rpm if primarily playing DD. I doubt the average consumer of the day couldn't tell the difference one way or the other. While on the subject of these machines, I'd like to know if anyone else that has a C-1 or C-2 switches OUT the filter. It vastly overfilters the DD on either machine. I rarely switch it IN. Bruce - Original Message - From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Possibly for new owners of the C-1 and C-2 Edison radio/phonographs, which were capable of playing both lateral and vertical records by just flipping the stylus? -- one less step for new Edison owners to consider? -- And how late are we talking on Diamond Discs being at 78? The Goldman Band discs in the 52630s play at pitch at 80? I have 52650,a Frankie Marvin disc, but I haven't played it in a long time -- might check it -- Philip From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bill Taney [b...@taney.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:33 AM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Why did they record the final diamond disc's at 78RPM? Seems rather odd decision since existing owners would have to adjust the speed of their machines for these records then adjust back for any of the previous 15 yr + worth of records. Bill From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Reply-To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:22:28 -0400 To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org, phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Hello lucky owners, How do these sound? Has anyone heard them played with the Diamond D? I recently rebuilt one with a new stylus, the diaphragm was still good. Even without the extra weight it sounds better so I assume the final Diamond C with the weight from the same casting as the Diamond D also sounds better. I played an acoustic dub of an electrically recorded DD and there is a difference. Ron, the final DD records were recorded at 78 rpm so what was done when they were dubbed to BA's? Best regards, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Reply to sender mailto:steve_nor...@msn.com?subject=Re%3A%205700%20series%20Blue%20Amberols | Reply to group mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%205700%20series%20Blue%20Amb erols | Reply via web post http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdm9sOWhvBF9TAzk3M zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzM3ODc2BHNlYwNmd HIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg--?act=replymessageNum=37876 | Start a New Topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJldjZkZWxmBF9TAzk3M zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc 3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg-- Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/message/37876;_ylc=X3oDMTM2NDRwYjNv BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzM3ODc2 BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5MgR0cGNJZAMzNzg3Ng-- (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNGg5b21uBF9TAzk3MzU5Nz E0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbW UDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg-- http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZHVkODIxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyM jEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzAwMjgxNzky Switch to: Text-Only mailto:phonolist-traditio...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional , Daily Digest mailto:phonolist-dig...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest € Unsubscribe mailto:phonolist-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe € Terms of Use http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . __,_._,___ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L
Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols
Jim, it doesn't sound like the pickup is the issue, although George Epple is the person to contact regarding these early types of horseshoe pickups. It's possible that you have speaker issues that are fixable. The Peerless used a single wound voice coil as opposed to other speaker designs that used thousands of turns of #20 gauge copper wire in the voice coil. The speakers must have absolutely clean and tightened contacts or the work poorly. I rebuilt my R-1, R-2, C-1, and C-2 myself except for the pickup. These were the four radios or combinations that came out in 1928. Later models used a Magnovox speaker of more conventional design (green chassis). I like the Peerless speaker because of the very high quality and the unique but can be troublesome design. The overall chassis builds (copper color) are extremely high quality with the Jr chassis in all but the C-1 which has the Sr chassis. I'm curious to know which model radio you are using to play the pickup through. Since it is an R-1 or R-2 and has the Peerless speaker, I would unplug the radio speaker and plug into the C-2 speaker. Subbing out the speakers will tell you right away if you are having speaker problems. If not, the problem lies in the chassis itself. I'm going to contact you off list to find out more about why or how they do not play well. Once everything IS up to par the set can be fine tuned to get rid of other sound issues by adding proper damping to the amp, speaker, arm, and motorboard. Also, there is a sweet spot in positioning the speaker front to back to eliminate any boom. Properly restored, those C-2s should sound awesome. I use the C-2 as much as I do the C-1 because it's easier to load unless I want the added power of the super amp and two speakers in the C-1. Bruce (btw) the pickup should track at five ounces. - Original Message - From: jim...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Right now my C-2 plays through an Edison radio using the same chassis loudspeaker as the C-2 yes I had the restorer make the filter switchable do not use it on Diamond Discs.Both of my C-2s have been restored but do not play well. Can you all recommend someone who really knows how to work on them? (I have a 3rd, but the restorer kept its chassis which was incomplete I've been uable to get him to return it.)Through the Edison Radio using the C-2 turntable pickup, Diamond Discs sound great! Jim Cartwright IMMORTAL PERFORMANCES, INC Austin's Eclectic Used Record Store Since 1971 1404 West 30th StreetAustin, Texas 78703-1402 USA (512) 478-9954E-mail: jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 17-Mar-2011 2:05:11 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Thanks for that information and the matrix number. Both my C-1 and C-2 have the same speed control knobs. It should be an easy thing to dial back the speed indicator on the marked backplate for those late DD and Needle Cuts to obtain an accurate 78rpm. I notice in the factory manual that they recommended setting it at a comprimise of 79 rpm if primarily playing DD. I doubt the average consumer of the day couldn't tell the difference one way or the other. While on the subject of these machines, I'd like to know if anyone else that has a C-1 or C-2 switches OUT the filter. It vastly overfilters the DD on either machine. I rarely switch it IN. Bruce - Original Message - From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Possibly for new owners of the C-1 and C-2 Edison radio/phonographs, which were capable of playing both lateral and vertical records by just flipping the stylus? -- one less step for new Edison owners to consider? -- And how late are we talking on Diamond Discs being at 78? The Goldman Band discs in the 52630s play at pitch at 80? I have 52650,a Frankie Marvin disc, but I haven't played it in a long time -- might check it -- Philip From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bill Taney [b...@taney.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:33 AM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Why did they record the final diamond disc's at 78RPM? Seems rather odd decision since existing owners would have to adjust the speed of their machines for these records then adjust back for any of the previous 15 yr + worth of records. Bill From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Reply-To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:22:28 -0400 To: Phono-l phono-l
Re: [Phono-L] Edison connecting tubing?
Most any well stocked player piano shop will have it. What is the I.D.? I probably have 100+ft. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Pictue Discs Are Vinyl?
I was under the impression that vinyl came along some time after picture discs came on the scene. I always thought they were laminated with Durium, the clear surface that coated Hit of the Week records. Bruce M. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Really Vinyl?
