Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: unsubscribe (reading yahoo group posts - a butter way - no popcorn)

2010-08-15 Thread Nate Duehr
On Aug 14, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Chuck Kelsey wrote: I'm the opposite. I want all my email dumped in one inbox. I'm afraid if it gets sorted to different folders, something's bound to get missed. Just like the mailman puts all my snail mail in one mailbox. Works just fine. Same reason I

Properly designed PAs (was: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.)

2010-08-15 Thread Nate Duehr
On Aug 14, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Jeff DePolo wrote: I disagree. I would accept the notion that the transmitter may not be happy (and I put that in quotes not to mock you, but becuase I can't come up with a better word either) because it is not *properly matched* when looking into a 50+j0 load.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Nate Duehr
On Aug 14, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Jeff DePolo wrote: Well, kinda. Many duplexers are spec'ed for 1.5:1 (14 dB RL) input VSWR max. Fortunately, I rarely see any that are that bad. I'll gladly trade off a tenth of a dB of insertion loss for several (if not 10 or more) dB of return loss improvement

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Russ Hines
Hi Kevin: Regarding temperature, our club has a site, no A/C or heat, where temperatures inside the shelter can get below +20 deg F in winter, and well over 130 deg F in the summer heat. I can't imagine filter tuning not changing under such conditions, Invar or not. I can see over time

Re: [Repeater-Builder] new member introduction

2010-08-15 Thread ZephyrNYC
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 20:32, Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com wrote: Very little, typically. Almost all have solid-state components that would be utterly dead after an EMP. Tube gear that survives EMP better is virtually all gone. And user radios are required for any repeater to be useful,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Joe
I don't know about that. Anritsu SiteMaster and CellMaster test sets are fairly common test equipment available to cell techs here in Connecticut. Whether they use them (or know how) is another thing. Joe On 8/15/2010 2:59 AM, Nate Duehr wrote: What's up with the RF industry not buying

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Jeff DePolo
But why? If all of the power (or, let's hope, at least 99.99% of it) is on-channel, *should* a properly-designed and properly-functioning transmitter misbehave due to the poor match a duplexer presents at frequencies far removed from the channel center? Well yes, properly

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Jeff DePolo
Actually I think that even though Service Monitors have finally become *relatively* commonplace in the Ham Shack, the VNA is not something most hams have seen or know how to use. For $100, Rick's (Amtronix) return loss bridge is a must-have for anyone that has a SM with a SA/TG. With it,

RE: Properly designed PAs (was: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.)

2010-08-15 Thread Jeff DePolo
Jeff, out of all the PAs you've seen out there, both commonly used and not-so-common... which ones (in your opinion) are properly designed (when working right)? I think a lot of them, generally speaking, are properly designed. That's not to say that some of them don't have some downsides or

[Repeater-Builder] Digital repeater sidebands??

2010-08-15 Thread Burt Lang
Hi folks We have a digital repeater in the 420-430 MHz subband that is being installed shortly on our site. I am concerned about the possible interference to systems in the 440-450Mhz subband on the same site. What experience have you folks had with similar systems and installations? What

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Digital repeater sidebands??

2010-08-15 Thread Burt Lang
I just realized that we also have another commercial analog repeater in the 420-430MHz band, so close in sidebands would also be a concern. Burt VE2BMQ Burt Lang wrote: Hi folks We have a digital repeater in the 420-430 MHz subband that is being installed shortly on our site. I am

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Digital repeater sidebands??

