[Ql-Users] QL is worryingly nearly 40 do we get a midlife crisis party anywhere?

[John Alexander via Ql-Users]

QL is worryingly nearly 40 do we get a midlife crisis party anywhere?Also the 
list as been quieter even tha nusual where is everyone?
John A
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Re: [Ql-Users] m68k.info talk

[John Alexander via Ql-Users]

 
I enjoyed it  ... A bit  of "in line German" but totally understandableThanks 
for doing it Marcel!John A
On Sunday, 4 April 2021, 00:30:22 BST, Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users 
 wrote:  
 
 A short notice that my talk about the QL and its operating systems 
that I did for the m68k.info webpage is now online at

https://youtu.be/yU0ptNyNqcI

Just excuse my apparent inability to speak the number "68" 
correctly... :-o

All the best, Marcel


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[Ql-Users] Fw: Fw: Next friday m68k chat: Sinclair QL and Alpha Micro Machines

[John Alexander via Ql-Users]

 

   - Forwarded message - From: John Alexander 
To: Urs Koenig (QL) Sent: Sunday, 
24 January 2021, 21:33:05 GMTSubject: Re: [Ql-Users] Fw: Next friday m68k chat: 
Sinclair QL and Alpha Micro Machines
  Yeah it was very entertaining thanks for a good show I missed the first 10 
mins or so, fortunately I do remember the poor black beast ;-P


On Sunday, 24 January 2021, 17:11:48 GMT, Urs Koenig (QL)  
wrote:  
 
 What a QL weekend!

In sequence, here's highlight number one...

John wrote:


And in the chat after the presentation we also talked more deeply about C 
compilers. Here's a good article on "C-Compilers for the QL" and "Cross 
Compilation for the Sinclair QL using qdos-gcc"
https://github.com/linneman/snake

I very much enjoyed presenting the Sinclair QL Professional Computer system on 
the Planet m68k evening chat!

Video recorded and edited by Carsten Strotmann of Planet m68k. Thank you very 
much Carsten for making all this possible!
http://m68k.info

QL forever!


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[Ql-Users] Fw: Next friday m68k chat: Sinclair QL and Alpha Micro Machines

[John Alexander via Ql-Users]

Urs will be presenting to the M68k group.I figured some may want to turn up as 
the show is pretty good! 
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   - Forwarded message - From: "Carsten Strotmann"  
To: "debian-...@lists.debian.org"  Cc:  Sent: Sun, 
17 Jan 2021 at 19:10 Subject: Next friday m68k chat: Sinclair QL and Alpha 
Micro Machines  The next  #m68k chat will be this upcoming friday with two 
interesting
topics, and as always, a nice chat:

Feature 1: Cameron Kaiser on Alpha Micro Machines - lesser known 
m68k machines

Feature 2: Urs König on Sinclair QL (History, Ecosystem and 
history and modern extensions, QL operating system and Basic, 
modern open source operating systems)

Date: Friday 22nd January 2021, 19:00 H CET (18:00H / 06:00 PM 
UTC)

Login information can be found at 

See you there

Carsten

  
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL/E v3.20 is out!

[John Alexander via Ql-Users]

 I belive you are talking on the Planet 68K talk 22/01/21 is that correct?What 
will you be talking about ? Will all this stuff be mentioned?
Thanks for the hard work John A


On Thursday, 7 January 2021, 21:01:23 GMT, Urs Koenig (QL) via Ql-Users 
 wrote:  
 
 Simon wrote:
>  Thank You Ever So Much Urs  for QLE 3.20 it is Very Very Good  how easy to
> put My Bought  bought software on to it and the now QCP and QcCoCo can
> you please Help OK Thank's Urs
Thank you for your feedback on QL/E!
http://sinclairql.net/repository.html#QLE

Yes I know, QCoCo and some other nice tools are still not integrated, but at 
least Colourways are in since version 3.19.

Focus for the new version 3.20 was:
- SMSQ/E v3.36 (released April 2020)
- SMSQmulator 2.29 (released April 2020)
- FiFi v5.04 (released March 2020)
- the updates which Marcel did during 2020 to packages such as QPAC2, QD, Chess
- Marcel's new MODPlay (release October 2020)
- Tobias' Magnetic Scrolls interpreter (released December 2019)
- Martyn's Q68 QL NET support (released June 2019)
- Martin's Q68 IP NET support (released December 2020)

More Information:
http://sinclairql.net/downloads/QLE_news.txt
http://sinclairql.net/downloads/QLE_README.txt
http://sinclairql.net/downloads/QLE_history.txt
http://sinclairql.net/downloads/QLE_changelog.txt

Download QL/E:
http://sinclairql.net/downloads/THE_DISTRIBUTION_qle.ZIP

Important note for Q68 users:
Q68 users should use CFG to set the NET TCP/IP either to „none“ or 
„192.168.1.x“ (I use x=8 as this is free in my LAN and reminds me of the Q68) 
to avoid boot failing at line 11425.

QL forever!
Urs

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[Ql-Users] Planet68K a new website for the old timers ;-)

[John Alexander via Ql-Users]

 On a slight aside I've been talking to Carsten Strotmann a Forth and 68K retro 
machine aficionado 
He runs a website dedicated to the 68K and has a meeting once a month on a 
developer orientated topic!
https://m68k.info/
There is a lot of work going on for the 68K in general ... if any one is 
interested in doing a talk I'm sure he'll more than consider it!
Failing that you may just want to visit and see what's going on !
Hope that's interesting for at least a few of you guys!
John Alexander

On Tuesday, 17 November 2020, 19:07:19 GMT, Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users 
 wrote:  
 
 Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users wrote:
> I also saw your info about the MOD player, I haven't had a chance to try
> this yet on SMSQmulator, you experince there seems to have been, ah,
> sub-optimal...

While I just tried to make a demonstration video of it I chanced upon
the menu item "Sound volume" and checked it out. It was set to 50 for
some reason, which not only made the sound a lot quieter but also
added a lot of distortion. Probably because it's VERY quiet, much less
than 50%, more like 10%.

When set to 100 SMSQmulator sounds a *lot* better, more or less like
QPC, only a lot louder. A setting of 90 for some reason is about as
loud as QPC and still sounds good.

One more thing: after starting SMSQmulator fresh it currently doesn't
work at all. The MOD player plays like 30 times faster than real time
but no sound comes out. The second song selected afterwards works
however.

Cheers, Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-VGA

[John Alexander via Ql-Users]

 Indeed, one might say it's more of a mark up decription of what you  would 
like to see the hardware been rather than a S/W program to run on the H/W.
Sounds so pedantic doesn't it ;-)JA

On Thursday, 9 January 2020, 22:11:31 GMT, Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users 
 wrote:  
 
 See! I said I knew nothing! ;-)

On 9 January 2020 16:29:50 GMT, Peter Graf via Ql-Users 
 wrote:
>Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users wrote:
>> I get that it's a software description of some hardware.
>
>Not software. It is simply a hardware description, and the result is
>pure hardware, i.e. flipflops, gates, wires. You can as well describe
>he
>same hardware in a schematic rather than text.
>
>It is important to understand that no emulation is involved and there
>is
>no difference to other logic chips, except that an FPGA can be
>re-configured. Like GALs, just more complex.
>
>From the same hardware description, is is also possible to manufacture
>customized chips, called ASICs, which have a fixed logic.
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-VGA

[John Alexander via Ql-Users]

 Yes , think of it of a high level and standardised method of describing the 
configuration of your FPGA hardware rather than a program for it to execute.For 
example I could define  logic blocks to act as flipflops and attach the input 
to one pin and the out put to another they don't need to  interact with each 
other to perform this so the config maybe sequential once loaded in to the FPGA 
 the resultant Logic config works in parallel or as parallel as you wish to 
design for!JA

On Thursday, 9 January 2020, 13:42:00 GMT, Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Marcel,

On 09/01/2020 10:50, Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users wrote:
> Well, it's a bit like programming, the difference is just that
> basically all lines execute at the same time! If you want something to
> execute sequentially you have to implement a state machine.
 > ...

Thanks. I had a look at the link. Interesting. I don't understand most 
of it, but I recognise some words!

-- 
Norman Dunbar
Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd

Registered address:
27a Lidget Hill
Pudsey
West Yorkshire
United Kingdom
LS28 7LG

Company Number: 05132767
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-VGA

[John Alexander via Ql-Users]

 I have a Book of the Face account but only for those who cant use anything 
else 
Also I used the forum a few times commented and also tried asking for info but 
got nowhere.Problem with that is after awhile with no one talking to you then 
you stop loading up the page and logging in to yet another system and you 
forget it's even there.Pity really ...Ja

On Thursday, 9 January 2020, 09:56:02 GMT, Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users 
 wrote:  
 
 Urs Koenig (QL) via Ql-Users wrote:
>> I'll never have a facebook account. But I do use the Forum.
> Same as me.

Yes, it's a bit of a pity that the discussions tend to get split up
nowadays. The most active thread for QL-VGA is actually the Facebook
one this time, with currently 474 members the QL group there has a
different (more wide spread) audience than even the forum.

Cheers, Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] 15th Sinclair QL Italian meeting

[John Alexander via Ql-Users]

 Hi there will you be doing the live stream again ?...That worked really well!!

On Thursday, 6 September 2018, 14:45:18 GMT+1, Davide Santachiara via 
Ql-Users  wrote:  
 
 Dear All,

The 15th Sinclair QL Italian meeting will take place on Sunday 14th October
at DTM Technologies premises in Modena. We will start around 10:00 and the
meeting will continue till 17:00 with a break of one hour for lunch in the
nearby shopping centre. 

Information to reach the meeting place by car or public transport can be
found clicking here: http://www.dtm.it/home.php?id=40201=1

We will organize educational sessions and we plan to have presentation of
ongoing projects both in Italy as well as abroad. The tentative agenda will
be provided before the meeting.

We would be glad if anybody from the international community would like to
present ongoing or future projects. Please don't be shy!

It will be possible to take part to the meeting via WebEX. Details on how to
connect to the web-conference will be provided separately to the interested
persons. 

For information and support: Davide Santachiara er...@libero.it Mobile +39
328 9454484

Web info and updates: 

Davide Santachiara web site: www.sinclairql.it
Giorgio Garabello web site (Quantum Technology):
http://www.hunggartorino.it/ql/

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Re: [Ql-Users] vDrive QL

[John Alexander via Ql-Users]

Yes particularly as the sample size seems to be 5 units ..hardly enough to make 
large scale economic judgements!

  From: Kenn Van Hauen via Ql-Users 
 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com 
Cc: Kenn Van Hauen 
 Sent: Sunday, 24 September 2017, 16:33
 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] vDrive QL
   
Strange logic. I am pleased that Apple doesn’t say the same when they launch 
new iPhones!

Indeed, I am very grateful for a price-point that allows me to participate as 
an enthusiast...thank you Charles.

Kenn

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Sep 2017, at 16:17, Dave Park via Ql-Users  
> wrote:
> 
> They all sold out in minutes, which means they were priced too low.
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Kurt K via Ql-Users <
> ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:
> 
>> I checked the link for the vDriveQL and all sold out, sadly, hopefully
>> more will be available in the future.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2017, at 3:33 PM, RWAP Software via Ql-Users <
>> ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Charlie Ingley has now listed a batch of his vDriveQL units on
>> sellmyretro :
>>> 
>>> https://www.sellmyretro.com/offer/details/vdrive-ql-28715
>>> 
>>> He has not yet listed the vMap.
>>> 
>>> For those who have not come across this - the vDriveQL connects to the
>> QL microdrive expansion slot (and can be mounted in a ZX Microdrive case if
>> you like) and allows you to allocate microdrive image files to the QL
>> microdrive slots.
>>> 
>>> The vMap is an extra board which plugs into the microdrive connectors on
>> the QL motherboard and allows you to move the slots allocated to the
>> internal microdrive units, so it is then easy to (say) run a copy protected
>> game from a microdrive image file on an SD card mounted in the external
>> vDrive.
>>> 
>>> Rich Mellor RWAP Software www.rwapsoftware.co.uk www.sellmyretro.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advance Notice 2 - Pricing

[John Alexander via Ql-Users]

Put us down for a board and case Derek.John Alexander

  From: Derek Stewart via Ql-Users 
 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com 
Cc: Derek Stewart 
 Sent: Saturday, 9 September 2017, 9:21
 Subject: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advance Notice 2 - Pricing
   
Q68 Price List - Batch 1
---

Q68 board, 4Gb SDHC Card, SMSQ/E: £150.00
Black Case: £20
Belkin Black PS/2 spliter: £2.00

General Release date: 09/10/2017

20 completed and tested Q68 boards, available.

Once this quantity is exceeded, I will order more Q68 PCBs to be 
manufactured.