I was under the impression that vinyl came along some time after picture discs came on the scene. I always thought they were laminated with Durium, the clear surface that coated Hit of the Week records. Bruce M. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] FOR SALE - Original Victor Mahogany Speartip Horn
I agree John, the horn is quarter-sawn oak. Bruce - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] FOR SALE - Original Victor Mahogany Speartip Horn Are you sure it's not oak?? The grain sure looks like oak. I have seen oak horns that age to a red color. Just wondering. John Robles --- On Tue, 6/22/10, s.l. rexrode seymorep...@hotmail.com wrote: From: s.l. rexrode seymorep...@hotmail.com Subject: [Phono-L] FOR SALE - Original Victor Mahogany Speartip Horn To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2010, 5:42 PM Dear Fellow Phono-Collectors, I have a Mahogany Victor horn for sale. If you are not interested / delete now with my apologies for sending this email to your inbox. For those of you that are interested / here are the details We all know these original wood horns don't come up very often without having to buy the entire phonograph. This one is priced at $950 + shipping. These normally range from $1200 to upwards of $1500 for a pristine example. This one is not without flaws and is priced accordingly for a quick sale to a fortunate collector. This horn is very presentable and would look great on any Victor 4 or 6 machine. Please see pictures (links below). The horn has one major flaw (among other minor blemishes) that has been repaired and it looks fine now. The horn has the original finish and I suspect may have a top-coat of shellac on it. The original Victor Dog decal is all there / the alligator finish makes it look worse in the photos than it is. The horn itself is SOLID. I do not have a horn elbow for it. Shipping: I prefer this horn be packed and shipped by UPS (not me), unless someone wants to pick it up in person. I live in northwestern Pennsylvania about 25 minutes south of Erie, PA. This can only be shipped within the 50 States within the continental U.S. (not Alaska or Hawaii). I would not be surprised if the packing and shipping and insurance charges by UPS approach upwards of $100, depending upon where you live within the United States. However, if packed by UPS, it will be done right and insured. If UPS packing/shipping/insurance is more than $100, I will pay up to $50 additional money to get it safely to you. So, the most this horn would cost anyone would be $1050 to your door. Here are six photos of the horn: http://users.stargate.net/~macclark/phono/VictorHorn1.jpg http://users.stargate.net/~macclark/phono/VictorHorn1.jpg http://users.stargate.net/~macclark/phono/VictorHorn2.jpg http://users.stargate.net/~macclark/phono/VictorHorn3.jpg http://users.stargate.net/~macclark/phono/VictorHorn4.jpg http://users.stargate.net/~macclark/phono/VictorHorn5.jpg http://users.stargate.net/~macclark/phono/VictorHorn6.jpg Please call (or email) me OFF-LIST if interested. Thanks, Lee Lee Rexrode seymorep...@hotmail.com or 814-873-8753 _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] [email/phone needed
Sorry guys, you sent the email to the wrong person on the list. I hope it's not too late for you. Bruce Mercer - Original Message - From: Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [email/phone needed Hi John, I just talked to Brice and he said he should be able to pick it up in Union and drop it off in Sacramento. I will pick it up from Sacramento in early July when I get my stuff. Cost would be about $75. Yes, you usually have to rework the parts after plating. I called the guy that does the horn restorations and he hasn't come to Rose Bowl in the last few months. I talked him into going to PCC next Sunday so I will get your horn to him at that time and back by July RB. -Scott -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 1:22 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [email/phone needed HI Sorry on info on him...but a question. Can you pick up a machine for me at Union? It is an Amberola VIA. It is much quitere than mine, and I am going to assemble a good one out of both machines, then sell the other one as a whole or for parts. Thanks John PS The Victor II parts look great. Had to work on them to get the U tube and tonearm to fit, but it was not much trouble. Thanks again From: Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 8:27:37 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [email/phone needed Hi Everyone, I am trying to find a current phone # or email for a collector by the name of Curtis Nace out of Zionsville, PA. I met him on a trip last year and I will be in the area again in 3 weeks but I can't find his card! If you don't feel comfortable giving out info, please forward my email. The number in the MAPS directory is not in service. Many thanks, -Scott Denise Corbett ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Union wish list
Too late...nice try though Jim. ;-) - Original Message - From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Union wish list No, I meant that it must suck if you DON'T live in the Midwest when you are planning to travel to Union. Jim Sent from my iPad On May 28, 2010, at 1:20 AM, Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com wrote: No, it doesn't suck at all to live in the Midwest. This is where all the bargains are. Bruce - Original Message - From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Union wish list So I'm guessing you don't live in the Midwest? That must suck! Jim Sent from my iPad On May 26, 2010, at 4:19 AM, Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com wrote: Not to blow your mind or burst your bubble, but there are those among us unfortunate enough to have never been to a Union show. I've heard about them for all my adult years, but never had the money when I was available, and never available when I had the money. Maybe this will be the year! -Robert From: jnic...@fuse.net Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 22:43:55 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Union wish list Let's see, this year is the 35th annual Union phonograph show. I've only missed one, so this will be my 34th year! Hard to imagine that there might be collectors who missed the show the previous 34 years! Jim On May 25, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Ken and Brenda Brekke wrote: If you have never been to this phonograph show, I would highly recommend attending. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Union wish list
No, it doesn't suck at all to live in the Midwest. This is where all the bargains are. Bruce - Original Message - From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Union wish list So I'm guessing you don't live in the Midwest? That must suck! Jim Sent from my iPad On May 26, 2010, at 4:19 AM, Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com wrote: Not to blow your mind or burst your bubble, but there are those among us unfortunate enough to have never been to a Union show. I've heard about them for all my adult years, but never had the money when I was available, and never available when I had the money. Maybe this will be the year! -Robert From: jnic...@fuse.net Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 22:43:55 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Union wish list Let's see, this year is the 35th annual Union phonograph show. I've only missed one, so this will be my 34th year! Hard to imagine that there might be collectors who missed the show the previous 34 years! Jim On May 25, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Ken and Brenda Brekke wrote: If you have never been to this phonograph show, I would highly recommend attending. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] FW: Brunswick Phono from thr 800's.....!
The quietness was due to the massive (in size and weight) of the now frozen pot metal tone arm and sound box(es) blocking any motor noise from escaping;-) Plus, in the 1800's, they knew how to make things run quietly. Seriously, they were pretty good motors, some nice cabinets too. Bruce - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] FW: Brunswick Phono from thr 800's.! Wow, and with all those records from the 1800s too!! You better snap it up! Every Brunswick I've come across has had an extremely quite and smooth running motor. Anyone know what their secret was? A special grease formulation? John Robles --- On Wed, 4/14/10, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net Subject: [Phono-L] FW: Brunswick Phono from thr 800's.! To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 7:51 PM --- Original Message - From: Douglas Houston To: phon...@oldcranl.net Sent: 4/14/2010 10:29:13 PM Subject: Brunswick Phono from thr 800's.! Here's a Brunswick console from probably the 19 20's that is worth looking into..? http://flint.craigslist.org/atq/1682269807.html cdh...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Craigslist Rant
One thing I always did do if I couldn't take the machine with me and that was remove everything that would come off. Reproducer, grill, records, crank. Everything.That way the remainder wouldn't be so heavy on the second trip. As Mike said, you know why. Bruce - Original Message - From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Craigslist Rant Years ago a school house Victor appeared in the want-ads for $600. I called the lady, got her address and went right to her house. I said let me see it. I paid her cash and loaded it up. I was there less than 10 minutes and I was gone. You know why. Mike On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com wrote: OK..I've been told by several people, one who could hardly stop laughing, that I am definitely NOT naieve. So I'll chalk it up to good luck. I do think it's a sad state of affairs that a person's word means so little these days. John, glad you ended up with something that took the sting out of this experience. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Craigslist Rant
OK..I've been told by several people, one who could hardly stop laughing, that I am definitely NOT naieve. So I'll chalk it up to good luck. I do think it's a sad state of affairs that a person's word means so little these days. John, glad you ended up with something that took the sting out of this experience. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Craigslist Rant
