Re: Plucker on PalmGear (was: Version numbers)
ARG! I hate my ISP! I've been getting a few emails from users about the new website, so I've adjusted and fixed a couple of things: alt tags are now referencing proper information, the download page now has an updated section and screenshot for plucker 1.1 (not just the news blurb), and the mailto section on the contact page has been updated to verbosely list the list names, and how to subscribe to them. Dirk, people have also been emailing me that your site is down. How can we fix this? A large percentage of our users run Windows with Plucker, so we should get that up there fast. I'll put it on my server if you're having local problem with your provider (or if anyone else has it, lemme know where it is, and I'll relocate it so users can download it). Anything other issues? -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:27:38 -0800 (PST) From: David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Plucker Development List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Plucker on PalmGear (was: Version numbers) our web site for the full package (just waiting for the 1.1 packages to be available on the web site:) I need a write-up/blurb for the official 1.1 release and I need Dirk to fix his website so I can point to the new code he has from the article. If someone else wants to volunteer to handle the PalmGear account then let me know and I will send you the login and password ;-) I've got one there, as well as on Freshmeat. /d
Re: Plucker 1.1 on Palmgear
Just looked at Plucker 1.1 on Palmgear again. Nice to see a screenshot. Although I don't suspect many users will try to download it, because according to Palmgear, the archive is 176733 KB big, when it actually only is 173KB. Hey, what a coincidence, that's 176733 bytes. :) Unfortunately... that's not a field I can edit, unless I delete the application and re-add it. Their edit and modify forms leave quite a lot to be desired. groan. /d
Re: Problem with -E option with Spider.py
The version of Spider.py I have is $Id: Spider.py,v 1.37 ... $ which came with Plucker V1.1SR1.exe for Windows. P.S. Could a --version option be put into Spider.py? There was a minor update to the Windows package. SR2 is now available from the website (click the same link you did to get SR1 from the downloads page). The -E directive shouldn't "add" the exclusion to the existing exclusionlist.txt, it should simply override it's use. Let me test for a sec to see (running it as root so I can point to a user's exclusion file): plucker-build -E /home/hacker/.plucker/exclusionlist.txt -f /tmp/Bellairs -H "http://www.compleatbellairs.com/pigwidgeon/" --zlib-compression --bpp=4 --maxdepth=2 Working for pluckerdir /root/.plucker ZLib compression turned on Using exclusion list /root/.plucker/exclusionlist.txt Using exclusion list /root/.plucker/exclusionlist.txt Adding extra exclusion list /home/hacker/.plucker/exclusionlist.txt Processing http://www.compleatbellairs.com/pigwidgeon/. Seemed to work here. Are you sure you're putting it in the right place and that your path is right? Paths with spaces should be quoted, such as: -E "C:\Program Files\exclusionlist.txt" Also, make sure your filenames if they are longer than 8.3 use the Windows tilde notation: exclusionlist.txt would be: exclus~1.txt on Windows. Hope that helps. /d
Re: Using plucker with maps
Clientside image maps would be ideal, but I don't suppose plucker supports this. Does anybody have an idea for this? Not exactly sure what you want here. What would clicking on a client-side imagemap on the Palm actually do? Zoom in? Open a menu? Download a new map? If you can give me an idea of what your client application should do, I can probably offer some suggestions. /d
Re: Any suggestions on using Plucker for Slashdot?
to every users of Plucker I'm also requesting beta-users. If you want to join the party of developping Plucker Scooper, answer now ! /to every users of Plucker Let's work together on this, because I have an application already in place that does what you have here, but it also currently builds a pdb out of the content. I also have the site previewed in the browser in the same font/size/shape as a 160x160 Palm image, so people can see how it will look when transferred. Hit me in private email. /d
Plucker FAQ updated (website and cvs)
Plucker FAQ is now online on the website, and I made some changes to the one in the cvs as well. The plan: To have one file, one FAQ, and all instances of it represented in various places (website, pdb version, cvs, source) will all come from the same source file. To that end, I'm going to be making small layout changes to the way the FAQ is currently written. It's legibility will not change, but it will make it much easier for tools to parse it when there aren't various instances of '*_*_*_*' and '===' and so on to denote sections and headings. This way, the FAQ can be a direct link to the most-updated-copy, without having to hand-modify hrefs and entity tags in the raw text of the FAQ every time an update is needed. I'm working on the bug reporting system next, but first... I'm going to the beach =) A few things were in the FAQ which I didn't yet touch, and some things were missing (i.e. the problems we've had with the TRG headers, people who want to build the non-color viewer, but can't because it keeps looking for headers which don't exist, etc.) and some other things. I'll poke around and see what I can come up with to fix all of those over the next few days. If anyone finds bugs (and I'm sure I typo'd somewhere), let me know, so I can go ahead and fix them right away. Thanks. /d
Re: XHTML tags
This works ok for the most part, but as you might know all tags in XML/XHTML must be properly closed. I.e. the BR tag must either be written BR/BR or more commonly used the shorthand form BR/ or sometimes BR /. XML and XHTML are quite different standards, though some of their content overlaps. In XML and XHTML though, the only officially allowed tag (from where I've read) for self-closing elements is FOO /, but not FOO /FOO or FOO/. Just an FYI. Note though, that in XML, you can call your tags anything you want, since they are not HTML. You can use BREAK../BREAK or BREAK /, but for XHTML, you have to use hr /, br /, img src=... / and so on. If the full expanded tag is used plucker displays one break (line feed) and the /BR tag. If using the shorthand form plucker does'nt display any break but the tag BR/. I can see why it would be confused. Currently the parser doesn't speak XHTML tags, and the '/' may be confusing it, since normally that prefaces the actual closing element: a href.. foo /a ^ Is there a way to make plucker interpret the BR/BR, BR/ and BR / tags as just normal BR ? You could add a quick hack to regex them out of the content if you wanted to, or perhaps someone could add expat support to the Python parser, so it can handle these natively. Hand-rolling HTML and XML parsers is a pain in the rear. I rely on Perl's modules to handle all of that for me, SO much easier than doing it the Python way. /d
Re: Local HTML pages
Working for pluckerdir D:\Program Files\Plucker\Default.DB Processing i:\sfnew\html\index.htm. 0 collected, 0 still to do Retrieved failed: 404 -- [Errno url error] unknown url type: 'i' ^ There's your clue. You're not using the right syntax to point to the local URL on your drive. A local file on a Windows machine should be in the form: A HREF=C:\temp\index.htmlLink/a not a href=file:C:\temp\index.htmlLink/a or a href=file://C:\temp\index.htmlLink/a There is nothing I can determine about why this should fail, except that it seems unable to cope with an HREF which is on the same directory as the index.htm file. If this is so, it doesn't make any sense, because it violates the HTTP spec on relative paths. You're not using HTTP when you use file:// /d
Plucker Bug Tracking System
The Bug Tracking system is now live. It is a sitewide bug tracking system, so please make sure you're posting the right bug to the right project in the system. You can find it by clicking on the 'Bugs' link on the left navigation bar of the main Plucker site. If you have any troubles, problems or other issues, please let me know. Once you log in, a direct link to the Plucker project is: http://www.gnu-designs.com/bugs/set_project.php?f_project_id=002 Good luck, and happy bug hunting! /d
Re: Grayscale on Handspring Visor and handling of maxdepth?
The Visor does not seem to accept 4-grayscale (2bpp) images, it only
shows them in black-and-white (although I set colour depth to 2 in the
Preferences) and stretched by a factor of 2 vertically (so I can only
see the left half of the image).
I have a Visor Deluxe, and although the battery life on the Visor is
atroscious, it definately displays 2bpp greyscale properly. The stretched
image is a hint that you're probably using a --max{width|height} value
somewhere or an --alt{maxwidth|maxheight} value. I've never seen images
stretched on Plucker at all, unless I screwed up those two values.
As you probably figured out, PalmOS versions before 3.0 only
supported monochrome in APIs. Palm OS versions 3.0 through 3.3 somewhat
supported 2 bit gray. Palm OS 3.5 and above supports up to 8 bit for devices
that support it. Your Visor is running 3.1H, modified a bit for Handspring's
hardware.
That being said, let's go through a quick debug:
1. Are you running any hacks on your Visor? Any SysTrap() calls?
2. What version of Plucker?
What version of the parser?
What version of Python?
What version of netpbm2/PIL/ImageMagick?
3. What is the URL you're gathering, and what are the parameters
you're passing to it to gather it?
4. What OS on your host computer? Windows? Solaris? OS/2? Linux?
5. What does your ~/.pluckerrc look like? Are you overriding
parameters in ~/.pluckerrc by passing the parser arguments when
you run it?
With those answers, we can better diagnose what might be going on.
I am certain that my Visor can display 4 grayscales, the Handspring
About or Info windows display grayscales.
This may help:
http://www.palmos.com/dev/tech/hardware/compare.html
I have tried various combinations of netpbm and ImageMagick and the
--bpp option, but could not achieve a satisfying result.
You mean netpbm2, right? You don't see 'ppmtoTbmp' trying to run
anywhere, do you? Are your netpbm2 palm templates working? Are they in the
right place to be found by netpbm2? For example (in .pluckerrc)
palm1bit_graymap_file = /usr/lib/palmgray1.map
palm2bit_graymap_file = /usr/lib/palmgray2.map
palm4bit_graymap_file = /usr/lib/palmgray4.map
palm8bit_stdcolormap_file = /usr/lib/palmcolor8.map
palm16bit_stdcolormap_file = /usr/lib/palmcolor16.map
You'll only need the first two since your Visor will not support
more colors/levels of grey than that.