-- 
Regards,

Derek
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Re: [Ql-Users] Split big ROMs on Q40

[John Alexander]

Probably a good idea to use a pull up resistor (a couple of K will do) rather 
than switching up directly to 5 V


  From: Alain HAOUI 
 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com 
 Sent: Friday, 19 May 2017, 17:20
 Subject: [Ql-Users] Split big ROMs on Q40
   
With Peter Graf's indications and some AM27C4096 ships supplied by Derek
Stewart, I realized a little circuit permitting to have a global ROM size of
1 MegaBytes on Q40 with 2 big OSes (custom SMSQ/E) ROMed together (up to
512KB each) and selectable from a case switch.

 

You can find schematic and some details from forum :

http://qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=20
 =17547#p17547

 

Alain

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum online chat

[John Alexander]

Dilwyn you are a victim of domain keys you need to sort out your Mail man 
instance  to send proper keys not spoof the senders keys causing the mail to be 
rejected often silently
DomainKeys Identified Mail
  
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  From: Graeme Gregory 
 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com 
 Sent: Monday, 15 May 2017, 11:06
 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum online chat
   


On Mon, 15 May 2017, at 11:01 AM, pg...@q40.de wrote:
> On 15 May 2017 at 10:34, Graeme Gregory wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 15 May 2017, at 10:21 AM, Jan Bredenbeek wrote:
> > > On 13 May 2017 at 21:18, Dilwyn Jones  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > This is unplanned and short notice, sorry, seven of us are already on
> > > > Online chat tonight (now) if anyone else would like to join in!
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Didn't miss it, but your mail ended up in my spam box (which happens with
> > > more of your mails). Are you sending mail with a Yahoo-address from Yahoo
> > > itself or through your own server?
> > > 
> > That won t make any difference once its been process by mailing list.
> 
> That's not sure, because the yahoo address remains in the "From" 
> field of the email header, which the spam filter might process.
> 
Yes, but it makes no difference if that was faked in original mail or
not once the mailing list has accepted it ;-)

Graeme
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[Ql-Users] Mail bounces

[John Alexander]

I'm assuming that quite a few have been taken off the list due to excessive 
bounces or similar.We had the same problem with the LUG email guys who were 
forced to upgrade to deal with the Domain Keys thing, Google and Yahoo are the 
most strict as they are the biggest I suppose.
Thinking about it I never see my own email in the list I assume because it was 
bounced back for having a forged Key (naughty QL List!!)
Any one else have a problem ?DomainKeys Identified Mail

  
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Re: [Ql-Users] Stella

[John Alexander]

How can we have a conversation about efficency etc etce then in the next email 
have it all put in an FPGA?



  From: Tony Tebby 
 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, 21 March 2017, 10:40
 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Stella
   
Dave Park thinks that

"So, fair to assume it's a dead project that will never see the light of 
day."

That seems quite reasonable!

The problem can be viewed in two ways

Negatively

1) You need a system development environment that
    a) will support different processors - ruling out assembler
    b) does not impose UNIX type structures - ruling out C, C++, etc

2) You need to develop interface modules (drivers?) for a wide range of 
"peripheral" devices - the device manufacturers will not develop them 
for you.

3) You need to develop an applications base for a new market

4) You need to develop entirely different hardware architectures - this 
century, architectures have become ever more tightly dedicated to UNIX 
(Linux, Windows NT, ...)

Therefore you need $.

Positively

1) A first version of the Stella core was coded in MC68000 assembler and 
benchmarked against Solaris 2 (UNIX SVR4) showing orders of magnitude 
(under unrealistic, best case, benchmark conditions) lower system 
overheads. Sun Microsystems rejected the idea of developing the system 
saying that it would not work on either SPARC systems or symmetric 
multiprocessor systems (false) and that benchmarks were not reliable 
indicators (true). Instead they bought Chorus, a UNIX variant, which 
disappeared without trace. Not everybody will always be so stupid

2) There are signs that the "you can always use a more powerful 
computer" is becoming less acceptable as an excuse for chronically 
inefficient software.

3) There is still no end in sight to the discovery of new "exploits" in 
all sorts of Unix based devices. Unix is fundamentally unsound as well 
as chronically inefficient.

4) Unix type systems will inevitably be wiped out by other systems. We 
could hope that, unlike Unix, these will be theoretically sound and fit 
for purpose. This may not happen in our lifetime.

5) The only real barrier is ignorance. The story of Android is 
illustrative. If, in 2005, Google had known that they could have 
developed an entirely new operating system and had it up and running 
sooner than trying to kludge something out of Linux, would they have 
bought Android Inc. for $50M? Of course not, but they did not know.

Tony






On 18/03/2017 12:49, Ralf Reköndt wrote:
> I think, TT reads here, so he makes his own thougths about people, who 
> still remember his projects and are still interested in these.
>
> - Original Message - From: "Dave Park"
>
>> So, fair to assume it's a dead project that will never see the light 
>> of day.
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Norman Dunbar
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry Dave,  I seem to have an inability to use a tablet! The url was
>>> supposed to be:
>>>
>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20050914114333/http://thgodef.
>>> nerim.net/qdos/stella/intro.html
>>>
>>> but I suspect it's Arnauld's page on Thierry's site which you 
>>> mentioned.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Norm.
>>> -- 
>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. 
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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql-Users Digest, Vol 156, Issue 4

[John Alexander]

To be honest that could do with a bit of SPAMming so people know its happening 
Say a week before leave it a day or two then once a day  until the date.Yes 
that means you have 5-6 emails but it aint a biggie really.I found it improved 
attendance at our Linux User Group tremendously ...People are naturally lazy 
and often very busy with all the other tat that sweeps thrrough their email box 
!
I'll have to join in sometime, the last time I tried I found the mail just as 
every one had left ...case in point I feel
Keep it up .. John A

  From: Colin McKay 
 To: ql-users  
 Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2017, 11:14
 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Ql-Users Digest, Vol 156, Issue 4
   
Dilwyn,

Hmm! Saturday night is TV night. Besides that wouldn't an earlier notice be more
fruitful. We don't all live by the laptop. Not that I'd have much to contribute
in any case.

Colin McKay

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>    Message: 1
>    Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2017 13:44:08 -
>    From: "Dilwyn Jones" 
>    To: "QL-Users list" 
>    Subject: [Ql-Users] QL Forum Online Chat
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>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
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>    If anyone would like to join us on the QL Forum Online Chat tonight,
> please join us at about 8pm UK/UTC time.
> 
>    The easiest way is to just visit qlforum.co.uk and click on the Online
> Chat link near the top of the page. A small box will appear to ask for the
> name you?d like to use ? just type in the name and click on CONNECT. You don?t
> even have to be logged in to QL Forum.
> 
>    Dilwyn Jones
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Re: [Ql-Users] Behaviour of DIV with negative numbers in SBASIC (QPC2)

[John Alexander]

I'm sure it was written in C, I've not seen a dump of that about (is there one 
BTW??) As such an assembly dump of the ROM would be quite different to what was 
originally written.
Could Tony enlighten us on that bit of history? 
Cheers John Alexander 

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  On Wed, 11 Jan, 2017 at 12:51, Marcel Kilgus<ql-us...@mail.kilgus.net> wrote: 
  Tony Tebby wrote:
> If the divisor is negative, there is a problem. The "Euclidian division"
> definition requires that the remainder be between 0 and |divisor|-1. 
> This would seem to be a rather less than rigorous definition as 
> |divisor| is not a continuous function. In SBASIC the MOD function gives
> a remainder with the same sign as the divisor, which seemed, at the 
> time, to be more conventional, more logical and more useful. This forces
> the use of the "floored division" approach (second graph in the Wiki 
> article Modulo Operation) as described by Tobias. Floored division for
> DIV was not the choice, it was a consequence of the choice made for the
> MOD operation.
>
> Tony Tebby

Always good to hear the back-story to these things, thanks Tony! I've
fixed a minor bug in SBasic a few days ago and I'm simply amazed by
the amount of work that went into that code. Often I have a hard time
understanding halve of it, but I guess after all this time you
wouldn't fare much better? :-)

Cheers, Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] Online Chat

[John Alexander]

I'm all alone on the chat not even a Wumpus!!!
;-0
John A

  From: Dilwyn Jones 
 To: QL Users List  
 Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2016, 20:25
 Subject: [Ql-Users] Online Chat
   
Some of us are already on the Online Chat on QL Forum tonight. I appreciate I’m 
a bit late sending this, but you are all welcome to join in!

Just go to www.qlforum.co.uk and click on Online Chat, enter a ‘nickname’ for 
yourself and click on CONNECT.

Dilwyn


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Re: [Ql-Users] R: QL Italian meeting WebEx session

[John Alexander]

It was good enough to enthuse me to get a "QL" fired up and do some 
programming!Thanks Davide.
John A

  From: "d.santachi...@libero.it" 
 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com 
 Sent: Monday, 21 November 2016, 12:29
 Subject: [Ql-Users] R: QL Italian meeting WebEx session
   
Hi Derek,

Thank you, we will prepare reports and we will share videos, the latter of
course will take a little bit more time. In the meanwhile  I will provide a
brief report soon.

Regards

Davide



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Stewart
Inviato: lunedì 21 novembre 2016 11.18
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Oggetto: Re: [Ql-Users] QL Italian meeting WebEx session

Hi Davide,

My apologies for not attending via Webex, did you do any video or
photographs of the meeting. I would be interested to see them.

Regards,

Derek

On 20/11/16 12:34, d.santachi...@libero.it wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> We will restart with the English WebEx session of the 13th Sinclair QL 
> Italian meeting at 15:00
>
> https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/#/meetings/detail?uuid=M2M8EU73OF6B
> Z0T8BV
> 7BEWEY0R-1PI1=661457.41064
> Meeting number 236 059 509
>
> Kind regards
>
> Davide
>
>
>
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: Ql-Users [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] Per conto di 
> d.santachi...@libero.it
> Inviato: venerdì 4 novembre 2016 10.32
> A: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> Oggetto: [Ql-Users] QL Italian meeting
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I take again the chance to inform that if anybody is interested to 
> make even a very short speech at our Italian meeting on Sunday 20th of 
> November, subscriptions are open :-)
>
> Subjects for intervention are free (i.e. QPC2, SMSQ/E, software or 
> hardware etc.), baseline is to manage everything via web-ex sessions.
>
> Instead if there are listeners interested I would need their email 
> address to send-out the web-ex link (which can be used also on e.g. 
> tablets with the appropriate app).
>
> Regards
>
> Davide
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Re: [Ql-Users] More Help Please

[John Alexander]

On 18/06/16 22:46, Graeme Gregory wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jun 2016, at 10:46 PM, Norman Dunbar wrote:

Hi Derek,

QT source code is available for download,  so porting could be done.
However, it's written in C++ as opposed to plain C, so we would need to
port gcc or g++ first.

I suspect it's a non starter.


It also needs a few hundred megs of RAM to compile!

Graeme
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I feel a need for a mega QL based on say an FPGA and a wedge of RAM

This QL deserves to Eat All The Pies (tm)

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q60 aging problems

[John Alexander]

Removal of high pin count through hole devices can be done with the proper kit 
no real problem. no doubt many of the repair techs here are doing it 
regularly.How ever it's not for the feint hearted or those who havent got the 
kit and practiced before as such it makes for a PITA job.
John A
  From: derek 
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 Sent: Friday, 11 March 2016, 23:22
 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Q60 aging problems
   
Hi,

I would be careful desoldering a PLCC chip, the D  Q60 was soldered correctly 
under the correct soldering temperature. 

I have repaired some Qbranch Q40 boards, which had issues with the over heating 
of the soldering, resulting in detachment of the through hole plating.




Regards

Derek


 Original message 
From: Thierry Godefroy  
Date: 11/03/2016  23:03  (GMT+00:00) 
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com 
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Q60 aging problems 

On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 23:17:52 +0100, Peter Graf wrote:

> .../...
> > No chance to get a "larger" (i.e. with more gates) CPLD that would fit
> > the same socket ?... Or perhaps by using a modern and larger (in both
> > size and number of gates) CPLD that would piggy-back on the old CPLD
> > socket via a small adpater printed circuit ?...
> 
> I have considered that, but adaptors which fit into PLCC are
> prohibitively expensive and hard to get.

Well, the mod could also involve unsoldering the PLCC (correct me if
I'm wrong but IRC, it's a through-holes one) and replacing it with
pinheads, for example, that would plug into the add-on board.

> > A native 800x600 resolution would be a definitive (and probably the
> > best) solution to the problem, so I think it would be worth investigating
> > some more its feasability...
> 
> Still 800x600 would require change of all three operating systems

These are extremely *minor* and *easy* changes (and SMSQ/E can already
cope with 800x600 screens)...

> and several pieces of application software! Moreover, software that directly
> writes into QL 512x256 would fail, like the beloved QL Chess.

Frankly, such old pieces of software are probably best ran from emulators
if they can't cope with variable size/address display... They would also
fail to run on a QXL in (S)VGA mode or on an Aurora/SGC system too. I won't
call this an issue and I think this kind of "incompatibility" should not
limit and forbid us to get a better Q60 display...