I don't know... but I must be one of the biggest fools on this forum. Whatever happened to the integrity of a verbal handshake? There have been a few times where somebody came behind me and offered more, one time a LOT more, (Zenith Stratosphere) but then there was that verbal handshake and people have always been true to their word and followed through. Maybe I'm just lucky or naieve or both. Bruce (still riding *on* the turnip truck:-) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1
Judging from the price paid and looking at what the buyer has previously bought, I would say the Capehart is in good hands. I've seen that WE speaker go for almost 3K. A 41-E changer (not w/L.P.) went for about 1300.00 a couple weeks ago. I bought an identical one for about 300.00 three or four years ago. One of my Capeharts is the 414-N (78's only) and operates smooth as silk, once it's adjusted properly. I did go through a few junk records to get it that way however. With the GE pickup it is extremely kind to some very expensive records I play on it. I reserve the 405-E for just the occaisonal play as it 'is' hard on records because of the weight of the pickup. The 1935 cabinet is more heavily built (if that is possible) and just has a charm of its own. Each machine sounds spectacular. I think the one recently sold was worth every penny considering very few were made that played 33 1/3 albums. I also have to say that is a feature I would not pay a premium for. Maybe, finally the collecting public has awakened from their sleep or lack of knowlege of these wonderful phonographs and save them from gutting and having their parts end up across the Pacific or here, for the almighty $. Bruce - Original Message - From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1 Well, the Capehart sold for $6100.00. I had planned on bidding, but the bids topped 2 grand before I would have bid. I only hope that the buyer treats the set with the affection that the price suggests. I sort of think that it had a little too much publicity in these posts. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Oak Puritan and other stuff
Magh is the misspelled abbreviation of mahogany, that would be my guess. Who or what is Magh? Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Hawaiian Music
Do either of you guys collect Hawaiian on DD? I can round up a bunch of it, even 52000 series. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Hello
Hello Bill and welcome to the best group on the subject. BTWwhat car? I missed what it was but am also afflicted along those lines. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Discs 15
I could not be more opposed to using the Disc Doctor solution containing water! In cleaning DD I use brushes as used in the Disc Doctor and I assure you the alcohol does a far better and safer job than distilled water and their magic ingredient. It dissolves all manner of dirt, nicotine, dust that has sat up for eighty years and anything else I could imagine. Try a white tee shirt before and after...see what does and doesn't come off. Do the same with water and the magic ingredient and see what you get. I find it very hard not to get the edges wet using alcohol. I can't understand why anybody would use water knowing what it does to the core. If you don't believe the bottom of the grooves are really clean using alcohol and the right brush, look at them with a good microscope. If you want to experiment with water and tanna leaves, do so on a junk record, even one that looks clean already. Yes, the edges were coated with wax for protection and the surface was waxed with stearate. We've had this discussion a while back. Bruce - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Discs 15 Hello John, I believe you are totally correct, originally the sides of the record were coated to protect them from moisture absorption. Even the Blue Amberol must be shown the same consideration with regards to protecting it core. Those BA records that were properly stored in a dry environment slip all the way on the mandrel and some I have go so far there is 1/4 inch of mandrel showing. Denatured alcohol would ruin other records, yet it was a cleaner for the 'superior' Edison records. The steel needle vs the diamond, lateral vs vertical, all these things served to underscore the 'Edison superiority'. According to EDAR until in early 1921 the core was changed to China clay from wood flour. Long term or uncontrolled exposure of the core to moisture is what produces the damage. 5 minutes of surface cleaning especially when using the Disc doctors applicator and avoiding getting moisture to the core does much more good than harm. Under the M6B record label type EDAR states that the above. Too bad this book is out of print. Edison records get the sound from the bottom and are best graded in sunlight or a bright light. In bright light the record that appears shiny in normal light will show the dirt, grime and mold of the last 80 years. A proper cleaning removes damaging grit. The only concern I have with using alcohol to clean the records is removal of the crud. When the records were new the alcohol was an effective way of cleaning, now after 80 years of accumulation I wonder if and how the alcohol removes the crud and what procedure should be used. With the Disc Doctor's method his cleaner loosens the crud and distilled water is used to remove it. Please note aside from the facts above that came from EDAR all is my opinion and was stated for the purpose of my learning. Best regards, Steve Ger, I mentioned in my previous post that The surface of the records is a phenolic resin derived from coal tar similar to Bakelite that Edison called Condensite. Phenolic resin is some of the toughest and most chemically-neutral stuff on the planet. I don't think Edison's concern was that a drop of water should ever touch the surface of a record because water is simply not going to react with a phenolic resin in any way. I think the concern really was that water would come in contact with the edges of the record since the core is highly absorbtive wood flour and clay.. I'm not advocating the use of water, merely trying to explain the reasoning for the use of alcohol and why alcohol won't hurt the chemically tough surface of the records. The 'bearing' you oiled on the reproducer is properly called a 'hinge block'. Cylinder reproducers have them, too, in various forms. Where do you live, Ger? Perhaps there is another collector nearby who could come over and walk you througgh this a bit. From: ge...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 03:36:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Discs 15 I have a can of denatured alcohol. It says that it can be used as shellac thinner. Won't that harm the top layer of the records?? I put some light machine oil at the back of the reproducer...didn't realize that it had a bearing. Thanks. Ger - Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Discs 15 NEVER use water on DD. Use denatured alcohol. Even rubbing alcohol has water in it.Also, make sure the reproducer is properly oiled at the rear bearing. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison London Console
Accordin to Frow they were introduced in 1922. They were sold along with the Edisonics and not further mentioned. Not to bore anybody again with this story but I bought one of the London Uprights that had never been uncrated. Fortunately, it had a nice new Edisonic reproducer just waiting for me. ;-) Bruce - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison London Console I believe the paper label on the inside indicates the number of the Edison Cabinet Factory. The London Console came out in the early 1920's, and is a common low priced model from Edison's London Series. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Phonograph for sale
I think it must have been converted to run on gas. The filler hole is where the crank is missing. I love it when they put the grill in upside down Bruce http://providence.craigslist.org/atq/1508218898.html Oh my, I just had to share this one with you. Look what is stored directly behind the machine !! Seems the owner must have some drastic plans for that Edison, if it doesn't SELL !! Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Discs 15
NEVER use water on DD. Use denatured alcohol. Even rubbing alcohol has water in it.Also, make sure the reproducer is properly oiled at the rear bearing. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Waxing DD
DD were waxed starting in about 1920 with stearin. Stearin is a triglyceride and is found in heavy fats, animal and plant, palm oil being one. It is insoluable in water and somewhat soluable in alcohol. It's basically a hardener. I'm guessing it was mixed with alcohol for the DD. Obviously this wouldn't have been done with BA. I have my doubts as to anyone 'seeing' it on a cylinder, if indeed it was ever used on a cylinder. I've opened unopened boxes of DD from the factory and you can tell nothing visually different from a mint copy that's been played and taken care of in a machine. (The use of stearin is discussed in Ron Dethlefson's book, Edison Diamond Discs Re-Creations Record Artists 1910-1929. DIAMON DISC RECORD PRODUCTION. PAGE 151. The only proper thing to clean DD is denatured alcohol as it has almost no water content. As for a light coating after that type of cleaning, I have experimented with different brands. It has a small effect on worn records, taking a very little of the hiss away and hiding grey grooves for the unscrupulous that may want to put lipstick on a pig and put it on ebay. It would be interesting to know the exact procedure used in using stearin, as it was used for a wear retardant. My .02 Bruce M. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Waxing DD
