Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-17 Thread - Aucun -
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:37:52 -, P Witte wrote To develop this idea a bit further: Keep the old directory structure, but use it in a different way. Instead of a combined pathame/filename, each record stores a filename of say max 20 or 22 char long, which may be seen by old programs that

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-17 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 17 Jan 2005 at 11:55, - Aucun - wrote: (...) Lotus Notes is not only an emailing system but rather a database system. I recently found out for a personal small development that the millions of records (not files, records) in the hundreds of databases online all over the world seem to

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-17 Thread Marcel Kilgus
- Aucun - wrote: While I write this, I suddenly realise that I could have done it from QPC+SMSQ/E+SBASIC since QPC has the same shell command (or open a Windows application from SBASIC), but then I should have bought about 150 QPCs for the ~150 users of this system in my company! We have

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-17 Thread - Aucun -
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:36:11 +0100, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote While I write this, I suddenly realise that I could have done it from QPC+SMSQ/E+SBASIC since QPC has the same shell command (or open a Windows application from SBASIC), but then I should have bought about 150 QPCs for the ~150

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-16 Thread P Witte
George writes: Caution! Caution! I was asked by someone to allow any file type to be set by GWASS (other than 255 which is special). This implies that someone somewhere is perhaps setting up file types of 3 to 254 in assembled programs. Suddenly using one of these for another purpose might

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-16 Thread P Witte
Isnt the thing to do here to emulate the Windoze solution? Ie, each directory entry has a short filename [SFN] wchich complies in every respect with the old directory specs. The LFN is stored within the directory file in specially marked records, or in a separate file. Eventually, the old system

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-14 Thread Joachim Van der Auwera
jms1 wrote: Surely the trick is to check whether the directory is type 5. If so treat it like a new directory and file naming. If not treat it like a type 255 directory. Careful with file types. Some have been used in the old days. I am sure we used file types for some grpahics files in The

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-14 Thread Jérôme Grimbert
Joachim Van der Auwera wrote: jms1 wrote: Surely the trick is to check whether the directory is type 5. If so treat it like a new directory and file naming. If not treat it like a type 255 directory. Careful with file types. Some have been used in the old days. I am sure we used file types for

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-14 Thread P Witte
Marcel Kilgus writes: Just an unrelated note to the DOS long-filename-hack: They had to do this because a single file name was limited to only 8 characters. We have 36 characters to work with, which is much less of a burden. So I don't see the need for something similar. But they had a

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-14 Thread Jérôme Grimbert
P Witte wrote: Marcel Kilgus writes: Just an unrelated note to the DOS long-filename-hack: They had to do this because a single file name was limited to only 8 characters. We have 36 characters to work with, which is much less of a burden. So I don't see the need for something similar. But they

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-14 Thread Geogwilt
In a message dated 14/01/05 08:34:59 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Careful with file types. Some have been used in the old days. I am sure we used file types for some grpahics files in The PAINTER. There were some other programs using file types as well. However, I think

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-13 Thread Geogwilt
In a message dated 12/01/05 06:08:07 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a question here. Currently, the way directories are handled is by making a directory a somewhat special file (file type -1, IIRC). Apart from that, though,a directory ia a simple file that can be

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-13 Thread Jérôme Grimbert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/01/05 06:08:07 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a question here. Currently, the way directories are handled is by making a directory a somewhat special file (file type -1, IIRC). Apart from that, though,a directory ia a simple

Re: Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-13 Thread dilwyn.jones
What I thought you were saying was a method by which you were integrating the win drive into a network with other computers, in terms of accessing the files. I am assuming that you are allowed to log in a portable PC with QPC2 installed onto a PC network where you work. -- Malcolm

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-13 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Jérôme Grimbert wrote: We have two kind of filesystem: the floppy and the harddisk. Maintaining floppy compatibility is essential. Floppies don't need such long paths anyway. If we could store the EXEC information on DOS format, things would be simple, and I would push for the DOS format,

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-13 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 13 Jan 2005 at 13:46, Jérôme Grimbert wrote: (...) BUT, the harddisk does not need to be exchanged with another system. Therefore, we can do as we want on a harddisk partition. As long as we are able to copy the harddisk file to the floppy, who care how the file is stored on the harddisk.

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-13 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes What I thought you were saying was a method by which you were integrating the win drive into a network with other computers, in terms of accessing the files. I am assuming that you are allowed to log in a portable PC with QPC2 installed

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-12 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 12 Jan 2005 at 12:23, P Witte wrote: (...) I'm just asking this question since I don't think I'd be competent enough to make these changes. If YOU cant, that doesnt leave us many options ;) As I see it, the problem isn't so much the actual coding in itself (you could do that, too).

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-12 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes clip Interesting ... can you write this up sometime in QLToday as this would be a useful guide to 'Getting the best out of QPC'. I think it has been mentioned a couple of times. The QPC method is unique to QPC2 I think. The

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-11 Thread P Witte
Dilwyn Jones writes: We've down this road many times before, unless Marcel has new ideas to offer I don't really see the point of raising this again. Just because JRH managed to exceed 36 characters in his zip files! Not quite. Ive always lobbied for an advanced new file system. Im now

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-11 Thread P Witte
Marcel Kilgus writes: Im assuming that you were answering two different mails here. Forget the QPC 'hole' that got me going and lets look at path depth for SMSQ/E in general: Unfortunately directories have to be read raw, meaning that the format is limited to 36 characters. If one were to

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-11 Thread P Witte
François Van Emelen writes: Perhaps we should have another bash at finding a solution to our debilitating filename length problem? snip Let battle commence! Per What about QVFS QDOS Virtual File System by Hans-Peter Reckenwald? François Van Emelen I did mention this (option 2) I tried it a

Re: Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-11 Thread dilwyn.jones
Perhaps we should have another bash at finding a solution to our debilitating filename length problem? snip Let battle commence! Per What about QVFS QDOS Virtual File System by Hans-Peter Reckenwald? François Van Emelen I did mention this (option 2) I tried it a long time ago. It

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-11 Thread Malcolm Lear
Quite agree. I too have recently been driven nuts with the limitations. A new set of traps to an advanced directory system sounds good. Perhaps with a new 'CD' navigation command. I suppose the old traps could be rewritten such that older software has access to the new system to a path length

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-11 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 11 Jan 2005 at 16:24, Malcolm Lear wrote: (...) Does anyone know the history of the 36 character limit. Was it a file name length limit set before directories came about? Yes. At first the Ql didn't have directories at all. They came, unless I'm mistaken with TK II and disk interfaces

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-11 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes clip In an indirect way, by defining the pseudo devices like DEV you can work around this to some extent in some circumstances if you are desperate. Setting the base devices for DOS to have longer Windows path names lets me

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-11 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:42:37 -, P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cut The recent questionnair should be able to answer the question: What percentage of QLers use both Qdos AND hard disks [HDD] (a small percentage I would

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-11 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
I have a question here. Currently, the way directories are handled is by making a directory a somewhat special file (file type -1, IIRC). Apart from that, though,a directory ia a simple file that can be accessed more or less like any file. Directories contain an entry per file referenced in

Re: [ql-users] QL filename length revisited

2005-01-10 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Actually, there are two separate issues here, one is the name length, the other is the path depth. Personally, Im not too fussed about file or directory names being limited to 36 chars, although ideally it should be more like 255+ chars for compatibility with various advanced barbarian systems.