The other problem is the handling of the maxdepth flag (-M or MAXDEPTH
directive in HREFs). With a maxdepth of 1, it only seems to download the
specified page but not to follow any links, but with maxdepth=2 it seems
to craw an additional 2 levels down the tree. I would want it to only
follow one additional level, but I cannot seem to manage that. What am I
missing here?
Currently, a maxdepth value of 1 will download the page referenced.
A maxdepth of 2 will download that page, and the pages of the links
referenced on it (I still disagree with this numbering, but.. not my call
right now). When you run the parser, and use --maxdepth=1 or --maxdepth=2,
there should only be a 1-page difference in the levels it gathers. It
shouldn't skip any levels, unless there are overriding parameters in either
the URL construct you pass to Plucker, or the ~/.pluckerrc file again. Try
using --maxdepth=2 on the commandline and see if that helps. I've never ever
used the -M at all, so I can't say that it works, but I know --maxdepth
definately does.
Hope that helps.
/d
Server relocation complete
There, that was relatively painless. The server has now been
relocated from one coast to the other (3,051 miles away). Zero downtime.
New things so far:
- MUCH faster access and response time now. Connection is roughly
four times faster than the previous network.
- plkr.{com|net|org} domains route to the same page (it's our
CreatorID, plucker.{com|net|org} were taken, so I registered this
one). The previous domain, plucker.gnu-designs.{com|net|org} still
will work. Someone want to volunteer to go through the docs and
code and change the references to point to plkr.org instead? Or
should we leave it as-is?
- CVS is now directly accessible via cvs.plkr.{com|net|org},
plucker.sourcefubar.{com|net|org} (.com and .org seem to be down
for some reason, routing problem, but .net is up, I've filed an
incident)
- bugs.plkr.{com|net|org} works.
The author of Mantis and I were working on some bugs last night in
the new code. At some point in the near future, I'll roll to that
new codebase. There are a lot of new things waiting in the wings.
The most important for us as developers is the email-only
interface into the system, so we don't have to be in a browser to
update/view/close bugs. There's also a bit of a bug where
bugs.plkr.org brings you to the generic project page. I'm going to
add some code to allow that to bring you right to the Plucker bugs
page. All the data is in one database, so it's not as easy as it
looks to select it. Rasmus, Prescience and myself came up with a
really good idea last night to try on this. More on that later.
- ftp is currently disabled, until I can secure it properly with the
new account system I'm implementing. Mike, I'll pull your releases
from sslug.dk for the moment until that's back online. Once I get
this set back up and locked down, I'll make the releases
accessible via gopher and ftp as well as web.
I'm trying to give the developers a 'Release' page where we can
upload and add a news blurb for releases. Delegation! =)
- cvs-over-ssh for developers, pserver for anonymous users. Much
more secure, and allows the developers to use the box to do builds
and also to change their password. CVS itself doesn't include a
facility to change cvs passwords. This will fix that. chrooting
ssh into a quota'd compile farm has proven to be a bit
interesting. A week or two more and it will be working for
everyone.
cvs for those who are already using it will work as normal, but if
you want to begin to point your $CVSROOT to
cvs.sourcefubar.net:/cvs/plucker, that will be static. You could
also use cvs.plkr.org:/cvs/plucker if you wanted. They both point
to the same thing. I've changed it on the Contact page as well.
I'm also getting the mailing lists aggregated into a search engine.
I've got every single email since the beginning here online, so I'll add
that. Should be a week or three, once all the other services prove to be
stable.
I had the chance to interview Mark Lillywhite the other night, and
will stick the contents of that online as well. Mark, thanks! You may
receive a surprise in the mail soon, once I can figure out how to ship it
down there.
If there's anything else anybody wants to add, comment on, critique,
please let me know. Once I'm done with this migration and domain juggling
mess, I'll be hopping back on the codebase. I need to get away from
pilot-link for a few weeks, my eyes are going blurry looking at it.
There's a lot of new things planned, and quite a few other people
are jumping onboard and offering to help with various bits and pieces of the
project. This is good! To those doing translations, code fixes,
documentation, everything else, on behalf of the entire team, we thank you.
Keep up the great work!
Now off to catch a standby flight to the other coast to celebrate my
30th birthday with my girlfriend. Everybody, have a great weekend!
/d
p.s. (I'll be email-accessible if there are problems)
missing messages
Due to a wonderful upstream DNS debacle, any messages sent to me via the address '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (including list-destined emails such as these) were lost in the past 2 days. If some kind soul could please forward me any correspondence from those days which was sent to me directly or to this list, I'd greatly appreciate it. The days I may have been missing mail were 7/12/2001 until 7/15/2001. I have filed an incident upstream and (for now, (Sun Jul 15 11:48:46 PDT) the problem appears to be fixed. Thanks in advance to everyone for your help. /d
HTTP_REFERER fun...
Was doing the nightly log cleanup on the server, and found some interesting things in the web logs, might be of use to some people: http://www.gospelcom.net/rev-fun/pda/info.php - It's a comic-a-day site with a religious bent, mentions using Plucker on the main page. http://www.smh.com.au/handheld/howto.html - The Sydney Morning Herald, also blurbs about Plucker and Sitescooper. I think a lot more sites are beginning to see the light and are more willing to open up their palm-sized URIs than before. This is a good thing, and we should support that. http://www.etamax.de/Sven.Hauptmann/palm/faq.cgi I'm not yet fluent in Deutsch, but from what I can make out, it's a review/FAQ of using Plucker, AvantGo, Sitescooper with their content. http://pavei.com/ - Not exactly sure what language this is, but they linked to us, and there was another URL there which linked into us. Their Palm-size content was here: http://preview.pavei.com/?id=vapdummy Interesting redirect was here: http://www.pavei.com/go/?url=plucker /d -- You must ROT13 my Reply-To address to properly respond to me directly
Re: pdf conversion on web site
But the resulting pdb file itself isn't all that usable, for my purposes. But at least I know how it works, now. This is definately not how it works. Firstly, the file is a tar file ([t]ape [ar]chive) and then compressed with gzip. The file should be: MyFile.tar.gz, and inside there, you will find MyFile.pdb, which is the result of converting MyFile.pdf to MyFile.pdb. There is no zip file involved here (as in with a .zip extension) and there is definately not a file within a file within a file. MyFile.tar.gz - MyFile.pdb, that's it. Question - how hard would it be to make Plucker read PalmDoc files? We've kicked this around auite a bit, and it's not that hard. Code has to be added to support the DOC file format. Ideally, this should be loaded in the same way that SysZLib.prc is loaded now, dynamically. This decreases the bloat in the viewer itself and doesn't burdon the users with functionality they may not need in the viewer. And/or (I don't know how cheeky this would be...) would it be possible to make Plucker see iSilo or Teal Doc files (since both those formats are based on html...) Just a thought. Well, at last count, there were 17 separate (different) kinds of Palm DOC file formats around, and of those only three are open and documented, and of those, only one supports more than text (i.e. images, clickable links, etc.).. Plucker. If someone wants to write snap-ins to support these other formats (DOC, TombRaider, iSilo, TealDOC, etc.), we'll gladly accept patches. /d
Re: Our daily laugh - the comics.. Some ponderings..
I use cookies here to determine when the user read comics last time, and assemble all the comics he might have missed.. Cookies, blecch. Can plucker handle cookies?? Currently? No, but we'll accept patches. Incidentally, doesn't Sitescooper do exactly this, but in a local cache dir? Maybe that is some functionality, 'keep this page until I have read it', that already exists? Perhaps build a db which incorporates the date in the filename. We've discussed this option before. In Plucker, there is really no notion of pages in a manner which discerns them from the rest of the database. You can't remove or add a page without doing an entire recreation of the whole database itself. p.s. comics.cgi is written in python, throw an eye at Blecch, python. flame-retardant suit on /d
Re: Plucker section breaks?
Is there any code I can put in my html that will force a section break in the parser? Not sure what you mean by section break here. Perhaps p /d
Re: HTML Tables?
Anyone know how I can get Plucker to render an HTML table properly, instead of breaking out one cell per line? Plucker currently doesn't handle tables. We'll gladly accept patches though, if you want to add this functionality. FAQ 6.3 touches on this: http://plkr.org/index.pl/faq#6.3 It shouldn't be *TOO* difficult to add support for, but remember, we also would have to add some additional logic for wrapping around tables (for non-tabled content, like the page you've indicated has at the top) as well as a horizontal scrollbar at the bottom of the page (blecch!). Another idea would be to find some tool that can render the table or page as a graphic, and view the table as a pannable image instead of recreating a table parser in Python and in the viewer. . pgp://7075AE4A,-. pilot-link plucker David A. Desrosiers \,-' \ sourcefubar cvs gnu-designs.com, Inc. `--' hacker at gnu-designs.com `-
Re: Plucker section breaks?