Thanks Rich, I wondered about benzine (naptha) as it was widely used for many years as a solvent. It evaporates quickly as well. My guess is that benzine was used. Ether was even more flammable than benzine or alcohol... or they problably would have been passed out sleeping on the job. Bruce - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Waxing DD In the Blue Amberol book there is a description of the manufacturing process. The last rinse leaves a slight lubricant on the cylinder. It will be all gone by now even if the cylinder being examined is NOS. Stearin is soluable in ether and benzene. Benzine was very popular in years gone by as the solvent of choice for many things. Bruce Mercer wrote: DD were waxed starting in about 1920 with stearin. Stearin is a triglyceride and is found in heavy fats, animal and plant, palm oil being one. It is insoluable in water and somewhat soluable in alcohol. It's basically a hardener. I'm guessing it was mixed with alcohol for the DD. Obviously this wouldn't have been done with BA. I have my doubts as to anyone 'seeing' it on a cylinder, if indeed it was ever used on a cylinder. I've opened unopened boxes of DD from the factory and you can tell nothing visually different from a mint copy that's been played and taken care of in a machine. (The use of stearin is discussed in Ron Dethlefson's book, Edison Diamond Discs Re-Creations Record Artists 1910-1929. DIAMON DISC RECORD PRODUCTION. PAGE 151. The only proper thing to clean DD is denatured alcohol as it has almost no water content. As for a light coating after that type of cleaning, I have experimented with different brands. It has a small effect on worn records, taking a very little of the hiss away and hiding grey grooves for the unscrupulous that may want to put lipstick on a pig and put it on ebay. It would be interesting to know the exact procedure used in using stearin, as it was used for a wear retardant. My .02 Bruce M. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Waxing DD
Fascinating. I appreciate learning something like this from someone who knows. Would you guess, then, that they used benzine as the stearin solvent? Just like everything else these days, what's on the label does not necessarily mean what it did 100 yrs. ago. Benzine now comes in a can (Naptha) printed underneath! - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Waxing DD Ether goes anhydrous real easy and explodes. The benzine of yore is the complete benzine ring. Naphtha is not the complete ring and lacks all of the solvent properties of the old style benzine. It's also slightly less likely to rot your brain. Bruce Mercer wrote: Thanks Rich, I wondered about benzine (naptha) as it was widely used for many years as a solvent. It evaporates quickly as well. My guess is that benzine was used. Ether was even more flammable than benzine or alcohol... or they problably would have been passed out sleeping on the job. Bruce - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Waxing DD In the Blue Amberol book there is a description of the manufacturing process. The last rinse leaves a slight lubricant on the cylinder. It will be all gone by now even if the cylinder being examined is NOS. Stearin is soluable in ether and benzene. Benzine was very popular in years gone by as the solvent of choice for many things. Bruce Mercer wrote: DD were waxed starting in about 1920 with stearin. Stearin is a triglyceride and is found in heavy fats, animal and plant, palm oil being one. It is insoluable in water and somewhat soluable in alcohol. It's basically a hardener. I'm guessing it was mixed with alcohol for the DD. Obviously this wouldn't have been done with BA. I have my doubts as to anyone 'seeing' it on a cylinder, if indeed it was ever used on a cylinder. I've opened unopened boxes of DD from the factory and you can tell nothing visually different from a mint copy that's been played and taken care of in a machine. (The use of stearin is discussed in Ron Dethlefson's book, Edison Diamond Discs Re-Creations Record Artists 1910-1929. DIAMON DISC RECORD PRODUCTION. PAGE 151. The only proper thing to clean DD is denatured alcohol as it has almost no water content. As for a light coating after that type of cleaning, I have experimented with different brands. It has a small effect on worn records, taking a very little of the hiss away and hiding grey grooves for the unscrupulous that may want to put lipstick on a pig and put it on ebay. It would be interesting to know the exact procedure used in using stearin, as it was used for a wear retardant. My .02 Bruce M. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison's A-250 DD
That's interesting to know, thanks. Of course all of the four minute records were recorded at 200 tpi. Still an achievement that early in the game. The 1899 cylinder I speak of was 450 tpi. (I am going to check this out for certainty as that number is from memory) If I'm wrong on that number I will repost the correct tpi. Bruce M In a message dated 10/18/2009 12:59:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maxbu...@wowway.com writes: T.A.s work on microgroove recordings can be noted as early as 1899. (cylinder of course) - Looking at our re-issued Program to the Electric Club (delivered by Ezra Gilliland on May 19, 1888), I see, on p. 9, a reference to 'brown wax' cylinders recorded at 200 tpi. Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
Wow! Thrilling story. The best part is finding the broken corner piece. That would have REALLY made my day. Congratulations, Bruce M. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison's A-250 DD
The microgroove record was Edison's work, not Theodore's. Theodore designed the universal electric magnetic pickup used in the C-1 and C-2 radio/phonograph combinations of 1928. T.A.s work on microgroove recordings can be noted as early as 1899. (cylinder of course) Bruce M. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison S-19-SM - reproducer gaskets
That's what I like about this group, you learn something new about your passion all the time. The earliest reproducer I have is on my C-250, the one with the screwed on stylus plate. This machine is from 1916. It does have cork gaskets so they must have been been replaced very early on. I've had several reproducers with the screw-on plates and they all have had cork. They must have kept the dealers busy retrofitting! Thanks for the info. Bruce Edison switched to cork gaskets around 1924 as he found that cork retains resiliency longer than rubber. (from Ron D) Hello Bruce, You must have only seen the later DD reproducers, from 1912 to 1924 the gaskets are a soft natural rubber that began to harden in as little as six months. I have seen Edison cylinder reproducers with cork gaskets, Edison still did repairs into the 1920's. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison S-19-SM - reproducer gaskets
In the first place gaskets in an Edison DD reproducer were cork not rubber. It is extremely important that the diaphragm is air tight. Also make sure that that that end of the linkage is tight as well. The brown material you see is burnt shellac. That was used to seal the cone to the diaphragm and over the ends of the tiny nut retaining the stylus cord. Using Pvc-E here works fine as there is no shear motion and stays pliable unlike the burnt shellac that is ridgid. The object again is to make it airtight. If you REALLY want to tighten things up, install an O ring of perfect size as the end of the reproducer. I tack mine on with Crazy glue. Now you have an airtight chamber from diaphragm to tip of horn. If you don't believe the O ring (air tightness) makes any difference (air tightness), take it out and compare the difference. Air leakage is very detrimental in an acoustic system. Bruce ps. remove and polish the rear weight bearing with silver polish, and re-oil. This is often overlooked. Assume that all old rubber gaskets need replacement. They are not there to make the diaphragm airtight BUT to act as vibration dampeners. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 154 (real subject: removing excess text)
Thanks Dan, I've been harping about this for years. Bruce - Original Message - From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 154 (real subject: removing excess text) Apparently, people are not removing the previous text, as you have also failed to do, by quoting the entire digest in your reply. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Advice please - holes in cylinder surface
I saved the photo to My Pictures and looked at it extremely blown up. There is a dimple in the bottom of each hole. It looks like it was done with heat and ??? If they were bubbles I don't think the perimeter would be that perfect or have that mark in the bottom of each hole. One hole appears to be 'starting'. They look like BB holes until you look closely and see the dimple in the bottom. You can see a stylus drop above one of them. Bruce and my .02 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Columbia AH
I looked through Tim and George's book, The Talking Machine and found the exact one in question. Page 128 plate 4-5. I'll still take some photos of mine when I get back. Bruce
[Phono-L] Columbia AH
Guys, I will be happy to take some pics but it will be a day or two. I do not know the difference between early and late as I am mainly an Edison collector. I'd be happy to see some photos of one vs. late. It has round turned columns on the corners, ten inch turntable, an oxidized copper handle on one side and a decal...all this from memory. Seems like there is a three digit number scratched on the spring barrell. Paper sticker is on the bottom. The horn is black with a brass bell and the elbow looks gold plated. Someone please send me some pics and I will do the same. Maybe you can tell what it is from the description. Best, Bruce
[Phono-L] Columbia AH ?
Was someone on the group looking for an AH? Somehow the message never made it down to my reader. I have one I bought in the late 60's wrapped in a newspaper dated Dec. 1923. I bought it and the Edison C-19 that replaced it. It had spent all those years in a cedar closet. I displayed it for a while and it's been wrapped and put in another cedar closet ever since. It's pristine. Contact me if interested. Bruce
[Phono-L] Diamond Disc (LABEL)
That's the matrix number. The numbers incised on the playing surface include that number plus the letter A, B or C indicating which take it is. The remaining numbers indicate stampers and mould numbers. Bruce - Original Message - From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:43 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc numbering (LABEL) question What is the number at the BOTTOM of the record label? I know the cat. number is the one with the L R, but I can't recall what the bottom number is. Thanks, Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Edison LC-38 cabinet
Years ago I bought a still crated LU-38 upright. It had a conventional motor board, nothing unusual at all, a 100 sized horn and a nickel plated Edisonic reproducer. I have no idea what hinged access to the motor compartment would have been. Bruce
[Phono-L] Asian Victor