> .../...
> > However, another issue with this solution could be the lack of room to
> > piggy-back a daughter board on the EPROM slots, especially with the 2
> > ISA slots occupied and a heat-sink+fan on the 68060...
> 
> It depends. Using SMD components, the board could be about as small as
> the ROM socket area.

In this case, I think it's still worth a solution...

> Q68 runs about QXL speed, even without the cache I am working on.

Not bad at all.

> Features
>
> - Plain 68000 core, 68020 nearly complete
> - 32 MB SDRAM
> - PS/2 keyboard and mouse
> - Two fullsize SD card interfaces
> - SER
> - Ethernet
> - Battery buffered RTC (and yes, the battery is separate!)

:-D

> - Stereo sound
> - Up to 1024x768 VESA VGA, QL modes in hardware
> - 8x10 cm board size, fitting existing nice case
> - Single 5V power supply
> 
> I demonstrated my Q68 at the "QL is 30" show, where someone took a picture:
> 
> http://www.qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=12=1087=10
> 
> Meanwhile I replaced the wired components you see on that picture by SMD
> for machine manufacture. QDOS Classic and Minerva are running, but
> issues with QL-SD driver and Pointer Environment.

Sounds and looks good... The small size would make it an ideal "portable"
QL...

Thierry.
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL Workshop in Manchester - 26th 27th September 2015

[John Alexander]

On 29/05/15 08:59, Rich Mellor wrote:
NEMQLUG have asked if I could promote a QL workshop which they are 
running in Manchester on the weekend of 26th and 27th September.


Everyone is invited to attend - would be great if Paul could come 
along with some QL-SD interfaces for sale (for example).


I am hoping that I will be fit enough to attend also  :D

More details appear on my website:

www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/nemqlug-Sep2015-qlevent.jpg

Would of really liked to have come since I've not been to one in years 
and years however I'm not available that weekend.

Is any one else doing one on another date.

John Alexander
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Re: [Ql-Users] Firefox speed problems (OT)

[John Alexander]

Similar here 130Mbit down 10ish  up ...which is one to shabby

On 01/03/15 18:12, Norman Dunbar wrote:

Evening All,


just out of interest I tried running a speed test on a Linux laptop, 
with Firefox, utilising Flashplayer.


I pay for 30 mb/s and the speed test showed a download of 61.45 mb/s 
with an upload speed of just under 3.98 mb/s.


Being on Virgin, we got a free upgrade some time back to double what 
we pay for, so the above is pretty accurate. Apparently, later this 
year, we get another freebie to 100 mb/s and a doubling (plus?) on the 
upload speeds too.


I don't work for Virgin by the way, just a satisfied customer.


Cheers,
Norm.



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Re: [Ql-Users] New Sinclair Style PC

[John Alexander]

It is unfortunately a games console of sorts which stopped me from 
backing it not that I dislike games but would like to program it as well.
From that point of view I think it's very unlikely to have the puff to 
drive even the original QL  as an emulator.


John

On 18/12/14 17:22, Norman Dunbar wrote:

If we are all talking about the same thing, one of the backers is Sir Clive! It 
is to be a games console only as far as I'm aware.

I read an interview online recently about him, and it, but I can't remember 
where now!


Cheers,
Norm.

On 18 December 2014 16:58:35 GMT+00:00, Dilwyn Jones 
dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote:



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Re: [Ql-Users] Ethernet chit chat...

[John Alexander]

Doesn't the CS8900a get more coverage on the Arduino space (probably why 
it got mentioned)


Probably not a bad idea thieve the code out ine from an Arduino driver 
or something so you can do basic Ethernet

Then add a stack du jour  for the IPv4 example;
http://fnet.sourceforge.net/

Personally the idea of using say a £13 tl-wr703 router as the physical 
interconnect and a SLIP link may be a goer.




On 15/04/14 20:45, Peter Graf wrote:

Dave Park wrote:


Peter, could you outline what is available for the CS8900A, please?

For the QL? Nothing, as far as I know.

Are you asking a different Peter? I proposed the CP2200.

Peter

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Re: [Ql-Users] Ethernet chit chat...

[John Alexander]

Could save a lot of dev effort and choose any one of the  following

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40_sacat=0_nkw=arduino+ethernet_sop=2

Then your contribution is the base board to interface the Ethernet  board
to the QL. Idea been start from a cheap known good solution testable on 
another platform

then work back to the QL with minimum outlay in dev gear

On 15/04/14 22:45, Dave Park wrote:

Please add the CP2200 to the list of devices under consideration.

I did just look it up and it is comparable in features to the CS8900A. With
a brief search, I might be able to buy CS2200-based ethernet cards and
harvest all the components needed off them quite economically, for example.

I am a little disheartened that ethernet on the Qx0 is not used by any
QDOSMSQ* versions.

Dave




On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Graeme Gregory gra...@xora.org.uk wrote:


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:29:23PM +0200, Marcel Kilgus wrote:

Wiznet:

+ TCP/IP included. Implementation of socket API for QL probably pretty

easy.

+ Reliefs slow 68008 main processor. But then I seriously question what
   original QL owners are going to do with this thing anyway.
- Only 4 parallel connections. That's 4 more than QLs usually have,
   but still not exactly many.
- IPv4 only with no way to upgrade if it is ever deemed necessary.

All in all I'd say a real Ethernet chip would be much more
future-proof... if you can get the software for it working.


Of course the W5300 is also a proper ethernet chip as well, linux has
a driver for it not using the internal stack!

G

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Re: [Ql-Users] Ethernet chit chat...

[John Alexander]

Several different designs there but the majority of the chips used are
5V tolerant I/O. I'm glad  some one appreciates the thought  just 
wondering why
there's such a problem putting a single chip Ethernet port on a computer 
that it's

taken 30 years to do it.

Any way the IPv4 stack and more importantly the Apps will consume more 
effort than the
physical interface and as said previously you can always test on a SLIP 
connection

On 15/04/14 23:24, Dave Park wrote:

That device, while cheap, has no 5v tolerance. The level translation, while
simple to do, is relatively expensive in terms of components + board space.
In the end, it erases most of the cost benefit. Also, it doesn't fit within
the package profile of how UltimIDE and UltraQ will pair together to just
have this extra board and connector sticking out somewhere. The components
and socket would need to be integrated into the form factor.

I do appreciate the thought, and for most other uses this would be the
right choice. It just doesn't work for this specific application. It's hard
to set out all the parameters that put boundaries on this up front, because
if I explained every design goal and restriction and 'desired element'
there really wouldn't be any choices left. Whatever is chosen, there will
be some compromises and some people will be unhappy. I can just try to make
an informed decision. In this case, an informed decision is the decision
that most gives prospect of a usable QL ethernet system.

Dave


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 5:13 PM, John Alexander
acontractor...@yahoo.co.ukwrote:


Could save a lot of dev effort and choose any one of the  following

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40_sacat=0_nkw=
arduino+ethernet_sop=2

Then your contribution is the base board to interface the Ethernet  board
to the QL. Idea been start from a cheap known good solution testable on
another platform
then work back to the QL with minimum outlay in dev gear


On 15/04/14 22:45, Dave Park wrote:


Please add the CP2200 to the list of devices under consideration.

I did just look it up and it is comparable in features to the CS8900A.
With
a brief search, I might be able to buy CS2200-based ethernet cards and
harvest all the components needed off them quite economically, for
example.

I am a little disheartened that ethernet on the Qx0 is not used by any
QDOSMSQ* versions.

Dave




On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Graeme Gregory gra...@xora.org.uk
wrote:

  On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:29:23PM +0200, Marcel Kilgus wrote:

Wiznet:

+ TCP/IP included. Implementation of socket API for QL probably pretty


easy.


+ Reliefs slow 68008 main processor. But then I seriously question what
original QL owners are going to do with this thing anyway.
- Only 4 parallel connections. That's 4 more than QLs usually have,
but still not exactly many.
- IPv4 only with no way to upgrade if it is ever deemed necessary.

All in all I'd say a real Ethernet chip would be much more
future-proof... if you can get the software for it working.

  Of course the W5300 is also a proper ethernet chip as well, linux has

a driver for it not using the internal stack!

G

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Re: [Ql-Users] Ethernet chit chat...

[John Alexander]

If the parts are decided then the final choice is merely how many and 
how much

as you state here

On 15/04/14 23:37, Dave Park wrote:

Yes please :)

I have five WizNet WS5300 and five CP8900A here. I don't have any CS2200.
Having another 20 or so is about $120 of reduced cost just for the chips
alone, which is very attractive since I am trying to do this project as
affordably as possible for buyers without making a profit myself.

I'll mail you off-list.

Dave


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Malcolm malc...@essex.ac.uk wrote:


Dave, I think I have up to 25 Wiznet chips and unpopulated PCB's (SPI
interface) unused from an abandoned project. You can have them if it helps.
The PCB like all my designs was created using the QL PCBDesign software so
it can easily be altered to the QL bus.

On 15 April 2014 22:45:55 BST, Dave Park d...@sinclairql.com wrote:

Please add the CP2200 to the list of devices under consideration.

I did just look it up and it is comparable in features to the CS8900A.
With
a brief search, I might be able to buy CS2200-based ethernet cards and
harvest all the components needed off them quite economically, for
example.

I am a little disheartened that ethernet on the Qx0 is not used by any
QDOSMSQ* versions.

Dave




On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Graeme Gregory gra...@xora.org.uk
wrote:


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:29:23PM +0200, Marcel Kilgus wrote:

Wiznet:

+ TCP/IP included. Implementation of socket API for QL probably

pretty

easy.

+ Reliefs slow 68008 main processor. But then I seriously question

what

   original QL owners are going to do with this thing anyway.
- Only 4 parallel connections. That's 4 more than QLs usually have,
   but still not exactly many.
- IPv4 only with no way to upgrade if it is ever deemed necessary.

All in all I'd say a real Ethernet chip would be much more
future-proof... if you can get the software for it working.


Of course the W5300 is also a proper ethernet chip as well, linux has
a driver for it not using the internal stack!

G

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Re: [Ql-Users] New QL

[John Alexander]

This is certainly a good way to go but I was wondering if development 
would go to

a QL video layout as well as peripherals or go for something all new(ish)
68Kish +QDOS(ish) + Modern(ish) peripherals

Also there is so many FPGA boards about I would suggest ones which are 
very widely available

or follow ones that are e.g.
http://papilio.cc/
Or the Pipistrello which I also have which has a much faster FPGA(bigger 
better faster is good honest ;) )

http://pipistrello.saanlima.com/index.php?title=Welcome_to_Pipistrello

John Alexander

On 21/03/14 11:15, Peter wrote:

Hi again,

sorry I replied to this post privately by mistake. I debugged that 68K
core myself. If it worked well enough for QL assembly code, the Q68 would
have been ready for ages.

Peter



Hi,
Just spotted this for $65. It's able to run a 68K core with 32MB RAM,
4096 VGA, and USB and SD/MMC slot. Source for the 68K is available for
download.
http://www.fleasystems.com/fleaFPGA.html
Malcolm

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Re: [Ql-Users] New QL

[John Alexander]

Question here is what instructions are missing I don't think that the Amiga ran 
an entirely different 

68K instruction set. Yes may be the instruction coverage may be different but 
in practice most sequences
are going to be covered. Also there are several 68K cores so the question is 
also which one.

Yep I know the other question is who fixes it all ??? By the sounds of things 
some one feels volunteered ?
Either way  who knows what needs to be fixed ?!

Also Pete is right software and FPGA programming is different we appreciate 
that !




On Friday, 21 March 2014, 18:13, pg...@q40.de pg...@q40.de wrote:
 
On 21 Mar 2014 at 18:35, Ralf Reköndt wrote:

 So we should start a Crowdfunding so someone (TT or MK) can write the 
 suitable things...?

Not sure what you mean. In case you are thinking about rewriting QL 
software so it avoids misimplemented CPU instructions, that would 
require knowing all CPU instructions which are still affected. I 
can't tell yet, otherwise I would probably have fixed them.

In case you are thinking about hiring someone to design a better 
CPU, I'm not sure if software developers are the ones to ask. This 
is not software, it's hardware design. I'm sure folks like Daniele, 
Richard and Marcel know a lot about 68K instructions, but it seems 
unlikely one of them would also like to learn chip design.

Many people misinterpret the fact that the logic cells and 
connections within an FPGA can be reprogrammed. They think some 
emulation would take place. But there are real logic cells and real 
wires just like in a fixed 68K IC. The integrated circuit design 
process has very little in common with writing software.


Peter

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[Ql-Users] QL is 30 event!

[John Alexander]

Um my last email seems to have got eaten by da internet here it is again:



I have written to Mike who runs the Cambridge Raspberry Jam to see if we 
can invade one of those after all it gets us to Cambridge in a nice 
place  with kindred spirits around .


Emulation of the QL via the Pi may also be a talking point.