Not sure what you mean by section break here. Perhaps p Yeah, Define what's a section break.. If there is any in html... He may be means hr I now understand what he means. He would like to insert the same record_id (via some HTML construct) that shows up when a page exceeds the 64k boundary when being parsed. The [Click here for the next part] part of the pages. It's found in PluckerDocs.py: if par_length + self._last_document_length Max_Document_Size: [..] tmp_para.add_text (Document_Next_Part_Text) [..] tmp_para.add_text (Document_Previous_Part_Text) [..] self._documents[-1].append (par) self._last_document_length = self._last_document_length + par_length How about we add a new HTML element like we've done for MAXDEPTH inside the A HREF=... construct, called SB or SECTIONBREAK, so we can enforce this behavior and get a manual section break to appear? Bill, easy to implement? . pgp://7075AE4A,-. pilot-link plucker David A. Desrosiers \,-' \ sourcefubar cvs gnu-designs.com, Inc. `--' hacker at gnu-designs.com `-
Re: pluck-comics.py question
I tried your suggestions with pluck-comics.py but I'm not able to get it to work. I always get this error when running it: Can you paste the full text of the error you received?
Mirrors of Palmgear.com submission
Sigh. In the past week, I've now seen at least three unauthorized reproductions of our Palmgear submission, including incorrect screenshots, incorrect descriptions, and completely misleading text. I've contacted them all directly, so we should see corrections soon. http://freewarepalm.net/communication/plucker.shtml http://www.palmblvd.com/software/pc/The-Plucker-Team-2001-3-30-palm-pc.html http://palmcomputing.palmgear.com/palm/product.cfm?prodID=13609 The last one appears to be a direct mirror of the Palmgear entry.. almost. When I update the Palmgear one, the one on palmcomputing.palmgear.com is not updated, which means it must sync with another database (i.e. a replication of our Palmgear submission). What's funny is that they literally (with a mouse in a browser) did a cut-and-paste of the description that showed up and pasted it into their own submission forms, because the raw html I submitted included the lt;HRgt; style syntax, so that it wouldn't show a raw HR in the HTML page itself. Apparently they neglected to see that bit of code, and now their description of Plucker includes a horizontal rule right in the middle of it. Hrmm... I wonder if their forms parse Javascript as well.. *wrings hands together like Dr. Evil* Have a good weekend, everyone, Mike, myself, and probably Bill Janssen (?) will be at Linuxworld next week. I'm working the booth, so stop on by. . pgp://7075AE4A,-. pilot-link plucker David A. Desrosiers \,-' \ sourcefubar cvs gnu-designs.com, Inc. `--' hacker at gnu-designs.com `-
Plucker Mailing List search engine
It's baaack... The mailing list search engine archives are up and indexed on the website now. Not the most elegant output for them, but I'm still working on it. Ideally, these should be jammed into a database, but some of the back-end tools I'm using to do the indexing and search (including Hypermail) don't quite gel with mysql... yet. I've broken the archives into separated parts by quarter, so 1Q2001 is the first quarter of 2001, and current is the quarter of the year we're in right now and so on. Give them a go, and let me know if something doesn't seem to work right. One thing I'm working on is a way to pull the messages themselves back into the website tabling view itself, like the cvs and the search form, but for now, it will pop open a new browser window, so you don't lose your focus or your search query. It will improve, but this gets the job done right now. Attachments are working too, for messages that have included them. Things to add: - break the search out into the plucker-dev, plucker-list, and plucker-bugs, and then break down by month/quarter - Highlight the words searched for in each message - Convert to... (txt, Plucker, DOC) for each message There's a lot more to come. I just converted the whole backend of the site into a much more manageable template-based system, so the look and feel should remain consistant, and it should respond faster now (using the processors to do the crunching and not the client browser). I'm adding things here and there, to improve it a bit more. Email me if you find issues, bugs, or have a wish-list of things you want to see put up there on the site or the server for download/whatever. . pgp://7075AE4A,-. pilot-link plucker David A. Desrosiers \,-' \ sourcefubar cvs gnu-designs.com, Inc. `--' hacker at gnu-designs.com `-
Convert to... now working
At the bottom of each article on the website, you've probably seen the [DOC] [Plucker] little buttons in the lower-right corner. Now you can download the articles as either plain text, or Plucker formatted pdb files. I'm working on a cleaner conversion to DOC, so that part isn't working right now, but the other two are. Let me know if you find problems with it. They are converted on the fly, not stored, though I probably should change that at some point. The reason I left it open right now is because soon you'll be able to configure your own preferences for how you want to see the site, the layout, the articles, etc. . pgp://7075AE4A,-. pilot-link plucker David A. Desrosiers \,-' \ sourcefubar cvs gnu-designs.com, Inc. `--' hacker at gnu-designs.com `-
Daily Dose
I'm all set to launch a potential new portion to the Plucker website that would make it a bit more useful to some users. I have been collecting and harvesting URLs and various Palm formatted websites for quite some time, including XML and RSS renditions of lots of sites (about 600 sites in my collection so far). I'm beginning to do daily and hourly builds of these sites and have decided to put them where other people can take advantage of them. Here's a screenshot of what the interface looks like so far (subject to slight changes of course): http://gnu-designs.com/code/plucker-dailydose.gif There are about 40 listed so far in the 'daily dose' section that are common sites and are broad enough for nearly anyone to use. I can surely take suggestions for other sites as needed. The question becomes.. should we make this type of information available on the website? Or should we leave it off, because of the potential transcoding concerns? I think I know Mike's opinion on this one, but I'd like to hear from others. The other option is that I make these urls gather the content runtime (upon click, like the CVS snapshot is done now) rather than by a schedule as it is now. The display you see is completely dynamic, taken from a directory of pdb files and images which match them. File size, date, update stamp, etc. are all pulled from the pdb file itself. Comments anyone? If anyone hasn't noticed, I'm trying to brush up on my perl a bit more because there's a whole bunch of new things coming soon... but I'd like to do something a bit more interactive on the site to keep people coming back. . pgp://7075AE4A,-. pilot-link plucker David A. Desrosiers \,-' \ sourcefubar cvs gnu-designs.com, Inc. `--' hacker at gnu-designs.com `-
Re: problem with an avantgo site
I have a problem with a site that has an avantgo version. The web site is http://www.infosync.no. To reach the avantgo version it is http://avantgo.infosync.no. The first page is fine, but the links from this page give this message: Try this one: http://infosync.no/avantgo/ Browsing the avantgo site in my webbrowser works fine. Is this a plucker problem? Thanks. No. I've spoken to the webmaster live on irc, and he's give me some interesting information on how they are required by contract to block non-AvantGo browsers from connecting. The above URL should work for now. /d
Re: Problem gettting Plucker 1.1.13 for Windows
But when I access that link, the package I get is for Plucker-1.1.11SR1.exe. Is this the correct .exe? Yes, Dirk has not yet released a new version for Windows. Download the .zip package, which contains the new viewer for the Palm side, and install that. Use the 1.1.11 parser with the 1.1.13 viewer, until Dirk can release a new version of his Windows tool. /d
Re: problem with an avantgo site
On whose side is this problem? I just got a reply from infosync that this non avantgo site was available: http://www.infosync.no/pda/epoc/ The URLs that fail are of the following type, a href=http://avantgo.infosync.no/news/show.php?id=960page=1 If you view the page source, you can see that both sites are using an invalid URI syntax as Mike explained. In the Windows world, the character is ignored, IIRC, but in the non-Windows world, this character backgrounds the job. You need to quote a URL that contains the '' character to buffer it from being interpreted by the shell, in most cases, bash/csh/korn. /d
Re: Plucker install to VFS?
Care to help us hack on it? Or donate a Sony to the cause? I just realized, I have a Sony Clie I bought way back when they were new. Nice backlight, interesting form factor, but given their actions, I'd rather use it as a wheel chock for my truck than a PDA. If we get to the point where hardware is required, I can probably use it for development. /d
Plucker Content (Bandersnatch Unpress)
More digging around revealed... http://melissa.nfr.net/~nav/unpress/
Re: GET parameters in URL
If you're using the Unix parser, you will probably need to put single
quotes (') around the URL. I'm unsure whether the Windows one needs a
similar fix.
Actually, in this case, both types of quotes would work, but double
quotes is the proper answer, since single quotes to most interpreted
languages (perl, python, lisp) are typically reserved for interpolation of
variables (things contained between them), while double quotes are for
interpretation of what is contained between them. And of course, never use
the accent grave mark (`) for anything to separate a URL. It's funny
watching people ignorantly misuse punctuation when I see people doing
`things' `like' `this'. Ugh.
/d
This is only a test, disregard.