http://cgi.ebay.com/ASIAN-Case-VICTOR-VICTROLA-Oriental-Finish-Very-RARE_W0QQitemZ330173994759QQihZ014QQcategoryZ38030QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Do people really believe this thing is for real? I love Chinoiserie cabinetry but this thing could not be more amateurish. It looks like an ugly 60's attempt, hardly original as stated in the listing. The nickel hardware is a real plus too not to mention the battleship grey interior. We all know how the inside deteriorates so much more quickly on most phonographs than do the exteriors, the reason given for the paint job by the previous owner. I hope the buyer contacts me, I have some lovely waterfront property to sell. Bruce From esrobe...@hotmail.com Sun Oct 14 02:17:15 2007 From: esrobe...@hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Sun Oct 14 02:18:37 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Asian Victor References: 000a01c80e1d$41465d30$b3a7b...@vaio Message-ID: bay123-dav75f825065ac5edce68332aa...@phx.gbl The kind of people who bid on crapophones think this is real. What a horrid, amateurish paint job. It's an embarrassment. At least he made REAL sure the new felt stuck to the turntable. - Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@sigecom.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:46 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Asian Victor http://cgi.ebay.com/ASIAN-Case-VICTOR-VICTROLA-Oriental-Finish-Very-RARE_W0QQitemZ330173994759QQihZ014QQcategoryZ38030QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Do people really believe this thing is for real? I love Chinoiserie cabinetry but this thing could not be more amateurish. It looks like an ugly 60's attempt, hardly original as stated in the listing. The nickel hardware is a real plus too not to mention the battleship grey interior. We all know how the inside deteriorates so much more quickly on most phonographs than do the exteriors, the reason given for the paint job by the previous owner. I hope the buyer contacts me, I have some lovely waterfront property to sell. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] DD Metal Finishes
It seems there is some confusion, at least on my part, regarding the finishes on DD reproducers and horn necks, etc. Obviously there is no question what is gold or nickel. Oxidized bronze is another question. What the company called oxidized bronze was the finish used up until the very end of production, even used on the C-1 and C-2 combinations. A very early DD finish may also seem to be called oxidized bronze by some. This has a body that is almost black with copper markings, somewhat like tiger markings. Is this what some refer to as oxidized bronze? Was this used on the early A-250 and is this is what's on Andy's machine? Does this color have a name different from oxidized bronze? If I had to come up with a name for it, it would be 'oxidized tiger bronze'. (that's what it looks like to me:-) Thanks in advance for clearing this up for me. Bruce From gpaul2...@aol.com Sat Jun 23 11:11:51 2007 From: gpaul2...@aol.com (gpaul2...@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 23 11:12:54 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] DD Metal Finishes In-Reply-To: 000a01c7b5a9$257abe10$af9bb...@vaio References: 000a01c7b5a9$257abe10$af9bb...@vaio Message-ID: 8c983d91b5e4ddf-1644-d...@webmail-de08.sysops.aol.com Bruce, The Edison catalogs described the finish of the metal parts on the Amberola IA/IB, Idelia, A-150, etc as oxidized bronze. You point out that This has a body that is almost black with copper markings, somewhat like tiger markings. Edison literature called it oxidized bronze, so that's what I have always called it. I have observed collectors refer to gunmetal as oxidized bronze and apply the name to other metal finishes as well. It's no wonder some confusion exists! George Paul AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From pjfra...@alamedanet.net Sat Jun 23 12:02:34 2007 From: pjfra...@alamedanet.net (Peter Fraser) Date: Sat Jun 23 12:05:44 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] the early a-250 References: bae519f8-7d62-4007-a215-4a706ae57...@mac.com Message-ID: 4a4d2598-ff3a-4ec6-91eb-5c0a51870...@alamedanet.net Hi - Well, I heard back from Ron Dethlefson, and enclose his response below. And here are the pictures of Andy's machine, plus some additional oxidozed bronze hardware pix from Bruce Mercer: http://homepage.mac.com/pjfraser/phono/PhotoAlbum233.html the password is pook2e (no quotes). For large-scale versions of the pix, use the slideshow button, or single-click the individual shot in which you're interested. Cheers, Peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net Begin forwarded message: From: ronald dethlefson r2d...@pacbell.net Date: June 23, 2007 9:53:26 AM PDT To: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com Subject: Re: pictures of the early a-250 Nephew, Yes, the stop mechanism shown is the first one. It's the same as on my A-250 #161. I've seen these mechanisms on #158 and #171. They probably were on the first 200 A250s manufactured in late 1912, according to Frow. A250s through #1200 were manufactured by March 1913, again according to Frow. The sound vents in the sides of the cabinets ended about #1200 too. I suspect that the stop mechanism was changed due to some patent issue. So much of the factory documentation was destroyed in the Dec. 1914 fire that the only way to document changes in Model A pnonographs is to look at the machines themselves. At least we now know that the first stop mechanism, was in use into the 1400 range of serial numbers. One other Model A tidbit. I've never seen a Model A 250 numbered lower than #109. This leads me to suspect that serial numbers began with 100. The highest Model A 250 serial number I've ever seen was in the mid-12,000 range of numbers. Regards, Uncle On Jun 22, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Peter Fraser wrote: Early_A_250_levers.jpg Early_A_250_levers Later_A-250_controls.jpg Later_A-250_controls A_250_bedplate_detail.jpg A_250_bedplate_detail -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com
[Phono-L] Kruesi Replica Tinfoil Machines
Can anyone tell me who made the Kruesi replica tinfoil machines, apprx. what year(s) they were made and their cost at that time? I have been told that they were possibly made by Bill Ptacek but there is little I have been able to discover for sure. Hopefully, Rene will be able to shed some light on this subject for myself and others. Thanks in advance. Bruce From back...@yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 17:09:23 2007 From: back...@yahoo.com (Dennis Back) Date: Sat Jun 9 17:10:17 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Kruesi Replica Tinfoil Machines In-Reply-To: 000a01c7aaee$33db31d0$af9bb...@vaio Message-ID: 94258.21807...@web35614.mail.mud.yahoo.com --- Bruce Mercer maxbu...@sigecom.net wrote: Can anyone tell me who made the Kruesi replica tinfoil machines, apprx. what year(s) they were made and their cost at that time? I do know that MIREK STEHLIK (of Canada) reproduced them late 1992/early 1993. The price postpaid was $1,125 plus $30 for delivery in the U.S. The brochure said maximum of 30 to be produced. As for others, like you said, Rene would be the one to chime in. Dennis Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 From appywan...@hotmail.com Sun Jun 10 04:02:18 2007 From: appywan...@hotmail.com (John Maeder) Date: Sun Jun 10 04:04:13 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Kruesi Replica Tinfoil Machines In-Reply-To: 94258.21807...@web35614.mail.mud.yahoo.com Message-ID: bay106-f107de1207cfa74ecf983f0dc...@phx.gbl The late Elmer Jones of the Los Angeles area who was a machinist and collector made some excellent copies in a small run ca. 1980 as well. John M From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Kruesi Replica Tinfoil Machines Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 17:09:23 -0700 (PDT) --- Bruce Mercer maxbu...@sigecom.net wrote: Can anyone tell me who made the Kruesi replica tinfoil machines, apprx. what year(s) they were made and their cost at that time? I do know that MIREK STEHLIK (of Canada) reproduced them late 1992/early 1993. The price postpaid was $1,125 plus $30 for delivery in the U.S. The brochure said maximum of 30 to be produced. As for others, like you said, Rene would be the one to chime in. Dennis Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Correction
Sorry to make a big deal out of nothing but it should have read etc. not ect.. If this wasn't one of my pet peeves I wouldn't have mentioned it. The older I get the more I seem to transpose things. :-) From smsti...@mind.net Tue May 29 13:48:37 2007 From: smsti...@mind.net (Mike Stitt) Date: Tue May 29 13:56:04 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 Message-ID: 465c91a5.2070...@mind.net I fellow called me today looking for an Amberola 30 for his mom's birthday. I told him I would write the list and see if any are for sale. I guess his mom had one growing up. He is located in Oregon. Write me if you have one to sell. I have no $$ interest just trying to help. Mike From victr...@triton.net Tue May 29 16:16:56 2007 From: victr...@triton.net (George) Date: Tue May 29 16:17:28 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 References: 465c91a5.2070...@mind.net Message-ID: 289c01c7a247$744d01d0$7211a...@valuedcb7d4c82 Hi Mike I have one available right now. I tried to email you off list, but it bounced. Please contact me off list for details. George - Original Message - From: Mike Stitt To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 I fellow called me today looking for an Amberola 30 for his mom's birthday. I told him I would write the list and see if any are for sale. I guess his mom had one growing up. He is located in Oregon. Write me if you have one to sell. I have no $$ interest just trying to help. Mike ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.1/822 - Release Date: 5/28/2007 11:40 AM
[Phono-L] Decal
Fortunately for me I have recently learned that I am heir to a fortune in a diamond mine and also tin mines in Bolivia. (some thirty seven million dollars) The transaction to liquify these assets is being carried out for me by an nice man in Indonesia. I have already wired him the $37,000. transaction and attorney fees and should be receiving my windfall any day now. It's nice to know that I won't be having any competion from anybody on this group bidding on the decal. What's a couple thumbtack holes? ;-)
[Phono-L] Opinions Please...