It's only been a day and he's not come back as of yet so lets see what 
he comes back with!


Any further ideas from the list ?

John A
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[Ql-Users] I have written to Mike who runs the Cambridge Raspberry Jam to

[John Alexander]

I have written to Mike who runs the Cambridge Raspberry Jam to see if we 
can invade one of those after all it gets us to Cambridge in a nice 
place  with kindred spirits around .


Emulation of the QL via the Pi may also be a talking point.

It's only been a day and he's not come back as of yet so lets see what 
he comes back with!


Any further ideas from the list ?

John A



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[Ql-Users] Cambridge Raspberry jam

[John Alexander]

Since I know a few QLers went tot he Jam and there's a move to emulate on the 
'Pi etc I thought 

the group may get some entertainment out of the Vids I stuck up on Y'tube 

http://www.element14.com/community/people/Problemchild/blog/2013/09/29/cambridge-raspberry-jam-sept-13
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Re: [Ql-Users] Cambridge Raspberry jam

[John Alexander]

I'd be interested in seeing how well the emulator ran on the Odroid Hardware 
since there are 4 and 4+4 core versions
at 1.7GHZ++ 2 GB of ram etc..Grrr




 From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com 
Sent: Sunday, 29 September 2013, 21:04
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Cambridge Raspberry jam
 

Tobias Fröschle a ysgrifennodd:

 ...and for those who haven't found it yet, it's in the EMU (emulators cd) 
 directory, well hidden!
 Dilwyn
 It was hard to build, so it must be hard to find ;)

:-))

A lot of people waited for this release, I think!

Dilwyn 

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC and standby

[John Alexander]

I wonder if it's not receiving  the interrupt to regenerate the screen thus 
effectively crashing when the window needs to be regenerated after sleep?



--- On Mon, 10/6/13, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk
Subject: [Ql-Users] QPC and standby
To: QL-Users list ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Monday, 10 June, 2013, 12:51

Since my PC came back from repair, QPC2 has started exhibiting an irritating 
behaviour when the PC goes into standby (manually or automatically after a 
period of inactivity). The repair was the wireless card, although the OS was 
reinstalled.

If the QPC2 is left open, it locks up after coming out of standby – usual 
egg-timer icon or greyed out display.

If QPC2 is running, but minimised to the taskbar before standby, it usually 
continues to work OK afterward.

The OS is Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit with Service Pack 1.

Any ideas what might be causing this, or what settings I should check?

Dilwyn Jones
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Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs

[John Alexander]

It's probably the sparkle that's blocking their view of the markings ;)

--- On Mon, 11/3/13, Dave Park plasticu...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Dave Park plasticu...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Monday, 11 March, 2013, 0:49

People are welcome to send photos too, but please remember to send them to
d...@sinclairql.com and not to the list. :)

BUT... how could it be?! QLers are a youthful and spritely bunch with a
sparkle in their eye that belies their years!

Dave


On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 5:38 PM, John Alexander
acontractor...@yahoo.co.ukwrote:

 I suspect that many folk who have such devices are maybe long enough in
 the tooth not to really see those markings especially after xx years.

 A really nice simple way of getting accurate results is merely to
 photograph the board with your compact camera assuming you have a decent
 Macro. This is a great way of getting all sorts of board information
 depending on circumstance..

 Yeah I know it's obvious but I'm sure that it's sooo obvious that many an
 owner will be cursing over that faded writing :)

 Good luck John A

 --- On Sun, 10/3/13, Francois Lanciault francoislancia...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

 From: Francois Lanciault francoislancia...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
 Date: Sunday, 10 March, 2013, 18:36

 Difficult to read as some of the characters have worn off...

 Looks like:

 EP1810LC-20T
 A9119

 Yellow gold card with just the name Gold Card. Not working.

 Will look at my super goldcard eventually.

 F.

 On 2013-03-10, at 13:53, Dave Park wrote:

  Hi everyone,
 
  I was wondering if you could take a minute out of your day to help us?
  We're trying to solve a problem by better understanding it. This requires
  that we collect information about what works, to see how big a pool of
  components is.
 
  If you have a Gold Card or Super Gold Card, we'd like some information
  about it. In particular, we'd like to know the date and model of the
 Altera
  chip your card has.
 
  What we already know is that some time in the late 90s, Altera made a
  revision to the chip which made it unsuitable for using in SGCs. We're
  trying to work out the complete date range of that chip as used on SGCs
 so
  we can see how broad the date range is that we can buy from.
 
  Also, we know the Gold Card used some slower versions of the IC, but many
  also used the faster version, which is suitable for re-use in a Super
 Gold
  Card.
 
  If you could please just remove your GC/SGC from your system and look at
  the Altera chip, you will see markings (which may be under a sticker
 saying
  INGOT #) like this:
 
  ALTERA
  EP1810LC-25T
  C9301
 
  Could you please write these markings down?
 
  Next, if it's a Gold Card, please turn it over and note if it says Gold
  Card, Gold Card Issue 2, or Gold Card 3? Also, could you follow this
 link: CPU
  Toolkit http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/tk/cputk.zip and see if your card can
 run
  at 24 MHz?
 
  If it's a Super Gold Card you do not need to do this.
 
  If you have the original SAFT 40LF220 red battery on your card, can you
  please check the date code, which will be in the format YY MM.
 
  Finally, there's an EPROM on your card. Could you please write down what
 it
  says on the label? If you know that this has been changed since the card
  was made, please could you add a note of that?
 
  Next, could you email that information to d...@sinclairql.com please?
 
  Now would be a good time to blow away the dust and check all socketed
 chips
  are seated properly before re-assembling and testing your system :)
 
  We will collate the date ranges for each model, and get a much clearer
  picture of which versions/dates were used in which cards.
 
  We will publish the results.
 
  Thank you for doing this for us. We really appreciate it.
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Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs

[John Alexander]

I suspect that many folk who have such devices are maybe long enough in the 
tooth not to really see those markings especially after xx years.

A really nice simple way of getting accurate results is merely to photograph 
the board with your compact camera assuming you have a decent Macro. This is a 
great way of getting all sorts of board information depending on circumstance..

Yeah I know it's obvious but I'm sure that it's sooo obvious that many an owner 
will be cursing over that faded writing :)

Good luck John A

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From: Francois Lanciault francoislancia...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Sunday, 10 March, 2013, 18:36

Difficult to read as some of the characters have worn off...

Looks like:

EP1810LC-20T
A9119

Yellow gold card with just the name Gold Card. Not working.

Will look at my super goldcard eventually.

F.

On 2013-03-10, at 13:53, Dave Park wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 
 I was wondering if you could take a minute out of your day to help us?
 We're trying to solve a problem by better understanding it. This requires
 that we collect information about what works, to see how big a pool of
 components is.
 
 If you have a Gold Card or Super Gold Card, we'd like some information
 about it. In particular, we'd like to know the date and model of the Altera
 chip your card has.
 
 What we already know is that some time in the late 90s, Altera made a
 revision to the chip which made it unsuitable for using in SGCs. We're
 trying to work out the complete date range of that chip as used on SGCs so
 we can see how broad the date range is that we can buy from.
 
 Also, we know the Gold Card used some slower versions of the IC, but many
 also used the faster version, which is suitable for re-use in a Super Gold
 Card.
 
 If you could please just remove your GC/SGC from your system and look at
 the Altera chip, you will see markings (which may be under a sticker saying
 INGOT #) like this:
 
 ALTERA
 EP1810LC-25T
 C9301
 
 Could you please write these markings down?
 
 Next, if it's a Gold Card, please turn it over and note if it says Gold
 Card, Gold Card Issue 2, or Gold Card 3? Also, could you follow this link: CPU
 Toolkit http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/tk/cputk.zip and see if your card can run
 at 24 MHz?
 
 If it's a Super Gold Card you do not need to do this.
 
 If you have the original SAFT 40LF220 red battery on your card, can you
 please check the date code, which will be in the format YY MM.
 
 Finally, there's an EPROM on your card. Could you please write down what it
 says on the label? If you know that this has been changed since the card
 was made, please could you add a note of that?
 
 Next, could you email that information to d...@sinclairql.com please?
 
 Now would be a good time to blow away the dust and check all socketed chips
 are seated properly before re-assembling and testing your system :)
 
 We will collate the date ranges for each model, and get a much clearer
 picture of which versions/dates were used in which cards.
 
 We will publish the results.
 
 Thank you for doing this for us. We really appreciate it.
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Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Something I have been playing with...

[John Alexander]

Is that 14MHZ or the 2x7.5 MHZ of the original ?
I had the 68020 working well at that and double again...i.e. Synchronous 
The length of the 68K bus been dragged out of the DIN connector at the end  is 
getting to be a issue especially as a wire wrap.
I personally don't think any of your code is actually been run is 32 bit static 
RAM just still in the old stuff.I think you will get an even better improvement 
if you force code to be there.

If I still have it I'll post a pic of a bright GOLD (bumper paint is cool) QL 
with a wire wrapped 68020 in the side.. Should be a blast from the 80's

And yes I would be very interested in seeing your work... regards John A

PSanyone fiddling with the 68881?


--- On Sat, 9/3/13, Dave Park plasticu...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Dave Park plasticu...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Something I have been playing with...
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Saturday, 9 March, 2013, 17:09

I shall do it, eventually.

Meanwhile, I am very interested in the 68020 adapted Thors. Does
anyone on-list have one? Mine's a Thor XVI (with video issues, but
that's another thread) so it just has a 68000@8MHz, though I am
working on an upgrade for that, too :)

Dave

On 3/9/13, Ian Burkinshaw ian.burkins...@btopenworld.com wrote:
 Hi Dave

 Sounds interesting, I would be interested in a write up and schematic.

 Could be a good basis for QL based controller/computer. Sort of like
 Raspberry Pi but without the Linux.. Just build what you need for a given
 application.

 As you say nifty.

 Ian Burkinshaw
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 From: Dave Park plasticu...@gmail.com
 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
 Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:20 PM
 Subject: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Something I have been playing with...


 Hi all,

 Mostly copied over from qlforum.co.uk, so if you read it there, sorry for
 the redundancy!

 Today I ran a loop on an unexpanded QL in monitor mode (US model, has weird
 interrupts) and then with a 68EC020, a GC and a SGC.

 100 PRINT DATE$
 110 FOR loop = 0 to 10 : NEXT loop
 120 PRINT DATE$

 It's a good timewaster. It just moves things around, takes a certain amount
 of time.

 Machine         Time
 Bare QL         2m17s
 My 14MHz EC020  1m01s
 My 020+RAM      0m39s
 Gold Card       0m29s
 Super Gold Card 0m12s


 My first line is an MC68EC020 running just pure QL hardware. I can't get it
 reliable above 14MHz so that was the speed for the test.

 My second, faster line is with 512MB of 16-bit SRAM added, and a simple PAL
 address decoder that allows the 020 to access the memory in its native
 width.

 Rounding off, with QL = 1, basic 020@14MHz = 2.3, 020+RAM = 3.5, GC = 4.8,
 SGC = 12.5

 So I have a little way to go, I think. However, 2.3x achieved by around £40
 of components is... nifty.

 If this gets people wildly excited, I'll write up a how-to and a schematic

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Re: [Ql-Users] R-pi

[John Alexander]

To Be fair Bryan I'm using a supadupa 32GB 45MB/s card and this costs a 
whopping £20 fro Amazon a cheaper 32GB is just £13 so really these or smaller 
still cheaper cards arn't 
Going to break the bank.
Personally I would invest in a faster card anyway as it really does seem to 
make a difference in the usability of the RPi !!

John


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From: Bryan Horstmann b...@newlan.org
Subject: [Ql-Users] R-pi
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Sunday, 21 October, 2012, 14:42

Hello All,

I've loaded an SD card with the Raspian-wheezy recommended and it just goes 
onto a 2G with 20M to spare.  All that just to host a tiny QL emulator. 'Twould 
be nice if the ARM could emulate the 68000 and we could go straight on.  There 
are minimal distros I understand, and I would like one to use solely for the QL 
emulator.  Will have to get a bigger SD if I come to do anything more 
adventurous.  Will the Ql emulator fit in the spare 20M?

Bryan H

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Re: [Ql-Users] Assembler demo

[John Alexander]

Happens to us all!!!

John

--- On Thu, 18/10/12, Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk wrote:

From: Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Assembler demo
To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com
Date: Thursday, 18 October, 2012, 12:01

On 17/10/12 09:28, John Alexander wrote:

 I'm thinking that this may give you some current ARM 1337 5k1ll5 or some such 
 ;)

And there was me trying to figure out exactly what an ARM 1337 was. Sigh!


Cheers,
Norm.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Assembler demo

[John Alexander]

Michael have you considered doing  a 'Pi demo ?
I'm thinking that this may give you some current ARM 1337 5k1ll5 or some such ;)

John A


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From: Michael Grunditz michael.grund...@gmail.com
Subject: [Ql-Users] Assembler demo
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 8:37

Hi all!

