Re: [Phono-L] Edison model C question / identification?
I think it is. Does it have a little lever you press down to make the carriage move back a few threads? The carriage will have a series of grooves on it where it rides on the bedplate and the ICS attachment is right up front. You could also google a picture to compare with what you have. Or, post one here. Dave From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison model C question / identification? Dave: would the ICS model be some ware in the Frow book? I could get someone to look. later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of David Dazer Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 2:39 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison model C question / identification? It is not an ICS model is it? Dave From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 11:38 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison model C question / identification? Listers: Obtained what I thought was a run of the mill Edison Standard Model C however, when it arrived via USPS, found some interesting features. It is in the gunk tank, so can't go look at the moment but: It looks like a regular Edison Standard when looking at the case. The ID plate indicates it is a model C ( don't recall if it says Standard): no gate: has what I would call an early model speed control knob at the left front of the bed-plate: has what I think is a factory shaver ( thumb button on the right) built on the cast part of the bed plate which the carriage rides across: normal run of the mill Edison model C reproducer. Likely should have been trashed however, you know the drill. Rusty / corroded everything is frozen etc. Any thoughts: What page may this be on in the FROW book? Thanks Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison model C question / identification?
Does it have this hardware on it? Dave From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison model C question / identification? Dave: would the ICS model be some ware in the Frow book? I could get someone to look. later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of David Dazer Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 2:39 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison model C question / identification? It is not an ICS model is it? Dave From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 11:38 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison model C question / identification? Listers: Obtained what I thought was a run of the mill Edison Standard Model C however, when it arrived via USPS, found some interesting features. It is in the gunk tank, so can't go look at the moment but: It looks like a regular Edison Standard when looking at the case. The ID plate indicates it is a model C ( don't recall if it says Standard): no gate: has what I would call an early model speed control knob at the left front of the bed-plate: has what I think is a factory shaver ( thumb button on the right) built on the cast part of the bed plate which the carriage rides across: normal run of the mill Edison model C reproducer. Likely should have been trashed however, you know the drill. Rusty / corroded everything is frozen etc. Any thoughts: What page may this be on in the FROW book? Thanks Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison model C question / identification?
It is not an ICS model is it? Dave From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 11:38 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison model C question / identification? Listers: Obtained what I thought was a run of the mill Edison Standard Model C however, when it arrived via USPS, found some interesting features. It is in the gunk tank, so can't go look at the moment but: It looks like a regular Edison Standard when looking at the case. The ID plate indicates it is a model C ( don't recall if it says Standard): no gate: has what I would call an early model speed control knob at the left front of the bed-plate: has what I think is a factory shaver ( thumb button on the right) built on the cast part of the bed plate which the carriage rides across: normal run of the mill Edison model C reproducer. Likely should have been trashed however, you know the drill. Rusty / corroded everything is frozen etc. Any thoughts: What page may this be on in the FROW book? Thanks Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Finally a good use for a crapophone
What a riot! Thanks for sharing! Makes you feel kind of bad for radio collectors. Our stuff is so much more fun! Dave From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@verizon.net To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 10:09 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Finally a good use for a crapophone Saw this on Facebook: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx4Em17CLDk It uses a crapophone as a potter's wheel but instead of clay the presenter is using ice cream! Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Great Rust Removal Method - Electrolytic Rust Removal...
I love to use a product called Evaporust. I have done the electrolysis method too and prefer the ease of Evaporust. You can google it and find all kinds of praise for it. Buy it at an auto parts store. Dave From: Bill Burns bi...@ftldesign.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Great Rust Removal Method - Electrolytic Rust Removal... Just about any DC source will work; the process usually takes just a few amps maximum. I usually use whichever car battery charger comes to hand. I'd strongly recommend using washing soda (sodium carbonate) rather than sodium hydroxide. You'll have body parts fairly close to the process periodically, and while a splash of washing soda is harmless, sodium hydroxide can do serious damage. Newly de-rusted parts can also be protected with a coat of paste wax if they're not to be painted or plated. Bill On 1/12/2014 12:20 PM, Chris Kocsis wrote: I came across this post, which I had saved from 2011, and have a question about this method. I've seen a lot of suggestions to use a car battery charger as the power source. How about a filtered and regulated, high-current DC supply? I figure the purer the DC the better and wonder about using a 12 volt, 25 amp Astron supply. Should I add a load of some sort (such as a light bulb) in series to prevent the fuse from blowing? Chris On 7/15/2011 2:43 AM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: This is well known to car restorers and has been used on iron or steel for years. Sodium hydroxide will also work. Sodium hydroxide is Drano but without the aluminum flakes that would mess up the process. Sodium hydroxide is commonly called lye and eye protection is advised. It works a bit better than 'washing soda' or soda ash which is sodium carbonate, Na2CO3. For a gas tank an electroplated coating of zinc is suggested immediately after the process. For a phonograph body any pits should quickly be filled and a coat of paint put on if it is an exposed part. Motor frames and the like can be dipped into an oil bath that has a paraffin base or given a dip into shellac or lacquer to keep the rust off. If the part is to be plated then the next immediate step is to copper plate the part before any oil or oxide can contaminate the pristine surface. Even a fingerprint is a problem. Cast iron needs a copper plating then tin plating before nickel can be put on. Electrolytic rust removal has been used by museums and restorers for ages. Bill Harrah had a huge bath when he was restoring old rust buckets into great antique cars for his collection. Harrah had an Edison Opera, a Triumph, an Amberola 30, and other Edison machines on display but never felt they needed restoration. Boy, did they! Happy Bastille Day to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Questions about Edison Standard machine
Sounds like an ICS language machine. I have a couple of them. Dave From: chuck richards chuc...@all2easy.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:52 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Questions about Edison Standard machine Recently I saw a working Edison Standard (model B I think) machine at the Dewitt County Museum. It has a few odd things about it: It has a carriage that has no lift lever. This carriage has teeth on the bottom which engage a spring-loaded rack that's bolted to the carriage-rest. When the rack is moved via its button, the carriage lifts and drops back a couple of grooves. Is this the language-teaching setup? What's odd about it is that there's no way to rest the carriage in the up position, which makes changing records a real hassle. This machine has an end gate, and it also has 2/4 gearing although I can't get it to budge so far out of the 2M gearing. It only has a model H reproducer, which the museum is using to play Gold Moulded 2M records! This machine has the funky early half-a-gearcase-cover So, is this carriage perhaps just missing its left lever? Seems to me that the rack assembly might need to be removed from the carriage rest, and maybe a different carriage substituted, (one that has a lift lever or the button). I am quite familiar with the Standard model D, but those earlier ones such as this one the museum has, are sort of new to me. It has the speed adjustment on the top of the bedplate. Any ideas about what the best thing to do might be to get that carriage so that it can at least rest in the up position? Thanks, Chuck Richards $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! See http://www.All2Easy.net for more details! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phonographs for Sale
Dear Wayne, I want to thank you publicly for all you have done for our hobby. Anyone who knows you understands what a kind and generous person you are, and I wish you great success in liquidating your collection. I'll keep your health issues in my prayers, too. Sincerely, Dave Dazer From: wayne holznagel ethanu...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 3:54:05 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Phonographs for Sale I am interested in selling my phonograph collection. I would prefer to sell all to one person as I simply cannot stand to ship things . . . too much time and stress. I live on I90 in east/central South Dakota. Perfect for someone on the way to Union. I have around 36 phonographs. Most are pretty run of the mill rear mount disc, cylinder, etc. Best, in my opinion, is a Col BS, Victor V with oak speartip horn, early Victor III, a Triumph with outstanding pin striping (not sure if I spelled that right), two replica tinfoils - Ray Phillips Hardy and Paul G (don't remember his last name but I think he is from PA area) Gillette . . . along with quite a bit of tinfoil sold several years ago by a well known collector - and I don't think it is available any more, along with an assortment of parts and horns. A few phonographs are uprights but doubt anyone would be that interested in them although there is a restorable Puritan Bombay. I may even be interested in parting with my paper ephemera including about 200 original/antique phonograph related photos - most are cabinet card style but there are some postcards and others, an original phonograph demonstration handout from the 1880s or 90s, several original phonograph (Valley Forge, etc) catalogs, letters from dealers, etc. You would really need to look through the items when the phonographs are picked up to see if you are interested in the paper items. In the past I've posted emails to sell parts of my collections. My descriptions are always rather vague at first. But if someone is interested then I've sold the items. In fact I've always sold what I've mentioned. The last time was 2 years ago when I sold some parts. Sold some phonographs about 7 1/2 years ago. I don't like selling but once I am committed to a sale I follow through. I don't think anyone has been disappointed in what they've bought from me in the past. My reasons for selling are pretty simple. Lingering health issues from three heart procedures in 2 1/2 yrs. Also I've become interested in other things. My pc is a piece of crap so it is pretty difficult to send photos. My daughter is visiting from out of state next weekend and I am sure she can send some photos through her cell. (I don't have one.) I am busy the next few days so will not respond to any emails until at least Tuesday night. I will not take any phone calls until then either. I want to be able to send the same email to anyone interested. The email will also include my telephone info if someone wants it. After that point I will respond to people as they send me emails. I will email one person at a time and will not play one person off against another. If no one is interested in the entire collection of machines I will consider selling the machines separately or consigning to an auction house like Stantons. For those of you concerned about who I am or want to make sure that I exist. My name is Wayne Holznagel. You should be able to google me. I've been around a while so I'm a known collector. EMAILS SHOULD BE SENT OFF LIST PLEASE. :) Wayne H Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning. --Albert Einstein ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rare Gothic
I know of a third one, here is Michigan. Also probably not for sale. Dave From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, May 9, 2013 12:49:45 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Gothic I want one... I know where two are, but aren't for sale, within 5 miles of here. They are great looking machines. From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 09:10:08 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Gothic Awesome. On May 9, 2013, at 7:32 AM, Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote: Sometimes, eBay coughs up something really special. http://goo.gl/MMD8q Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Help with a value please
I use pH decreaser from the swimming pool to remove the zinc plating. It is sold as a dry powder and so much easier to keep around than acid. Just a little bit disolved in water will work very well to strip the zinc before heat bluing and oil quenching, Dave From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, March 8, 2013 6:21:17 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Help with a value please They are also usually the odd number size, 1,3,5,7,9, etc which makes them very close to impossible to find. They are also heat blued and oil quenched. Hydrochloric acid takes off the zinc. http://www.boltdepot.com/Wood_screws_Slotted_round_head_Zinc_plated_steel.aspx On 03/08/2013 04:48 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: Finding slotted screws can be tough. I'd say they're worth around a buck each 8-). -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 4:29 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] Help with a value please Hi Everyone, I was wandering through one of those little hole in the wall antique stores today and made a purchase. I hope that I got a good deal. I found a nice clean little tabletop Edison DX in an oak cabinet. Serial number 22676. It's got the usual grime that a gentle cleaning should take care of. It's a strong runner and plays nicely. The only thing missing is the bedplate screws that hold it in the case. Can anyone tell me what one of those is worth in today's market? I have some old auction books, but the market has changed so much that I don't think that they are still accurate. Tom ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Berliner Gramophone only $350.00
I have bought it five times already and he still has not sent it to me... I am going to have to stop this. Dave From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, February 24, 2013 10:29:42 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner Gramophone only $350.00 That same guy has offered to sell this Berliner many times before... could it be a SCAM??? (yes, it could/is) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 15:19:19 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Berliner Gramophone only $350.00 Here's another great eBay deal, get it before it is gone! Berliner trademark phonograph for only $350.00 Buy It Now! Ebay item 121072345171. Of course it is located in Lithuania, and also he only has 1 feedback rating John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Berliner Gramophone only $350.00
I have to go to Nigeria too. Seems like a guy with the same name there died and left a bunch of unclaimed money. I am a nice guy, so I am going to help them out... Dave From: John9ten john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, February 25, 2013 4:13:17 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner Gramophone only $350.00 I got it this time Dave, and just to make sure I get it I am sailing to Nigeria to meet him at his winter home. John Robles Sent from my iDon'tknow On Feb 25, 2013, at 12:43 PM, David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I have bought it five times already and he still has not sent it to me... I am going to have to stop this. Dave From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, February 24, 2013 10:29:42 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner Gramophone only $350.00 That same guy has offered to sell this Berliner many times before... could it be a SCAM??? (yes, it could/is) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 15:19:19 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Berliner Gramophone only $350.00 Here's another great eBay deal, get it before it is gone! Berliner trademark phonograph for only $350.00 Buy It Now! Ebay item 121072345171. Of course it is located in Lithuania, and also he only has 1 feedback rating John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison bearings
Just curious, Randy. What are the performance problems you are attempting to overcome? Dave D From: Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, January 27, 2013 6:40:41 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison bearings Not sure if many would like this, but I've been trying to come up with an idea of how to improve the Edison Standard bearings. Specifically being the bearings for the governor. I wanted to develop something that would still look original yet performed better. Last week I finally thought of something (if it hasn't been already) and put one together (after many trial and error attempts). It's a female bearing with a stainless steel sleeve in a hollow brass case. I tried a steel case but couldn't drill through it. The case has an oil feed at the top right or left end (depending which side it's made for). The bearing provides a longer oil feed and better lubrication. After testing it on my Standard motor, it is working great. It has the original look (except for the oil feed hole and the brass)and works better and you don't have to oil the motor as often. If your interested in one, let me know. I'll send a few out for free for testing /feedback. Thanks Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped?