Somehow, I was dropped from the list, so here I am subscribed again. This is only a test. Ignore, delete, disregard. Oh, and have a Happy Holiday, all. /d
Re: Handera 330
Does Plucker support Handera's bigger screen? Is there already someone working on it? Yes, Mike worked those features out, using another generous user's Handera 330. Unfortunately, that user had his Handera stolen the day Mike returned it, so he can never exploit those new features, but the code does exist. The code is not yet in the cvs, so I assume Mike is still working on it in his local copy. /d
Re: Parse error ''
I just figured out what the problem was. On those pages they put this at the bottom: !-ad1:3000:3001amg0-- This caused the parse error. I wrote a small PHP script which filtered that string and Plucker parsed it okay. That's not even a valid HTML comment string, for two big reasons: 1. Comments start with '!-- ' (note the trailing space and second '-' character) 2. Comments end with ' --' note the leading space. You should email the maintainers and tell them to fix their HTML. /d
Re: RE : AvantGo Patent
Nice sentiment, but here's my take on why Plucker exceeds over AvantGo: * Plucker has two forms of compression (zlib/doc), AvantGo does not. * Plucker supports 12 languages [plkr.org], AvantGo does not. * Plucker supports local files (file://tmp/foo.txt) and intranet (including https://) content, AvantGo does not. * Plucker supports runtime image scaling, panning, zooming via the parser ([alt]maxwidth, [alt]maxheight), AvantGo does not. * Plucker allows runtime bit-depth changes in the viewer. AvantGo does not. * Plucker is an 85k footprint on the Palm, AvantGo 4.0 is 399k, without content. * Plucker supports Gestures, Autoscroll, Tap Navigation, and Hardware button configuration options, AvantGo does not. * Plucker is free and open source, under the GNU General Public License, AvantGo is not. * Plucker does not require that you have your Palm with you in the cradle to gather, sync, and create content. AvantGo does. * Plucker uses an openly-documented data structure format, and integrates with other parsers and gathering applications like SiteScooper. AvantGo does not. * Plucker works on 11 platforms, 5 operating systems (with varying degrees of difficulty), AvantGo supports 1.5 OS' (Windows, and almost Macintosh). * Plucker does not restrict what websites can do with their own content, AvantGo does. * Plucker supports multiple instances of the same content (NYTimes with images, NYTimes with color, NYTimes without images) loaded at the same time, AvantGo does not. * You can beam your Plucker content to another Plucker user, with AvantGo you cannot. * Plucker offers 5 font choices, AvantGo offers 2. * Plucker does not have a maximum file size limitation; spider 20 meg databases if you want, AvantGo limits you to 200-300k. * Plucker does not block content. AvantGo does. * Plucker does not charge for usage of Plucker, nor fine people for using it too much. AvantGo does (and steeply, at $6,000 per year if you exceed contract usage rates. AvantGo SUX! PluCkEr RulEZ! Hi All, Will this patent of AvantGo effect Plucker? Hope it doesn't. The below is a news article about it: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20020125/tc/tech_avantgo_dc_1.html
Hourly Plucks on plkr.org
Slashdot changed their HTML again, which broke the hourly pluck of the site, using AvantSlash from Richard Lawrence. I emailed Richard, and he has updated his mainline code, and released a new update. For those that don't know, there is an hourly plucking of Slashdot that happens on the server, and creates a single Plucker database. It's been working for months, until recently (thanks to all who reported the problem). Also, the Wall Street Journal is plucked daily, and also resides on the server, same URL (non-browsable): http://plkr.org/samples/plucks/Slashdot.pdb http://plkr.org/samples/plucks/WallStreetJournal.pdb Also (thanks to David Wheeler for the notification) the Linux Documentation Project now provides all their HOWTO documents in Plucker format as well. You can find them at the following location under the Additional HOWTO Items: http://www.linuxdoc.org/docs.html#howto or: http://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/LDP/pluckerdb/ The second url appears to have had it's permissions changed, it worked the other day, and now throws an error. I'll send them an email and see what happened. If anyone else has some sites they'd like me to make available on the server hourly, daily, whatever, please let me know in a private email. Have a great week everone! /d
Re: Hourly Plucks on plkr.org
Also (thanks to David Wheeler for the notification) the Linux Documentation Project now provides all their HOWTO documents in Plucker format as well. You can find them at the following location under the Additional HOWTO Items: I just located the original LDP news article: http://ldp.upm.edu.ph/ldpwn/latest.html or http://ldp.upm.edu.ph/ldpwn/ldpwn-2002-02-05.html --- Documents Available in Plucker Format The Linux Documentation Project has just added support for another documentation format: the Plucker format. Plucker is a GPL-licensed offline HTML viewer for users of Palm-based PDAs (such as the Palm and Handspring Visor series). Plucker supports compression, hypertext links, clickable images, italics, bold, varying-sized fonts, multiple databases, and configurable display parameters and stylus options. Plucker also includes programs to compress HTML documents into the Plucker format, essentially a compressed form of HTML. This kind of compression is necessary on PDAs, which have limited amounts of memory. More information, and the Plucker software, is available at http://plkr.org. Users of these PDAs can now download various LDP documents from the web, push their base's synchronize button, and suddenly have those LDP documents available on their PDAs wherever they are. This saves users from having to install and use Plucker's compression programs (including figuring out what options work best for the LDP). Opening a document on the PDA shows that document's summary and a hypertext table of contents; users can use the stylus to go immediately to the section they need, or read the whole document if they wish. Once the documents are in one PDA, users can also exchange them with other PDAs by beaming them (using infrared connections). Supporting plucker will hopefully encourage the use of GNU/Linux and free software/open source software (FS/OSS), since by making it easier to put LDP documents in PDAs, the documents should become more widespread. Hopefully making plucker format available will also discourage the use of proprietary formats for FS/OSS related documentation, which has already happened in a few cases. Thanks go to David A. Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] for helping us out with testing, and to our HOWTO Coordinator, Greg Ferguson, for doing the implementation. ---
Re: Customizing Web Pages for Info
Well, what I'd like to see (and I'm probably not the only one) is customized info on a single page. This could be à la my.excite.com or my.yahoo.com but in a Plucker-friendly single column and without the search fields and such. Something similar to this? I've been playing on and off with the RDF and Syndication stuff, which looks promising. More time and I probably could make it easily customizable. How about a my.plkr.org, where you can configure your own page? /d
Re: plucking the british times
what's the URL of The Times' mobile edition? britishtimes.com brings up some 'clickheretofind' domain. What site were you specifically interested in? Did you mean http://www.thetimes.co.uk? /d
Re: formatting problem
the austrian newspaper der standard has a pda friendly version pocketstandard at http://text.derstandard.at/dyn/textonly/article.asp?channel=WIRELESSressort=WIRELESSID=770507 this page has an avantgo channel, and also the link description working with plucker. I would use this one: http://derstandard.at/Palm/Titel.htm the problem is: in avantgo the tex is flush left, in plucker all the text is centered. this might be a parser problem in plucker. If you mean this page: http://derstandard.at/Textversion/TOSeite1.htm It's because the source includes this tag: p align=centerfont face=Helvetica,Arial size=3 And then there is no 'align=left' tag on the table containing the articles. The actual article titles themselves are supposed to be aligned to the left, but the HTML is wrong. /d
Re: Plucked Comics
Heya! Thanks for creating Plucker! I am now recommending it to all the users of my comic strip's Mobile Edition, and have created a Lite editon of my strip. Thanks a bunch for the recommendations, Kelly. For those who don't read Stalag, it can be found here in Pluckable format: http://stalag99.keenspace.com/lite.html It's only the current strip, but hopefully Avantgo will come to it's senses later on. Over the years (and I've been watching them very closely), their policies have become more draconian, I doubt they'll see the light anytime soon. Or, of course, someone makes a Plucker Proxy and Plucker becomes a full browser. :D The source is available, feel free to modify to suit your needs (as long as you stay within the terms of the license, of course). The issues with making it a full browser are vast, and not just technical issues. /d
More web site updates, comments requested
I just loaded Konqueror today (no, I don't run KDE, just wanted to test the browser) and noticed that the plkrorg website shows up in konq with *HUGE* fonts Has anyone else seen this problem? and to make this message truly useful, the plkrorg website is undergoing yet another facelift This one will bring with it a completely new design and face to the site The site will be infinately more interactive (ok, infinately is a tough level to beat, but it's close) The new site when launched will allow you to pluck live content by filling in a simple form, wait a few moments, and have a pdb delivered to you for download (this will not be remotely fetchable via scripts, sorry, too many DoS attacks from clients, mailing lists, and web-spiders) I'm working on a way to allow people to sign in and store their preferences as well as putting the Build-It page back up so you can build a working ~/pluckerc configuration online for your sites and save them there for later use It's currently very easy to use the site, but I'm trying to make it even easier to navigate through the pages, cvs, mailing lists, and wealth of other information available through the site I've got a little more time on my hands now (unemployment does that =), so I'm using what time I have to peek and poke some new ideas into the site If anyone has ideas, suggestions, comments, graphics, or wants to help contribute please email me directly Remember, we can't rip off other commercial services ideas or design goals, nor can we reproduce and publish content from other sites without their permission or consent Let's stay within the limits of the law, where we can, and ask permission where we can't [dd]
Re: Disable backup
With large abount of plucker data this waste of time annoys me. Can I somehow tell HotSync not to bother backing up plucker databases ? ...use the --no-backup argument to plucker-build/Spider.py [dd]
Re: Parsing of the 'href=mailto:' line..