I am going to start demohacking on smsq atari. Do you have suggestion on
assembler debugger and docs?

Br

Michael
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - Model B - 512 MB RAM

[John Alexander]

Chances are you no longer have backups as the data as probably fell 
off(Demagnetised) well before they even ceased up!

--- On Wed, 17/10/12, Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk wrote:

From: Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - Model B - 512 MB RAM
To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com
Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 9:33

On 16/10/12 22:08, Malcolm Cadman wrote:

 If it is 256MB, then you have the 'Model A'.
Now that would be difficult as there is no Model A on sale yet. ;-)
It's definitely a Model B - it has USB (2) and Ethernet. Neither of which, the 
A has.

 Also, as the SD Card is the OS source at present, then we can experiment
 with different flavours of OS on different Cards.
Indeed. I recently purchased a couple of 8GB SD cards at Costco for £4 each. 
(Inc VAT.)

 Then we will be adding larger storage USB Hard drives, etc, and I guess
 we will have multiple boot options.
Mine is running with an 8 Gb Sd card, a 60 Gb USB drive, another 500 Gb USB 
drive partitioned as a 350 Gb Ext 3 and a 150 Gb FAT32 partition plus a USB 
Floppy. ;-)

Talking of floppies, I noticed a lot of my old QL floppies (DD, HD, different 
manufacturers) are now stuck or extremely stiff. Does anyone have a working 
(and data safe) method of freeing up the internals to make the discs readable 
again? (Not the drives, the floppies themselves).

What's the point of having two boxes of backups if the damned things don't turn 
in the drive. Sigh!


Cheers,
Norm.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - Model B - 512 MB RAM

[John Alexander]

I'm working away and typically after ordering a couple of Pis from CPC I get a 
very belated email from RS saying that they are shipping my order.. does any 
one know if this batch from RS is 512MB as well or are they behind on this one 
as well as everything else!?


--- On Wed, 17/10/12, Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk wrote:

From: Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - Model B - 512 MB RAM
To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com
Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 9:35

On 17/10/12 09:33, Norman Dunbar wrote:
 It's definitely a Model B - it has USB (2) and Ethernet. Neither of
 which, the A has.
Except, of course, the A has a single USB port.

And, if you are interested, they are now made in Wales - if you buy from 
Farnell/Element 14. RS are still manufacturing in China.


Cheers,
Norm.

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Re: [Ql-Users] My slice of Pi

[John Alexander]

Hi the Pi gives composite and it's colour not B/W it also does both NTSC and 
PAL the switch for which is in that config file in /boot (name forgotdoh)

Mine worked immediately on my TV and a mates monitor made from a broken 
portable DVD in a laser cut case


BTW the Composite/Scart adaptor is merely a passive device connecting the phono 
output to the particular pins on the SCART no real magic involved

Your TV may have some configuration problem can you plug an old vcr or DV into 
the composite port ?

John

--- On Tue, 16/10/12, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote:

From: Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] My slice of Pi
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Tuesday, 16 October, 2012, 21:34

In message 
1350286344.22422.yahoomailclas...@web29404.mail.ird.yahoo.com, John 
Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk writes

Hi John,

I would be interested to know if your composite video connection works 
directly with the Pi.

Connecting directly to the input on my TV does not work.

Yet, I have found a 'work around' by connecting a Scart to Composite 
convertor plug. The latter I found was available for 1ukp at a local 
PoundLand.

The display is then in BW.

Sound is available, too, with a separate mini-jack plug to RCA phone 
plug at the Scart adaptor.

Now I can what Pi is doing ... :-)



Yes it has a composite output as well

--- On Fri, 12/10/12, Bryan Horstmann b...@newlan.org wrote:

From: Bryan Horstmann b...@newlan.org
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] My slice of Pi
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Friday, 12 October, 2012, 15:09

On 12/10/2012 02:38, q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote:
 Hi,

 Finally received my slice of Pi - the Raspberry Pi, from RS - today 
12th October 2012.

 I had to re-order, earlier in the Year, when my email address used 
was no longer working

 I also ordered a Type B Case, in white, and a 4GB SD Card with OS 
installed. Which all fits together by simple clip fittings on the 
injection moulding.

 Although, RS are posting the Pi PCB with a plastic protective casing, 
albeit in a translucent shade of raspberry pink!

 Umm ... like the early days of 'home computing', you have to put 
something else with it. I don't have an HDMI display, yet may be able 
use a DVI on my old TV. Then there is the need for a USB keyboard and 
mouse.

My Pi is due soon; I've a USB keyboard, USB hub and card reader, and
PSU.  The missing bit is a monitor.  I use a mono Philips on the QL,
video input and have another later style Philips as spare.  Will the Pi
work through the video input? Otherwise I have got video i/p on the TV.
By then I hope to be able to get an SD card with a QL emulation; is
anyone going to market one, please?

Bryan H
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Re: [Ql-Users] My slice of Pi

[John Alexander]

Yes it has a composite output as well

--- On Fri, 12/10/12, Bryan Horstmann b...@newlan.org wrote:

From: Bryan Horstmann b...@newlan.org
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] My slice of Pi
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Friday, 12 October, 2012, 15:09

On 12/10/2012 02:38, q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote:
 Hi,

 Finally received my slice of Pi - the Raspberry Pi, from RS - today 12th 
 October 2012.

 I had to re-order, earlier in the Year, when my email address used was no 
 longer working

 I also ordered a Type B Case, in white, and a 4GB SD Card with OS installed. 
 Which all fits together by simple clip fittings on the injection moulding.

 Although, RS are posting the Pi PCB with a plastic protective casing, albeit 
 in a translucent shade of raspberry pink!

 Umm ... like the early days of 'home computing', you have to put something 
 else with it. I don't have an HDMI display, yet may be able to use a DVI on 
 my old TV. Then there is the need for a USB keyboard and mouse.

My Pi is due soon; I've a USB keyboard, USB hub and card reader, and 
PSU.  The missing bit is a monitor.  I use a mono Philips on the QL, 
video input and have another later style Philips as spare.  Will the Pi 
work through the video input? Otherwise I have got video i/p on the TV. 
By then I hope to be able to get an SD card with a QL emulation; is 
anyone going to market one, please?

Bryan H
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[Ql-Users] Fw: [Shropshire] Raspberry Pi hacking at Oxford Instruments

[John Alexander]

Just in case any of you guys may be interested!

Any one who may what to learn or have a blast at actually doing some projects 
on the Raspberry Pi may well be interested in the Hacking session run at Oxford 
Instruments in Abingdon.

http://www.oxford-instruments.com/events/2012/october/a-piece-of-raspberry-pi


Location

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=ox13+5qxhl=ensll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=57.815136,114.169922t=hhnear=OX13+5QX,+United+Kingdomz=15



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Re: [Ql-Users] in a PiQL so to speak (pun intended)

[John Alexander]

How much of it now works David?
Do you get a certain amount of the emulator working or does it merely compile 
and not really effectively work

Ta for the beer BTW!

John A



On 11 Jul 2012, at 17:57, Lee Privett lee.priv...@gmail.com wrote:

 Has anyone been able to compile uQLx in Linux either the raspberry Pi or any 
 other ARM based processor, following through the reported errors and the 
 included documentation leads me to believe this is where the sticking point 
 is.
 
 I have tried alternatively to get WINE running on the Pi also, to see if that 
 would be another possible route, also without success. I am a very green 
 newbie to Linux so any suggestions would be appreciated.
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I have obtained the source, but when I try to compile it I am getting 
errors.   I really need to find the time to sort out why!  

Dave Walker

Home:  01707 652791
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Re: [Ql-Users] in a PiQL so to speak (pun intended)

[John Alexander]

Got rid of most of the errors still got these:
iexl_general.c:77:12: error: static declaration of ‘GetFromEA_b_m3’ follows 
non-static declaration
iexl_general.c:78:12: error: static declaration of ‘GetFromEA_b_m4’ follows 
non-static declaration
iexl_general.c:91:20: error: static declaration of ‘GetFromEA_w_m3’ follows 
non-static declaration
iexl_general.c:92:20: error: static declaration of ‘GetFromEA_w_m4’ follows 
non-static declaration
iexl_general.c:104:20: error: static declaration of ‘GetFromEA_l_m3’ follows 
non-static declaration
iexl_general.c:105:20: error: static declaration of ‘GetFromEA_l_m4’ follows 
non-static declaration
iexl_general.c:914:19: error: static declaration of ‘GetFromEA_rb_m3’ follows 
non-static declaration
iexl_general.c:925:20: error: static declaration of ‘GetFromEA_rw_m3’ follows 
non-static declaration
iexl_general.c:934:20: error: static declaration of ‘GetFromEA_rl_m3’ follows 
non-static declaration

My C aint the greatest but I'm sure it's because of the definitions in QL68000

--- On Wed, 11/7/12, John Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

From: John Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] in a PiQL so to speak (pun intended)
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Wednesday, 11 July, 2012, 22:00


Ages since I had a go .. They all seem to relate to the fact that version 4.x 
compiler is a lot more strict than the old one ..

Didnt look much further at the time David!!
-

John A
-- On Wed, 11/7/12, Dave Walker iti...@ntlworld.com wrote:

From: Dave Walker iti...@ntlworld.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] in a PiQL so to speak (pun intended)
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Wednesday, 11 July, 2012, 19:13



On 11 Jul 2012, at 17:57, Lee Privett lee.priv...@gmail.com wrote:

 Has anyone been able to compile uQLx in Linux either the raspberry Pi or any 
 other ARM based processor, following through the reported errors and the 
 included documentation leads me to believe this is where the sticking point 
 is.
 
 I have tried alternatively to get WINE running on the Pi also, to see if that 
 would be another possible route, also without success. I am a very green 
 newbie to Linux so any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Re: [Ql-Users] in a PiQL so to speak (pun intended)

[John Alexander]

you are correct about wine it's an API not an Emulator its only sensible to do 
that on the x86


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Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] in a PiQL so to speak (pun intended)
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Wednesday, 11 July, 2012, 18:10

Lee, 

Uqlx - not yet. I'm away with work and my Pi has been delivered. Home next week.

Wine - isn't an emulator, so compiling on ARM won't make it work. (I don't 
think.)

Cheers,
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Re: [Ql-Users] in a PiQL so to speak (pun intended)

[John Alexander]

Ages since I had a go .. They all seem to relate to the fact that version 4.x 
compiler is a lot more strict than the old one ..

Didnt look much further at the time David!!
-

John A
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Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] in a PiQL so to speak (pun intended)
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Date: Wednesday, 11 July, 2012, 19:13



On 11 Jul 2012, at 17:57, Lee Privett lee.priv...@gmail.com wrote:

 Has anyone been able to compile uQLx in Linux either the raspberry Pi or any 
 other ARM based processor, following through the reported errors and the 
 included documentation leads me to believe this is where the sticking point 
 is.
 
 I have tried alternatively to get WINE running on the Pi also, to see if that 
 would be another possible route, also without success. I am a very green 
 newbie to Linux so any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Re: [Ql-Users] Rasberry Pi arrived

[John Alexander]

The Debian has it in and I'm fairly certain I didn't switch it on myself.
However none of the networking stuff fires up if you don't have a network lead 
connected
as you boot up because I assume DHCP hasn't been able to configure the interface

John

What distribution are you running - ssh is not enabled by defau7lt on all of
them even though the software is installed in the image!

The recommended distribution is Debian.   If it is the Debian 'squeeze'
release then there is a file in the FAT32 partition that needs renaming to
get ssh enabled on boot.   If it is the Debian 'wheezy' release
(http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=50t=8071) which is far
better than the 'squeeze' one despite it being labelled beta then ssh should
be enabled by default.

So far I ahve found the new 'puppy' linux to be the most responsive.   That
is however labelled as a 'alpha' release although it does look feature
complete.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Rasberry Pi arrived

[John Alexander]

we are doing a case variant which comes with a 15cm ribbon cable and connector 
everything you need for HW hacking ;)
Should be on EBAY soon but if you are interested shout me directly

john Alexander

--- On Tue, 3/7/12, Dave Park plasticu...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Dave Park plasticu...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Rasberry Pi arrived
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Tuesday, 3 July, 2012, 21:52

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk wrote:

 Yes in theory at 700ma plus usb devices, but
 http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63t=6050 finds 210ma max.

 The GPIO header looks great.  Other that power and ground it looks
 user-definable.  I must see if I can get the QL I2C devices working.  I
 presume drivers do not yet exist.

Someone should do a GPIO-USB cable. That way, the Pi could gets its
power from its own GPIO port :o)

Dave
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Re: [Ql-Users] Rasberry Pi arrived

[John Alexander]

I was running a RPi,HUB,Keyboard,mouse and Arduino on a 700ma Nokia PSU!

Plenty of head room I think .well ish!