I'd appreciate opinions of anyone here about the new four volume set Edison Diamond Disc Record Labels Discography by Charles Gregory. I ran across this set on Ebay being offered by the author. There is a good deal of work by Ray Wile included in the set. Mr Gregory tells me that 176 libraries in the US and Europe are using the text as a research tool. (IBN 0-9745432-0-9) I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this work and what they think about it. Thanks, Bruce
[Phono-L] Edison's Birthday
Well friends, as I'm sure most of us know Feb. 11 is Edison's birthday. It has become my annual ritual on that day to clean and lubricate all of my machines and to enjoy listening to Lest We Forget and Greetings From The Bunch At Orange. I usually spend the rest of the time set aside to listen to my other favorite recordings and be thankful to have these wonderful aural snapshots into time and the phonographs to play them on. I'm having trouble receiving the postings from the group and have been trying to resolve the issue with my ISP. In the meantime I'm trying to keep somewhat current through the Archives. (thanks Loran for that) In any event, happy listening friends and remember that special day. Best, Bruce
[Phono-L] Edison Long-Play Diamond Disc Machine
Does anyone here have any interest in obtaining an Edison Long-Play machine? There was one incorrectly listed not too log ago on ebay. I didn't know if I should mention it while the auction was going on. I have one and don't need another but thought I would pass the information along just in case somebody had an interest. If so, let me know and I'll supply the details. Bruce
[Phono-L] Electric Victrola Part for Vince
I tried to email you but it came back. We are having a huge problem locally with the worms/viruses so I'm not surprised. Anyway, I'm 90% sure I have the plug you need...it's off of an 8-60. It's at my mother's so it will take a day or two to check. Bruce I need a few items maybe someone can help me out. http://home.comcast.net/~vtm12/cord.jpg I also need a cord for an electric Victrola. The one pictured is what I need (the female end is pictured I need one that matches that). Let me know, Thanks, Vince
[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 2, Issue 219
I can vouch for the quality of the parts at www.wwindups.com. I got a bracket for my Victor 9-16 and it was superb. Bruce
[Phono-L] HMV Lumiere Gramophone
A friend asked my opinion of one of these table top machines. He found one for 1850.00 and wanted to know if that is close to the true value. There was one on ebay in the UK that nobody bid on for 2000.00 plus, opening bid. This type of thing is not my forte and I told him I would see what I could find out about it. (I think it was made in '25 or '26) Thanks Bruce
[Phono-L] Edison Grill Cloth
John, I have emailed you pics of two colors of original DD grill cloth. Let me know if you don't get them. If anyone else needs them, please let me know. I don't have a pic of the dark green I can find at the moment, only dark brown and the light beige/creme or whatever it is. Bruce
[Phono-L] WTD. Edison DD Screw and Washer
Help! I need a screw and the cup washer that is used to hold the wooden trim ring inside many DD machines. There is one on each side of the piece. I need the gun metal color. This is for use in my Edison C-2 radio/phono combination. There are four of these that hold the motor board in place and one screw and washer are missing. I also need a needle cup top (I have the bottom part) and of course I am still looking for original albums to hold the records. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks Bruce
[Phono-L] Diamond Disc Reproducers
Hi, Can anyone tell me if the Edison Diamond C reproducer used in the Amberola models, is made of Pot metal and therefore suffers damage due to the brittle metal ? I believe there were two types of Diamond C, the early one having a nickle coated finish and the later one being finished in black. Were both versions made of the same material (ie) Pot metal. Thanks Richard. P.S. Were there any pot metal parts on the Edison Diamond Disc reproducer ? No, pot metal was never used on any of the disc reproducers. Bruce
[Phono-L] Edison Trim Pieces
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 20:41:31 -0700 From: Jerry DeeDee Blais honestger...@proaxis.com Subject: [Phono-L] (no subject) To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: 3.0.5.32.20050515204131.008be...@proaxis.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Group, Does anyone have a junker oak cabinet for a C-250 or C-19 Diamond Disk? I need two sets of the trim pieces that attach to the corners and are about crank high. I just purchased a really nice example and it's worthy of being complete. Thanks for any help. Happy Collecting, Jerry Blais I have two pieces of the trim I think you are looking for. Not the entire three piece corner. I'll see if I can find what box of junk they are in. Also, I knew of a junk machine a year or so ago it was still there, just down the streetI'll see if it's still there. I'm afraid they will want me to take the whole thing. :-) Bruce
[Phono-L] Victor External Horn Machine Production
What am I missing here? I can't find any Victor external horn machine made after 1920 other than the school machine which ceased in 1925. Scoure: LFTD Bruce
[Phono-L] Credenza Motor/Playback Stylus
A couple quick thoughts: Re: a Credenza motoralthough it has four springs there will only be two spring barrels. Re: diamond tip stylus in an acoustic machineabout the worst thing you could use. These were made for lighweight crystal pickups of the 40's. Bruce
[Phono-L] Anybody have dealings with....
Has anyone here had dealings with Collectors World West located in San Francisco? My emails have come from a friendly fellow, Mr. Dan Choffnes. I have found a phonograph there I would like to purchase but thought it a good idea to always ask a few questions first even though I think everything is fine. Please email me directly as I need to know asap so I know whether or not to commit to it. Many thanks, Bruce Mercer
[Phono-L] Resistor for VE Victor 350
6. Re: Resistor Search (Doug) -- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:22:10 -0400 From: Doug cdh...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Resistor Search To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: 001001c59074$3b3a4dd0$0100a...@doug1 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I assume that this is one of the dropping resistors for the Victor universal motor..right? We'll need to know which resistor it is (most of those installations had a couple of resistors). From that, we can go to the Victor service notes and find out its resistance and wattage rating. You can probably come close on value, or possibly right on the money. But we'll have to know the resistance. The big wire wound resistors are made, and the (very few left) electronic supply houses can get them. That's right Doug, it's for one of the universal motors. Mark sent me a pic of the resistor, he told me that it had four taps but only two were used and looked to have always been that way. It's about six inches long and wirewound as I expected. In the Look for The Dog Book, in the motor service section, it says the resistor was placed in series to drop the voltage to an ideal of 32 volts. Not to exceed 36v. or drop below 30v. (As measured with a DC voltmeter). I'm sure Mouser would have what he needs but I do not know how to determine just what he does need. I'm glad you saw this thread, as I'm sure you do know what would need to be used. He didn't mention any other resistor being in the unit. My experience has been with the induction motors. Hope you can help him out. Bruce ps. I finally got through to him on his email. mfuller...@aol.com
[Phono-L] Edison: Black Artists
Josie Miles is the only one that comes to mind. There are others I think. Bruce - Original Message - From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:00 PM Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 2, Issue 3 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... Today's Topics: 1. African-American recording artists for Edison (Steven Medved) 2. corrected links for African-American recording artists for Edison (Steven Medved) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:12:18 -0500 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] African-American recording artists for Edison To: Phono-l Phono-L@oldcrank.org, phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: bay4-dav13ebeda6af9b995f800f6df6...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, After seeing this advertised as a race record: http://tinyurl.com/6mr7jhttp://tinyurl.com/6mr7j http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6502977883http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6502977883 I realized that the only people I knew of that were African-American recording artists for Edison were Fletcher Henderson and George W. Johnson. Were there any others? I also learned that Black Patti records were named after a Black concert singer, M. Sissieretta Jones, who was known as 'The Black Patti' - though it should be stated that the label had absolutely nothing to do the singer. http://www.bluesbeforesunrise.com/bbssetlist020401.htmlhttp://www.bluesbeforesunrise.com/bbssetlist020401.html http://tinyurl.com/5x6oehttp://tinyurl.com/5x6oe Steve -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:33:02 -0500 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] corrected links for African-American recording artists for Edison To: Phono-l Phono-L@oldcrank.org, phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: bay4-dav242dc1c184763334f0d92f6...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, After seeing this advertised as a race record: http://tinyurl.com/6mr7j http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6502977883 I realized that the only people I knew of that were African-American recording artists for Edison were Fletcher Henderson and George W. Johnson. Were there any others? I also learned that Black Patti records were named after a Black concert singer, M. Sissieretta Jones, who was known as 'The Black Patti' - though it should be stated that the label had absolutely nothing to do the singer. http://www.bluesbeforesunrise.com/bbssetlist020401.html http://tinyurl.com/5x6oe Steve -- ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 2, Issue 3 *
[Phono-L] Sad News
Loran, my sincere condolences to you nd your family. Bruce Mercer
[Phono-L] Edison DD Value Question
I was watching a record on ebay, Doin' the Raccoon by Billy Murray and the 7 Blue Babies. It closed for $725.00. I've seen this record end high before and am just curious to know why it is so high. Of course, the song title is one of the most famous of the period and I have four or five versions of it on different labels. I think one of the Dorsey's was in the 7 Blue Babies, is that it? What am I missing here? Thanks. Bruce
[Phono-L] Welcome Ronnie Johnson
Good to see you here Ronnie. You will like it here...it's a great place to be. Bruce Mercer
[Phono-L] Edison DD Reference
The reference I've used for years is Edison Diamon Discs 50001-52651- 1912-1929 by Fred Karlin, copyright 1972. It's spiral bound with a slick white and black cover of an Edison (paper) label. It has really gotten a workout over the last 30 something years. :-) About 160 pages. Bruce
[Phono-L] Moving Harp from Tx. to CA.
