Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-09 Thread Noah Gift
Ok, so I took the time to completely walk through the steps I had trouble with last night, and I was able to reproduce the installation problem. Notice that, yes, indeed, the wrong paster was in my path, but I stepped around it by calling the full path to paster inside of my virtualenv.

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-09 Thread Florent Aide
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Noah Gift noah.g...@gmail.com wrote: Because I am working on bootstrapping issues anyway in my day job, I am keen to work with a couple guys on making an extremely reliable bootstrap environment for Python, perhaps Phil and Mike?  I agree that there should be

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-09 Thread Philip Jenvey
On Apr 9, 2009, at 4:22 AM, Noah Gift wrote: Ok, so I took the time to completely walk through the steps I had trouble with last night, and I was able to reproduce the installation problem. Notice that, yes, indeed, the wrong paster was in my path, but I stepped around it by calling the

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-09 Thread Mike Orr
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Noah Gift noah.g...@gmail.com wrote: anyway in my day job, I am keen to work with a couple guys on making an extremely reliable bootstrap environment for Python, perhaps Phil and Mike?  I agree that there should be zero assumptions other than your on OS X,

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-09 Thread Iain Duncan
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 12:14 -0700, Philip Jenvey wrote: On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote: I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that something always breaks. I just got this today: http://pylonshq.com/pasties/d8768f105749c5c169094812c4e0f01a

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-09 Thread Mike Orr
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Iain Duncan iaindun...@telus.net wrote: Regardless of what the problem is, in the future it would be nice if we provided an 'all in one' install archive. Like a pip bundle (but then we have to require pip), or I think zc.sourcerelease can produce something

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-09 Thread Damjan
I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that something always breaks.   For those using Python 2.6*, I'd like to see how much better/worse this sollution is: # starting from scratch, a clean slate: wget https://svn.openplans.org/svn/pip/trunk/pip.py chmod +x pip.py

installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Noah Gift
I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that something always breaks. I just got this today: http://pylonshq.com/pasties/d8768f105749c5c169094812c4e0f01a Sigh... This is a tad frustrating because everytime I tell someone to use Pylons, them tell me installation

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Wyatt Baldwin
On Apr 8, 4:50 am, Noah Gift noah.g...@gmail.com wrote: I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that something always breaks.  I just got this today: http://pylonshq.com/pasties/d8768f105749c5c169094812c4e0f01a Sigh...  This is a tad frustrating because everytime I

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Ben Bangert
On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote: I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that something always breaks. I just got this today: http://pylonshq.com/pasties/d8768f105749c5c169094812c4e0f01a Sigh... This is a tad frustrating because everytime I tell someone

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Philip Jenvey
On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote: I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that something always breaks. I just got this today: http://pylonshq.com/pasties/d8768f105749c5c169094812c4e0f01a I suspect you might have actually forgotten --no-site-packages.

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Ben Bangert b...@groovie.org wrote: On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote: I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that something always breaks.  I just got this today:

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Mike Orr
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Philip Jenvey pjen...@underboss.org wrote: On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote: I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that something always breaks.  I just got this today:

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Noah Gift
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Wyatt Baldwin wyatt.lee.bald...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 8, 4:50 am, Noah Gift noah.g...@gmail.com wrote: I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that something always breaks.  I just got this today:

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Noah Gift
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Ben Bangert b...@groovie.org wrote: On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote: I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that something always breaks.  I just got this today:

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Noah Gift
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Philip Jenvey pjen...@underboss.org wrote: On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote: I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that something always breaks.  I just got this today:

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Noah Gift
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Bob Ippolito b...@redivi.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Ben Bangert b...@groovie.org wrote: On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote: I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that something always breaks.  I just got

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Noah Gift
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Philip Jenvey pjen...@underboss.org wrote: On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote: I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that something always breaks.  I

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Ben Bangert
On Apr 8, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Noah Gift wrote: I do like my analogy on Python packaging though, not sure if I have shared it here or not. What would you do if, in a fictional scenario, someone kidnapped your family, and said, In 24 hours, we are going to install your software, either on Mac,

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Noah Gift
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Ben Bangert b...@groovie.org wrote: On Apr 8, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Noah Gift wrote: I do like my analogy on Python packaging though, not sure if I have shared it here or not.  What would you do if, in a fictional scenario, someone kidnapped your family, and

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Mike Orr
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Noah Gift noah.g...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Ben Bangert b...@groovie.org wrote: Noah, you work at Weta, thats a big (and rather profitable) company that uses Python. Maybe you could get some of them to sic some full-time programmers

Re: installation has NEVER worked on the first try in two years of using Pylons

2009-04-08 Thread Noah Gift
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Noah Gift noah.g...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Ben Bangert b...@groovie.org wrote: Noah, you work at Weta, thats a big (and rather profitable) company that uses