Is there a published source for looking up serial numbers to date a machine? Dave D --- On Sat, 12/15/12, George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: From: George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, December 15, 2012, 10:59 PM I know - - I was just being a smart ass. The Edison Phonograph Monthly announced the end of the banner decals on all models in the September 1906 issue. Taking into account the set-up for that issue occurring in August, about the closest I can estimate is that the Home lost the banner decal around serial No.210,000 or a bit earlier depending on how long the change had been in effect when it was announced in the EPM that ...all models are now being sent out... with the new decal. A safe range would probably be between 205,000 and 210,000. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 10:25 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? That is what I meant to ask. I wish I could afford an editor. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Scanned concert cylinder box
Hey, that is really cool! Dave --- On Sun, 12/16/12, Ron L'Herault lhera...@verizon.net wrote: From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@verizon.net Subject: [Phono-L] Scanned concert cylinder box To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org, 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, December 16, 2012, 6:06 PM Not sure if the list allows attachments, but if it does, the picture you are looking at shows a home-made cover for a roll of TP at the right end of the shelf. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PC160278.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 593694 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20121216/70fb5bd0/attachment.jpe ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] reproducers with the strap across the front for the very early Berliner hand winds
I do not think he is active any more, but he may still have some unsold parts or complete reproducers. Dave --- On Fri, 11/30/12, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] reproducers with the strap across the front for the very early Berliner hand winds To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com, phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, November 30, 2012, 11:20 AM Hello all, Would you know of anyone who makes the reproducers with the strap across the front for the very early Berliner hand winds? Does Mirek still make them? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Save high quality eBay scans
Having very little disposable income insulates me from high dollar scams! I did not buy a PowerBall ticket since I am sure that I would not be able to stand the strain of prosperity... Dave --- On Wed, 11/28/12, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Save high quality eBay scans To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 11:00 PM For some reason I find that a right click and save image as does collect the original with no secret handshakes or reading of chicken entrails. On 11/28/2012 09:24 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Ever wish you could save high quality eBay scans from various listings? For example look at this current listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1902-Edison-Standard-Cylinder-Phonograph-w-Original-Blue-Flower-Horn-Gorgeous-/190758684576?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2c6a1a87a0 Would you like to be able to save the image that you see when you use the zoom tool to view the closeups? Email me at:vinyl(dot)visions(at)live(dot)com and I will email back a PDF explaining how you can do it. Curt -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: How to copy and save high quality scans from eBay.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 164271 bytes Desc: not available URL:http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20121128/e51015a3/attachment.pdf ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Save high quality eBay scans
I got it, I was just being a little flippant. Thanks for all you do! Dave --- On Thu, 11/29/12, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Save high quality eBay scans To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 11:47 AM Dave,This is not about scams, it is about saving scanned images from eBay. This offer is not a scam or an ad, it's free to members of Phono-L, no strings - zero, zip, nada - free service, no charge - just sharing info... Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:03:15 -0800 From: dda...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Save high quality eBay scans Having very little disposable income insulates me from high dollar scams! I did not buy a PowerBall ticket since I am sure that I would not be able to stand the strain of prosperity... Dave --- On Wed, 11/28/12, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Save high quality eBay scans To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 11:00 PM For some reason I find that a right click and save image as does collect the original with no secret handshakes or reading of chicken entrails. On 11/28/2012 09:24 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Ever wish you could save high quality eBay scans from various listings? For example look at this current listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1902-Edison-Standard-Cylinder-Phonograph-w-Original-Blue-Flower-Horn-Gorgeous-/190758684576?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2c6a1a87a0 Would you like to be able to save the image that you see when you use the zoom tool to view the closeups? Email me at:vinyl(dot)visions(at)live(dot)com and I will email back a PDF explaining how you can do it. Curt -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: How to copy and save high quality scans from eBay.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 164271 bytes Desc: not available URL:http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20121128/e51015a3/attachment.pdf ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Maroon Amberol?
A Royal Purple? --- On Tue, 11/27/12, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Maroon Amberol? To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, November 27, 2012, 5:03 PM Is there any significance to a maroon colored Amberol cylinder? A friend said he found one, and since he is a knowledgeable collector, I believe him when he says its unusual and unlike others he has seen over 40 yrs. - I haven't seen it yet. Any ideas? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors
I pick them up around here for around $20. The governors are always gone, but the springs and gears come in handy Dave Dazer From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, October 28, 2012 9:20:48 PM Subject: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I'm looking for information about the practice of turning a spring wound phono motor into a trolling motor/line winder. Ever see on, build one, use one? Got pictures? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors
Hi Ron, I have never found one with an intact governor. I think it would rotate too slowly with it still attached. Without it, the angler can control the speed by allowing the line to slip through the fingers faster or slower. When i get some time I will send you a photo. I have a couple that I have not torn apart yet. Dave From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, October 29, 2012 10:50:58 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I believe that removing the governors is part of what makes them work well, although a couple of pictures I've seen show governors in the motors. I suppose it is possible that they are there but not engaged in the gear train too. Can you send a picture of one you have? Thanks, Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of David Dazer Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 5:50 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I pick them up around here for around $20. The governors are always gone, but the springs and gears come in handy Dave Dazer From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, October 28, 2012 9:20:48 PM Subject: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I'm looking for information about the practice of turning a spring wound phono motor into a trolling motor/line winder. Ever see on, build one, use one? Got pictures? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors
I think that makes sense. I live on the St Clair River which flows out of Lake Huron and into Lake St Clair. The Detroit River flows out of Lake St. Clair. I can't believe with how popular those were in the older days that I still can find an intact Victrola around here! Dave From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, October 29, 2012 2:53:11 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors Here's what one website said: Basically, handlining involves using lead weights and wire line too heavy to use with conventional fishing tackle to get lures down in conditions where water flow and radically varying depths conspire to frustrate common slow-trolling techniques. It's a tactic pioneered by self proclaimed river rats fishing for walleyes forced by the current to hug the bottom as they migrate through the Detroit River each spring. Early anglers actually pirated parts from vintage, hand-cranked Victorola phonograph players to construct reels capable of handling the wire line and the weights the slow-trolling technique required. The trolling motor has nothing to do with powering a boat, as I thought it did at first. It is just a way to reel in/out a heavy line and weights. They mounted them off the sides of the boat and for al I know, probably were propelling the boat with oars. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 12:09 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors Can you guys explain what, exactly, is the purpose or advantage of using one of these contraptions? When I go trolling, I use a boat with a motor and rod reel... I can't see how you would use these. I never realized that a phonograph could be used as fishing gear - is this just a cumbersome version of a modern reel? Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 08:39:01 -0700 From: dda...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors Hi Ron, I have never found one with an intact governor. I think it would rotate too slowly with it still attached. Without it, the angler can control the speed by allowing the line to slip through the fingers faster or slower. When i get some time I will send you a photo. I have a couple that I have not torn apart yet. Dave From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, October 29, 2012 10:50:58 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I believe that removing the governors is part of what makes them work well, although a couple of pictures I've seen show governors in the motors. I suppose it is possible that they are there but not engaged in the gear train too. Can you send a picture of one you have? Thanks, Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of David Dazer Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 5:50 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I pick them up around here for around $20. The governors are always gone, but the springs and gears come in handy Dave Dazer From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, October 28, 2012 9:20:48 PM Subject: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I'm looking for information about the practice of turning a spring wound phono motor into a trolling motor/line winder. Ever see on, build one, use one? Got pictures? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors
I find the ingenuity of the makers to be quite interesting and the craftsmanship ranges from pretty good to excellent. I find a lot of reels for taking up the line made from old coffee cans. Dave From: George victr...@triton.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, October 29, 2012 1:54:43 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I too have owned a few of these over the years and the governors were always removed on the motors in the ones I found. Some had motor housing partially cut of and in most cases the turntable shafts were altered in some way to mount the reel. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I believe that removing the governors is part of what makes them work well, although a couple of pictures I've seen show governors in the motors. I suppose it is possible that they are there but not engaged in the gear train too. Can you send a picture of one you have? Thanks, Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of David Dazer Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 5:50 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I pick them up around here for around $20. The governors are always gone, but the springs and gears come in handy Dave Dazer From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, October 28, 2012 9:20:48 PM Subject: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I'm looking for information about the practice of turning a spring wound phono motor into a trolling motor/line winder. Ever see on, build one, use one? Got pictures? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] A tale of woe...
How about a shop vac to suck it up? Empty all the sawdust, etc out first! Dave --- On Wed, 9/19/12, David Barnett da...@fairlibertyscall.com wrote: From: David Barnett da...@fairlibertyscall.com Subject: [Phono-L] A tale of woe... To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2012, 11:03 AM It was like a scene from an old movie. I was installing a combo attachment on my Edison Standard and had every in just about the right position. I slightly rotated the mandrel to make sure it still moved smoothly, and the tiny headless set screw in the double-gear piece from the combo kit fell out. I guess I had backed it out a bit too much while working. There I was in one of those sudden slow motion scenes watching in horror as the screw slowly fell and bounced on the case, the workbench, the chair, my foot and the floor while I flailed around trying to stop it's merciless descent into the one crack in the cement floor under the workbench while simultaneously contributing the classic drawn-out dialog line: Oooohhh No So, can anyone help locate that screw? I'd go for that double-gear piece with the screw in it, if need be. I'd get 2 to have a backup (yes, I know I'm sometimes klutsy). Thanks for hearing my tale of woe. David David Barnett da...@fairlibertyscall.com C: 516-398-8668 www.FairLibertysCall.com 3 Ike Place Woodmere, NY 11598 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Old time dealers
What a difference between Frick and Miller. Miller sold NOS and original parts while Frick sold such horrible crap. His peach can horns are a great example of that. Dave --- On Sun, 9/2/12, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] Old time dealers To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, September 2, 2012, 3:02 PM I dealt with Gene Ballard who was a skilled machinist and wonderful to deal with. I remember Frick and Miller. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: zonophone2...@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 10:13:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Thank you and this week on eBay... What a name from the past i have not heard of karl frick in years i mostly bought back then from neuwman miller and al just wondered what ever happened to your clock work home did you sell it to the oliphants thanks for all you and george did on edison zono -Original Message- From: clockworkhome clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Sep 1, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Thank you and this week on eBay... I humbly say thank you to those who sent me a compliment. This week on eBay there were several reasons why I wrote my Master Thesis on Edison machines then worked with George Frow to do the book. Item 1 was a rare 200 thread per inch feedscrew and record mandrel from an M electric that allowed it to play Amberol records ! ! ! This seller doesn't know that even Edison could not make that work so a planetary gear was used on the 100 TPI feedscrew for the 200 TPI records. But since he pulled the mandrel and feedscrew off of an M and the threads looked more fine to his eyes that is what ended up in the listing. It's an M mandrel ! ! ! Item 2 was a rare two piece Fireside Horn reproduction. This is one of the peach can Bondo Frick's Freaks horns. I am surprised it hasn't come apart so someone had to take good care of it for the last 50 years. Karl cut out the screw caps from cooking oil cans to make the screw connection between the two pieces of the horn. The caps were rather narrow to the horn is slim until after the connection then the 'bloom' on the bell is rapid. Viewed from the side it just looks odd at best. Item 3 is a Standard with a broken reproducer limit pin and broken stylus bar diaphragm link. I contacted the seller and was told, Every thing is there and it all works! I guess I must be like Don Quixote jousting with windmills. Best wishes everyone, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] The Sandblaster
