Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?)

2023-08-01 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: PLUG [mailto:plug-boun...@pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Russell Senior Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 6:47 PM To: Portland Linux/Unix Group Subject: Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?) Moinmoin isn't a binary, fwiw. On Mon

Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?)

2023-08-01 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
] On Behalf Of Ben Koenig Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 11:15 PM To: Portland Linux/Unix Group Subject: Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?) I wonder why WINE, FFMPEG, the Linux Kernel, all mainstream distros... - KDE - GNOME - XFCE - QT - GTK and m

Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?)

2023-08-01 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
23 1:06 AM To: plug@pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?) On 7/31/23 23:15, Ben Koenig wrote: > The longterm success and/or failure of any software project comes down to the > maintainability of the codebase. Projects

Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?)

2023-08-01 Thread Ben Koenig
--- Original Message --- On Tuesday, August 1st, 2023 at 1:06 AM, Russell Senior wrote: > > On 7/31/23 23:15, Ben Koenig wrote: > > > The longterm success and/or failure of any software project comes down to > > the maintainability of the codebase. Projects with good, clean

Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?)

2023-08-01 Thread Russell Senior
On 7/31/23 23:15, Ben Koenig wrote: The longterm success and/or failure of any software project comes down to the maintainability of the codebase. Projects with good, clean codebases get more love because the cost of contributing is much lower. Given how many big projects use moinmoin I

Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?)

2023-08-01 Thread Ben Koenig
I wonder why WINE, FFMPEG, the Linux Kernel, all mainstream distros... - KDE - GNOME - XFCE - QT - GTK and many other projects DO NOT have this problem, despite all of them being infinitely more complex than a collection of python scripts. The longterm success and/or failure of any software

Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?)

2023-07-31 Thread Russell Senior
ler and tried their hand at > fixing it themselves? > > Ted > > -Original Message- > From: PLUG [mailto:plug-boun...@pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Paul Heinlein > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 8:38 AM > To: Portland Linux/Unix Group > Subject: Re: [PLUG] wiki

Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?)

2023-07-31 Thread John Sechrest
ld Moinmoin on it. $5000 to the first person who fixes that and >> > produces a functioning binary, and feeds the changes back into the >> public source" >> > >> > OR, how many of them have picked up a compiler and tried their hand at >> > fixing

Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?)

2023-07-31 Thread John Sechrest
LUG [mailto:plug-boun...@pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of John Sechrest > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 5:34 PM > To: Portland Linux/Unix Group > Subject: Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks > MediaWiki - why?) > > I wonder how far you would get by asking Bard or

Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?)

2023-07-31 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
rom: PLUG [mailto:plug-boun...@pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Paul > Heinlein > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 8:38 AM > To: Portland Linux/Unix Group > Subject: Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks > MediaWiki - why?) > > On Sun, 30 Jul 2023, Russell Senio

Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?)

2023-07-31 Thread John Sechrest
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 8:38 AM > To: Portland Linux/Unix Group > Subject: Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks > MediaWiki - why?) > > On Sun, 30 Jul 2023, Russell Senior wrote: > > > A slightly related story: Debian's wiki is moinmoin. Moinmoin v1.x

Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?)

2023-07-31 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
To: Portland Linux/Unix Group Subject: Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?) On Sun, 30 Jul 2023, Russell Senior wrote: > A slightly related story: Debian's wiki is moinmoin. Moinmoin v1.x is > based on python 2. Python2 is (of course) d

Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?)

2023-07-31 Thread Paul Heinlein
On Sun, 30 Jul 2023, Russell Senior wrote: A slightly related story: Debian's wiki is moinmoin. Moinmoin v1.x is based on python 2. Python2 is (of course) deprecated and pretty much abandoned as of Debian Bullseye. It seems somewhat ironic that the wiki that proudly announces Debian 12

[PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?)

2023-07-30 Thread Russell Senior
A slightly related story: Debian's wiki is moinmoin. Moinmoin v1.x is based on python 2. Python2 is (of course) deprecated and pretty much abandoned as of Debian Bullseye. It seems somewhat ironic that the wiki that proudly announces Debian 12 (bookworm) as of July 22, has to run Debian 10