I only seem to be able to generate the To: and Subject: lines, then the Body: is just one line. Anything but To, Bcc, and Cc are completely invalid in a mailto tag and against the specification. The Subject kludge was something that Netscape put into the browser to support their MUA. Some browsers may support it, but it's not in the specification, and in fact is against RFC822 itself. Based on that, Body is definately verboten, even if browsers attempt to support it, it's not going to work in all browsers. Adding a hack to Plucker's parser to support it would probably be possible, but there's no guarantee that the MDA/MTA will preserve those elements when the mail is sent. [dd]
herzlichen dank fuer plucker (fwd)
It's nice to get feedback like this. [dd] -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:06:37 +0100 From: Matthias Kopfermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: herzlichen dank fuer plucker Hi you PLUCKER-gurus! I just wanted to say how much i love plucker. I use it every day. It's by far the most important program on my palm and I use it for reading linux weekly news, vim-help-pages and some books and it makes my Linux Agenda nearly useless ( despite the fact that this Palm does suck batteries so heavily it nearly isn't of any use to me right now ) But Plucker is. It's absolutely gorgious. Congratulations for a very, very much used program! Matthias from Hamburg/Germany -- We need to remember.the love lies deep within ourselves. We have to want it so. it starts with us and no one else. We must learn. We're all born with specialness inside of us. ( Janet Jackson, final song on Velvet Rope )
Re: viewer: jog-dial support; tap-less follow link
did i miss a preference setting which changes that behavior to, for example, scrolling by 1 page/line? No you didn't, that's how it works at the moment. are there people who would agree that using, for example, the jog-dial to select and follow a link on the currently displayed page is convenient? I suggested this awhile back, a way to tab between links like you can with a browser. I'll have to hack in a patch at some point. In the meantime, try these threads: http://www.mail-archive.com/plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org/msg00677.html http://www.mail-archive.com/plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org/msg00874.html turning the jog-dial would rotate through the links where the currently selected link is highlighted/marked by, for example, white-on-black inversion. pushing the jog-dial in would follow the currently selected link. Remember that this has to work for non-jogdial Palm devices also, so a solution which fits both types must be designed. How would you do this without a jogdial? thanks, Holy 13-line signature. EEK! [dd]
Re: Filtering pages
I have a problem when I try to plucker the LATimes, basically I just want to pluck some sections since this site is huge, but all the pages have references to the main page so it's like almost pluckering all the site, is there a way in plucker to filter only that page? You could do some magic with exclusionlist.txt combined with --staybelow, or you could use SiteScooper, and output to Plucker format. [dd]
Re: Error while converting image
Where do the map files come from? I have searched my system and can not find them. They're part of the netpbm2 package. [dd]
Re: Error while converting image
They're part of the netpbm2 package. I have the RedHat netpbm-9.24-1 rpms and there are not any map files in these packages. Do I need a different set of packages for netpbm2? On my system, it's called netpbm, and it's specified in the ~/.pluckerrc file as convertor type netpbm2. Here's more detail: $ dpkg -S /usr/lib/palmgray?.map netpbm: /usr/lib/palmgray1.map netpbm: /usr/lib/palmgray2.map netpbm: /usr/lib/palmgray4.map $ sudo dpkg -p netpbm Package: netpbm Priority: optional Section: graphics Installed-Size: 3928 Maintainer: Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Source: netpbm-free Version: 2:9.20-5 Replaces: pnmtopng, pbmwbmp, netpbm-dev, netpbm-nonfree (= 19940301.1-5) Provides: pnmtopng, pbmwbmp Depends: bc, gs | gs-aladdin, libc6 (= 2.2.4-4), libjpeg62, libnetpbm9, libpng2 (= 1.0.12), libtiff3g, zlib1g (= 1:1.1.3) Conflicts: netpbm-nonfree (= 1:19940301.1-3), pnmtopng, pbmwbmp, netpbm-dev, ucbmpeg (= 1r2-6) Size: 1090958 Description: Graphics conversion tools. Netpbm is a toolkit for manipulation of graphic images, including conversion of images between a variety of different formats. There are over 220 separate tools in the package including converters for more than 80 graphics formats.
Re: Problem pluckering the LA Times
http://la.adnfo.com/servlet/html?mxi=6src=Top%20Stories In plucker averything I tap on the Next link shows the same page, anybody knows how to fix this? It looks like the parser is catching the IDs wrong, or is confused when it writes the database out. If you use something like this: plucker-build -H http://la.adnfo.com/servlet/html?mxi=6src=Top%20Stories\ -f /tmp/LosAngeles_Times --zlib-compression --bpp=4 --maxdepth=8 \ --staybelow=http://la.adnfo.com/servlet/html; You can really see the problem more clearly. Something is going on here, but... when I spidered to a depth of 23 (which clearly should have reached the end of content, given the --staybelow above), it kept spidering and spidering and spidering until it reached over 800 links. Not good. Bill, any ideas? [dd]
irc.plkr.org is now up and running
For those who want to talk to some Plucker users and developers real-time, I've set up an irc server for any questions, comments, rants, patches, new sites to pluck, or whatever. Security is very important to us, so every user on the server's domain is hidden, and there's no fear of anyone on the user's machine being ping-flooded by other users or having anyone else's machine exploited by maliscious users. There's only three rules.. no bots, no abuse, and have fun. Join irc.plkr.org, and jump into the channel #plucker. See you there! dd.
Re: Can I cache what is Plucked
First I must say what a great piece of software. Thank you. I have set up some scripts to Pluck pages from the internet and update my Palm Vx. But is there a way of caching the downloaded pages so if a page has not changed it does not download it? Look into SiteScooper, and output the data in Plucker format. dd.
Re: Euro character not being interpreted
Whenever I run Spider.py I get the error: Why do you run Spider.py? I run plucker-build... plucker-build (on linux) is a symlink to Spider.py anyway. On Windows, I'm not sure what it is. dd.
Re: Latest Plucker (1.1.14) Source Code Download
How can I download the complete source of the latest stable release? The website only contains the binary version. Is there an easy way to do this using CVS to create a tarball? Click on Snapshot. You won't get stable, you'll get whatever the latest code is in HEAD. d.
Re: New beta version of viewer
Most odd. When I grab a copy of http://www.sslug.dk/~micke/plucker/beta/viewer_en.prc.gz I get an odd file. It is *not* gzipped. An obvious mistake just strip off the .gz and install it. Works for me. Why has nobody mentioned this? What did you grab it with? Likely your browser (Netscape/Mozilla) uncompressed it for you. It most-certainly is a gzipped file. $ HEAD http://www.sslug.dk/~micke/plucker/beta/viewer_en.prc.gz 200 OK Connection: close Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 19:12:15 GMT Accept-Ranges: bytes ETag: 7abbe-b455-3cb9bf92 Server: Apache/1.3.22 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) mod_perl/1.23 PHP/3.0.18 Content-Encoding: x-gzip Content-Length: 46165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Last-Modified: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:42:42 GMT Client-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 19:12:13 GMT Client-Response-Num: 1
Re: New beta version of viewer
Mozilla likes to pull that crap, which would be fine if it would change the filename too. Fix your local Mozilla mime type. On the server side, you can also make an adjustment to handle that also, so the broken clients don't try to uncompress it. d.
Re: Missing session data (was: New beta)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I had planned to release a new beta tomorrow, but I can just as well release it now. It includes a fix for this problem and also Adam's cache feature. The ChangeLog for this release is going to be nice and thick! d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8xYewkRQERnB1rkoRAtfjAKCiOzolGc4pRqw9TVm60pna/Oes3gCdFfy0 IsPEp/TmQ2gHEATbwg9a7XI= =1wWX -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Missing session data (was: New beta)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I guess I could also create a Linux binary for the Plucker Desktop, but it would be dynamically linked against wxWindows, so anyone using it would need a patched version of the wxWindows toolkit (i.e. they could just as well have built the desktop app themselves:) And let's not forget the Linux and Windows version of Plucker, and two versions of the viewer, one with each thinking icon, rpm packages, and source tarballs. Wheee. d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8xa/OkRQERnB1rkoRAjVvAKCb8GQun190B92vwwvjmYMDq/6AmgCgjc3R kU3EVaLY2Do8oM6j3Oldr8o= =8ViR -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Another website design/revision is coming...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is the new site going to be Plucker-friendly, such as placing the navigation-table in the far-right td instead of the far-left td? (HHOS) Even better, it will deliver you a PDA-sized version of the website, if you present the right UserAgent string to the site itself. No more bloat! ..which reminds me.. we need to change that PyPlucker/1.0 string to something more Plucker-like, such as Plucker 1.2 (http://www.plkr.org) or some such. Bill? d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8xyKRkRQERnB1rkoRAjIKAJ4sPul5O8hDsEQUCF+4WRETsl1xSACgvbNQ av6OeDJosVTrzPFWomDn0OI= =FVXI -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Another website design/revision is coming...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Better than the last... stay tuned! d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8xxmykRQERnB1rkoRAmpIAJ9yC0N8jGodRnaTmzfVS0EfBCD02gCgw1OE WJlfI8mKa7/9WGCcYJKaEJ0= =qXuu -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Questions about plucker parameters (possible bloating bugs?)...