I enjoyed his description of the drying room where the freshly painted parts cure at room temp. Sounds a lot like my workshop, er, I mean drying room. Too bad he was so nasty to you. D From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 8:18:05 AM Subject: [Phono-L] The Sandblaster Does anyone know who the sandblaster is who sells the sandblasted painted reproducers on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/GORGEOUS-BRASS-EDISON-DIAMOND-DISC-REPRODUCER-COMPLETELY-REBUILT-FREE-WARRANTY-/280875848529 I like how he painted the reproducer with the stylus bar in place, you can see the paint on the bar, very good to allow for freedom of the stylus bar movement. I asked for the serial number on a bronze oxidized reproducer he was selling. These reproducers were made only for the Duncan Stop which he did not know. Edison made three MAIN different oxidized DD reproducers, the final one collectors call gun metal, Edison called it the Antique finish. The first is the copper oxidized which is like the Idelia finish, and the bronze was used for machines such as the W250 and it is always found with the setup for the Duncan Stop. Here is my communication with the sandblaster: Me: What is the serial number? SB: Have you purchased this item or bid on this item? HE KNEW I DID NOT. Me: No I have not purchased or bid on the item, do I have to purchase or bid to ask questions? HE THOUGHT THIS WAS A SMART REPLY, I THOUGHT IT WAS DUMB REPLY TO ASK A QUESTION YOU ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER TO. SB: Vital information as such goes to the winner--so if you buy it, you get that information. Hey, what's your social? Do I have to know you to get that? Make smartass remarks and you will get them returned. I have time for serious inquiries only...not people trying to be nosy. IF ALL COLLECTORS WERE LIKE THE SANDBLASTER RESEARCH WOULD MUCH MORE DIFFICULT AND THERE WOULD BE A LOT LESS COLLECTORS AS 99.99% WOULD NOT BE COLLECTORS AS 99.99% ARE WONDERFUL PEOPLE. Me: You are clearly an idiot, serial numbers vital information? I SHOULD NOT HAVE SAID THIS, MY MISTAKE AND I DO FEEL BAD. You probably do not know where the serial number is or that the serial number begins with EM and this reproducer is found only on the machines with a Duncan stop. Do not write back, I wanted to see if the serial number was higher than the five of these I have. I collect based on serial numbers. SB: And if it's not vital, why do you want it? You're the idiot. Go home to your trailer and grab 'ya a tall one. DUNCAN STOP REPRODUCER WERE MADE WHEN DD REPRODUCERS HAVE THE SLEEVE IN THE THROAT, THE EARLY ONES HAVE THE SLEEVE. EDISON CONTINUED TO IMPROVE THE DD REPRODUCER SO THE LATER ONES HAVE BETTER SOUND. DURING THE TIME WHEN THE DUNCAN STOP WAS BEING MADE ALL EDISON DD REPRODUCERS HAVE THE BENT LIMIT PIN SO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHEN THE DUNCAN STOPPED BEING MADE, IN THE B SERIES OF THE REGULAR DD REPRODUCER. ALL THIS INO I HAVE IS BASED ON PEOPLE SHARING SERIAL NUMBERS. THE ONES WITH THE SLEEVE DO NOT SOUND AS GOOD AS THE LATER ONES. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] For Sale German made NOS Exposition reproducer and Early Holey H, H with holes in the weight
I appreciate it when people offer things here instead of going right to Ebay. Anyone who buys a reproducer from Steve is going to love it. Dave From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, March 26, 2012 12:02:12 PM Subject: [Phono-L] For Sale German made NOS Exposition reproducer and Early Holey H, H with holes in the weight If my posting bothers anyone please let me know as I actually enjoy fixed price offers from fellow members as it keeps me up on prices and I have made purchases. I am actually taking a loss on all of these as the H I will install new gaskets and you will get it at the price I paid for it and there is no rebuild charge. Holey H: It is an average looking H with a shiny top. The H with holes in the weight I paid $115 for and after rebuilding it I will sell it at $115, it is all original and in the correct band of serial numbers (A290,000 to A340,000) for the H with holes. All I need to know is if you want the stylus bar made not to move or to swivel. Edison made the swivel bar to compensate for the fast wear of the wax amberols, it did not work and by 1910 he fixed the bar in the H, K and J. Fixing the bar makes it track properly, but that is up to you. German made Exposition reproducer: There is a tiny bit of rust on the one flat spring that I left there intentionally, but I would grade it 98% and it looks new until you look close. Then you can tell it is old. I have reproducers I forgot I had so I want to reduce by selling about half of the ones I have. As you can see I am selling it for the cost of the parts I have in it, I am not making a profit especially when you include the labor I put in the rebuild. Here is a New Old Stock German Made Exposition reproducer with a paper label behind the mica. The reproducer HAD three problems, the flange, the mica (sound) and loose label. I corrected all three. Most of the rebuild people charge $40 just to replace gaskets, the instructions Victor has for the Exhibition tell you to put the needle bar up to the mica, but you get better sound and more volume with the bar around .003 away. First the metal flange would not fit Victor machines, I solved this by adding a Exhibition flange ($7.00) from Ron Sitko. To do this I had to tap the holes to 5-40 which I did by first tapping them to 4-40. Next I added two Exhibition flange screws from Ron Sitko ($10.00 for the pair, they are very nicely made and blued). Finally the mica was cheap looking and looked like the poor quality mica you see today with the large punched hole and the delamination on the edges so I replaced it with a NOS Exhibition mica ($7.50). Years ago I paid $40 for the reproducer in its box. As you can see not counting the rebuild, clean, and new gaskets I have over $60.00 in this reproducer. I cleaned the nickel in clock cleaner and then used Flitz so the nickel looks almost new. The back was painted black and has the original black paint that looks new. The paper label came loose, I cemented in back in place and installed new gaskets and sound tested it. It sounded better than the Exhibition I rebuilt with the hard gaskets back in the 1980's. I will include 5 loud tone Everest NOS Swiss needles and 5 gold plated medium trek needles with it. The needle bar has a round hole. The cost is $60 plus shipping and to cap shipping at $5.00 I will make the cost $65.00 which will include priority mail shipping with delivery confirmation in the 7x7x6 priority mail box. You will get the reproducer, its original box, the tissue paper it was wrapped in. The reproducer will not be packed in its box to prevent damage. If you have an offer that is close let me know, I will go by the first full or close offer I have. I have two of these, one is rebuilt the other will need to be rebuilt. I rebuilt if for someone that did not want it and will sell the second one at the same price. After selling all the reproducers I want to sell I will not break even as I purchased the diamond reproducers at full price and they all had bad diamonds. If I was not honest I could recover my full cost, but my reputation is worth more than money and I did not buy them to make money, I purchased them to keep. Now that my research is 90% complete I want to get rid of at least 50% of the reproducers that I have. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet suggestion
I think the horn you are talking about may have been one similar to those that Tim Fabrizio sold at one time. Check out his website or check with him. Dave From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, March 19, 2012 6:13:39 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet suggestion Jerry: How do I get in touch with Gregg to research and price it? On another note: Some time ago I had asked if anyone had seen a small horn which sits on the reproducer and must have been someone's design, as I don't think it was anything to resemble a factory original horn. I saw it on a Edison Fireside in New Orleans in a antique shop. It was small and looked like a , say 8 to 10 wide morning-glory horn. I don't recall the petals being rounded or scalloped, just say octagonal. I thought it was cool and wanted to get one this one was the maroon color associated with the Fireside original horn. . Now, I understand it is not an original design however, just different. I asked Wyatt's if they sold or knew of them and they hadn't. Do any of you know what I may b trying to describe? Later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of DeeDee Blais Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 1:46 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Cygnet suggestion If you're going to buy a reproduction Cygnet and have it painted, why not have Gregg Cline paint it in an oak woodgrain? In my opinion, it would be must more interesting than a freshly paint black horn. I'd suggest ordering the horn and have it sent to Gregg. He does a wonderful job and applies his excellent decals to the finished horn. Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Alba Gramphone on American restoration...
Did you see how they restored the motor? Nothing was taken apart, the poor thing was just hosed off with a solvent. Also, did anyone else notice the extra long crank on it? Dave From: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, February 24, 2012 10:12:34 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Alba Gramphone on American restoration... wow what a bargain maybe they can restore my idelia or better yet my gem -Original Message- From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2012 12:25 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Alba Gramphone on American restoration... I just sent a note which is in error - this episode IS new. I swear I saw omething like it a few months ago, but it wasn't this one. It is viewable nline, though (with commercials) . The finished product is ... well, ou'll see. Original Message - rom: Graham Newton g...@audio-restoration.com o: phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:55 PM ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Alba Gramphone on American restoration... Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com said on Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:59:31... On the subject: Alba Gramphone on American restoration tonight at 9:00 PM I just noticed that on American restoration tonight at 9:00 PM CST on the History Channel that a customer brings in an Alba Gramophone to be restored. Unfortunately I only saw the digest version with Tom's note today, Thursday, which was too late but looking forward, I found the program is repeated on:- History Channel, on Dish Network 120 at 8:30 pm Wed March 2nd. ... Graham Newton ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Home Standrd Roller bearing vs Oilite
I have always felt that a properly sized sleeve bearing was much quieter than the needle type. Nickel plating the bronze bearing sounds like a good idea! I think they look more original than the brass hanging out the end. Dave --- On Wed, 12/7/11, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] Home Standrd Roller bearing vs Oilite To: phono-l@oldcrank.org, phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 12:42 PM Hello, Back in 1984 when I replaced the pot metal bearing on my standard only the roller bearing was available and I got rid of that machine over ten years ago. I have an Oilite on my triumph that I had nickel plated because I do not like the brass look. How do the oilite bearings compare with the roller bearings? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] RARE Model Triumph - and reproducers
Steve, When will you write a book? I'd buy one. Dave --- On Mon, 11/7/11, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] RARE Model Triumph - and reproducers To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 7, 2011, 10:31 AM A Model G triumph with a mahogany case and horn sold for $8777 on eBay and it looked nice. The wooden horn came out around August 1910 and was available as an option from then on. According to the Frow book the Model F and G triumph came with the wooden horn but since Edison is the king of variety I am certain there were exceptions. I am not certain how accurate the Phonograph section of the Frow book is but the reproducer and recorder section if full of errors and omissions, mostly omission in the recorder section. Because of the Frow book the 2 minute sapphire Model B is the most misunderstood reproducer Edison made. He got the Model N reproducer backwards and does not mention the trowel N reproducer not to be confused with the N-56. When a reproducer was made and when it was put on a phonograph and when the phonograph was stamped with a serial number were not all the same in all cases. At least one suitcase standard in the 42,000 range was stamped with a serial number after Feburary 1902 and sent to Canada to be sold with an automatic reproducer made in the middle of 1901. This suitcase model does not have the serial numer raised lug and the serial number is stamped on the nickel ID plate. An one suticase standard in the 26000 range has he later brass ID plate. You see Model B homes with decals and the 2/4 minute upgrades, you see standard D's with the pin striping and an ID plate that does not say combination, you see Model D standards with the combination ID plate, the home C is found with pinstriping and decals. You see the maroon gem with the GEM decal on the machine. You see triumphs with the raised panel not paralles to the base. You see Edison phonographs with incorrect serial numbers. Home E 994618 is an example of this the home E is found in the 400,000 range and not that many homes were made. Also at the end of production runs earlier parts show up which is why you find the earlier B weights later on. The drilled B weight is found in both stamped and unstamped versions. The Frow book says it is not clear why the B was made and there was never an adjusting arm. The B was armed up until at least 30,000 and from 40,000 to 110,000 the word reproducer is not on the B as the top that was made for the arm was used as the reproducer stamped top came out around 110,000. The armed B is seldom found after 40,000 but they were made for use on the Edison Bell Duplex and the concert phonograph. If the B was never armed it would not have been produced before 110,000. It is easy to see why Frow did not understand the B as in England it mainly appeared on the Gem, but look at the Standard E which was only available here and he got that one correct. From 1 to around 17,000 the B has the arm and no notch. There are two types of tops found. Up until the mid 6500 range the B top has thin plating with machine marks visible. From 17,000 to 30,000 the B retained its arm with the notch added. From 40,000 to 110,000 the B top does not have the word reproducer and two different tops are found with the width of the flat around the sound tube and the outside dome varies and the weight is stamped B. Around 110,000 the weight was drilled and tapped to accomodate an extra lead weight. From around 150,000 on the B was given a 2.2 ounce lead or lead alloy weight. The first B has a 1.2 ounce weight and the C weight varies from 1.2 to 1.3 ounces. It took the 2.2 ounce weight to have the volume the hanging weight does. The automatic is another reproducer that is greatly left out. The period of time from 1900 to 1902 is largely omitted as is the period after the fire. The recorder section is even worse. 2 and 4 minute recorders were made after the fire as was the CHK. The diamond B was made into 1926 at least and the last diamond C used the same casting as the Diamond D. In the summer of 1901 the early B replaced the automatic and up to serial number 30,000 at least it was used on all Edison machines. The B got its notch for the centering pin in the 17,000 range. The B C and D all had blank weights at first. The C joined in around 25,000, the D around 30,000. The arm appeared on the C sporadically through 1906 even though the new top stamped with reproducer appeared by 110,000. The round weight N appeared first joining the O around 22,000. The hanging weight is more efficient than the round weight. The ICS amberola 30 that came with a four minute recorder and the ICS H. Small reproducer tops went from brass to pot metal to brass. Recorders went from brass to pot metal to brass to pot metal to brass. The B to K shared serial
Re: [Phono-L] My phonograph room
Very nice, John. I especially like the replica old time sign. What a great little item. Dave --- On Sun, 9/4/11, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Subject: [Phono-L] My phonograph room To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, September 4, 2011, 3:21 AM Here is a link to pics of my phonograph room and machines. I don't have much room so I don't have many machines, but I enjoy what I have. Double click on the pics to enlarge them and read the comments. If you have a photobucket account I'd like to see some of your collections! http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/My%20Phono%20Room/ John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] My phonograph room
What a great story and what a great bunch of friends to have. My friends only want to borrow money... Dave --- On Sun, 9/4/11, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] My phonograph room To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, September 4, 2011, 8:37 AM Thanks Dave. Scott Corbett had that sign made for me and there is a story behind the sign. I was selling at the CAPS show several years ago, and this guy (Gary Dial) wandered by my table. He was perusing my stuff, and he picked up my card. He did a double take, and said Your name is Robles? I said yes..he said Oh I have something at my table you need to see! He hurried me over to his table and there was the sign. I gasped when I saw it, especially because I knew of no Robles House of Music in Ventura back in the day. I said I have to have that, how much is it? He said he'd left me have it for $75. I paid him and made the rounds with it showing all my friends, who showed proper astonishment. A little later I got back to my table and had it displayed behind me. Pretty soon I noticed several of my friends gathered around the table grinning..and it sank in! I had been pranked!! Gary came up and gave me my money back, saying he had to charge me what he thought would be a realistic amount, that he couldn't charge me only $20 or so because he thought that would make me suspicious. It was a great joke and I treasure that sign and the great friendships with all the people that were in on it. John From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] My phonograph room Very nice, John. I especially like the replica old time sign. What a great little item. Dave --- On Sun, 9/4/11, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Subject: [Phono-L] My phonograph room To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, September 4, 2011, 3:21 AM Here is a link to pics of my phonograph room and machines. I don't have much room so I don't have many machines, but I enjoy what I have. Double click on the pics to enlarge them and read the comments. If you have a photobucket account I'd like to see some of your collections! http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/My%20Phono%20Room/ John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Speaking of Edison Boxes...
