RE: Divisiveness

2014-06-10 Thread Alan Brownstein
Eugene is certainly correct that sometimes a constitutional decision intended to take an issue off of the table of political deliberation and avoid political/religious divisions will have counterproductive consequences. I tend to see this as an unavoidable cost of deciding constitutional cases

Re: Divisiveness

2014-06-10 Thread Scarberry, Mark
Jon, I think you don't understand, or are ignoring, the point of view of the Hobby Lobby parties. They don't object to employees buying what the Hobby Lobby parties consider to be abortifacient drugs. I don't think they monitor what their employees do with wages or would take any action

Re: Divisiveness

2014-06-10 Thread K Chen
Sorry to go way back in time to yesterday, but Chip wrote The problem now is not divisiveness, per se. Like any controversial Supreme Court decision, some will hate it and others will love it. Inevitably, these folks will be divided by their disagreement. The problem is legitimacy. Free

RE: Divisiveness

2014-06-10 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
We've been over this before, of course, but as long as we're filling out the facts ... they are required to pay a $2,000-per-employee assessment if they drop health insurance, on top of being forced to choose an option that would either cause them significant competitive disadvantage or

Re: Divisiveness

2014-06-10 Thread Marty Lederman
My understanding is that that IRS reg is not about the option of declining to offer a plan at all -- something that I'd think the statute guarantees and that the executive cannot change -- but instead about whether certain employer-employee arrangements for health care costs are excludable from

Re: Divisiveness

2014-06-10 Thread Marty Lederman
I didn't say that the Greens are not potentially burden as company directors -- indeed, that's exactly what I've argued the case is about, rather than being about corporate free exercise or shareholder rights: http://balkin.blogspot.com/2014/01/hobby-lobby-part-v-whose-religious.html On Tue,

Re: Divisiveness

2014-06-10 Thread Marty Lederman
Well, as long as we're filling out the facts, it begs the question to assume that taking this option would cause any particular employer significant competitive disadvantage. Perhaps it would and perhaps it wouldn't. A recent report (

Re: Divisiveness

2014-06-10 Thread Scarberry, Mark
But are they the beneficial owners of the shares as beneficiaries of the trust? Sent from my iPad On Jun 10, 2014, at 11:32 AM, Marty Lederman lederman.ma...@gmail.commailto:lederman.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't say that the Greens are not potentially burden as company directors -- indeed,

RE: Divisiveness

2014-06-10 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I think there's much to what Alan says, but I think the relationship between national and local politics is complex. For instance, while choosing U.S. Supreme Court Justices is a matter for national politics, many groups that organize to influence that will also have local

Request for suggestions on Religion Law casebook and/or syllabus

2014-06-10 Thread Marty Lederman
I'm teaching the law of religion this fall, after several years away from the survey course. Has anyone here had a great deal of success with any particular casebook? (I usually assign full opinions, but am open to using a casebook if there's a superlative one out there.) And do any of you have

RE: Simple Hobby Lobby question

2014-06-10 Thread Daniel J. Greenwood
Surely directors have a fiduciary duty as a matter of state law to set aside their personal beliefs and act in the interests of the corporation – not their own souls – according to their best professional judgment. It would be strange indeed to discover that the First Amendment nationalizes

Granting free exercise rights to a corporation ... is what we usually call 'establishment'

2014-06-10 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Could you please elaborate a bit further on the assertion in the last sentence? A corporation, after all, is a private entity, not the government; it’s not obvious, then, that giving it free exercise rights is an “establishment,” at least in any constitutional sense. Indeed,

RE: Divisiveness

2014-06-10 Thread Daniel J. Greenwood
Even if the Greens are shareholders or beneficiaries of a trust that holds the shares, they aren’t buying anything. The funds used to purchase the insurance belong either to the corporation or its employees, depending on whether one is thinking about the moment before or after the employment

Re: Simple Hobby Lobby question

2014-06-10 Thread Douglas Laycock
The thoughts below may well be right for a corporation with religiously diverse ownership. But Hobby Lobby is closely held, with a voting trust created in part to ensure that the business would be run consistently with the family's religious commitments. In public opinion, and often in law, we

Re: Simple Hobby Lobby question

2014-06-10 Thread Marty Lederman
Lord knows Doug and I have plenty of differences on this case, but on this one we agree, at least roughly speaking. The directors may have a duty to act in the corporations' interests . . . but they are also the ones here who decide what those interests are. There are no stockholders to whom

Re: Simple Hobby Lobby question

2014-06-10 Thread Richard Dougherty
I would add that it is likely that Hobby Lobby is acting in the interests of the corporation in this instance, including the fiduciary interest; scores of people shop at Hobby Lobby because they like what it stands for. Take that away, or make it seem as if they have abandoned it, and it can't

Re: Divisiveness

2014-06-10 Thread Marty Lederman
Can't stress this too often, apparently, since it doesn't seem to take hold: The alleged burden here is *not *about the expenditure of money; it's about the choices. See http://balkin.blogspot.com/2014/02/hobby-lobby-part-viii-hobby-lobbys.html On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:40 PM, Daniel J.