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think the only confusing thing is that setting tbmp_compression=true _increases_ the file size. From the above: This isn't out of the realm of possibility at all. Not all files compress to a size smaller than the original, in fact. If the file itself cannot be compressed much further than its original state, it may not compress at all, but you still have the overhead in bytes of the compressed header information in the file. Compound that with several dozen/hundreds of files, and you'll see a greater difference. YMMV, though. d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8ytVekRQERnB1rkoRAvkJAJ4+jHPBpiS9MY5rhwfPlOCyYdMDmACfbfQJ tjx3Vhnj2FxIRsl1jMXl+6s= =hmjm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: SlashPluck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've written a perl script that fetches Slashdot headlines, articles, and comments and formats them for plucker. Awesome work, Jason!! I've just incorporated it into the Hourly Plucks section on the Plucker server. You can grab the converted SlashPluck.pdb file here: http://www.plkr.org/samples/plucks/SlashPluck.pdb d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8yw/FkRQERnB1rkoRArFtAJ9qgJnJw4fu/Pwyd3FK9FbY7WAjlACglUt9 P7iqLIYjh/LhH1CFhorsCCM= =azft -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Plucker Battery Meter / Time PopUp Feature?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This maybe have already being suggested; but can a Battery Meter / Time display popup window feature be added to the Plucker Reader? Something like the Palm Reader. It was briefly brought up before (by me in fact), but was shot down. There's really no reason for Plucker itself to include this kind of feature, when there are dozens of other hacks and system utilities that will provide this functionality on top of Plucker. Though.. if we changed Plucker a bit in the innards to be able to load plugins (Pluck-ins?) you could write a BatteryMeter plugin, similar to the SysZLib.prc external extension now, or a DOC reader plugin, or whatever. It's definately not in the short-term plans, though. d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8zFN+kRQERnB1rkoRAg4yAKDJRQRWublduFK8S75AcZ85rbm0YACeMugK +oTFJcXSkUUmSASlpHUVK8g= =8qdC -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: New beta
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If you want to look at it, DepthDA is available at http://www.sra.co.jp/people/hoshi/palmos/depth_da-1.0.zip. Source is included. I prefer ScreenPrefs, and it's never crashed my device. d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8zHjEkRQERnB1rkoRAozGAJ9EuhDTtiVHvpLBXXRD0iOt4aVqJwCeIbNj kM+3HcTSzGJb4vRMlIgg/DY= =MK4G -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Plucker Battery Meter / Time PopUp Feature?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 But if the viewer architecture were changed so that it supported plugins, then the plucker development team could concentrate on plucker development, and others could write the plugins for DOC, iSilo, etc. Except when it comes to coordinating a release =/ Of course, I don't have any experience developing palm applications, and I have no idea if the plucker viewer architecture could be made to support plugins like this. But for what it's worth, I think it would be a great idea. It's a great longer-term vision, but as Mike and I have hinted, the architecture has to change at a fundamental level, it's not just a matter of adding a few extra functions in the existing codebase. d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8zXm9kRQERnB1rkoRArfsAKDRrzK3iz84nlEBdQcPVHpk/QiLdQCfTPGj ryaaGetKr1HSNR7gNqmfKu0= =YIQv -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: New beta
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This latest version is crashing immediately after synchronizing documents on launch to the bar code screen mentioned by Dennis McCunney. ..have you tested with and and _ALL_ hacks disabled? d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8zYCOkRQERnB1rkoRAmOOAKCAzusyZCWxMTJ5g675cbt2RuH16gCgmps5 lS61aYOgeZYE3HEdew5cuyQ= =Iczx -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: New beta
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Lebans, Producer Quirks Quarks, CBC Radio I would be willing to work faster for a Quirks Quarks mouse pad :) Wouldn't the labcoat be more appropriate? d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8zaeCkRQERnB1rkoRAtfuAJ4rFCwYDnQ9cNHPNCCSSB1WB8wNTACgzekd 0jYtNsxeLz2ILscyCy87134= =iEJf -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Conversion problem with latest pyplucker
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you can also do a redirect so that the errors are save to a file.
ex .
plucker-build {options and other stuff } Errors.log
You may want to use:
plucker-build /path/to/some/logfile.log
Note the ampersand.
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Re: Windows .EXE file on download page corrupted?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I saw the option on the web page to convert a PDF file to Plucker. I'm wondering if you can do this locally by downloading the Windows exe or running the command line/Unix version? No. Also, when reading a book, does anyone know a way to jump from the end of one chapter to the beginning of the next without going back to the toc? I can't figure this out. That seems to be the design of the HTML you parsed. Try messing with the percentage dropdown bar. I have successfully downloaded and installed plucker on to my Palm Vx. However, I've tried to download the Windows .exe from the download page. Any link for the previous versions seems to go to the same link for version 1.1.13 at http://www.dirk-heiser.de/plucker/plucker.exe. Once I download the file I get a 1.85 meg file, but when run, the system says the file is corrupted. Try downloading it from the plkr.org download page. It should be: 2.1MPlucker-1.1.13.exe I do have a RedHat Linux box and can try compiling the source if necessary. You'd need the Palm SDK and Palm tools set up first, and that's generally not as simple as installing gcc. d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE82uYdkRQERnB1rkoRAmqIAJ9ATjomTlCONjuYQSqrUl22n7sWGQCeOHUw lAI4L/z+5NrfebaNL7JUVH0= =YLVT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Plucker Desktop/Business Week Question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Actually, where did the build it part of the web site go? (Sorry if I was asleep when it was explained.) It's coming back.. the way I was doing it before was functional, but not efficient, and now I'm going to try to add the capability to actually fetch the content, up to a certain depth (don't want to pound the server of course). There was an issue with mod_perl that didn't scale well when Build-It was originally created over two years ago. d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE85QlHkRQERnB1rkoRAlLvAKCfju4c+/9V3g3gGesBU/yvyYCXqQCgsrnn BUGy2RqvQK4AjN0rhXW1xlA= =7tqI -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Linking Different Databases
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You can search the archives of the list and look in the parser feature category Where do I find this list? The 'Mailing List' section of the website includes a link. d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE88jeNkRQERnB1rkoRArhRAKCOlDbD2y4gz0sA6DwI7HKbPmwQugCfVmEI edJLe0URKJ1BxqxuleSoH6Q= =rhb4 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Automating preplucked pluckings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There are, of course, native ports of wget for Windows :). And, if someone can describe a means of queuing a PRC for installation via the command-line, then I'd be willing to look into writing the batch file to grab the SlashPuck file. I'm working on a way to get these pushed to users via several methods, anonymous rsync, secure ftp, and as a mail attachment. Right now, simple HTTP-based requests are the only way to retrieve them. If there are others, which do not involve copyrighted content, I'd be glad to pluck them nightly as well. Anyone? d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE898w+kRQERnB1rkoRAnuYAJwO0dtqQ9cRazvcw/LK4BK7K2fFDACgvQml eeeMiRVHHazL7FB2uM3KFvM= =z0Ig -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Press Scrolling?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Byron Collins wrote: Can Press Scrolling be added to the Plucker Viewer? Menu- Options- Tap Action d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9ID4YkRQERnB1rkoRAnZgAJoDUCeS68T0HBHT+lAqXJgWpvtR6ACdEzBb oDA7EG9JWuo8+40ny8Nrb3Y= =AdtF -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: How to update to 1.2beta 10 on windows?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The archive is tarred and then gzipped. Which untar program do you use? Vanilla tar doesn't grok gzipped archives, and they need to be uncompressed first. Not true at all. Here's several methods: gzip -d file.tar.gz | tar xvf - # portable syntax tar zxvf file.tar.gz# standard tar bzip2 -d file.tar.bz2 | tar xvf - # portable bz2 syntax tar jxvf file.tar.bz2 # for bz2 files # newer GNU tar d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9JbibkRQERnB1rkoRAlftAJ40rt+KzNDGM2l4CsEUbS3yJEfpEwCffzBK TmbCGSKGD2BZmCqcuJT8OxE= =k0x9 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Plucking the new york times
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Although is doesn't have as as much content as it has the other link it sure helps. NewsBlaster, newsBlaster, NewsBlaster http://www.cs.columbia.edu/nlp/newsblaster/frame_content.html I pluck it hourly and stick it on the Plucker server. d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9LejakRQERnB1rkoRAiCLAJ0duLm2cbLESp5Xw/HqtPVdNoERnACfcMsR R1AzJ/sFDFe177t4sK4vVcs= =vHNV -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Reading a plucker file on a mm card...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Installed Plucker on my palm m130 but i only get files stored on the 8mb RAM. Plucker doesn't recognize multimedia cards? can't belive that. where is my mistake? Which version of Plucker did you install? 1.1.14 does not support VFS natively, you'll need to grab one of the Plucker beta releases, until we release an official 1.2 stable release. http://www.sslug.dk/~micke/plucker/beta/ d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9NdnekRQERnB1rkoRAvhbAKC7bhIirnJf+qGzG1bcYZKtnRY+qwCgjQ4Y nK9KvvvgSW7aOxh50WVRqg0= =vTQa -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: question about plucking
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is there a better dave barry archive with a more pda friendly layout? Thanks for any advice. How about SiteScooper's dave_barry.site file? ### URL: http://www.miami.com/herald/special/features/barry/ Name: Dave Barry Description: Dave Barry's column for the Miami Herald AuthorName: (update) AuthorName: Marko Bozikovic marko.bozikovic /at/ envox.hr Levels: 2 ContentsStart: !-- begin content area -- ContentsEnd: Past Columns StoryURL: .*\d\d\d\d/docs/.*\.htm StoryStart: /noscript/center StoryEnd: !-- docend -- StoryHeadline: META NAME=headline CONTENT=(.*?) ### d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9RDTMkRQERnB1rkoRAgQoAKC0qfFOdo6jSgSwxlu5RDgUsvQ3ywCdEEzF xYRqI2etExlBqhmVDRgqh2A= =M98v -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Pocket Press E-Zine
Hi All, You can also pluck the AOL Pocket Press E - Newsletter at: http://www.pocketpress.info Great link. You can also find it at: http://members.aol.com/pocketpress/ d.