John A


--- On Tue, 3/7/12, Stephen Usher st...@lingula.org.uk wrote:

From: Stephen Usher st...@lingula.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Rasberry Pi arrived
To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com
Date: Tuesday, 3 July, 2012, 12:48

On 24/06/2012 16:17, Tony Firshman wrote:
 The Pi powers off a USB socket and outputs video via an HDMI socket.
 Both these should be on modern LCD TVs.
 That is why they did it this way I am sure.

Tony, actually, the power supply port was designed for Nokia chargers and 
requires a great deal more power than USB's standard 500mA allows, so you can't 
power it directly from a normal USB port.

Steve
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Re: [Ql-Users] Rasberry Pi arrived

[John Alexander]

According to Eben the Nokia N900 display should work but I don't think there's 
any drivers as of yet.

John A

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From: Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Rasberry Pi arrived
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Tuesday, 3 July, 2012, 14:15

Stephen Usher wrote, on 3/Jul/12 12:48 | Jul3:
 On 24/06/2012 16:17, Tony Firshman wrote:
 The Pi powers off a USB socket and outputs video via an HDMI socket.
 Both these should be on modern LCD TVs.
 That is why they did it this way I am sure.
 
 Tony, actually, the power supply port was designed for Nokia chargers
 and requires a great deal more power than USB's standard 500mA allows,
 so you can't power it directly from a normal USB port.
 
Yes in theory at 700ma plus usb devices, but 
http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63t=6050 finds 210ma max.

It works fine on all USB sockets I have used.  I suspect though that  my 
monitor allows more than 500ma. I wonder whether it has the 'intelligence' to 
complain (8-)#

My M/C helmet, BT keyboard charger and Apple chargers will also do.

The GPIO header looks great.  Other that power and ground it looks 
user-definable.  I must see if I can get the QL I2C devices working.  I presume 
drivers do not yet exist.

Also an LCD monitor (via ribbon to the motherboard) would open the way for long 
lasting battery powered units.

At present it is not possible to ssh in - 'connection refused' - and sshd is 
running.  Where do I investigate I wonder?

Tony


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Re: [Ql-Users] Rasberry Pi arrived

[John Alexander]

Login as raspberry user I think root is disabled.
Also load the latest Image then do an apt-get update  on it as it cleans up a 
load of stuff.

John Alexander
--- On Tue, 3/7/12, Stephen Usher st...@lingula.org.uk wrote:

From: Stephen Usher st...@lingula.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Rasberry Pi arrived
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Tuesday, 3 July, 2012, 15:00

On 03/07/2012 14:15, Tony Firshman wrote:
 Stephen Usher wrote, on 3/Jul/12 12:48 | Jul3:
 On 24/06/2012 16:17, Tony Firshman wrote:
 The Pi powers off a USB socket and outputs video via an HDMI socket.
 Both these should be on modern LCD TVs.
 That is why they did it this way I am sure.

 Tony, actually, the power supply port was designed for Nokia chargers
 and requires a great deal more power than USB's standard 500mA allows,
 so you can't power it directly from a normal USB port.

 Yes in theory at 700ma plus usb devices, but
 http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63t=6050 finds 210ma
 max.

 It works fine on all USB sockets I have used. I suspect though that my
 monitor allows more than 500ma. I wonder whether it has the
 'intelligence' to complain (8-)#

 My M/C helmet, BT keyboard charger and Apple chargers will also do.

Hoopy!

 The GPIO header looks great. Other that power and ground it looks
 user-definable. I must see if I can get the QL I2C devices working. I
 presume drivers do not yet exist.

I'm sure I saw a project (posted via Raspberry Pi twitter feed) of an 
I2C project.

 Also an LCD monitor (via ribbon to the motherboard) would open the way
 for long lasting battery powered units.

 At present it is not possible to ssh in - 'connection refused' - and
 sshd is running. Where do I investigate I wonder?

Look in /etc/ssh/sshd_config

You may have to create a new user account or allow root logins as well.

Steve
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Alternative

[John Alexander]

I have heard the opposite from other sources, but I think that any company who 
has so many distributors who also call them selves Olimexsomething or other 
will attract the stench of any bad distributors.

For me it's nice to see so many embedded linux boards coming through at 
reasonable price but in practice the 64 MB of RAM and a few other things will 
make this an evolutionary backwater with the RPi finally coming through(slowly) 
. If you are in the business of getting an emulator working then get it working 
on one platform then move on from there not flutter about and get nothing 
working entirely satisfactory.

The Olimex could be useful for some embedded apps though!

John

--- On Fri, 29/6/12, Dave Park plasticu...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Dave Park plasticu...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Alternative
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Friday, 29 June, 2012, 16:45

This is a Bulgarian company that has, shall we say, very poor customer
relations?

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 7:54 AM, SIMON BALDERSON
s.balder...@btinternet.com wrote:





 Just seen this in Everyday Practical Electronics July issue.  It's an 
 ARM-based product that's fully open source and runs Linux.  Would a QL 
 emulator work on this?

 http://www.olimex.com/dev/
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Re: [Ql-Users] Rasberry Pi arrived

[John Alexander]

I think I count as a former QL trader, Well former, like when the dinosaurs 
ruled the earth or at least Alan Sugar :-P 
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From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Rasberry Pi arrived
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Monday, 25 June, 2012, 16:22

John Alexander wrote:
You can drive a composite display  from the Raspberry Pi so any old TV
 should do not just the fancy HDMI. Support your QL(OK sort of formally
 QL) trader and get one of my cases. Then your capacitor wont fall off ! ;)
Umm, which QL trader would that be?

Dilwyn 

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Re: [Ql-Users] Rasberry Pi arrived

[John Alexander]

You can drive a composite display  from the Raspberry Pi so any old TV should 
do not just the fancy HDMI.
Support your QL(OK sort of formally QL) trader and get one of my cases. Then 
your capacitor wont fall off ! ;)

Asda/Tescos/etc etc do  4GB cards pritty cheap. I've got some 4GB ones with a 
bootable image on already for £7 if thats useful?

John A


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From: Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk
Subject: [Ql-Users] Rasberry Pi arrived
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Saturday, 23 June, 2012, 10:43

 and mine has arrived.

Two problems - no spare SD card and no suitable monitor (8-)#

I am told capacitor C6 (by the power socket) can break off - I will secure mine 
with carpenter's hot glue.

The best working solution is a monitor with USB and HDMI sockets.

I wonder if UQLX is going to work..

Tony

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Re: [Ql-Users] Rasberry Pi arrived

[John Alexander]

Use a Phono to SCART lead since SCART has RGB/Composite etc etc etc.
You could use certain QL monitors even ;)

If you have a Wii in the house I think the Scart adaptor will work.


John 

--- On Mon, 25/6/12, Tony firshman t...@firshman.co.uk wrote:

From: Tony firshman t...@firshman.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Rasberry Pi arrived
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Monday, 25 June, 2012, 15:08



On 25 Jun 2012, at 11:00, John Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 You can drive a composite display  from the Raspberry Pi so any old TV should 
 do not just the fancy HDMI.
 Support your QL(OK sort of formally QL) trader and get one of my cases. 
 Then your capacitor wont fall off ! ;)
 
 Asda/Tescos/etc etc do  4GB cards pritty cheap. I've got some 4GB ones with a 
 bootable image on already for £7 if thats useful?
 
Yes indeed, as long as it has composite video input. I must say I have never 
owned an old TV with such a socket (normally phono).  The point I was making 
was that most modern LCD TVs have both hdmi (and composite video) and USB 
sockets, so only a mouse and keyboard are then needed (powered off the TV via 
the Pi).  Note the USB socket is a mini one - smaller than the connector on 
cameras and the like.  Like firewire, there are a plethora of connectors.

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Re: [Ql-Users] The *ins...

[John Alexander]

Indeed 1337ification is normally not considered secure.



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From: Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] The *ins...
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Monday, 25 June, 2012, 15:20

George Gwilt wrote, on 25/Jun/12 14:59 | Jun25:

 On 25 Jun 2012, at 14:54, Tony Firshman wrote:


 The moral here is secure passwords, and change regularly.
 Secure ones are like Ge4?pP9a  .

 Hmm! Looks a bit like my grandfather's name.

(8-)#

Mine was F0r5hm8n .

... and that is a common method of disguising words, which I am *sure* 
hackers are on to.

The hacked AOL account was probably due to a dictionary word password 
with '16' appended.


Tony


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[Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Cases

[John Alexander]

OK guys I see that a few of you have the Raspberry Pi. You may be interested in
giving it some new clothes!!

I have a rather nice Acrylic case on sale now on Ebay here:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Laser-Cut-Acrylic-case-Raspberry-Pi-/251078653815?pt=UK_Computing_Case_Accessories_Tool_Kitshash=item3a75743777

Hope that's of interest to some people.. Also how's the QL emulator getting on ?


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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)

[John Alexander]

Depends on your contract but generally yes.

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From: Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Friday, 1 June, 2012, 14:37

John Alexander wrote, on 1/Jun/12 11:42 | Jun1:
 
 The problem with just the Domain name thing is that you then need to support 
 the server
 so :
 
 a) you need a server
 b) need to power maintain and maintain security  on etc etc
 c) need to host it if that's what you are doing
 d or home host  which is strictly speaking against your service agreement
What is 'home host'?
Are you saying that hosting a website at home is against your ISP broadband 
contract?


Tony



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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)

[John Alexander]

The problem with just the Domain name thing is that you then need to support 
the server
so :

a) you need a server 
b) need to power maintain and maintain security  on etc etc
c) need to host it if that's what you are doing
d or home host  which is strictly speaking against your service agreement


Obviously how much of the Alphabet you use depends on your selections, still a 
PITA though.

John
--- On Wed, 30/5/12, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Wednesday, 30 May, 2012, 15:06

 That's what I do. When I give a company an email, I give
 company.n...@mydomain.com- it's very quick and easy to work out who is
 selling email addresses. All mail to *@mydomain.com lands in a single
 box ;)
 
 Dave
Back in the days of snail-mail, it was fairly easy to trace who put me on which 
mailing lists because I have a Welsh name and (then) an even more Welsh 
address. Companies used to mis-spell the name or address in every way 
imaginable (plus a few more besides) and those same mistakes would turn up in 
junk mailings, revealing (often surprisingly) which of many everyday businesses 
used to do this.

I suppose this is same principle - putting variations in the email addresses 
you use to back-trace where it got onto mailing lists in the first place.

Dilwyn Jones 
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)

[John Alexander]

I was going to put mine down then it asked for a confirmation email...Nice try 
i wonder what they send you after you have clicked 


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From: Neil Riley neil.ri...@boxclever.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Monday, 28 May, 2012, 16:18

Oops! Here's the link  

rastrack.ryanteck.org.uk/index.php

-Original Message-
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[mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of Neil Riley
Sent: 28 May 2012 16:13
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)

Just a bit of fun, 

Zoom in and see where others have logged their Raspberry Pi's, add your own. It 
only takes a minute.

Neil


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Re: [Ql-Users] Debugging nightmare

[John Alexander]

Ian, I'm sure it's been doing this for the last 34 years or so ;)

Encouraged me to rough up a 68K controller for old school kicks though ..Cheers


John A

--- On Wed, 23/5/12, Ian Pine ilp...@tesco.net wrote:

From: Ian Pine ilp...@tesco.net
Subject: [Ql-Users] Debugging nightmare
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Wednesday, 23 May, 2012, 12:52

Damn damn damn ...

I've just spent nearly a day and a half trying to debug a simple bit of 
assembler code because I forgot that on m68k CPUs the MOVE instructions alter 
the flags and I was convinced all sorts of other problems might've been the 
cause, but in the end all I had to do was swap two instructions:

     move.l  d5,d0
     and.l   d6,d0    -
     moveq   #'0',d1  -
     beq.s   sk1
     moveq   #'1',d1
sk1  ...

should've been:

     move.l  d5,d0
     moveq   #'0',d1  -
     and.l   d6,d0    -
     beq.s   sk1
     moveq   #'1',d1
sk1  ...

That'll teach me not to try to develop the same program on two different 
platforms at the same time!

Damn damn fume blast ...

Never mind though, might be a little something for QL Today when I've tidied it 
all up.

Ian.
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Re: [Ql-Users] Blowtorches

[John Alexander]

I had hundreds of memory boards from some mainframe  and stripped off kilos of 
chips.

Back in the day of 41256 RAM chips almost every one had a set of pulls from 
myself.

Kept me in University ...Cheers guys   John A


--- On Wed, 9/5/12, Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk wrote:

From: Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk
Subject: [Ql-Users] Blowtorches
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Wednesday, 9 May, 2012, 14:09

I see from the current issue of Quanta that a joky quote of the show 
referring to Lee's removal of components from pcbs using a blow torch.

This is not a joke.  I too used a purpose built 2kw hot air gun to selectively 
remove components from QL pcbs.  This I suspect is similar to the 'blow torch' 
Lee used - nothing like the gas powered paint strippers one no doubt imagines.