I am using a fellow by the name of Gene Sandberg to move a couple console phonographs and radio from CA. to Indiana. He goes all over the country doing just this. I have not used him before but he is highly recommended by some people whose judgement I trust completely. His phone numbers: home...1-847-922-7056 cell phone...1-818-896-8537 Easiest to reach him on the cel. Bruce
[Phono-L] Resistor Replacement..Maybe..(HELP)
Doug, please help one more time... After your thoughtful reply I emailed the guy the information along with a couple questions. It appears the entire resistor was being used as there was a wire attached to each end. He sent me a photo of it and the thing is green from the wire under the coating so the whole thing looks like toast. When I was looking in the Mouser catalog for the resistors you suggested I remembered I had a large variable resistor that was hooked to one of those universal motors on an old Dictaphone. Same size motor and same viantage, 1924-25. It took me a while to find it but I did come up with it. It's about 5 3/4 long by 2 7/8. It has a slider with a set screw. I put an ohm meter on the two terminals and it goes all the way to about 1500 ohms. It easily adjusted down to the 230 ohms you recommended. The motor it was used with looked to be the same size and had the same type of ball govenor. The motor itself is long gone...like 40 years gone. Do you think this would be an ok substitute? All he would have to do is connect the two wires that went to the other resistor. It is in an air cooled cylindrical cage...you can see the slider and the wire windings. I can send pics. I'm still a little fuzzy how this works. Is it actually connected on one leg of the incoming line voltage, through that reisistor and out to one side of the motor terminal. The other side going directly to the motor? (through a switch) If I set it at 230 ohms and connect it up this way and put a voltmeter where the motor terminals would be, I don't get any drop. It reads the same as coming from the wall. I want to help this guy out but I don't want to harm his motor. He is more electrically challenged than I am. I, and the fellow that owns the machine would really appreciate the help. If this would work I'll send it to him for postage. Best, Bruce
[Phono-L] Edison Tuning Record
It is in the pitch of A 440. Supposed to be used with a pitch pipe. Bruce
[Phono-L] Caruso/Microphone?
I would be very interested in hearing any record Caruso recorded using a microphone! :-) Bruce
[Phono-L] Antique Road Show
Message: 2 Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 17:55:35 -0500 From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Phono on Antique Road Show this week To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: 001501c5370d$eac6d950$6401a...@custom Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original In addition to being not really on with his research on that Art Herzog cabinet with built in horn which Housed the Edison Home, I would think that the appraisers estimated value must have been off the mark as well. Isn't the cabinet shown on Antique Roadshow much rarer then say a full barreled Tiger Oak Herzog Cylinder cabinet? I have seen these sell for over $7000 on Ebay, while the appraiser said that the Herzog and Home combination would bring between 2-3 thousand dollars. Bruce I'm glad you pointed this out, my thoughts exactly. No doubt an offer shortly ensued. This was a most interesting thread and one that certainly opened my eyes regarding the ARS. Bruce (the other one)
[Phono-L] Alligatored finish
Never use steel wool on a softened finish. I first clean the finish with mineral spirits, removing all old dirt wax etc. using a soft bristle brush. Use paper towels so you can see when nothing else is coming off. Let dry. Find a spray bottle that puts out a fine mist spray with no droplets. Spray denatured alcohol to the point of run off but not quite. Work on one section at a time. It helps if the surface is horizontal but not essential after you get the technique. Repeat until the surface has almalgamated. Let dry completely for a few days scuff sand and topcoat. I've done many pianos with heavy finishes this way to preserve the original color that would otherwise be impossible to duplicate. Pre-1925 Victors and Edisons can be done as well. Bruce
[Phono-L] Edison Standard A motor
A friend is looking for an Edison Standard 'A' motor, anyone have one? Thanks Bruce
[Phono-L] Need Coumbia AR elbow
Hello, I'm looking for the elbow that connects the reproducer to the horn in a Columbia AR machine. Does anybody know where a reproduction piece might be found? I'm looking for a fellow collector. Thanks, Bruce Today's Topics: 1. Stanton Auction (Phillip Sands) 2. Re: Stanton Auction (cenfin) 3. Help needed with parts (Ken Brenda Brekke) 4. Victrola IV reproducer question (Daniel Melvin) 5. Fw: Help request for parts. (Ken Brenda Brekke) 6. Re: Victrola IV reproducer question (David Dazer) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:47:24 -0800 (PST) From: Phillip Sands sinatrafang...@yahoo.com Subject: [Phono-L] Stanton Auction To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: 20041129064724.52489.qm...@web52008.mail.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anybody else attend? I was there both days, they went through about 300K of phono related stuff. There was a mahogany record cabinet that fetched $3100. There had to be 200+ machines of every make and model. A couple thousand cylinder records, 100 horns, just tons of stuff. They went full out for 2 days, 7 hours each day. You would recognize me, I was the guy in his late 50's with the grey hair glasses. That describes 75% of the people there. The rest were guys in their 60's-70's with grey hair and glasses. I always tell my wife how glad I am to see her after spending 2 days with 100 smelly old men. She says I fit right in.. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:33:18 -0800 From: cenfin cen...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stanton Auction To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: 000901c4d652$a9380660$6501a...@local Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Any rare or significant items worth noting? Al Menashe - Original Message - From: Phillip Sands sinatrafang...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 10:47 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Stanton Auction Anybody else attend? I was there both days, they went through about 300K of phono related stuff. There was a mahogany record cabinet that fetched $3100. There had to be 200+ machines of every make and model. A couple thousand cylinder records, 100 horns, just tons of stuff. They went full out for 2 days, 7 hours each day. You would recognize me, I was the guy in his late 50's with the grey hair glasses. That describes 75% of the people there. The rest were guys in their 60's-70's with grey hair and glasses. I always tell my wife how glad I am to see her after spending 2 days with 100 smelly old men. She says I fit right in.. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:20:59 -0600 From: Ken Brenda Brekke k...@g2a.net Subject: [Phono-L] Help needed with parts To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: 001b01c4d672$78d72d00$d5c2b...@kbab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello to everyone. I was hoping that someone could help me with some tough parts. I am restoring an early front mount Victor MS. What I am looking for is a tone-arm bracket extension and longer wooden tone-arm so I can use an all brass Victor front mount horn that I have. I know these parts are tough and I am willing to trade ? for them. Any help or leads would be appreciated. Thanks! Ken Brekke -- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:23:23 -0800 From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola IV reproducer question To: phono-L@oldcrank.org Message-ID: 001401c4d694$54f6c9a0$6601a...@danslaptop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I recently bought an early Victrola IV with a metal grill. It has an Victor O reproducer on it. This is the second metal grill machine I know of with an O reproducer. The Victor Data Book and Look For The Dog both say that all Victrola IV machines had an exhibition reproducer. Does anyone know if it would have been normal to find an O reproducer on an early Victrola IV? Thanks Dan -- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:09:22 -0600 From: Ken Brenda Brekke k...@g2a.net Subject: [Phono-L] Fw: Help request for parts. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: 000d01c4d60c$442762c0$ddc2b...@kbab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 - Original Message - From: Ken Brenda Brekke To: phon...@oldcrank.com Sent: Sunday,
[Phono-L] Needle Chuck/Holder
Guys, I don't know if I dreamed this up or if it actually existed. I seem to remember a reproducer on an acoustic phonograph that did not have the regular thumbscrew setup to hold the needle in place. The needle was simply stuck in place. On another forum I frequent an early horseshoe magnetic pickup was being discussed that did not have a set screw to hold the needle. The needle was simply inserted. Can anyone enlighten me as to whether that type of needle assembly existed in the acoustic world of phonographs? Thanks Bruce From loran Sun Mar 14 14:17:30 2004 From: loran (Loran T. Hughes) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:37 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Needle Chuck/Holder In-Reply-To: 000c01c409fe$906e2fe0$1eb2f...@sigecom.net References: 000c01c409fe$906e2fe0$1eb2f...@sigecom.net Message-ID: 1079295398.2573.13.ca...@localhost On Sun, 2004-03-14 at 11:56, Bruce Mercer wrote: Guys, I don't know if I dreamed this up or if it actually existed. I seem to remember a reproducer on an acoustic phonograph that did not have the regular thumbscrew setup to hold the needle in place. The needle was simply stuck in place. On another forum I frequent an early horseshoe magnetic pickup was being discussed that did not have a set screw to hold the needle. The needle was simply inserted. Can anyone enlighten me as to whether that type of needle assembly existed in the acoustic world of phonographs? Thanks Bruce Spring loaded clips maybe? Loran