Announcing foo2pdb! pler! Tools-R-Us!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just to keep everyone apprised of what I've been doing in my quiet time (besides cranking out 4 pilot-link releases this past month and trying to find employment), I'm now putting the finishing touches on two new tools with quite a bit of beneficial Plucker functionality. These are going to be rolled into the new website, but I'll launch the tools in a few days once I'm done debugging them and running them through an audit.. I'll need everyone to bang on them to make sure they're rock solid, before I announce them officially on the front-page of the website. pdf2pdb, convert .rtf, .doc, .pdf to Plucker format --- I've cleaned up the code quite a bit from the current version, and stuffed in some more features, and now it will allow you to convert Rich Text Format (.rtf) documents, Microsoft Word native documents (.doc), as well as the standard Portable Document Format (.pdf) and Postscript documents. I found a small flaw when testing in POSE, if a Word document had a long title (longer than 32 characters seems to be the breaking point), and I managed to fix that with a little substr() massaging, but it needs a bit more testing before I'm confident in stamping it with the Seal of Approval(tm). pler, the [Pl]ucker [E]mail [R]eflector (a play on words) - After lying dormant for quite some time, I've now revived it and added the current Plucker options. For those who don't know what this is, it's an email-only interface to Plucker. You simply email a small template to a user on the Plucker server (which is actually my shiny new perl script), it will parse the values found in the template, and fetch the content, pack it up into a .pdb file for you, and attach it to an email reply to you. Here's an example of what the template looks like: [template] url = http://www.slashdot.org/palm/ maxdepth = 2 bpp = 4 title= Slashdot Daily News AvantGo = No # Is this an AvantGo Channel? # ... and so on Many people don't want to set up the tools necessary to run Plucker, so I wrote this to allow them to take advantage of Plucker without having to set up Python, Java, or anything else. Additionally, you can use this through a firewall (as long as the firewall lets you get email and attachments of course). If you're on a friend's computer and don't want to install Plucker and risk damaging their configuration, or you're running on a platform we don't currently support, you can use 'pler' to still use Plucker while away from your home system. The other benefit that pler can do, is build you a configuration for your platform, plucker.ini for Windows, ~/.pluckerrc for POSIX systems such as Linux, OSX, and Unix. I'm working on perfecting the home.html and plucker.ini attachments this week. These two tools are also being rolled into the new Plucker website layout, which now has a very robust Build It section so you can build your own configuration or Plucker documents by filling out a simple form and submitting it. There's quite a bit of intentional overlap with the tools and the website now as well, they're quite tightly integrated. Once it's all rolled up together, you'll be able to point Build-It, pler, or foo2pdb to Microsoft Word, Rich Text Format, HTML, Text, and PDF documents and have them converted into Plucker format. I also have a very alpha conversion for Peanut Press format doc files, but there's obvious copyright issues with making that publically available. Eventually, these will also become the back-end for the http://my.plkr.org/ website, where you can actually create your own account, set up your own pluckings, and sync to the server, automagically. That's probably 6 months off from this point though. I'm currently fixing/updating the Upload Samples section, a new arrival to the Plucker website, which will allow you to upload your own Plucker .pdb files for other users to download and read for themselves. I've taken extra pains to make sure that the files are correct, not corrupted, and of the right format for redistribution. Due to possible copyright issues, each file will have to be approved before going public, but the approval process is very easy. I may add the ability to vote on the ones you all find to be the best of each category. If anyone has suggestions for tools, options, ideas, or
Re: Plucking stopping short with some MAXDEPTH=3 sites
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 plucking is stopping at the third level for some reason. For example, I get the graphical Wired page and the list of stories, but not individual stories, even though I have MAXDEPTH=3 set in home.html. I just verified this, and oddly enough, the missing data is *IN* the .pdb, just not reachable via the links provided in the viewer. Wrote 39 = http://www.wired.com/news_drop/palmpilot/politics/0,1329,,00.html Wrote 40 = http://www.wired.com/news_drop/palmpilot/business/0,1322,,00.html ...but those links throw errors when tapped in the viewer. Bill? d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9Wq5skRQERnB1rkoRAvb9AJ91ELC7fbUOyU0MJDfs/RUMuCcy+gCghUaB zCXlUFx3CWvq1BK7EwEtXSI= =yNXC -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Problem plucking CGI URLs with parameters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have a problem with the Spider.py script when it comes to URLs with name=val parameters. a HREF=http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/r/rsv/rsv-idx?type=DIV1byte=1801Genesis/a gets scanned as http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/r/rsv/rsv-idx?type=DIV1 Seems perfectly logical to me, since the '' is interpreted by your shell. You need to double-quote URLs inside HREF tags anyway, and leaving them unquoted is actually not valid HTML syntax. a href=http://www.foo.blort/Foo/a !-- wrong -- a href=http://www.foo.blort/; alt=fooFoo/a !-- right -- I spent more time than I care to admit hacking around the PyPlucker python files, but I cannot see where it is going wrong in sgmllib and/or TextParser It's not a python problem, it's your shell. In the perl world, we can auto-escape all of this with uri_escape($url) or just passing the url in list-mode to something like 'system()', which doesn't use a shell at all. d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9WuyWkRQERnB1rkoRAiTvAJ4kO3WA8B92h/UQ634rrvi/Cua+SACgzW1Z rlRQs1K8s/WLScp5uQvtT0M= =ViVm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Humor For Plucker
Is there any humor / funny web page(s) I can pluck? Maybe a mobile edition of a joke web site will do. Here's one I had, but I'll look in my list for others. http://jokeaday.com/palmindex.shtml d.
Re: [plucker-list] Re: Can I build the widows installer for everyoneelse?
Anyway, I think it would be better for this discussion to take place on plucker-dev. Unrelated topic, but I needed to reply to this message to see if this was still a problem... Look in the Subject line. Note the Re: [list] Re: syntax there. After several replies to replies, the subject will get knocked off the line. I vote to remove the [plucker-foo] from the Subject field. It's a configurable option in Mailman, and I've done it on all of my lists for the same reason. Just a suggestion... d. ___ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
[plucker-list] Calling all Documentation Contributors..
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is a request to everyone who has volunteered to go through the FAQ and other bits of documentation to help update it for the 1.2 release, including grammar, spell-checking, and adding the missing bits that have been added since the last (1.1.14) release. I'll need to get everyone's updates and changes within the next couple of days so I can convert them and put them online. I'm trying to find a better way to display them through the new Plucker portal, but for now, anything documentation is better than no documentation. Please send me the updates you have, directly.. not through the list, so we can coordinate keeping them up to date. Make sure to use the latest documentation that is available in cvs, since we've all committed updates since that time. Thanks to everyone who has reached out and helped thus far. d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9bJ6xkRQERnB1rkoRAgZ+AKDSjGUcxcEysF3JN3NX6RXushr5zACgi9Ay a96KxObl01Aw+Cg4P1uwEoM= =1HwL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
Re: [plucker-list] Plucker 1.2 beta 12
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is there an installer package available for this release of Plucker? I've had a look on the website and can't find it. No, because it's not a release, it's a beta. Since this is the 12th beta of this version so far, it would be prohibitive to have to keep writing installers for each one. When 1.2 is released, there will likely be an installer package for it.. if we can find Dirk. Nobody's heard from him since March 19, 2002. d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9bKF7kRQERnB1rkoRAhTGAKCojLtTPY00BOrvUDs5Gk96taixMgCgygwk XuG0HsYWj9hg78eSTQV++x8= =zSWi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
[plucker-list] Email disclaimers (was Re: Plucker Request)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As you seem to have found, it does your company more harm than good in the damage to its reputation for running such an ill-behaved email system. ..not to mention, since the disclaimer was attached to the bottom of a message destined for a public mailing list, which is archived and stored elsewhere, and is publically viewable in two locations (on the rubberchicken mailing list Mailman archives, as well as those on mail-archive.com), it puts the email in violation of it's own disclaimer about reproducing or copying the content. There's quite a few precedents here that define how email-based disclaimers do not release a company from liability or legal prosecution, and do not in any way, protect them from the same. This stemmed from a time when disclaimers had to be sent with FAX transmissions, so if the wrong number was dialed, it would be legally excusable. Using them for email transmissions is simply incorrect. With email, and especially email on public mailing lists, these disclaimers amount to exactly nothing, except a substantial waste of space and bandwidth. d. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9bLLZkRQERnB1rkoRAgAEAKDahfZGblsE6c7NQjlodWlMYwROAgCgu/Iu eOTxSufgn5RLWYwtUwx3ChY= =oNAS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
Re: [plucker-list] Get Off
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 How do I get off of this list? In the headers of each message is instructions on how to get off the list, specifically thus: List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe d. perldoc -qa.j | perl -lpe '($_)=m((.*))' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9ca9ukRQERnB1rkoRAik/AJoCq6JS1kUEuH5lxMKiwG66Ro+iZgCfTqgf /FX+m34mQ/1pWp3K0QGSf7c= =8fIo -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
Re: Time stamp in Plucker docs?
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Perhaps a special footer like the following would be the way to go:
Document created on !--PluckDate(HH:mm:ss, d-mmm-)--
How about something easier:
date=`date +%F_%H:%M:%S`;
plucker-build {...} -f MyDB_$date
Check date(1) for more fields to manipulate to taste.
d.
