Re: George Washington adding under God to the Presidential oath

2005-07-20 Thread RJLipkin
Does grammar have a role to play in the controversy between Marty and Jim? If so, it seems Marty wins. "Democratic" is, of course, an adjective; "Democrat" is a noun. If not, why not? Bobby Robert Justin LipkinProfessor of LawWidener University School of LawDelaware

Re: George Washington adding under God to the Presidential oath

2005-07-20 Thread JMHACLJ
How about capitalization? How about punctuation? I will call the Democrat Party the Democrat Party. Truth is, I only pretend to be saluting McCarthy, whose information turned out to be impeccable even if his personality and ethic did not. My pretense was offered because, in pointing out the

RE: George Washington adding under God to the Presidential oath

2005-07-20 Thread Douglas Laycock
I never associated Democrat Party with McCarthy, although I'm not all that surprised to learn that he originated it. I always associated it with middle school. It is intended to be somehow insulting without really having any discernable meaning and without being very clever. It is a middle

RE: George Washington adding under God to the Presidential oath

2005-07-20 Thread Friedman, Howard M.
So help me God seems to have been used in at least some of the state constitutional oaths in the late 18th century. Here is an excerpt from the 1776 South Carolina Constitution (available at http://federalistpatriot.us/histdocs/constitution_of_south_carolina.asp) XXXIII. That all

Re: George Washington adding under God to the Presidential oath

2005-07-20 Thread RJLipkin
In a message dated 7/20/2005 9:15:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about capitalization? How about punctuation? I will call the Democrat Party the Democrat Party. You can, of course, call the Democratic Party anything you wish. However, the

FW: [CR] Leftist Sharks Attack Judge Roberts

2005-07-20 Thread Gibbens, Daniel G.
Title: Message I assume this isa typical reaction of the "Christian Right". I'm delighted you list folk are not stimulated to make such quick comments, but I'dappreciate anyviews (I confess ignorance about John G. Roberts). Dan -Original Message-From: Christian Response

RE: George Washington adding under God to the Presidential oath

2005-07-20 Thread Newsom Michael
At least you concede that you were taunting. And I thought that that was inappropriate comment on this listserv. It would help if you would respect the norms. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:29 AM To:

Constitutional revisionism

2005-07-20 Thread Gene Garman
The Founding Father's commanded "no religious test shall ever be required." The First Amendment commands "religion," shall not be established by law or Congress. It is way past time for attorneys, judges, and justices to recognize the words of the Constitution. The words "church and state" are

Re: Constitutional revisionism

2005-07-20 Thread franklyspeaking
Read Thomas Pain! The Founding Father's commanded "no religious test shall ever be required." The First Amendment commands "religion," shall not be established by law or Congress. It is way past time for attorneys, judges, and justices to recognize the words of the Constitution. The words

Re: George Washington adding under God to the Presidential oath

2005-07-20 Thread JMHACLJ
In a message dated 7/20/2005 11:35:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It would help if you would respect the norms. Please. An end to this nonsense. I will call the Democrat Party the Democrat Party. Some of you may dislike it. You, in turn, will call me juvenile.

Re: Constitutional revisionism

2005-07-20 Thread JMHACLJ
If "Establishment of Religion" has a known and definite meaning in the context of its adoption with the rest of what became the First Amendment, why do we have to "get real" in a way that inflates new meanings, new limitations, and new disparagements of religion into that text? As a strict

Re: Constitutional revisionism

2005-07-20 Thread Gene Garman
Words mean things. The Establishment Clause does have a definite meaning. "Religion" is not to be established by law or Congress. "Religion" means religion, not something less. English 101: the word "thereof" in the Free Exercise Clause gets its entire meaning from that to which it refers in

RE: Constitutional revisionism

2005-07-20 Thread Douglas Laycock
Don't confuse the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) with the ACLJ (American Center for Law and Justice). They may agree on freedom of religious speech, and on free exercise when there is no countervailing civil liberty that the ACLU likes better. But on the whole, I suspect thatboth

Re: George Washington adding under God to the Presidential oath

2005-07-20 Thread Rick Duncan
I don't understand what all this food-fighting is about. I am a proud member of the Republic Party and I am not offended when others call it the Republic Party! Cheers and Blessings to Democrat and Republic listmembers alike, Rick Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/20/2005

RE: Religious conversions, well-founded fear of persecution shoplifting

2005-07-20 Thread Roger T. Severino
The Becket Fund recently wona strikinglysimilarcase (sans the shoplifting)thispast March, inIn re Saeed Salman et al., no. A77-820-450, see http://www.becketfund.org/index.php/case/28.html. The case concerned a family of Iranians who arrived to the U.S. on a visitor'svisas in 1999. They

Re: George Washington adding under God to the Presidential oath

2005-07-20 Thread Samuel V
And to the Libertars and Socials as well. On 7/20/05, Rick Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand what all this food-fighting is about. I am a proud member of the Republic Party and I am not offended when others call it the Republic Party! Cheers and Blessings to Democrat and

Re: George Washington adding under God to the Presidential oath

2005-07-20 Thread Jean Dudley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will call the Democrat Party the Democrat Party. Some of you may dislike it. If I had my voter registration card with me here, I could see just what it says I am. Since I don't, I'll have to go on memory alone. I'm pretty sure I'm a registered member of the

Re: George Washington adding under God to the Presidential oath

2005-07-20 Thread Jean Dudley
What about the Pale Mint folk? Samuel V wrote: And to the Libertars and Socials as well. On 7/20/05, Rick Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand what all this food-fighting is about. I am a proud member of the Republic Party and I am not offended when others call it the

RE: George Washington adding under God to the Presidential oath

2005-07-20 Thread Scarberry, Mark
On the other hand, I don't suppose President Zachary Taylor would have described his party as the Whiggish Party. Thus the name of a party need not be an adjective. And note that for Republicans, Socialists, Libertarians, etc. the same word describes the party and a member of it (e.g., a member

Re: George Washington adding under God to the Presidential oath

2005-07-20 Thread Jean Dudley
Scarberry, Mark wrote: Thus the Democratic Party seems to want special treatment, claiming the right to have its members known as Democrats rather than Democratics. :-) That's 'cause we're special*. *Noddle* Jean *For an unspecified value of "special"

Re: Constitutional revisionism

2005-07-20 Thread Gene Garman
Thank you, Professor. The slight acronymic distinction between the two organizations is confusing. Jim Henderson of the ACLJ is a 1984ish flaming liberal revisionist, not a strict constructionist. The ACLU is an accommodationist organization which erroneously reads the Free Exercise Clause as

Re: George Washington adding under God to the Presidential oath

2005-07-20 Thread Ed Darrell
Arthur V. Watkins, a Republican, was an honorable man. Consequently, the censure of Joseph McCarthy was not done in error. Had his information been "impeccable," he would not have been censured. The Party of Joseph McCarthy may, if it chooses, call the Democratic Party "the Democrat Party" in

Assaults on the England language

2005-07-20 Thread Will Linden
At 09:19 AM 7/20/05 -0500, you wrote: I never associated Democrat Party with McCarthy, although I'm not all that surprised to learn that he originated it. I always associated it with middle school. It is intended to be somehow insulting without really having any discernable meaning and