[Phono-L] Re: A-250 Dividers
The dividers are unfinished and sunstained poplar. Bruce Mercer
[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 3, Issue 222
From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: bay123-dav1fa4afe06128107d4e91daa...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Great points, all. Know your customer base. Aside from the Happiness Boys, Dalhart and Rachmaninoff, what major stars recorded regularly for Edison? All the titles I ever see aren't by artists I'd call major stars of the era. r. Did you ever hear of the Golden Gate Orchestra or checked to see who the personnel was on those records? I don't see the Happines Boys, Dalhart or even Rachmaninoff commanding the prices these records are bringing on a regular basis. Also, let's not forget the Rolfe 52000 series either, and maybe the Georgia Melodians thrown in for good measure. I have the Rachmaninoff discs but I wouldn't walk across the room for free a stack of NOS records of the afore mentioned stars. Bruce
[Phono-L] Edison Recording Personnel (Stars)
- Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@sigecom.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 3, Issue 222 From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: bay123-dav1fa4afe06128107d4e91daa...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Great points, all. Know your customer base. Aside from the Happiness Boys, Dalhart and Rachmaninoff, what major stars recorded regularly for Edison? All the titles I ever see aren't by artists I'd call major stars of the era. r. Did you ever hear of the Golden Gate Orchestra or checked to see who the personnel was on those records? I don't see the Happines Boys, Dalhart or even Rachmaninoff commanding the prices these records are bringing on a regular basis. Also, let's not forget the Rolfe 52000 series either, and maybe the Georgia Melodians thrown in for good measure. I have the Rachmaninoff discs but I wouldn't walk across the room for free a stack of NOS records of the afore mentioned stars. Bruce
[Phono-L] Edison Test Pressings
These test pressings show up from time to time on ebay. Perhaps a couple a year. I don't rember what they are bringing however. I do remember they weren't exactly cheap though. Bruce
[Phono-L] Edison R-6 Radio
There was also an R-7 model. Sorry, I don't know the model date. Bruce
[Phono-L] Edison CC-32
To each his own I guess but this is one of my favorite machines. The CC-32 is a very masculine looking cabinet and is almost perfect in proportion and scale. Hardly a fat upright. I suppose it might be considered plain or ugly to those who don't take the time or have the ability to appreciate that and quietly executed detail. BTW...I believe this is one of the cases designed by Elsie deWolf, if anyone has a clue as to who she might be. I wonder what those same people would think of the scale and proportion of a C-1? Bruce
[Phono-L] Practical LP and Theodore Edison
Today's Topics: 1. The Practical Long Play Record (Bruce Mercer) 2. Re: The Practical Long Play Record (Dan Kj) 3. Edison business phono (Steven Medved) 4. Re: best reamers? (noveltyt...@aol.com) 5. Re: Edison business phono (cranke...@comcast.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:50:38 -0500 From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@sigecom.net Subject: [Phono-L] The Practical Long Play Record To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: 000601c66bc6$315ccda0$af9bb...@vaio Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original -- 3. If 33.3rpm Vitaphones were a Victor concern (right? weren't they?), and Edison invented the microgroove (as well as the micromicrogroove with his almost unplayable 80rpm LP's), and Victor combined a type of microgroove with their PT LP's, then exactly what did Columbia get credited for inventing in 1948? Again, many thanks to you all, Robert Since Edison did invent the first true microgroove record and a special elliptical stylus for playback, even though they were years ahead of their time in practicality, Columbia can be given credit for marketing the first 'practical' and successful L.P. record. This is in no small part due to the lightweight pickups developed by G.E. and Pickering in '47-'48, such as the G.E. VR. Also, vinylite was an added bonus as a quiet surface with little noise. Without these benefits it too would have been a commercial failure. That Edison was able to process a groove that small and an elliptical stylus in that time is amazing to me. One wonders how much of that work was borrowed by Columbia. You have to remember that even Columbia's L.P. did not have as small a groove as the Edison L.P.. It's easy to see just how significant those light weight pickups were to microgroove records in general. Edison was just way ahead of his time. Bruce -- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:18:01 -0400 From: Dan Kj ediso...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Practical Long Play Record To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: 002901c66bf3$ed355c40$6700a...@lap Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Young Theodore Edison, to be precise ; most of the LP work was his own Not precise or true. Edison(T.A.) was involved in microgroove recording on cylinders as early as 1899 as well as the development of the elliptical stylus to play them back. It's all very well documented. Theodore on the other hand did design the wonderful electric pick-up that was used on the company's radio/phonographs in 1928. Models C-1 and C-2. bruce
[Phono-L] Electric Motors In DD machines
-- Hi Doug, This is interesting, Edison had the Alva but I have never seen an electric motor in a DD phono, I never thought of this until your post. Steve But Edison had an aversion to electric motors in phonographs, though he could have had them; others did. Edison electric motors could be found in their Art-case models up to I think 1918 or maybe 1916. They were universal (ac/dc) motors of similar type that others continued to offer with electric drive. All of them I have heard were noisy including the Victors. Not until the quiet induction motor came along were they used again in the Edison DD radio/phonograhs as well as most other makers, Including Victor. Bruce
[Phono-L] Theodore Edison
- Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@sigecom.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 3, Issue 109 -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 15:02:00 -0400 From: Dan Kj ediso...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Practical Long Play Record To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: 004a01c66e1a$e7120240$6600a...@new Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original So, did Theodore work on the Edison LP at all ? No. Charles picked up after T.A. retired in 1927, leaving him head of the company in that year. Both Charles and Theodore went to MIT with Theodore having a penchant for mathematical physics and was secretly pursuing electrical recording and playback in a separate laboratory set up for him. It was during this time that electrical recording 'finally' got into gear. It is Theodore we have to thank for the marvelous C-1 and C-2 phonographs. The pick-up is absolutely ingenious and the phonographs have a wonderful sound, especially playing the 52000 series. Unfortunately, they came too late. They were brought out late in 1928 and were the last phonographs made by the company. Very few C-1s are known. Only a few dozen C-2s are known to exist, of which I am a proud owner and can attest to their usual Edison quality. btw...the L.P. cylinder Edison made in 1899 had 450 grooves per inch. Obviously, it wasn't practical at that time either for even more reasons, one being a suitable material for pressing. Still, that's when the L.P. work began and was first achieved. As far as Theodore goes, I bow to him for the electronic phonographs and that ingenious pick-up with the offset diamond stylus. Bruce
[Phono-L] Electric Motors in Phonographs
As I mentioned elsewhere, every one of the universal motors I've ever heard were noisy things, very noisy. Edison used his own brand of motor and I'm not sure what Victor or others used but they were of different design but still noisy. It seems like they would have been more of a novelty for the wealthy. The Induction motor was a different story. Every one of those I've seen were made by G.E. including those used in Edison and Victor machines, and possibly others as well. They are noiseless compared to a universal motor. I'd be interested to know of any other brands of induction motors that were used in machines of the day. Bruce
[Phono-L] Edison's Last Phonograps-Correction
I incorrectly stated that the C-1 and C-2 radio/phonograph combinations were the last phonographs offered by the company. I should have said they were the last 'Diamond Disc' Phonographs offered by the company. The C-4 radio/phonograph which used a different chassis was also sold, but only played the needle-cut lateral records. There was no C-3 model. Sorry for the confusion. Bruce
[Phono-L] Cutting Messages When Replying
Guys, I apologize in advance if I make anybody angry but you have to go through foot after foot after foot of previously posted messages to get to an answer or the next post. Doesn't anybody else find this very annoying? Why repost something 12 or 15 times when you can cut it in two seconds. I think this is the BEST group on our subject out there but we could do without all the clutter. Again, if I have offended anyone I'm sorry. Bruce
[Phono-L] Early Pickup Repair
The ONLY person I would trust with my pickups is George Epple gke(at)verizon.net.
[Phono-L] Pot Metal Repair
If you have to do any repair on pot metal use JB Weld. Sometimes the pieces are beyond hope, other times repairs can be made and this is the stuff to do it with. BTW I assume the poster was talking about Edison cylinder reproducers as all the disc ones were made of brass, thankfully. Too bad Victor didn't do the same. I lucked out with my Credenza as it did have a brass body. If not too badly damaged even the Orthophonics can be repaird with JB Weldvery carefully. Bruce