If it is cardboard, continued licking could cause damage. Dave --- On Sun, 7/10/11, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Subject: [Phono-L] Speaking of Edison Boxes... To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 3:23 PM I licked into an Edison Dealer shelf file box, the type that Edison Dealers filed Gold Moulded Records in on their stock shelves. You've probably seen pics of the file systems they had behind the counters. These boxes sat on the shelves and each contained four of the same title record. Now all I have to do is find four mint copies of the same title to display in it! Check the third pic, you can still see the outline of four boxes. http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Edison%20Box/ John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Mandrel bearing removal
You are lucky to have one of those. I think they were made by Lee Kirk who passed away last year I think. Dave --- On Wed, 7/6/11, Michael Tucker mtuc...@exemail.com.au wrote: From: Michael Tucker mtuc...@exemail.com.au Subject: [Phono-L] Mandrel bearing removal To: Phono-L Post phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 9:52 PM For years I tried to find a satisfactory way to remove frozen bearings without damaging the shaft and I noted that someone had advertised a hollow cutting tool on eBay, so promptly had one made for the Standard and another for the Home. The process is quite simple - carefully knock off the mandrel, making sure to use a wad of leather etc. so that the end is not bruised, attach the cutter to a drill, slide over the shaft and in no time the bearing is removed. Works a treat. Mike Tucker ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters
Sorry, these are very different from what i have. Van Dyke;s may indeed be your best option. Dave --- On Mon, 7/4/11, jkship jks...@bresnan.net wrote: From: jkship jks...@bresnan.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 8:35 PM Dave, I am sort of new at this and ignorant as well. Here is a couple of JPegs of what the housing looks like. - Original Message - From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters Were they only used on the VTLA? I just parted out a VV-XIV and saved those casters and related parts. In fact, they are still attached to the legs. Let me know if that would be of any use to you. Dave --- On Mon, 7/4/11, jkship jks...@bresnan.net wrote: From: jkship jks...@bresnan.net Subject: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 3:56 PM I am trying to locate a set of four ball bearing type wheel casters for an early VTLA. The part is a brass cup with a pressed on shoulder. The small end of the cup slides up into the leg of the phonograph. In the bottom of one of the cups is the remnant of a ball bearing ring. The open end of the cup has a distinct crimp that I assume held the wheel. Obviously, the three parts I have are missing the wheel assembly. I checked with George and Ron to no avail... Thanks ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3743 - Release Date: 07/04/11 00:35:00 -- ATTACHMENT -- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: IMG_3137.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 5492 bytes URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20110704/29c2a961/attachment.jpe -- ATTACHMENT -- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: IMG_3138.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 6780 bytes URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20110704/29c2a961/attachment-0001.jpe ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters
Were they only used on the VTLA? I just parted out a VV-XIV and saved those casters and related parts. In fact, they are still attached to the legs. Let me know if that would be of any use to you. Dave --- On Mon, 7/4/11, jkship jks...@bresnan.net wrote: From: jkship jks...@bresnan.net Subject: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 3:56 PM I am trying to locate a set of four ball bearing type wheel casters for an early VTLA. The part is a brass cup with a pressed on shoulder. The small end of the cup slides up into the leg of the phonograph. In the bottom of one of the cups is the remnant of a ball bearing ring. The open end of the cup has a distinct crimp that I assume held the wheel. Obviously, the three parts I have are missing the wheel assembly. I checked with George and Ron to no avail... Thanks ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip
I think 3.5 days is plenty of time to see it all and not to miss a thing. In my opinion, the museum has gone very commercial and is not what it used to be. They still have many great cars on display and some interesting artifacts, but it was really dumbed down over the years. I think one day for the museum and one day for the village would be enough, but that is up to you. Dave --- On Sun, 7/3/11, Ken and Brenda Brekke kb...@charter.net wrote: From: Ken and Brenda Brekke kb...@charter.net Subject: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, July 3, 2011, 10:11 AM We will be taking a sort of “Pilgrimage” in our Model A Ford to Dearborn Michigan in August. This will be a sort of crescendo of both of my hobby interests to visit the Ford Museum and also Greenfield Village and the Edison exhibits. In our travels, we will be staying in Ludington, Saginaw, Romulus, and Grand Rapids. My question to anyone on this list from Michigan is “Are there any phonograph related sites to see in these towns?” If we have time, I would like to check them out. If anyone has had the opportunity to visit Greenfield Village, what would you recommend to look for and not miss? We will have about 3 ½ days onsite and don’t want to miss anything. Thanks, Ken Brekke ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath
The last time I was there they gave me a piece of tin foil that had been recorded. I am sorry that they were so unkind to you. Dave --- On Sun, 7/3/11, clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: From: clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, July 3, 2011, 5:07 PM For those of us who went to the museum before it was dumbed down, the place was magical. The last time I was there they had an M electric out in the open with no glass around it and sitting in a dark corner. Parts had been picked off of it. I desperately need a brush door plate for an M and could have just lifted the one on this machine right out, pocketed it, and walked out. They didn't seen to care when I brought the question of protecting the machine up to one of the key people there. It was very sad to see them take out important artifacts of the American Industrial Revolution from the main building to put in a snack bar and kiddy play area. Just the history of American steam engines alone was worth the visit and it is now all but gone. Needless-to-say, I have never stolen a phonograph part for my Edison collection and am still looking for a brush inspection door plate for my M electric, a never-ending project machine. I will bite the bullet and make a reproduction out of a cut up Edison Standard B bedplate later this summer if all goes well. BTW - Are they still demonstrating the Bergmann tinfoil reproduction machine? I made a tinfoil recording but the old biddy operating the machine would not give me the tinfoil. I even offered to pay for it as I don't own a single tinfoil recording. Regards to everyone, may all your finds be rare ones, Al PS: The last time I saw Edison's Last Breath they had it sitting in a dimly lit cheesy glass cabinet and it was poorly labeled. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] HI ALL
Was that one of those auction shows? By the way, did you know that your caps lock is on? Dave --- On Tue, 5/3/11, zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: From: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com Subject: [Phono-L] HI ALL To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 6:28 AM HI I JUST SAW A SHOW WITH SCOTT CORBETT ON IT YOU DID A GOOD ROLE SCOTT ON BUYING THE EDISON FROM THE STORAGE AUCTION BUYERS KUDOS ZONO ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] HI ALL
Hi Zono, I am glad to see that you have such a good sense of humor about this! Your rsponse is a classic and shows you to be a person with great wit. Happy Collecting! By the way, you never told me where you saw Scott. Dave --- On Tue, 5/3/11, zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: From: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] HI ALL To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 11:51 AM hi you are all right but who cares zono In a message dated 5/3/2011 9:21:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lhera...@bu.edu writes: And the 'Period .' button does not work. RonL -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of David Dazer Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:43 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] HI ALL Was that one of those auction shows? By the way, did you know that your caps lock is on? Dave --- On Tue, 5/3/11, zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: From: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com Subject: [Phono-L] HI ALL To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 6:28 AM HI I JUST SAW A SHOW WITH SCOTT CORBETT ON IT YOU DID A GOOD ROLE SCOTT ON BUYING THE EDISON FROM THE STORAGE AUCTION BUYERS KUDOS ZONO ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Decorated Gem
I think Jerry meant tole painting. I seem to recall he got beat up pretty bad over a typographical error a while back and he took it all very well. Let's just let this once pass. Jerry contributes a lot to the group and to the hobby in general and certainly deserves a break now and then. Dave --- On Sun, 4/10/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Decorated Gem To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, April 10, 2011, 8:03 PM I'll be waiting for my mother-in law. One of my favorite songs... By the way, what is toll painting? In the 50's-60's - toll painting took a toll on your health, because paint contained lead. :) From: aph4...@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 19:17:20 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Decorated Gem In a message dated 4/10/11 4:33:19 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, deedeebl...@yahoo.com writes: I can't help myself... My mother-in-law did toll painting back in the sixties and seventies and it looks exactly like the Gem. If anyone likes, I could show her the photos for her opinion. It looks like a sixties job to me. Wow, that's fifty years ago! Jerry B. Fifty years ago qualifies as new. But show it to your mother-in-law anyway to see what she thinks. And while you're at it, play her I'll be waiting for my mother-in law. By the way, what is toll painting? --Art Heller ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] shipwrecked phonograph and records
It looks like it was a front mount machine, something like a Standard Model X. I see what appears to be two nuts such as were used to fasten the support arm. A picture of the motor would probably be very useful. Dave --- On Mon, 3/28/11, Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com wrote: From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com Subject: [Phono-L] shipwrecked phonograph and records To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 5:19 PM Did anyone catch this? http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/Shipwrecked+music/4509626/story.html Andy Baron ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] victrola number 4 a reproducer
I think the needle bars a kind of fragile and break easily. Dave --- On Fri, 2/25/11, zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: From: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com Subject: [Phono-L] victrola number 4 a reproducer To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 7:17 PM on another note anyone know much about this reproducer other than it came out late 20s ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Horn connector for playing an iPod through a cylinder machine
Can someone explain what an iPod is? :) Dave --- On Tue, 2/15/11, D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi wrote: From: D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Horn connector for playing an iPod through a cylinder machine To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 1:47 AM Interesting idea. If the price is low we'd get one just for the novelty and future place in the library. Darren ¦ D P Ingram ¦ Ab Ingram Oy ¦ ¦ darren at ingram.fi ¦ www.ingram.fi ¦ ¦ ¦ MUSIC LIBRARY FINLAND - www.musiclibrary.fi ¦ ¦ +358 6 781 0275 (FIN) ¦ extn 8001 ¦ On 15 feb 2011, at 07.32, Vinyl Visions wrote: Hi Guys, I need your input to see if this is a viable idea. I made a Tizit for my Edison that allows me to play my iPod or other audio source through my Cygnet horn. It really sounds great and you can play not only Edison mp3's but ANY genre of music. I don't need any more electronic speakers in my house or docking stations, so I thought why not use what I like to look at? Most of us have a cylinder player or two of some type. It's great when you want to listen to some favorites, but don't want to crank and change cylinders. No mods to the machine are necessary and when you want to go back to original operation, just remove the Tizit and replace it with the original. Is this a viable idea? If so, what price range? www.mp3tizit.com Thanks, Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram Bonnie and Clyde
Back when I was a kid, the Bonnie and Clyde death car was touring the country with a carnival. It came to my home town and I was fascinated by it. Dave --- On Fri, 1/21/11, Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com wrote: From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 3:16 PM On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:09 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: You like the Old Cranky part of the Model T, which I love as well... they are my favorite Fords, along with the 1934 Bonnie Clyde models. Model T's fit right in with crank phonographs - simple, dependable and bulletproof. ...Unlike a certain 1934 model. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines
Nuremburg would be a good bet since it was the center of the German toy industry. This would be interesting to research. Dave --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 9:40 PM Would they have been made in Nuremburg? Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:31:41 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines The Puck machines were made in Germany, starting with the original lyric design in 1901 and going on to 1914. They were most often giveaways. The Kastenpucks came along in 1903 and lasted til 1914. They're not often seen here. There were lots sold in England, and American Graphophone imported them at one time. John --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Puck Machines To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 6:22 PM I am sure that someone out there has some knowledge of Puck machines. I bought one a few years ago that has a bedplate that looks like a bluebird or songbird of some type sitting on a vine. It is built into a wooden case, so I believe that it's called a Kastenpuck or cabinet puck. The real question is where it was made and when? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller
I am sorry that you had a bad experience. Google or any other on line translator is better than nothing, but the translations are sometimes pretty odd themselves. Dave --- On Sun, 12/12/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 9:10 PM No Dave, his previous ads did not mention anything about paper stickers, which is why PayPal refunded my money. He actually ran several auctions previous to the one that I bid on, with authentic rare tins, but they were always won by his friend... It was classic bait and switch. My point was, now he's being honest, after a few other problems with different buyers. He totally lost his eBay account because of fraud and now he is back, with a new name. Same stuff, but at least he's describing it honestly. I have bought a number of things from Germany and generally understand the German listings - if not, I always run them through Google translator. Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 02:54:58 -0800 From: dda...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller Well, he's is quite clear about it this time. The ad in German explains how the tins are partially filled and covered with paper stickers. Perhaps his other ad was clear in German and you did not understand? Dave --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 7:43 PM Last year I bought what was represented to be a collection of high end needle tins from a guy in Germany. He had run several previous auctions with some pretty rare tins, so when I saw a new listing for a collection, I bid 200 euros on it as a proxy bid. Someone kept bumping it up until it reached my maximum bid, but I won the auction. When I received the tins, I found that they were mostly fakes - other tins with decals or stickers applied to them. Also, he just dumped them all in an envelope and mailed them without any real care. I wrote him about the fakes and he said that if I read his long description, I would see that he said keine originale somewhere in the ramblings. Keine in German means not, which I learned. I looked up his previous listings and read the descriptions and nowhere did I see keine and coincidentally these auctions were all won by the same guy who bumped up my bid on the fakes. I wrote eBay about it and expected nothing. Since I used PayPal, howev er, eBay ruled in my favor and refunded my money. Now he's back with a new listing, but apparently the refund and eBay's decision has made him somewhat more honest. Now he's selling fake tins in an original box, but the description says not original in several languages and in large print in the title, so maybe it worked on him... New listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150532842241ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller
Well, he's is quite clear about it this time. The ad in German explains how the tins are partially filled and covered with paper stickers. Perhaps his other ad was clear in German and you did not understand? Dave --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 7:43 PM Last year I bought what was represented to be a collection of high end needle tins from a guy in Germany. He had run several previous auctions with some pretty rare tins, so when I saw a new listing for a collection, I bid 200 euros on it as a proxy bid. Someone kept bumping it up until it reached my maximum bid, but I won the auction. When I received the tins, I found that they were mostly fakes - other tins with decals or stickers applied to them. Also, he just dumped them all in an envelope and mailed them without any real care. I wrote him about the fakes and he said that if I read his long description, I would see that he said keine originale somewhere in the ramblings. Keine in German means not, which I learned. I looked up his previous listings and read the descriptions and nowhere did I see keine and coincidentally these auctions were all won by the same guy who bumped up my bid on the fakes. I wrote eBay about it and expected nothing. Since I used PayPal, howev er, eBay ruled in my favor and refunded my money. Now he's back with a new listing, but apparently the refund and eBay's decision has made him somewhat more honest. Now he's selling fake tins in an original box, but the description says not original in several languages and in large print in the title, so maybe it worked on him... New listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150532842241ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia A Cylinder machine spring
I think I heard years ago that all Columbia springs are the same size. I used one from a Grafonola in my AU and it worked just fine. Dave --- On Mon, 11/29/10, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia A Cylinder machine spring To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com, 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 12:36 PM Anyone know what length/width/thickness they are supposed to be? Would they be the same spring as found in open-works machines like the AU? Someone fudged in the wrong spring on my A and I would like to make it right. Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Grafonola reproducer
Make a spanner wrench out of a length of wood and two pins placed at the right spacing. A couple of small nails should do it. Dave --- On Wed, 11/17/10, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com wrote: From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com Subject: [Phono-L] Grafonola reproducer To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 11:19 PM I just picked up a really nice Grafonola 100 in Oak. The reproducer needs to be rebuilt. It has the large ring with 4 small holes in it. Is there a tool or a technique to remove this ring to rebuild it? Any help is greatly appreciated. Harvey Kravitz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism
Any idea how many of these were sold? :) Dave --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 7:10 PM Dave, I think it was a small trip wire fastened to the pin on a hand grenade concealed inside the phonograph. It was very effective at stopping the thief, but the main problem was the totally destroyed phonograph... :) Curt Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:14:47 -0800 From: dda...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism I remember Karl Frick used to advertise something that he said stopped reproducer theft. I always wondered what that was. Dave --- On Mon, 11/8/10, john9...@pacbell.net john9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john9...@pacbell.net john9...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 11:35 AM Neal Maken used to sell what he called a reproducer locking screw to prevent theft. Same thing, I imagine. Good idea! John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 08:28:58 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism For the Edison Standard on display at our local museum, I used a very short 5-40 allen head set screw. This was placed in the carriage and tightened down before the real reproducer set screw was put on. It is not likely a thief would have an allen wrench of that size unless he reads this and comes prepared. I always did this if I placed a machine on consignment, too. Never lost a reproducer. Dave --- On Mon, 11/8/10, jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.net wrote: From: jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 11:19 AM Have already adopted this precaution. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 07-Nov-2010 4:30:28 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism One of the antique malls I've been in does not leave reproducers attached to any of the machines. If you want buy the phono, you have to ask one of the attendants to fetch you the reproducer. Jim On Nov 6, 2010, at 6:29 PM, jim...@earthlink.net wrote: Just returned from The Antique Gallery in Round Rock, Texas where I rent a stall to sell antique records the occasional phonograph. All of the dealer's in antique phonographs have had their machines vandalized by theft of soundboxes, reproducers tone arms. Stolen from my booth were the gun-metal finish Diamond Disc Reproducer from an Edison Baby Console Phonograph, the Diamond B Reproducer from an Edison Fireside Model B Phonograph a Victor No. 2 Soundbox from a Victrola 100. These were shiny all-original (except for gaskets in the No. 2) in excellent condition played extremely well, especially the Diamond B. A few months ago a Victor No. 2 Soundbox (which I replaced) from the Victrola 100 one of its horn door knobs were stolenThe thief did not take two Gold-Plated Diamond Disc Reproducers, one from an A-250 the other from a C-250. These were less shiny that what was stolen. (I understand that a Diamond Disc Reproducer, a Columbia tone arm with S oundbox whatever Soundbox was on a Haywood Wakefield wicker upright made for some other company were stolen from other dealers at The Antique Gallery.) I have a replacement for the Victor No. 2 Soundbox (finish not as nice as on one that was stolen) but need to replace the Diamond B gun-metal Diamond Disc Reproducers. And, to report this to Police I would like to know what such all-original excellent sounding Reproducers should be valued at. The manager of The Antique Gallery does not know when these items were taken but they were still there when I was at the Mall about 6 weeks ago. Have they turned up on E-bay or Craigslist? Let me know if anyone has a good Diamond A Diamond Disc Reproducer for sale. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism
I remember Karl Frick used to advertise something that he said stopped reproducer theft. I always wondered what that was. Dave --- On Mon, 11/8/10, john9...@pacbell.net john9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john9...@pacbell.net john9...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 11:35 AM Neal Maken used to sell what he called a reproducer locking screw to prevent theft. Same thing, I imagine. Good idea! John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 08:28:58 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism For the Edison Standard on display at our local museum, I used a very short 5-40 allen head set screw. This was placed in the carriage and tightened down before the real reproducer set screw was put on. It is not likely a thief would have an allen wrench of that size unless he reads this and comes prepared. I always did this if I placed a machine on consignment, too. Never lost a reproducer. Dave --- On Mon, 11/8/10, jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.net wrote: From: jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 11:19 AM Have already adopted this precaution. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 07-Nov-2010 4:30:28 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism One of the antique malls I've been in does not leave reproducers attached to any of the machines. If you want buy the phono, you have to ask one of the attendants to fetch you the reproducer. Jim On Nov 6, 2010, at 6:29 PM, jim...@earthlink.net wrote: Just returned from The Antique Gallery in Round Rock, Texas where I rent a stall to sell antique records the occasional phonograph. All of the dealer's in antique phonographs have had their machines vandalized by theft of soundboxes, reproducers tone arms. Stolen from my booth were the gun-metal finish Diamond Disc Reproducer from an Edison Baby Console Phonograph, the Diamond B Reproducer from an Edison Fireside Model B Phonograph a Victor No. 2 Soundbox from a Victrola 100. These were shiny all-original (except for gaskets in the No. 2) in excellent condition played extremely well, especially the Diamond B. A few months ago a Victor No. 2 Soundbox (which I replaced) from the Victrola 100 one of its horn door knobs were stolenThe thief did not take two Gold-Plated Diamond Disc Reproducers, one from an A-250 the other from a C-250. These were less shiny that what was stolen. (I understand that a Diamond Disc Reproducer, a Columbia tone arm with S oundbox whatever Soundbox was on a Haywood Wakefield wicker upright made for some other company were stolen from other dealers at The Antique Gallery.) I have a replacement for the Victor No. 2 Soundbox (finish not as nice as on one that was stolen) but need to replace the Diamond B gun-metal Diamond Disc Reproducers. And, to report this to Police I would like to know what such all-original excellent sounding Reproducers should be valued at. The manager of The Antique Gallery does not know when these items were taken but they were still there when I was at the Mall about 6 weeks ago. Have they turned up on E-bay or Craigslist? Let me know if anyone has a good Diamond A Diamond Disc Reproducer for sale. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Decal success!!
Congratulations! I think it looks pretty good! Dave --- On Thu, 8/5/10, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Subject: [Phono-L] Decal success!! To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 12:48 AM Ok, I tried again with the new set tonight, and based on my horrible experience with the first set, I adapted my method a bit (and used the correct solution first). The results were much happier than the first time. I have applied all left side decals except for the stripe that goes around the top of the bracket (where the elbow and tonearm meet). To see the result, cut and paste this link into our browser window and it will take you to my photobucket space. http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/?action=view¤t=VicIIBracketDecals.jpg There is some very very fine wrinkling, but I understand that the Micro Set will take care of it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Where to get Stylus?
George Vollema has those lift tabs. Dave --- On Sun, 4/11/10, filerph...@bellsouth.net filerph...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: filerph...@bellsouth.net filerph...@bellsouth.net Subject: [Phono-L] Where to get Stylus? To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 10:36 AM Where do you all think is the best place to purchase stylii for Edison Model C and H, and Columbia Floating type. I have a few machines that only lack reproducer repair. Also, has anyone seen a reproduction collar for a Columbia type used on the Q, with the small lift tab? Thanks, Joe ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
Have you looked at any American made cars? Dave edu wrote: From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 3:20 PM Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright Victrola. It fills all my other criteria. What about the Kia Soul? and doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jim...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup. I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 help needed.
It uses the same type of ratchet. Contact George Vollema and he'll hook you right up. Dave --- On Mon, 3/1/10, tubado...@aol.com tubado...@aol.com wrote: From: tubado...@aol.com tubado...@aol.com Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 help needed. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 5:48 PM I am trying to get a tired old amberola 75 working. The main problem I am facing is the crank ratchet. The device on both my amberola 30s have a metal tab that turns out of the way when winding and backs into the teeth of the gears to prevent movement in the other direction. This 75 seems to be missing or never had this metal piece. It has only whats left of a friction spring that would release in the winding direction and grab the other way. There is nothig it would grab onto however. Whatever it was hooked to is gone or did it just have the end of the spring bent to interfere with the gear mesh when undwinding. I suspect that could be but when winding, it would just click along the teeth of the spring barrel gear. Is that how it was made? Improved later maybe? Anyway if just the spring did the whole trick I would need one. Please enlighten me. Thanks. Don ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Oak Puritan and other stuff
I think it is a type of wood. Mahogany. Dave --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oak Puritan and other stuff To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 9:12 AM Who or what is Magh? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of brice paris Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:05 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Oak Puritan and other stuff Loren Please list the following message: Phonograph Greatings from Southern Oregon : I am looking for a two piece VTLA tone arm bracket. Will trade or pay a fair price for one. I also have an outstanding quartersawn oak bombay sided puritan that I am willing to part with , will will sell or trade for a mint original maghony Puritan. I am also getting ready to have my normal spring clearance pre Union sale of some pretty nice machines. I will be offering for sale , Magh VTLA and or L dr 16, early Magh 14, vic 5, vic 3, spider leg 10, vic O, Edison maroon and balck gem, firesides, standards, homes and triumphs, large fancy wicker upright (the best I have ever seen), and maybe an magh Opera, victrola XX, and a fat victrola 16 Vernie martin, to name a few. If you have an interest or can help with the VTLA part , please contact me off list at 541 690 8695 or email me at paris_br...@yahoo.com. Thanks and happy collecting. brice ps I will be traveling to Union from Southern Oregon in june and can deliver or bring any of these items free , or can haul things to or from Union or any place in between for maybe a tank of fuel or ? Please let me know if I can help out. Thanks ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Orlando show
What a wonderful description of the show. I wish I could have been there. Dave --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] Orlando show To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 4:06 PM The most wonderful part of the show was seeing Harry Ruer and his wife Sherry. I purchased a Paul Baker K with a broken hinge block for $90, a near mint gold exhibition box with gold print for $20, the admission was $14 for my wife and I, but seeing Paul Baker's restored Multiphone and talking with Paul and meeting his wife was worth the price of admission. Mrs. Baker is like my wife, she is not very interested in phonographs but is wonderfully tolerant (while we discussed reproducers) to the point which is truly impressive. Ron Haring was there along with Charley Hummel, and Ron Sitko made a cameo appearance, and there were many other dealers who made the show very enjoyable. Bob Cole, who organized the show this year did an absolutely wonderful job. He continued the show in such a great way not changing the warm friendly atmosphere that the Ruer's have created. It may not be the biggest, but it is the most friendly show. I got the box for Ramona 5544, a March 1914 2 minute blank and its box in excellent condition that was likely for the ICS language course, it still sparkles in the gold, a D home 2/4 pulley and cylinder record brush for $20, and a nice book on Victor advertising with the Victor VI ad showing the brass horn 6 on the front. I have this ad so I could not resist the book at $7. At the show was a restored Multiphone, a Mahogany Triumph B with repeater, an early 3000 S/N spring motor with a standard speaker and an 'updated' early winged B reproducer with the serial number 1113, a Kalamazoo Duplex, and a Polyphone suitcase home. Perhaps next year I will remember to write things down to give a complete description of the show. Don Gfell and his wife were there along with their beautiful wooden horns, the Smiths were there with a lot of nice cylinder records and other items, the Rolfs did exceptionally well selling machines and because of Joan's sunny disposition, the rainy first day was hardly noticed. Don and his wife remind me of the horns they sell, ageless and are the nicest people you will ever meet. I walked the whole day until my feet were sore enjoying the show. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed
Harvey, I think your dog tag idea is quite resourceful, but I was able to buy the ball bearings from Applied Technologies, formerly Detroit Ball Bearing. Perhaps you have a similar outfit near you. Dave --- On Thu, 11/19/09, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com wrote: From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 8:34 PM Hi Rick, I have the parts that you need, except for the ball bearings. On this machine, you can either use a Victor .Exhibition or a Victrola No. 2. Both are acceptable. Let me know which one you want and I can provide you one. I have the correct crank, but there is a chip in the knob. I have the escutcheon you need but it is dirty. Here is what I use for ball bearings: I separate the little balls from a dog tag necklace. They work great. I have been looking for those ball bearings myself. If you are interested I'll let you have the whole deal( with choice of reproducers) for $100, including S/H/I and delivery confirmation. I will will go on base and buy you one of those dog tag necklaces. Let me know off post. Harvey Kravitz From: agw1...@aol.com agw1...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 4:53:15 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed Hello Friends, I have a 1923 VictorolaVV-VI that needs a crank, crank hole escutchion, good used Exhibition reproducer and ball bearings with the ball bearing cage for the arm swivel. The crank must be male threaded and the distance from the crank reciever in the motor to the outside of the case is around 3 inches. Can anyone help me find same? Sincerely. Rick A. Jorgensen GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION http://www.geaaonline.org UNCLE JOSH'S PUN'KINCENTRE STORIES http://www.montanaphonograph.com/unclejosh.html ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Grafonola louver help needed
Did you check with George Vollema? Has a two warehouses full of stuff. He keeps every scrap of veneer and bits and pieces of cabinets. He is a super guy to work with, too. Dave --- On Fri, 9/11/09, est...@localnet.com est...@localnet.com wrote: From: est...@localnet.com est...@localnet.com Subject: [Phono-L] Grafonola louver help needed To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:43 AM Hello- I've just bought a Columbia Princess Grafonola missing it's louvers (see this forum thread for pictures http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=2735) If anyone out there has one of these machines I'm looking for measurements: there's not much hope of finding originals. Eric Stott ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor D ID Plate
I have a Victor D (the fancy case style) and oddly enough, it has that same crank.? I always assumed it was incorrect.? It's probably just a weird coincidence. Dave --- On Fri, 11/21/08, Bob rvu...@comcast.net wrote: From: Bob rvu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor D ID Plate To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 7:11 AM Did anyone notice the crank? This doesn't look like any Victor crank I've ever seen before. I suspect it is not correct for the machine. - Original Message - From: phonol...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor D ID Plate This is a dealer tag. Lyon and Healy did this for a short period. They put their own celluloid tag in place of the Victor dataplate and put the real dataplate inside. On Nov 20, 2008, at 7:16 PM, c5...@aol.com wrote: Has anybody seen the type of ID plate that does not have any serial or model number, like the Victor D on eBay #270305150373? The plate on the front has nothing and the plate on the bottom of the inside has the serial and model. Neither my early or late D has this type ID plate. I have never seen one on the inside. **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/ 10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/? optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.8/1801 - Release Date: 11/20/2008 9:11 AM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From klin...@modex.com Fri Nov 21 18:11:50 2008 From: klin...@modex.com (Bill Klinger) Date: Fri Nov 21 18:12:06 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] ARSC Awards 2009 -- Call for Nominations Message-ID: 9f71045a6bdd48fea9797b2e5b730...@billqbszr49l7m The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections (ARSC) posts the following message. If you have any questions, please click on the link or one of the e-mail addresses below. --- NOMINATIONS for the 2009 ARSC AWARDS FOR EXCELLENCE --- You are invited to propose candidates for the 2009 ARSC Awards for Excellence in Historical Recorded Sound Research. Nominations may be made by anyone, ARSC member or not. The deadline for nominations is January 31, 2009. Eligible publications include any original printed work -- book, monograph, article, liner notes, etc. -- first published during 2008. The work may treat any subject related to recorded sound, but must embody the highest research standards. It should deal primarily with historical subjects, pertaining to periods at least ten years prior to the year of publication, with the exception of works related to modern preservation or playback technology. The ARSC Awards typically recognize histories, discographies, or biographies representing the Best Research in these recording genres: Blues or Gospel Music; Classical Music; Country Music; Folk or Ethnic Music; Jazz; Popular Music; Rock, Rhythm Blues, or Soul; and Spoken Word. Additional categories include: General Research in Recorded Sound; Record Labels or Manufacturers; Phonographs; and Preservation or Reproduction of Recorded Sound. The Awards Committee especially welcomes information concerning eligible journal articles, as well as foreign and small-press publications that might otherwise be overlooked. NOMINATIONS for the ARSC LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT and DISTINGUISHED SERVICE AWARDS The ARSC Lifetime Achievement Award is presented annually to an individual, in recognition of a life's work in research and publication. The ARSC Award for Distinguished Service to Historic Recordings honors a person who has made outstanding contributions to the field, outside of published works or discographic research. Nominations for either of these awards must be received by January 31, 2009. SUBMISSIONS Nominations for the ARSC Awards for Excellence must include the name of each nominee, together with the names of co-authors, the publication title, and the publisher's name and address. Please submit nominations to ONE of the Awards Committee Co-Chairs: Robert Iannapollo Sibley Music Library Eastman School of Music University of Rochester 27 Gibbs St. Rochester, NY 14604-2504 mailto:riannapo...@esm.rochester.edu riannapo...@esm.rochester.edu OR: Roberta Freund Schwartz University of Kansas Archive of Recorded Sound 434 Murphy
[Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal?
I never got a Pay Pal account because most ebay sellers would take a check or money order.? Over the years, I have heard of many problems with Pay Pal.? Have those issues been resolved?? Those of you who use Pay Pal, do you like it? Any advice in this matter is appreciated.? I do sell some non-phono related items once in a while on Ebay, but I am not sure it is worth the risk of using Pay Pal. Dave
[Phono-L] Price for a Columbia AB McDonald
Jean-Paul Agnard in Canada has them. Dave BruceY Bruce78rpm at comcast.net wrote: Thanks for the information. Any idea what phono supply cos. are selling the repro. large Mandrels?? Bruce - Original Message - From: To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Price for a Columbia AB McDonald I agree with Dan. I sold an AB last year, with repro large mandrel and horn, for $2250. A well-known collector was asking $2500 for a nice one, also with repro mandrel and horn. Getting one with original large mandrel and original horn for $1500 was a great buy. However, the current phono market seems depressed, so last year's prices don't apply. Ray - Original Message - From: Daniel Melvin To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Price for a Columbia AB McDonald I think the prices being quoted are quite low for a complete AB McDonald. 3 years ago the common price I saw was more like $2100. I would say $1500 was a steal and not usual. This is based on Ebay and Union sales I'm familiar with. Dan On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Bob wrote: Hi Bruce, I don't know how you find so many goodies. I think a complete AB McDonald with both mandrels is worth about 1200 to 1500 dollars. A Columbia model B in good shape goes for about $400. Therefore, without the larger mandrel and the correct aluminum horn I would say the one you are looking at would be worth between $700 and $1000. Obviously, I would pay little more If I had a source for the larger mandrel. You might check with the dealers on this list to see if a mandrel is available and what it costs. I don't think anyone makes a reproduction mandrel. We have an excellent machinist in the mocaps group and I bet he could turn one for you. Bob - Original Message - From: BruceY To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Price for a Columbia AB McDonald I have a chance to buy a Columbia AB (MacDonald) Graphophone in excellent condition. It does not have the large slip on Mandrel to play the Concert Cylinders, but everything else is there, and cabinet is in beautiful shape, and it is in running condition. Serial Number is early in the run 752110. There is a strange little 10 by 4 wide black horn that comes with it which I think is probably off market. What sort of price would you estimate this AB (MacDonald) would be fair?? I looked on ebay and none have sold in the past month or so. Thanks in advance, Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1546 - Release Date: 7/11/2008 6:47 AM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Edison Standard B question
The horn color looks like a repro to me. The odd thing is, it looks like it has the correct bead on the outside where the bell joins the neck. It is hard to tell from the angle shown, but my vote is that it is repro. The carriage makes no sense except maybe this machine lost the original one and someone stuck this one on. The correct carriage would be easy to find. Dave Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net wrote: Hi - someone had sent me some pictures of an Edison Standard they are looking to potentially sell. I have posted one of the pictures on my website at: http://www.majesticrecord.com/standard.htm It's a Model B but has the horizontal carriage with large eye. I'm not an expert on this but I'd like to confirm that no other modification needed to be done to put this carriage on the Model B. It's a Model C reproducer, unfortunately with a broken hinge pin. Any comments on age of horn? Is this a reproduction? Why would someone set it up this way other than that this was the only carriage available to them at the time so that's what was used. It has been this way since at least 1981. Thanks, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Edison Standard B question
It also looks like it has been refinished. Dave Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net wrote: Hi - someone had sent me some pictures of an Edison Standard they are looking to potentially sell. I have posted one of the pictures on my website at: http://www.majesticrecord.com/standard.htm It's a Model B but has the horizontal carriage with large eye. I'm not an expert on this but I'd like to confirm that no other modification needed to be done to put this carriage on the Model B. It's a Model C reproducer, unfortunately with a broken hinge pin. Any comments on age of horn? Is this a reproduction? Why would someone set it up this way other than that this was the only carriage available to them at the time so that's what was used. It has been this way since at least 1981. Thanks, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Grill for Amberola 75
Tom Rutkowski has a website now. Check out grampstreasures.com for pictures and prices of everything he makes. Dave michael funk f...@insightbb.com wrote: Hi, I need a mahogany grill for an Amberola 75. Does anyone have on for sale or know who makes reproductions? Thanks in advance for your help, Suellen ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] removing turn table cleaning lead screw half nut
General Motors Heat Riser spray is an effective and fast penetrating oil. Dave cdra...@ipa.net wrote: I have a Victor VV IV table top that the turn table does not want to come off. Any suggestions? Also what is a good method of cleaning the lead screw and half nut on an Edison cylinder machine? Thanks in advance, Charles cdra...@ipa.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Storage... wound or unwound... that is the question
We discussed this last year, I think. Some feel that letting the machine run down after every use just adds wear to the mechanism. Others disputed the idea that a wound up spring can develop a set to it after a long period. I don't know what you call a long period of non-use. I have restored phonos that have been sitting in attics for over 50 years and found many to have a viable spring after all that time. I don't know if this will be helpful or not. Dave Dazer coturn...@aol.com wrote: What is the general consensus on leaving your machines wound or unwound between long periods of non-use? I know that there are several thoughts on this, but what is the best practice? Thanks! ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Slip-In Elbow
I have a late V-II and it uses a slip in elbow. Does you machine use a bullet brake or the later type like on Victrolas? Dave Silverman, Adam M. asilver...@wolfblock.com wrote: I was told the slip-in elbow was used on Victor II machines, but I don't know this for sure. I've done some research and my best guess is that I have a His Master's Voice Junior Monarch II, made in England. Not sure of the date. -Original Message- From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 3:00 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 2, Issue 221 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Pathe Phonographs (Robert Plavzic) 2. My new Zonophone (Robert Plavzic) 3. Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 2, Issue 219 (zonophone2...@aol.com) 4. Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 2, Issue 219 (Steven Medved) 5. Re: Wonderful Windups (Dan Kj-) 6. Seeking Slip-In Horn Elbow for Victor II (Silverman, Adam M.) 7. Re: Seeking Slip-In Horn Elbow for Victor II (Andrew Baron) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 20:28:54 + From: Robert Plavzic Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pathe Phonographs To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hello Try www.romfi.com, there is the largest selection that I have seen (could be larger though the database seems to be still increasing as people add info). I do not remember the price overview to be too complete eithr, though the potential is there. What model did you wish to know about particularly? regards Rob From: patk...@comcast.net Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List To: Antique Phonograph List , Subject: [Phono-L] Pathe Phonographs Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:03:46 + Hi all!, Does anyone know of a good reference for Pathe phonographs? I'm looking for models, pictures and current values. Thanks, Pat ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 20:58:04 + From: Robert Plavzic Subject: [Phono-L] My new Zonophone To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hello Was very happy to pick up an unusual model. Have a look at http://www.zonophone.netfirms.com (Machines) its in the 1903 group Zonophone Tall Case Side Start (Larger model France). The case is superb - excluding of course the usual worm holes. on 2 sides it has a very involved marquetry with walnut inlay. Unfortunately the machine is at the moment only case - motor - turntable. The front mount arm is very similar to the MS special arm. Does anyone know the history of Zonophone France, as they seem to have made machines specifically for the french market that were not mainstream Zonophone - though the transfer was? thanks Rob -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 16:14:40 EST From: zonophone2...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 2, Issue 219 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: 233.9e23f2.30a11...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII hi all the smythes are great people to deal with and very honest happy collecting -- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:54:27 -0500 From: Steven Medved Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 2, Issue 219 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The Smiths are one of the few people who make parts of outstanding quality. Steve I can vouch for the quality of the parts at www.wwindups.com. I got a bracket for my Victor 9-16 and it was superb. Bruce -- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:15:24 -0500 From: Dan Kj- Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wonderful Windups To: Antique Phonograph List Message-ID: 000701c5e3f9$84cbfc90$6400a...@lap Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Indeed! Their $50 Orthophonic bracket (a bit more now, I think) made my $25 Credenza into a thing of beauty (well, a thing of utility - it was as beautiful as it will ever get ) - Original Message - From: Steven Medved To: Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 2, Issue 219 The Smiths are one of the few people who make parts of outstanding quality. Steve I can vouch for the quality of the parts at www.wwindups.com. I got a bracket for my Victor 9-16 and it
[Phono-L] shelves for herzog cabinet
If you find out who it is, please post it to the list. I would rather buy them than go through the trouble of making them myself. Not much spare time these days. Dave genec...@aol.com wrote: I am new to this list, so please forgive me if I goof up. I am trying to locate a man that was set up at the Union show, he was making shelves for the half barrell herzog cabinets he was set up in the back room on the back wall as you went outside, anyone who might know of this man please let me know. Thanks Gene genec...@aol.com. ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Styli...