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Re: [plucker-list] Parser error message: deprecated( db_file,doc_file ) (Was: Sitescooper Error after install of desktop)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Perhaps someone could drop a patch to the sitescooper author? As a sidenote, I noticed that the sitescooper guy just lives a short distance down the road-- small world ;-). It's also worth noting that he's looking to give up the project to another maintainer, so he can persue other projects. If I can clean up my current list of projects, I may step into this one (literally and figuratively speaking) and help out a bit more than I have been lately. d. perldoc -qa.j | perl -lpe '($_)=m((.*))' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9c6pRkRQERnB1rkoRAoP6AKCWDxDcpB1g2dL/SloBsGc9AQZeBACfaGaa X5E47nCzMGcJPTXQ4C9OqdY= =WvLQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
Re: AvantGo channels for Plucker
I wish there was a page on the Plucker web site that had a list of urls. Maybe something like a guest book that could be updated by the users. Good idea, I'll see what I can come up with. d. ___ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
Re: URL filtering not working
Can I write logial expressions in the conditions like www.allocine.com/films OR www.allocine.com/salles ??? It would help a bit more if you showed us the regular expression syntax you're using to limit those portions from the plucked document. d. ___ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
Re: configure can't find image tools
One of the things it seems to be looking for is mogrify from ImageMagick which I have. mccombs@rickdude:~/palm-stuff/plucker-1.2beta12$ which mogrify /usr/X11R6/bin/mogrify mccombs@rickdude:~/palm-stuff/plucker-1.2beta12$ My copy is in /usr/bin, and that's where all the distributions I've seen put it (at least Redhat, Mandrake, Debian, SuSE). Did you compile that by hand and put it in there? Perhaps you need to move it into /usr/bin, or change the configuration script to look in that non-standard binary path. d. ___ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
Re: Plucker Desktop: Feature request: Channel import file/format
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As Avantgo used to have thier file import format/file type, now that there is a desktop component, we should make a file format that can easily be created and shared. I agree, but let's be careful about that format. Many of our tools rely on these *NOT* changing in syntax, like plucker.ini, ~/.pluckerrc, home.html, and so on. I have some tools that parse these values, so if we use this, let's all agree on the exact spelling, punctuation, and syntax (i.e. 'launchable=[1|true|yes]' and so on) Maybe even add the ability to base64 encode the icons and attach them too. Hrm.. browse for an icon, and encode/decode into place? Interesting. The install should associate all .plk (or whatever we pick) files and maybe application/x-plucker too. .plkr please, and application/prs.plucker http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application/prs.plucker So, what do you think? I'm all for it, but not yet... let's get 1.2 out, stable, then work on flattening our syntax and agreeing on a proper format to pass between our respective tools. d. perldoc -qa.j | perl -lpe '($_)=m((.*))' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9eM6CkRQERnB1rkoRAt/sAJ9PK/hVaz0hExLIlvt5VyvKupnZAACfQ7oO wXsjT+xk7UD4taY2wJWVSbQ= =/FG1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
RE: Plucker Desktop: Feature request: Install pdb to card
Does anyone know of a workaround for this? Could the Plucker Desktop be taught to wake up the install directory? I'm sure it's some poke to the Registry somewhere. Perhaps the Palm CDK has some clues in there? Maybe it's a dropfile in the Install directory. d. ___ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
Re: Viewing websites
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Using proxy '153.42.5.2:1677:80' with authentication for user 'jsmiley'... Change that proxy to prepend 'http://' to it. d. perldoc -qa.j | perl -lpe '($_)=m((.*))' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.92 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9jUGDkRQERnB1rkoRAo/jAKCJTp0KSOF5Bs1A6nl3P1q17/WHEACdEnSB FBZ0tmi3hp7QzFpXWEPH0YU= =xmDj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
Re: Hotmail on Plucker??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I was wondering if it is possible or are there any faqs to download a hotmail inbox for viewing in Plucker? I don't need editing, but it would just be nice to read the email on the Palm (or any suggestions of other ways to get Hotmail on a Palm). This isn't really within what Plucker was designed for, but you could certainly use a combination of 'getmail' and fetchmail (check the Fetchmail FAQ, search for Hotmail) along with hypermail to convert the mbox over to HTML, then point Plucker at it. But why not just point your Palm mail client at Hotmail instead? d. perldoc -qa.j | perl -lpe '($_)=m((.*))' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.92 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9jfTqkRQERnB1rkoRAksTAJ4onsopTSaNMlrLB5Tys6crXtT1HQCdEyVo PXj43A4cZmZl/R5v6ZcfTZc= =FsiP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
RE: Bug? Redirects Not Followed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yes, that would work, but that means we have to go test-and-grab the URL from a site we think we know the address of. Plus redirects are there for a reason, and may change. Blame the authors of the core Python code we use for spidering. I'm sure there's a reason (or not?) the upstream authors chose not to follow redirects. Has anyone checked the Python mailing lists on similar issues? d. perldoc -qa.j | perl -lpe '($_)=m((.*))' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.92 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9jygZkRQERnB1rkoRAnEqAJsGB6620dtz6noGGMGjgN3lV3Wk8ACgwxEd zgYT6oaIRb9PLlWAZuXjaeA= =oHyV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
Re: MyYahoo?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://pg1.yahoo.com/raw?dp=homepdadid=%deviceid When I access this in my browser it comes up with my home page because, I assume, of the massive Yahoo cookie I have. Does anyone know of the format for including a userID in the URL in order to access MyYahoo? Is it a POST or GET request? Does it expect cookies to be sent to retrieve each linked page below your personal page? The form fields it expects are going to be in the source, if it allows you to put keys and values in the URI field. If you don't see those, you can bet they're using session cookies, which Plucker doesn't support with the current Python distiller. d. perldoc -qa.j | perl -lpe '($_)=m((.*))' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.92 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9j0EukRQERnB1rkoRAijGAJ97TVfMo0z6Xjl1R1cb7O8V7ORyEQCgmDsc imqTumjsfh5J/iCxS2rDGFA= =xCL7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
Re: Space.com for Plucker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Interesting. Something like: wget --user-agent=AvantGo --referer=http://avantgo.com http://space.com/syn/avantgo/ No, space.com is actually doing something a bit smarter than that, in fact. They appear to be looking at REMOTE_ADDR, and determining if the request comes from an allowed set of addresses in the AvantGo.com netblock. If not, the request is denied. There's a way around it, but it's not an easy path, mangling the packet itself, but you'll never see the data coming back, since a forged REMOTE_ADDR would send the response to the request off to the address you're forging, i.e. AvantGo somewhere. The other option is to hack a root DNS server to point that IP and netblock back to you. I don't recommend this approach, however =) There's a third approach, but I'm not going to discuss it on a public mailing list out in the open, where members and employees of AvantGo are most-certainly subscribed and listening. d. perldoc -qa.j | perl -lpe '($_)=m((.*))' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.92 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9j5urkRQERnB1rkoRAklKAKDGnCBvjWagd253WXB5OWb34oZ4xQCgrAsq rOvDxNZc4BcJRJrLWxWMv6k= =NrLV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
Re: stayondomain/host, scheduler, memory leak
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tony is bang on. 'stayondomain' doesn't exist yet. It has been in the parser wishlist for about a year, but no one skilled enough has had a chance to implement it yet. I've been asking for it for almost 2 years, in fact, at the same exact time that the stayonhost parameter was created, I asked for stayondomain, which has a very different scope. Any takers? I will ship a fresh bottle of Bailey's to anyone who can help out ;-) How far will you ship that =) (j/k). Seriously though, I've put out a few ideas about how to implement it at a parser level, reversing the string and reversing back. I'm not sure if Python has a robust domain validation library, but it's not that hard to splice out the relevant bits and only be left with the domain itself. I'll try to hack up a standalone something this weekend (in perl of course) to show as a proof of concept of how this can be done. Whomever wants to roll that back into something the Python distiller can grok, go ahead, I'll split the Baileys with you =) d. perldoc -qa.j | perl -lpe '($_)=m((.*))' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.92 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9k31nkRQERnB1rkoRAqtMAJ0eApIn1sUKV4a/+n4Ayz7/+T0zCwCgwW1A FRVWo+/+oFrGWsx+Rojfl3o= =RxX6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
Re: stayondomain/host, scheduler, memory leak
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Here is the URL with Alice's kind patch: http://www.mail-archive.com/plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org/msg01626.html And don't forget that the patch in that message is exactly the opposite in diff format that you'll need to make it work. He diffed them the wrong way (i.e. all lines with '-' should be '+' and vice versa). d. perldoc -qa.j | perl -lpe '($_)=m((.*))' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.92 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9k46lkRQERnB1rkoRAhzKAJ41UFMIBXRkI98kEMD7pAJpXeG19QCfcJpV d/25w5mmNqvGfp/0N1Kg8po= =grc1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
Re: Python Profile Results
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have no problem firing off a Pluck and doing something else for five minutes. David is pretty adamant it's not a problem under Linux, so it could be Windows-specific. Does it merit any real attention given that the solutions are all invasive to the elegance-of-architecture? Give me an example of a site you pluck, including the parameters, and I'll do some tests. I have many shells with Plucker installed, each on different networks, size pipes, and in different countries. I'd love to compare your results with mine. Hit me up privately if you want to continue this off-list, or join me on irc.. irc.plkr.org, #plucker. d. perldoc -qa.j | perl -lpe '($_)=m((.*))' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.92 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9laSDkRQERnB1rkoRAiBEAJ9GU+p+ou/Kpc6tMVul2cVbwLUILgCfXFFL BXyONhgNLEqPJKQ9nUMP+Pc= =GCn8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ plucker-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-list
