If you haven't read the complaint in the Association of Christian Schools v. UC case, I encourage you to do so. Although UC denied approval to courses concerning "Christianity's Influence on American History" and "Christianity and Morality in American Literature" as being too narrow and not
If the present administration expects to
be seen as an advocate for religious freedom, it had better intervene on
behalf of Mr. Li. This story is from Christianity Today.
Brad
U.S. Denies Asylum for Persecuted Chinese Christian
Court believes
Or, it had better halt the proceeding that it (at the very least)
continued after the initial determination favorable to Mr. Li, and
resisted on Mr. Li's appeal to the Fifth Circuit.
Brad M Pardee wrote:
If the present administration expects to
be seen as an advocate for religious freedom,
Dear Rick:
I would assume that UC has equivalent courses such as History of
Christianity; Renaissance/Reformation and a number of early modern
European courses and late antiquity courses that deal almost entirely
with the Church and Church history. There are probably courses on the
Bible
I am sure Paul would love to teach the course on Christianity hedescribes below. I am sure it would be very interesting. And if he taught it in a California high school, UC might well have approved it.
Indeed, it seems that it was the viewpoint of the course, not its subject matter, that was the
You can conclude the course with the lecture, Why the moral relativism
embraced by secularism can't adequately account for the wrongness of the
acts I just condemned.
Time for Eugene to spank us.
Frank
On 9/6/05 1:24 PM, Paul Finkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The KKK (and the use of the
My point Rick,is that the course Influence of Christianity in US
History would need to be a serious course, that looked at issues with
some skepticism and not merely propaganda; if my coursre were set out as
I did, without other things, it would hardly work as a serious course.
In the US we
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Folks: I'm sure that
people on this list would be able to compile lists of the great sins of atheists
and atheistic regimes; of Muslims; of Jews; of Catholics; of Protestants; and
more. They would also be able to compile lists of the good things that
each of those groups
OK, while I much appreciate the kind words, we're now getting
quite a distance from the list topic.
Eugene
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Eugene:
My point was a serious one about how one organizes a course, and
reminder that when people teach a course to argue for a viewpoint and to
ignore other information it undermines academic integrity. The fact is
this: a History of the Influence of Christianity in American history
In a message dated 9/6/2005 3:41:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My point
was a serious one about how one organizes a course, and reminder that when
people teach a course to argue for a viewpoint and to ignore other
information it undermines academic
I think Paul is wrong. Theologically conservative Protestant Christians are
concerned about the abuses of religion. The ones who have set up schools are
mostly in the tradition of the dissenters (like Roger Williams) who were the
subject of religious persecution. It is an unfortunate stereotype to
Well, all I saw was what the post said. The post listed bad
things that Christianity is responsible for; it seemed pretty clearly
like a slam at Christianity. It strikes me as very likely that many
people would have interpreted it this way. I would have thought that
the author would
A discussion about how a public educational system may / should evaluate
religious' schools' treatments of religious topics fairly opens up
substantive debate about what constitutes a sufficiently critical
treatment of religious topics. Paul Finkelman's post dramatized the
ample space available
Eugene: You obviously did not read the first two paragraphs of the post if
that is all you saw!
Quoting Volokh, Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Well, all I saw was what the post said. The post listed bad
things that Christianity is responsible for; it seemed pretty
clearly
like a slam at
I did read those paragraphs, and I stick by my analysis. I'll
say it again -- if you think, as Prof. Finkelman does, that some
religion (or religion generally, or atheism generally) has been a malign
influence on the nation, you are surely quite entitled to think that and
to say that in a
Rick, Jim, others: Please feel entirely free to post all you
want on why it is that religion is really good for the country, why
Christianity has advanced the cause of civilization, why atheist
countries have undermined civil liberties, and the like. Being from the
USSR, I'd especially
I can only speak for myself, but I don't think I advocated open season,
and I certainly didn't express any desire to explain all [I] want about
how Christianity, Protestantism, Republicanism, or anything else is bad
for the country. You took the not unprecedented, but still unusual
step of ruling
My response was probably more peevish than it should have been,
and I apologize for that. Nonetheless, even though Greg's intentions
were doubtless good, his position, it seems to me, would indeed in
effect make everything I mentioned -- and nearly everything more
generally -- on-topic.
Title: Re: UC Case: Facts from Complaint
Bobby, I dont disagree with you. All I was saying is that secular relativism cannot account for the wrongs. I did not say that secularism is relativistic per se. What I was thinking of was the stuff written by Stephen Gey in which he says that
With great appreciation for Eugene's moderation of this list, which is
essential to its value (and appreciation for his creating such a wonderful
venue for discussion in the first place):
I think there is a lower signal to noise ratio on this list than there used
to be. Perhaps all of us can be
I thought I'd pass along a message I got from a fellow list
member, whose work and opinions I much respect.
Eugene
I share your frustration, Eugene. I have almost unsubscribed several
times
over the last few months. I'm tired of posts that are primarily
written to
annoy list
At 02:11 PM 9/6/05 -0500, you wrote:
My point Rick,is that the course Influence of Christianity in US History
would need to be a serious course, that looked at issues with some
skepticism and not merely propaganda; if my coursre were set out as I did,
without other things, it would hardly
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