After much practise I managed to remove a whole dodgy std 68008 socket on its 
own.  A quick re-blast on the pads and the new turned pin socket popped in 
without soldering.  It was not possible to detect that it was not the original 
soldering.

I must have removed thousands of components in this way, including the uhf 
modulator.


Tony


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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

[John Alexander]

Star here 

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

[John Alexander]

Have a look down there for all the Raspberry Pi vids, 3 at the moment.

John A


http://shropshirelug.wordpress.com/

--- On Thu, 26/4/12, Martin Wheatley martinwheat...@sky.com wrote:

From: Martin Wheatley martinwheat...@sky.com
Subject: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Thursday, 26 April, 2012, 3:23

Here is a review of Raspberry Pi

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/desktops/374290/raspberry-pi-model-b
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

[John Alexander]

I think you'll find that I'm the Ql'er with one ;) and have been for nearly 2 
weeks !!

Ner ner  Video links coming up guys!


John Alexander


--- On Mon, 16/4/12, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote:

From: Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk
Subject: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Monday, 16 April, 2012, 22:19

Hi,

Reading the Raspberry Pi web site - with some interesting videos - the first 
production Pi's have been delivered to a School in Leeds, UK. On Monday 16th 
April 2012.

Delivery of early orders is now expected from Friday 20th April 2012.

I wonder who will be the 'ql-er' to receive one ... :-)

-- Malcolm Cadman
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

[John Alexander]

My RPi arrived yesterday ;)

http://youtu.be/6X2P7sVL-wU

--- On Tue, 17/4/12, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 18:33

Lee Privett wrote:

 Someone already has atleast one emulator running on the Pi
 
 http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/simcoupe.jpg
Looks good, but a QL emulator would be even better!

Dilwyn
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

[John Alexander]

They appear to have passed now Malcolm! 


http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/996

http://www.raspberrypi.org/
--- On Wed, 4/4/12, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote:

From: Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Wednesday, 4 April, 2012, 21:33

In message 104872.7582.yahoomailclas...@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com, John 
Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk writes

Excuse the 'top posting' ... to make sense of the discussion.

Yes, the long wait for the 'production' models seems to be close to an end for 
the RPi.

Farnell and RS are collaborating to move the CE compliance requirement forward.


 Yep , they have photos of them been in the UK warehouse which is great leap 
 forward.
 I don't know how much more if any of the EMC testing they need to complete.
 Any way it sort of gives me my unit in maybe  2 weeks ish 
 
 Re casing, I don't see a standard plastic case doing much with regards to EMC.
 Obviously with the conductive paint sprayed on the inside this is a different 
 question.
 
 My Panda board got it's FCC badge so I don't see the lack of case to be a 
 fundamental
 problem. Also sub assemblies get sold like this all the time, lets see!!!
 
 John A
 
 --- On Sat, 31/3/12, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote:
 
 From: Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk
 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi
 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
 Date: Saturday, 31 March, 2012, 22:06
 
 In message 4f76cc35.7040...@firshman.co.uk, Tony Firshman 
 t...@firshman.co.uk writes
 
 The first 10,000 have arrived in the UK but are now being held up as RS and 
 Farnell are demanding a formal CE test, rather than the usual self 
 certification.
 
 This might be a problem, as they are uncased and are bound to produce EMI.
 In the USA the FCC allow manufacturers to bypass this by labelling: This 
 product may cause interference.
 
 I wonder how mobile phones get around this - we have all heard the 
 interference they cause!
 
 The QL black box was absolutely awful, both for interference, and also 
 susceptibility to interference.  That directly spawned my Computer Cleaner.
 
 Tony
 
 According to the RS web site, the requirement for a CE is owing to the board 
 not now being classified as a 'prototype'. Owing to the large number in 
 production.
 
 -- Malcolm Cadman

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Re: [Ql-Users] Composite video device

[John Alexander]

Dilwyn , looks like there are quite a few of those Drum Samplers so knowing 
which one would be nice. How ever as you said the composite output is best just 
connected to the Scart input of the given TV!

John Alexander


--- On Fri, 6/4/12, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk
Subject: [Ql-Users] Composite video device
To: QL Users List ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Friday, 6 April, 2012, 21:52

I received the following request for information – does anyone have suggestions?

I’ve suggested connecting its composite video to pins 20 and 17 of a SCART 
connector to a TV set, and suggested he looks into whether JS Technologies (who 
make the Simple Video Scalar for older computers like QL) have any suitable 
adaptors for Composite video, although I don’t know if that works only by RGB.

Dilwyn Jones


 I have a Simmons SDX drum sampler. It outputs composite video at a resolution 
 of 512x256. This won't display 
 properly on a modern screen.Do you know of any way I can get it to display 
 properly. I don't have RGB signals 
 like the QL. I am interested in the possibility that I may be able to use 
 some of the QL techniques as (correct me
 if I'm wrong) the QL also outputs 512x256 video. 
 Thanks
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

[John Alexander]

Although I'd argue the QL was more complicated than the PI in terms of the work 
required to get it working and I'm sure (OK not that sure cos it felt like 
years!) that we didn't wait 9 months for it... Lets see how this all pans out!

John A


--- On Mon, 2/4/12, Neil Riley neil.ri...@boxclever.co.uk wrote:

From: Neil Riley neil.ri...@boxclever.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Monday, 2 April, 2012, 15:16


Still, this is so reminiscant of the old Delivered within 28 days
promise I fondly remember waiting months for my QL

Cheers,
Ade.

Except this machine actually exists, and is 99.99% ready whereas the QL was a 
pile of components, wire, small motors, some VHS tape and scissors, some blank 
A3 pieces of paper, some very sharp pencils (new and unused) and a ruler. 

Just saying, that's all !

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

[John Alexander]

Yep , they have photos of them been in the UK warehouse which is great leap 
forward.
I don't know how much more if any of the EMC testing they need to complete.
Any way it sort of gives me my unit in maybe  2 weeks ish 

Re casing, I don't see a standard plastic case doing much with regards to EMC.
Obviously with the conductive paint sprayed on the inside this is a different 
question.

My Panda board got it's FCC badge so I don't see the lack of case to be a 
fundamental
problem. Also sub assemblies get sold like this all the time, lets see!!!

John A

--- On Sat, 31/3/12, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote:

From: Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Saturday, 31 March, 2012, 22:06

In message 4f76cc35.7040...@firshman.co.uk, Tony Firshman 
t...@firshman.co.uk writes

 The first 10,000 have arrived in the UK but are now being held up as RS and 
 Farnell are demanding a formal CE test, rather than the usual self 
 certification.
 
 This might be a problem, as they are uncased and are bound to produce EMI.
 In the USA the FCC allow manufacturers to bypass this by labelling: This 
 product may cause interference.
 
 I wonder how mobile phones get around this - we have all heard the 
 interference they cause!
 
 The QL black box was absolutely awful, both for interference, and also 
 susceptibility to interference.  That directly spawned my Computer Cleaner.
 
 Tony

According to the RS web site, the requirement for a CE is owing to the board 
not now being classified as a 'prototype'. Owing to the large number in 
production.

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Re: [Ql-Users] A question about the MGx ROMs

[John Alexander]

I simply can't remember... I know it was something sensible but can't remember 
what.

I found the Microdrive and floppy with the source on it a few weeks ago, I'll 
take a look at it now I've been reminded. I've been looking for my printouts of 
the code for ages so maybe this is the time to hack some old 68K code !

Hopefully my QL's will now still boot.

Worryingly the code I did is now older than many of the folk going to the 
Edinburgh hackerspace I've been visiting whilst working here.

John A


--- On Tue, 17/1/12, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] A question about the MGx ROMs
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Tuesday, 17 January, 2012, 19:18

 But while we're on the subject of MG ROMs (MGUK, in fact) does anyone know
 what the single line black window that appears in the top half of S*BASIC
 window #1 after booting is all about?  I know MGUK is not an official ROM (I
 believe it was hacked from the Greek MG ROM) and  I'm sure I looked into
 this before, many years ago, but can't remember the outcome.

The MGUK was a privately produced QL ROM produced by John Alexander. I remember 
being told about it by David Batty (Sector Software) and Dennis Briggs (Adman 
Services) around the time it became available. The ROM is now available to 
download from my site, and I think John Alexander was on this list last year, 
don't know if still a subscriber.

Dilwyn Jones 
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Re: [Ql-Users] A question about the MGx ROMs

[John Alexander]

That sounds very likely thinking about it, it also had a trace feature so you 
could see what line SuperBasic was executing. Switch that on and see what pops 
up ;)

I spent many many hours with a disassembler digging all the functionality out 
of the core ROM, may be fun to do some more!

John A


--- On Thu, 19/1/12, Adrian Ives adrian.i...@memorylanecomputing.com wrote:

From: Adrian Ives adrian.i...@memorylanecomputing.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] A question about the MGx ROMs
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Thursday, 19 January, 2012, 22:37

John,

Thanks for taking the time to look. I seem to remember that it was
something to do with an on-screen clock, but I might be thinking of
something else.

On 19/01/2012 22:25, John Alexander wrote:
 I simply can't remember... I know it was something sensible but can't 
 remember what.

 I found the Microdrive and floppy with the source on it a few weeks ago, I'll 
 take a look at it now I've been reminded. I've been looking for my printouts 
 of the code for ages so maybe this is the time to hack some old 68K code !

 Hopefully my QL's will now still boot.

 Worryingly the code I did is now older than many of the folk going to the 
 Edinburgh hackerspace I've been visiting whilst working here.

 John A


 --- On Tue, 17/1/12, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

 From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk
 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] A question about the MGx ROMs
 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
 Date: Tuesday, 17 January, 2012, 19:18

 But while we're on the subject of MG ROMs (MGUK, in fact) does anyone know
 what the single line black window that appears in the top half of S*BASIC
 window #1 after booting is all about?  I know MGUK is not an official ROM (I
 believe it was hacked from the Greek MG ROM) and  I'm sure I looked into
 this before, many years ago, but can't remember the outcome.
 The MGUK was a privately produced QL ROM produced by John Alexander. I 
 remember being told about it by David Batty (Sector Software) and Dennis 
 Briggs (Adman Services) around the time it became available. The ROM is now 
 available to download from my site, and I think John Alexander was on this 
 list last year, don't know if still a subscriber.

 Dilwyn Jones 


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[Ql-Users] Knuth is my Home Boy

[John Alexander]

Apparently Donald Knuth of Art of Computer Programming” is 74 and 
pontificating away on this site.


http://www.webofstories.com/play/17060

Found it via EET which has some nice bits in it!:
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-blogs/cole-bin/4234198/It-s-Donald-Knuth-s-74th-birthday-and-he-s-talking?cid=NL_EmbeddedEcosystem=embedded

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Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Update on my projects etc...

[John Alexander]

Um, I've only just joined after god knows away ... I assume you have some logs 
some where.. If he wants some help he can email ;)

John A


--- On Thu, 1/9/11, Lee Privett lee.priv...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Lee Privett lee.priv...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Update on my projects  etc...
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Thursday, 1 September, 2011, 15:00

John A, you would need to trwel back through the discussions around Feb
March of this year to find the answers to that without Dave going through it
all again :)

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:38 PM, John Alexander
acontractor...@yahoo.co.ukwrote:

 So what are you writing this Game in and what exactly are you having
 difficulty in processing within this 1 second. With out knowing this I
 think any advice would be
 opinion at best.

 John A


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Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Update on my projects etc...

[John Alexander]

Sounds quite doable even with the original QL.
Obviously the N-body problem requires the order of n^2 calculations per 
iteration so the doable bit depends highly on the size of (n). I would maybe 
recalculate the changes in Acceleration due to distant bodies less often as 
this would change less.
I did something similar in the '80's. To be honest the problem is not the CPU 
power but the fact that the game play can be a bit boring with real physics and 
distances for most people. I  remember that a game  millennium 2.2 on the Amiga 
had a nice compromise on reality/game play/resource management... Any one 
remember this game ??


some ideas:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeSpace_2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Trader




--- On Thu, 1/9/11, Dave Park plasticu...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Dave Park plasticu...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Update on my projects  etc...
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Thursday, 1 September, 2011, 20:35

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:38 PM, John Alexander
acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 So what are you writing this Game in and what exactly are you having 
 difficulty in processing within this 1 second. With out knowing this I 
 think any advice would be
 opinion at best.

The first program is a game, pure and simple. Based on the Lunar
Lander idea, you control a ship with limited fuel - you are presented
with a solar system of moving gravitational bodies, and you must fly
missions from body to body without running out of fuel. So, for
example, you might have to fly from a small world to a large one,
therefore need to save your fuel for the landing portion, whilst
avoiding two black holes and an asteroid belt, or you might have to
land on a comet, then change its orbit to collide with a moon, etc.
It's pretty, and requires some thought in play.

There is some thought of maybe adding an Elite-esque trading element
between worlds, to buy fuel...