I don't deal with Dwayne much, but in those cases that I have, I never resented the illegal extra charge for using a credit card. I know that it is illegal, but I figure it is worth the convenience to know that it will be shipped out that same day or the next. I actually think he is easier to get in contact with because he is on the west coast. With the three hour time difference, I can call him after I get out of work and he is still open. Dave Dazer Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: What is Wyatt's selling them for now? I only deal with Wyatt's out of desperation. They are hard to reach for and east coaster with their phone hours and lack of on-line ordering, Plus, they (illegally) charge a surcharge for credit card use so I have to have extra cash on hand, send them a check wait for the check to get there, probably wait for the check to clear and then wait for the item to be shipped. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]on Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 12:00 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styli... As far as I know Expert is the only one who makes new DD stylus and it comes already mounted in the bar. The reason Wyatt lowered the price is Expert uses the old bar and gives a discount when you send them old bars. Most dealers will give you $5 for an old bar. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Alva on eBay
Hi Steve, I noticed the oak case seemed to be new oak. The grain pattern is poorly matched and it just has a very new look to it. Dave Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6585961775 http://tinyurl.com/9k66c I have questions. Did the Alva always have a raised lower bedplate like the opera and idelia? Did the Alva ever have an ID plate that said Triumph? Were LEFT OVER MODEL B's WERE RECASED IN OAK CASES WITH NO LID OR THE EDISON BANNER TO BE SOLD BY OTHER PHONOGRAPH COMPANIES. I know Edison made model B's and D's at the same time Ref page 345 346 Frow book Chapter 29. This is why some home B's have decals like the home D. Edison never wasted, but I have never heard of this, and I notice the trademark is still on the upper and lower bedplate. Did Model B phonographs ever come from the Edison factory with the 2/4 upgrade installed? The new oak case seems a convenient way to get rid of the crank hole. I do not know the seller, nor am I making fun of him as he probably got the phono this way and is relaying what he was told. I will not write sellers as some are incredibly rude and I want to learn and share info, not argue. The last time I wrote an Edison console seller telling him what phono he had since he did not know he was horrible so I no longer waste my time. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Alva on eBay
Steve, What you did is an old time furniture refinishing trick that is worth remembering. I assume that you let the old, dark, gunky shellac soak into the new wood and then removed it with the Formby's prior to staining? Dave Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Hi Dave, I agree, when I had to replace the corner on my Triumph I found out what new oak looked like. I was amazed at what they call oak today. I finally found some quarter sawn oak. I stripped the case using Formby's Furniture Restorer as it removes shellac without stripping. I then soaked the new piece in the old shellac I removed and it colored the new wood so it now matches and you cannot tell it is a new piece. Steve Hi Steve, I noticed the oak case seemed to be new oak. The grain pattern is poorly matched and it just has a very new look to it. Dave ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Correction to my In The Groove Column - Berliner Book
Just a side note, I have the book and really enjoy it. It's probably about as close as I will ever come to owning a Berliner! Mark is a great guy and a super writer. Dave srsel...@aol.com wrote: I wanted to alert you to a typographical error in my column in In The Groove for August. The price for the book The Berliner Gramophone: An Illustrated History by Mark Caruana-Dingli and published by Canadian collector Domenic DiBernardo was incorrectly listed. The price is $29.00 plus $4.00 shipping to the US. For shipping elsewhere in the world, you can email Domenic at: _bett...@sympatico.ca_ (mailto:bett...@sympatico.ca) The correction will be in my September column but I wanted to get the correct price out ASAP. Thanks! Steve Ramm ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Coin operated Edison home phonograph from Dutch Guesthouse
But, it includes upon request a full needle tin and 3 records! Dave Dazer Robert Plavzic plav...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello yes, well. quite imaginative http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=10624item=2274704605rd=1 _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20041004/db55ea15/attachment.html From est...@localnet.com Mon Oct 4 11:48:26 2004 From: est...@localnet.com (Eric Stott) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:50 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Coin operated Edison home phonograph from Dutch Guesthouse References: bay13-f23pgbfqtnrrx3...@hotmail.com Message-ID: 002201c4aa42$bbb5bdf0$43e6f...@s0027474218 In the English language there is a tradition for applying the adjective Dutch to an inferior substitute. (Dutch metal= imitation gold leaf, Dutch Concert= bad music, Dutch Courage= Liquor). Perhaps Dutch Edison might be a new term for these pieces of crap. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: Robert Plavzic plav...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 9:49 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Coin operated Edison home phonograph from Dutch Guesthouse Hello yes, well. quite imaginative http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=10624item=2274704605rd=1 _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l
[Phono-L] Phono Auction
I plan to go, since it is only a 2 hour drive for me. It's always nice to visit, even if I don't come home with somethng. Dave Phillip Sands sinatrafang...@yahoo.com wrote: Anybody here going the Thanksgiving phono auction in Charlotte, MI? They have it every year and it seems the prices go up every year.. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] the Herzog cabinet lock
A locksmith may be able to repair it for you. Also, locks are available from antique restorer's catalogs like Van Dyke's. Dave Carter, Keith keith.car...@hq.doe.gov wrote: Hello David, I thought about a locksmith in case I might need a new lock itself. I'm going to several flee markets this weekend that have venders with keys. I have a feeling the problem might be in the lock itself. I can lock it but won't unlock. Have to push it down with my finger. Luckily I took out the lock from the cabinet before playing with it. The Herzog cabinet I have looks just like the one listed in Antique Phonograph, Accessories Contraptions, Page 205, Picture 4-94 and 4-95. I figured if I took the lock itself to the flee markets I could try hands-on there if the key worked or not. Thanks, keith ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com From Keith.Carter Fri May 21 11:30:31 2004 From: Keith.Carter (Carter, Keith) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:40 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] the Herzog cabinet lock Message-ID: 97c7ef59a387d6118a8a000802564c4603169...@hqgtnexch1.hr.doe.gov David, Thanks, I will have to look into the locksmith. I really think it's more of a lock problem. I had cut down some on the edge off the back side of an old barrel key, so it would fit into the hole.last night. It works to lock, but won't unlock. So maybe it's just the lock itself. Thanks, keith From john9ten Fri May 21 11:49:19 2004 From: john9ten (john robles) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:41 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] the Herzog cabinet lock In-Reply-To: 97c7ef59a387d6118a8a000802564c4603169...@hqgtnexch1.hr.doe.gov Message-ID: 20040521164917.34230.qm...@web81008.mail.yahoo.com You might try some graphite spray. There is one called Lock-Eze, but WD-40 is pretty much the same thing. I have worked wonders with stuborn locks with this stuff. Also, antique restorers sell blank barrel keys where you cut the slots as needed, I think Van Dyke's sells those to. John Robles Carter, Keith keith.car...@hq.doe.gov wrote: David, Thanks, I will have to look into the locksmith. I really think it's more of a lock problem. I had cut down some on the edge off the back side of an old barrel key, so it would fit into the hole.last night. It works to lock, but won't unlock. So maybe it's just the lock itself. Thanks, keith ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com From Keith.Carter Fri May 21 11:49:46 2004 From: Keith.Carter (Carter, Keith) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:41 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] the herzog cabinet Message-ID: 97c7ef59a387d6118a8a000802564c4603169...@hqgtnexch1.hr.doe.gov David, Just talked to a locksmith . Said would charge me about $10.00 for a key to fit. So I'm planning on taking the lock to him after work and hope he can fix me up with one. He said it didn't sound like a lock problem, just a key. Thanks, keith From smille1 Fri May 21 11:53:32 2004 From: smille1 (Sean Miller) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:41 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] the Herzog cabinet lock Message-ID: 13334320.1085159414968.javamail.administra...@atp It's very possible you're using the wrong key Keith. I made the mistake of locking mine up and couldn't unlock it. Imagine my angst not being able to get to my cabinet full of Grand Prize Victors and Zonophones for weeks! It took me a month to find the right key! My cabinets both use single cut keys, not the more common double cuts you find. I now have a number of single cut keys, but many of them won't work because the locks in Herzog cabinets take a smaller key even though the cut is the same, you need one that has a small end on it, thinner and narrower than most. Sean On Fri, 21 May 2004 12:30:24 -0400 Carter, Keith keith.car...@hq.doe.gov wrote. David, Thanks, I will have to look into the locksmith. I really think it's more of a lock problem. I had cut down some on the edge off the back side of an old barrel key, so it would fit into the hole.last night. It works to lock, but won't unlock. So maybe it's just the lock itself. Thanks, keith ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] Key for Herzog record cabinet
Glad it all worked out. I wonder what else you might have run into while running around flea markets looking for a key. :) Dave Carter, Keith keith.car...@hq.doe.gov wrote: Hello List, I want to thank everyone who helped me solve finding a key to fit my Herzog. I happen to just catch a locksmith before he closed up, who has a shop 2 blocks away yesterday evening after work. Bruce, thanks for the scan image you sent me. I showed the locksmith and he came up with a key that he only had to file down some so it would fit into the hole. The key fits nicely and works great. I plan on going back to get another one made as a spare later. The total charge for the key was $5.00. Can't beat that. Saved me running around looking in flee markets. Thanks again List, keith ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com From bjohnson Thu May 27 10:58:45 2004 From: bjohnson (bob johnson) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:42 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] help Message-ID: 40b61016.3c.00...@karen I am looking for someone who can transport an upright Victrola from NYC to Union next month...of course I'd be happy to pay for the service...anybody out there who can help? Thanks, Bob Johnson From batwings78rpm Thu May 27 19:43:11 2004 From: batwings78rpm (Douglas E. Curran) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:42 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Scam on Victor 6 Message-ID: e1btvsn-0006zz...@smtp04.mrf.mail.rcn.net fyi, Victor 6 scam seller has been suspended by eBay. Tnx Rgds. DEC --
[Phono-L] Speaking of low serial numbers...