The model is super-realistic - it allows for the n-body problem, has
variable thrust, and the ship accelerates more for a given thrust as
it gets lighter/burns fuel. There are some worlds were your ship is
simply too heavy with fuel tanks to take off.

The second program is an Air Traffic Control simulator.

Dave
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Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Update on my projects etc...

[John Alexander]

Ahhh the power of Google:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_2.2
even has a remake down load too!


--- On Thu, 1/9/11, John Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

From: John Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Update on my projects  etc...
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Thursday, 1 September, 2011, 23:30

Sounds quite doable even with the original QL.
Obviously the N-body problem requires the order of n^2 calculations per 
iteration so the doable bit depends highly on the size of (n). I would maybe 
recalculate the changes in Acceleration due to distant bodies less often as 
this would change less.
I did something similar in the '80's. To be honest the problem is not the CPU 
power but the fact that the game play can be a bit boring with real physics and 
distances for most people. I  remember that a game  millennium 2.2 on the Amiga 
had a nice compromise on reality/game play/resource management... Any one 
remember this game ??


some ideas:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeSpace_2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Trader




--- On Thu, 1/9/11, Dave Park plasticu...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Dave Park plasticu...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Update on my projects  etc...
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Thursday, 1 September, 2011, 20:35

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:38 PM, John Alexander
acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 So what are you writing this Game in and what exactly are you having 
 difficulty in processing within this 1 second. With out knowing this I 
 think any advice would be
 opinion at best.

The first program is a game, pure and simple. Based on the Lunar
Lander idea, you control a ship with limited fuel - you are presented
with a solar system of moving gravitational bodies, and you must fly
missions from body to body without running out of fuel. So, for
example, you might have to fly from a small world to a large one,
therefore need to save your fuel for the landing portion, whilst
avoiding two black holes and an asteroid belt, or you might have to
land on a comet, then change its orbit to collide with a moon, etc.
It's pretty, and requires some thought in play.

There is some thought of maybe adding an Elite-esque trading element
between worlds, to buy fuel...

The model is super-realistic - it allows for the n-body problem, has
variable thrust, and the ship accelerates more for a given thrust as
it gets lighter/burns fuel. There are some worlds were your ship is
simply too heavy with fuel tanks to take off.

The second program is an Air Traffic Control simulator.

Dave
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Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Update on my projects etc...

[John Alexander]

So what are you writing this Game in and what exactly are you having difficulty 
in processing within this 1 second. With out knowing this I think any advice 
would be 
opinion at best.

John A


--- On Wed, 31/8/11, Dave Park plasticu...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Dave Park plasticu...@gmail.com
Subject: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Update on my projects  etc...
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Wednesday, 31 August, 2011, 20:11

The ATC game: I got bogged down on two aspects - one a programming
issue I have resolved now. The other is a speed issue - I can't do all
the calculations within a 1 second tick on a native speed QL -
anything GC+ it can work well. I investigated compilers to try and get
a speed boost but my mind wasn't ready to absorb that yet, so I
shelved it until my mind is.

The Gravity game: I am having fun with this and you may see a
beta/demo in the coming months - the game-play is actually quite
catchy! Again, needs a GC or faster QL or simulator...

Gold Card batteries: I ran out of money after ordering the PCBs and
being delivered the wrong battery holders. This is on hold until
later.

Backplanes: All partially assembled, awaiting a couple of components...

I have also gone through and tried a lot of hardware combinations...

I have the following which work:

US QL with JSU ROMs (Wish I had plain JS ROMs), Gold Card, Sandy
SuperQBoard mk 2 w/ mouse port, a Trump Card (896K)

I have the following untested (due to lack of documentation/other
needs) Aurora, QubIDE.

I am working on the following: a US-suitable dual floppy drive. I have
a suitable PSU and mechanisms, but no suitable cable or case as yet. I
may buy an aluminum case at Fry's and do some metalwork. Also, a
better display method...

With a backplane/case/PSU, will a Gold Card, Aurora and QubIDE play nice?

Dave
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Re: [Ql-Users] Fwd: [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and running content

[John Alexander]

Looks like code mod time fortunately it's only in a couple of places despite 
the number of repeats:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3148244/static-declaration-follows-non-static-declaration

Essentially the older GCC compilers were more forgiving and now it isn't !!! 
;)
The new task master is punitive of our sloppiness.

Best of luck with the mod.



--- On Sun, 28/8/11, Jiri Dolezal computer.resea...@centrum.cz wrote:

From: Jiri Dolezal computer.resea...@centrum.cz
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Fwd: [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and 
running content
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Sunday, 28 August, 2011, 9:01

 We've had a busy month! We received our alpha boards two weeks ago, and 
 already have a desktop environment and hardware-accelerated 3d and video up 
 and running. Work on the final board design is proceeding well. For more 
 details, check out our website at: http://www.raspberrypi.org

Yes, for a QL emulator...
I already have Genesi Efika Smartbook MX (ARM notebook) with Ubuntu 10.10.
I tried to compile two Linux emulators.
Without succes. Maybe someone more experienced in Linux and C will know, what 
to do.

Qlay just reports Nothing to be done for ./makegile.cyg.

More interesting is, what uQLx reports:

:~/download/uqlx-17.02.02-21.28$ ls
bench1          insnx.c.old        QL_driver.c    README       x.c
bench2          insnx.h            QL_files.c     romdir       xcodes.c
boot.h          insnx2.c           QLfiles.h      rompatch.c   xcodes.h
BOOT.test       instructions_ao.c  QL.h           script.c     xc68.c
browse_manual   instructions_pz.c  QL_hardware.c  script.h     xc68.h
cond.h          iptraps.h          QLip.c         trace.c      Xgui.c
config          Makefile           QLip.h         trace.h      xipc.c
COPYRIGHT       memaccess.h        QL_poll.c      unix.h       xipc.h
docs            misdefs.h          QL_screen.c    unixstuff.c  xlmain.c
do_install      MK.all             QL_screen.h    uqlx_cfg.c   Xql
driver.h        pty.c              QL_serial.c    uqlx_cfg.h   Xqlaw
dummies.c       QDisk.c            QLserio.c      util.c       xql.c
emudisk.h       QDisk.h            QLtraps.c      util.h       xqlkey.c
general.c       QDOS.h             QLtypes.h      utils        xqlmouse.c
guesscpu_linux  QFilesPriv.h       QL68000.h      uxfile.c     Xscreen.c
iexl_general.c  QInstAddr.h        qmtrap.c       version.c    xtmain.c
iexl_general.h  QL_basext.c        QSerial.h      vm.c         xx.c
iexl.h          QL_boot.c          QSound.h       vm.h         zmtest.c
iexl_ug.h       QL_cconv.c         QVFS.c         vm_linux.c
Init.c          QL_config.c        QVFS.h         vm_linux.h
insnx.c         QL_config.h        qx_proto.h     vmtest.c

~/download/uqlx-17.02.02-21.28$ cat README
** UQLX *


The real documentation  containing installation hints is now in
the 'docs' subdirectory. Yow will need gnu make, X and gcc to build
anything, make==gnu-make is assumed here.
Type
    'make docs'

to build the documentation in dvi,info and html format - depending
on whatever formatting software is installed locally.
Texi2html is highly recommended for the online docs, you may get it
from
http://www.mathematik.uni-kl.de/~obachman/Texi2html/

View the documentation either by
    'xdvi docs/uqlx'
or in (X)Emacs
    c-u c-h i  docs/uqlx.info
or the html docs
    $BROWSER docs/uqlx_toc.html'

If you do not have the necessary software to build the documentation files
or downloaded the package without documentation, the HTML version of the main
documentation can be found in the WWW at :
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bay/2602/uqlx_main.html

The file docs/ql.html contains a list of QL related internet starting points
plus some of my internet know-how.

Short instructions for building it:
on Linux:
    ./MK.all
    make install
else
    make config
    make
    make install

Get Jonathan Hudson's GUI from http://www.bigfoot.com/~jrhudson
if you like GUI's


COPYRIGHT
=
DISCLAIMER
==

- see file COPYRIGHT. If you didn't receive it, email either of

rdzid...@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
rdzid...@geocities.com
r...@linux-m68k.org

Don't use without reading and understandig it.

~/download/uqlx-17.02.02-21.28$ ./MK.all
-e
...there were some problems:

Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Ubuntu/Linaro 
4.4.4-14ubuntu5' --with-bugurl=file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.4/README.Bugs 
--enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,objc,obj-c++ --prefix=/usr 
--program-suffix=-4.4 --enable-shared --enable-multiarch 
--enable-linker-build-id --with-system-zlib --libexecdir=/usr/lib 
--without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix 
--with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.4 --libdir=/usr/lib --enable-nls 
--with-sysroot=/ --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-libstdcxx-debug --enable-objc-gc 
--disable-sjlj-exceptions --with-arch=armv7-a --with-float=softfp 
--with-fpu=vfpv3-d16 --with-mode=thumb 

Re: [Ql-Users] Fwd: [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and running content

[John Alexander]

I'm all for the S/W emulation of the QL (good luck to those working on the 
rehash BTW!)
but shouldn't we be helping to promote it as a RaspberryPI and what it means in 
terms of educating newcomers. I'm sure many of us cut our teeth on various 
Sinclair kit it would be nice to get newcomers to learn with equipment and 
ideas that are current. To that aim I've already put together 70 ish projects 
that could be done with the 'PI (or anything similar actually ;) !!).  I'd 
appreciate more ideas, all ideas opinions welcome.


John A

--- On Sun, 28/8/11, BryanHorstmann b...@newlan.org wrote:

From: BryanHorstmann b...@newlan.org
Subject: [Ql-Users] Fwd: [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and running 
content
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Sunday, 28 August, 2011, 8:28



---
Subject:     [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and running content

    
From:     Raspberry Pi i...@raspberrypi.org

    

We've had a busy month! We received our alpha boards two weeks ago, and already 
have a desktop environment and hardware-accelerated 3d and video up and 
running. Work on the final board design is proceeding well. For more details, 
check out our website at: http://www.raspberrypi.org
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[Ql-Users] RaspberryPI update

[John Alexander]

Device seems to be moving along nicely...Now plays QUAKE III

http://www.raspberrypi.org/?p=106
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7

[John Alexander]

Time for booting in to Linux an creating images from your floppies with DD or 
similar. If nothing else the media must be quite old and doing so should 
preserve them!

On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:00 BST Dilwyn Jones wrote:

 I have no floppy disc, so I've got no idea if a VM will allow me to access 
 the floppies or not.
 
 I've got a USB floppy as I have a lot of material on floppies and it is OK 
 on Vista and Ubuntu (under VMware).  But i'm told that W7 has no floppy 
 support.  Can anyone confirm this?
 
 Bryan H
Probably understandable - how many Windoze users (apart from QLers perhaps) 
would want to use floppies nowadays?

DD disk support vanished a while back on PCs - must get my USB FLP drive out 
to see if it works as a HD disk on Win7 or not.

If you look hard enough, you can get small (i.e. 1GB or so) pen drives for a 
pound or two now, not to mention SD cards etc so floppies probably really are 
redundant when you only occasionally want a removable portable medium. What do 
others on this list think?

Dilwyn Jones 


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Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7

[John Alexander]

What about running the emulator on say an Android or probably more easily a 
Linuxy linux phone like my N900 for instance ;)

John A


--- On Tue, 23/8/11, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Tuesday, 23 August, 2011, 21:08

Malcolm Cadman wrote:

 I see you are finally getting along with PC  Windows, and not breaking it 
 too much ... :-)
Sadly, this PC seems (so far) to be Dilwyn-proof :-(

 Windows 8, or whatever name it gets, is currently in development. So, maybe 
 that will sort out all your woes ... ?
Will probably be old hat by the time I get to use it ;-)

 It is looking like it will be based on the 'touch screen' gestures, that have 
 now become common with mobile phones, ipads, etc, so that there will a 
 synergy (well, in theory if M$ can ever achieve that).
 
 Either it goes this way as one OS, or a split may occur whereby the 'old tec' 
 of PC's will have a different OS or variant.
We'll see, in time. Development certainly seems focused on convergence of 
technologies. Whether the QL scene stays largely aloof and independent of these 
remains to be seen.

Would be nice to have a QL which can be used on a mobile in some way.

Dilwyn Jones 


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Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7

[John Alexander]

I'm sure you are right. I'd like to be certain of it but it's been 10 years or 
more since I played with the emulator or associated tools

I found a stash of my old QLs and a partial listing of the MGUK  code not too 
long back. 
BTW Sinclair Black shows the dust ;)

John A

--- On Tue, 23/8/11, Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk wrote:

From: Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL2K on Windows 7
To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com
Date: Tuesday, 23 August, 2011, 20:10

On 23/08/11 20:07, Norman Dunbar wrote:

 Linux cannot (yet) read a floppy image from a QL, but it is something I
 have to complete in due course. I hope.
Except, I think it can. CTOOLS or similar? I'm sure that can read a QL floppy 
image, mounted on a loopback, on Linux.

Cheers,
Norm.

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