Well, I guess you win! Yours is lower and sounds just like mine with the hold down and pins on the speed control. Dave Ken Brekke k...@g2a.net wrote: The Victor D that I was fortunate enough to get has a serial number of 236. It also has a threaded spindle for a record hold down and two pins on either side of the speed control to keep your fingers from hitting the turntable. I would think it is odd for a 12 inch turntable to have a record hold down spindle but other early Ds that I have seen have it also. Ken Brekke - Original Message - From: David Dazer To: Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 6:32 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Speaking of low serial numbers... I have a Victor D (fancy case) with a serial number of 302. Does anyone have one lower than that? Dave Dazer ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com From kbab Sat Mar 6 19:05:45 2004 From: kbab (Ken Brekke) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:35 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Speaking of low serial numbers... References: 20040307005242.90685.qm...@web80004.mail.yahoo.com Message-ID: 001101c403e0$52dd29c0$e4d4b...@oemcomputer Don't fret Dave. I am sure that there are 235 other Phono-L members out there that can beat mine. My Victor VI is odd also in that it is stamped VNO6 with a serial number of 1216. Ken Brekke - Original Message - From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net To: Antique Phonograph List phon...@oldcrank.com Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Speaking of low serial numbers... Well, I guess you win! Yours is lower and sounds just like mine with the hold down and pins on the speed control. Dave Ken Brekke k...@g2a.net wrote: The Victor D that I was fortunate enough to get has a serial number of 236. It also has a threaded spindle for a record hold down and two pins on either side of the speed control to keep your fingers from hitting the turntable. I would think it is odd for a 12 inch turntable to have a record hold down spindle but other early Ds that I have seen have it also. Ken Brekke - Original Message - From: David Dazer To: Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 6:32 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Speaking of low serial numbers... I have a Victor D (fancy case) with a serial number of 302. Does anyone have one lower than that? Dave Dazer ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] standard talking x and x2
Bob, The Smiths make excellent repros of those parts. I see them on Ebay once in a while, too. The X2 is actually marked X2 on the traveling arm. If you need exact lengths of either arm, let me know. Check out www.windups.com for the Smiths. Dav Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote: David: Thanks for the response. I will give it a try as I think I would like to display the morning glory horn over the smaller black trumpet type . If I could find the support arm. traveling arm, elbow, and reproducer for the x2 it would be great. As it is, I am lacking those parts and can only display one machine. If anyone has a contact for those parts, I would appreciate it. Bob - Original Message - From: David Dazer To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] standard talking x and x2 Hi Bob, If I understand your question correctly, yes you can interchange the horns. The Model X has a shorter traveling arm and the shorter, black belled trumpet horn. The X2 has a longer arm and uses the morning glory horn. However, the morning glory horn will work with the shorter arm, just not as well. It might have a tendency to tip a bit. Try it though, What can you lose? Dave Dazer Bob Maffit wrote: Phono Folks: I have a recently acquired Standard Talking Machine model x. It has the trumpeting horn. I also have a model x2 and the morning glory horn( the small Columbia looking pedal black with gold trim). Can I interchange the horns so I can use the support arm, cradle and elbow and reproducer on the x2 with the Columbia morning glory? I guess to put it simply, are the horns interchangeable? Thanks in advance. Bob ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com From steve_noreen Fri Jul 2 09:50:02 2004 From: steve_noreen (Steven Medved) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:45 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] standard talking x and x2 References: 20040702101850.21548.qm...@web81706.mail.yahoo.com Message-ID: bay4-dav79u4eacwu0z7...@hotmail.com The Smiths and this place that make Exhibition flanges http://www.rmrmfg.com/phono.html are the only excellent reproduction parts I know of. It seems to me that the quality of most reproduction parts has declined. Steve Bob, The Smiths make excellent repros of those parts. I see them on Ebay once in a while, too. The X2 is actually marked X2 on the traveling arm. If you need exact lengths of either arm, let me know. Check out www.windups.com for the Smiths. Dav Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote: David: Thanks for the response. I will give it a try as I think I would like to display the morning glory horn over the smaller black trumpet type . If I could find the support arm. traveling arm, elbow, and reproducer for the x2 it would be great. As it is, I am lacking those parts and can only display one machine. If anyone has a contact for those parts, I would appreciate it. Bob - Original Message - From: David Dazer To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] standard talking x and x2 Hi Bob, If I understand your question correctly, yes you can interchange the horns. The Model X has a shorter traveling arm and the shorter, black belled trumpet horn. The X2 has a longer arm and uses the morning glory horn. However, the morning glory horn will work with the shorter arm, just not as well. It might have a tendency to tip a bit. Try it though, What can you lose? Dave Dazer Bob Maffit wrote: Phono Folks: I have a recently acquired Standard Talking Machine model x. It has the trumpeting horn. I also have a model x2 and the morning glory horn( the small Columbia looking pedal black with gold trim). Can I interchange the horns so I can use the support arm, cradle and elbow and reproducer on the x2 with the Columbia morning glory? I guess to put it simply, are the horns interchangeable? Thanks in advance. Bob ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http
[Phono-L] standard talking x and x2
Tipsy or not, I think the morning glory horn looks nicer than the black belled one. Dave Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote: David: I swapped it all around and it works. You are right, it is a little tipsy. It will work for now. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: David Dazer To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 4:18 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] standard talking x and x2 Bob, The Smiths make excellent repros of those parts. I see them on Ebay once in a while, too. The X2 is actually marked X2 on the traveling arm. If you need exact lengths of either arm, let me know. Check out www.windups.com for the Smiths. Dav Bob Maffit wrote: David: Thanks for the response. I will give it a try as I think I would like to display the morning glory horn over the smaller black trumpet type . If I could find the support arm. traveling arm, elbow, and reproducer for the x2 it would be great. As it is, I am lacking those parts and can only display one machine. If anyone has a contact for those parts, I would appreciate it. Bob - Original Message - From: David Dazer To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] standard talking x and x2 Hi Bob, If I understand your question correctly, yes you can interchange the horns. The Model X has a shorter traveling arm and the shorter, black belled trumpet horn. The X2 has a longer arm and uses the morning glory horn. However, the morning glory horn will work with the shorter arm, just not as well. It might have a tendency to tip a bit. Try it though, What can you lose? Dave Dazer Bob Maffit wrote: Phono Folks: I have a recently acquired Standard Talking Machine model x. It has the trumpeting horn. I also have a model x2 and the morning glory horn( the small Columbia looking pedal black with gold trim). Can I interchange the horns so I can use the support arm, cradle and elbow and reproducer on the x2 with the Columbia morning glory? I guess to put it simply, are the horns interchangeable? Thanks in advance. Bob ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com From steve_noreen Fri Jul 2 14:59:03 2004 From: steve_noreen (Steven Medved) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:46 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] standard talking x and x2 References: 20040702101850.21548.qm...@web81706.mail.yahoo.combay4-dav79u4eacwu0z7...@hotmail.com 000d01c46069$343ad540$931b9...@maffit Message-ID: bay4-dav206l9x0vjzt8...@hotmail.com Hi Bob, Try this one: http://www.wwindups.com/ or this one: http://tinyurl.com/2aztk Steve Steve: I tried the link for the Smiths, and it wouldn't work. Maybe it is my skills but can't make it work. I will try later.
[Phono-L] Brunswick parts available
I am parting out a Brunswick Panatrope model 8-12 that someone cut the legs off. If you need any parts for one of these for your own project, please let me know. The grill is in great shape. I have doors, a lid, hinges, tone arm, needle holders, horn etc. I plan to keep the motor, but if you really need one, I guess it would be better off in a case than on my parts pile. Dave
[Phono-L] Decals
I think Gregg Cline makes those. I don't have current email address for him. I have two similar ones in my address book, so maybe someone else can supply it. I think I just read that he is out west right now. His decals are wonderful. Dave Larsons larsont...@charter.net wrote: Sorry I did'nt clarify that I needed the decals for the base, not the horn. There was a gold Standard X and a red Standard X decal, I need both. Thanks Randy Larson 608-269-8 larsont...@charter.net ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Video of phono collections - was called The Great Collections
There were about 5 or 6 of these tapes at the Seiter Auction this past weekend. They were in a big plastic tub with other books and the whole tub sold for around $400. Dave srsel...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/10/2006 2:30:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, appywan...@hotmail.com writes: There was a series of video visits to collections made by Mark Ulano of Los Angeles in the late 1980's-early 1990's. Mark is a CAPS member and won an Oscar for sound for 'Titanic'. A few years ago when ARSC was in Santa Barbara for their Conference Mark came down and I asked him if there were plans to reissue the tapes on DVD. He said he thought maybe some day but he was too busy. The project started with an hour long documentary on Phono collectors titled Talking Furniture. It was priced at about $40.00 and was quitre expensive and didn't sell well then. Next came the series of (I think 9 VHs hour long tapes titled The Great Collections at $19.95 each. There was one on Allen K's collection, Howard Hazelcorn's Collection, Ray Phillps Collection, John Woodward's Collection and one titled The Tin Foil Collection. I don't remember the others. I do have the set (well most of them) but haven't played in years. I was really surprised that no one got the rights to reissue on DVD. THey could easily be compressed onto a few DVDs with Indexing by machine. But, again, Mark wasn't interested. And I don't EVER remember these tapes showing up on ebay. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Grandparent Status
Hi Loren, Congratulations! Don't feel bad. I know a woman who became a grandmother at the age of 30. Dave Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote: Genetta I achieved grandparent status today. Alan Hughes arrived at 12:02 p.m. PDT, weighing in at 6 lbs 9 oz. New parents and baby are all doing well. I'm feeling a bit old though ;) Regards, Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] restoration website, must see
Go to www.xrestore.com and check out what this guy can teach you how to do. The section on veneer repair will be of interest to many. Although this is intended for clock restorers, many of the techniques will apply to other items as well. I was so impressed, I bought the CD-ROM from the guy. Dave Dazer
[Phono-L] Idelia SOLD(Al's birthday)
Hi Jim, Sorry to hear you were unable to find the correct site. There is no house built over it though, so all you would have seen is grass. The house burned down right after Edison's dad was evicted. (Draw your own conclusion). We have a nice museum in the old Grand Truck depot that Edison worked out of as a kid. Since it was on private property ( a cement plant owned it) it escaped Urban Renewal in the 60's. Did you buy Dr. Stamp's book on the archeology of the site? The museum has many artifacts that were found, most if it broken pottery and stuff like that. The most exciting find was some printer's type that matched the known examples of the newspaper that Edison printed on the train between Port Huron and Detroit. Look me up if you are ever in this area again and I will show you the site. Dave Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net wrote: I would have loved to see the presentation on Edison's boyhood home in Port Huron. I was there there 9 years ago on Edison's 150th birthday. I was baffled that I could not find it. Eventually after several hours, I finally gathered enough info to discover that someone's new house was sitting right on top of Edison's, without even a marker to show it. I did find a marker in a nearby park that said Edison's site was in the neighborhood. It wasn't until I bought a book at the Port Huron museum that I was able to narrow in on the correct spot, within a house or two. Jim On Feb 11, 2006, at 7:57 PM, David Dazer wrote: At the Edison Depot Museum we had lots of activities. The archaeologist who excavated his boyhood home gave a presentation ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Inquiry on Lavtor Phonograph
Sounds like it was made for use in wash rooms! Dave bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: Does anyone know anything about this odd named phonograph? If so, please send it to the list and I will forward your information to this lady. Thanks Bruce Hello, I was wondering if you knew anything about an old phonograph with the brand name on it Lavtor made out of Indiana. I can't seem to find anything about this make and model, if you can be of any help, please let me know. Thanks for your time. Wendy ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Need your help
I can help you out. Please email me off list with your address. Dave Dazer bigal1...@aol.com wrote: My quest for the missing parts for my AB MacDonald is coming along slowly, I have located a reproducer, and have a slip on concert mandrel on order, but the last item I need is the key shaped wingnut that allows the mandrel to be repositioned. Dwayne Wyatt said the thought he could make one for me if he had a dimensionally correct drawing of an original. If one of you with an AB would be willing to do a tracing of your wingnut and either send, fax or e-mail it to me, I would really appreciate it. Also I am looking for an old O reproducer, I don't care what shape the body is in as long as the turnover stylus bar works and is complete. If anyone has one they are willing to sell please contact me at bigal1...@aol.com. Thanks for your time. Alan Christensen Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Trademarks and Ad Campaigns
Your point is interesting. In my experience, it is younger people who tend to be more interested in new technology. Older folks often believe that since they never needed it in the past, they don't need it now. Do you think things were different a hundred years ago? Perhaps Edison saw his target market as old people and that is why the old couple was used in ads. Just sort of thinking about this out loud. Dave Dazer estott est...@localnet.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Andrew Baron To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:32 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Trademarks and Ad Campaigns I think about the success of that Victor trademark in relation to Edison's Old Couple, which possibly did more to actually guarantee a LACK of acceptance among the younger generation of early 20th century phonograph buyers than the his choice of recording material. Likewise the Looking for the Band image of the little boy about to chop into a phonograph- it gives the impression that the machine is a disposable toy. Eric Stott ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Phonomobile for sale
I'd like to hear the story of the $75 Columbia AB. Dave DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: It's a stretch but here goes...1997 Ford PU for sale. It's has an extended cab, long box, matching canopy, air, electric windows, door locks, keyless remote, am/fm cassette, 3/4 ton, 2WD, V8, low (61,000) miles and in perfect condition inside out. Have I lost you PhonoNuts yet? Here's the best part...it knows the way from Oregon to Union and back! It knows how to find the best antique shops in Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri, Kansas, Colorado, Illinois, Wisconsin others. Last year on the way to Union, it drove us to a $75 Columbia AB McDonald and a golden oak bombay sided Sonora on the way home. The price for my PhonoFriends is only $8,000 plus 10% of the value of phono items that it finds for you. It's really a nice truck. If interested, please call 541-990-0781 or contact me off list. Thanks, Jerry Blais Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] AB McDonald
Great story! Thanks for sharing it. I almost never stop anywhere on the way to Union because I figure somebody has already been there before me and picked up anything worth while. Your story makes me reconsider this strategy. Dave DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: Here's the gospel truth on the AB McDonald...Last year I traveled to Union with Alan Christensen. It was rather slim pickings until we were almost to Union and we stopped at a shop in Illinois. Inside the shop were several neat things including a $150 RCA chair, a couple of $35 Vogues and tucked away in the far corner was the AB. It was priced at $125 (not sure about this exact price) and we expected there to be nothing under the lid. To our surprise, it was missing only the key, large mandrel, reproducer and a few other minor parts. Al and I arm wrestled for it and he is not called Big Al for nothing. He really should be called Cheap Al because he asked for a dealer discount and got it for $75. I suggested that he use the $50 for a bus ticket home but we finished the trip and had a great time. I did buy the RCA chair and the Vogues but the AB McDonald was the buy of the trip. A PhonoNut should really consider the truck. It will occasionally pull to the right. When it does, you should take the next exit because there's probably an antique shop with a treasure. I've found an Edison Doll, black Lamberts, an Edison Concert and a BS coinslot all between Oregon and Union. I'm only selling the truck because I can't afford all the treasures that it takes me to! Happy Collecting, Jerry Blais Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Maroon/Black Gem Amberola V
Is the black paint that shows through flat like a primer or does it have a shine, like the Gem paint? Dave Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net wrote: Is there any chance that Edison just decided to use black primer under the maroon paint? Jim On Nov 29, 2006, at 9:14 AM, DeeDee Blais wrote: I checked, and as Greg posted, the C Gem body is quite a bit different than the D body. I had always assumed that they were identical or nearly so. There is no doubt in my mind about the maroon paint being original and it has the Edison decal (also old). The maroon paint is very nice but on the few blemishes, black paint is underneath. I can only assume that it was painted black in error and then corrected at the factory. I enjoy the oddity and have appreciated the different views expressed here. The machine will probably be at Union so more list members can give me their two cents worth. Anything that I post is out there and public knowledge so anyone is welcome to repeat a good story or a topic. ThanksHappy Collecting, Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