2010-08-15 Thread petedcurtis
I guess you say what type of modulation and bandwidth are you using for the new Digital Repeater? Should not be any problem. The digital modulation mask are getting more efficient in the use of the spectrum as channel bandwidth get narrower. The name of the game is to get more spectrum

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread JOHN MACKEY
I've brought that issue up a few times, and usually get the blank radio shack salesman type of stare. -- Original Message -- Received: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:45:47 PM PDT From: Jeff DePolo j...@broadsci.com There is no simple rule of thumb, and if anybody tells you that there is, ask

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Gary Schafer
Russ, Of course the Bird 43 does not measure power directly. But it does sample voltage AND current on the line in amounts that are combined to indicate power. It is a directional coupler. The only time you will have a problem with it deviating from its accuracy is when the directivity

RE: {Disarmed} [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread R.K. Brumback
Quote from Skip: Just reading this thread gives me a headache... Skip, you are not the only one reaching for the Advil. When I read it, I thought, OH NO, here it goes again. Randy From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of skipp025

Re: [Repeater-Builder] new member introduction

2010-08-15 Thread STeve Andre'
On Sunday 15 August 2010 02:27:17 ZephyrNYC wrote: On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 20:32, Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com wrote: Very little, typically. Almost all have solid-state components that would be utterly dead after an EMP. Tube gear that survives EMP better is virtually all gone. And user

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Stuff For Sale!

2010-08-15 Thread n2len
80 in for 200 out --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Maire-Radios maire-rad...@... wrote: what is the input power on the 200 watt Vocom amp? K+John - Original Message - From: n2len To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 9:24

RE: [Repeater-Builder] RG-142, RG-400 va RG-223

2010-08-15 Thread Eric Lemmon
I should have mentioned that RG-223 has a solid silver-coated copper center conductor, while RG-400 has a stranded silver-coated center conductor, which makes RG-400 better suited where flexibility counts. RG-142 has a solid steel center conductor that is solver coated and copper clad, but it

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Mark
Agreed!! Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon (major snippage) This discussion is both informative and quite entertaining! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tait T800 Series II

2010-08-15 Thread Ken Arck
At 10:10 AM 8/13/2010, Steve wrote: Hi the T800,s both series one and two are great, series one uses eproms series two is an eeprom programmed using a single data line via an rj11 skt on the front and rear. In the UK a series two sells for around 400ukp a low band series one for around 200ukp.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Russ Hines
I see some folks are heading for the Advil. My apologies. Thanks, Gary, for admitting the 43 doesn't measure power directly. One myth down. Of course, it is a directional coupler, no argument. That makes it a reflectometer, it enables the instrument to isolate forward/reflected samples

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tait T800 Series II

2010-08-15 Thread Steve
Hi glad to help. That price is a bit high,ex demo or not, it is still secondhand and I would imagine $800-850 to be a fair price 73 Steve - Original Message - From: Ken Arck ah...@ah6le.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Henry C100D10R Repeater Amplifier Fuse Rating ?

2010-08-15 Thread Paul Holm
Fuses protect wiring. Equipment should be fused to match the power handling level of the leads that supply it. For a 100 watt mobile, I would choose 10ga wire (unless the leads needed to be quite long) and fuse it at 30amps. 73 Paul - Original Message - From: hfd_firefighter I

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Gary Schafer
Hi again Russ, _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Hines Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 4:54 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc. I see some folks are

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Russ Hines
Last round. Hi again, Gary. ;-) On 8/15/2010 7:09 PM, Gary Schafer wrote: Hi again Russ, *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ Hines *Sent:* Sunday,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Kevin Custer
Russ Hines wrote: Hi Kevin: Regarding temperature, our club has a site, no A/C or heat, where temperatures inside the shelter can get below +20 deg F in winter, and well over 130 deg F in the summer heat. I can't imagine filter tuning not changing under such conditions, Invar or not. I

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Gary Schafer
I don't know if you really don't get it or you are just trying to be controversial. I tend to think a little of both. Either way, I give up. 73 Gary K4FMX _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Hines Sent: Sunday,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tait T800 Series II

2010-08-15 Thread Ed Yoho
Ken Arck wrote: At 10:10 AM 8/13/2010, Steve wrote: Hi the T800,s both series one and two are great, series one uses eproms series two is an eeprom programmed using a single data line via an rj11 skt on the front and rear. In the UK a series two sells for around 400ukp a low band series one

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Jeff DePolo
I know I'm going to regret stepping into this one, but since when has that stopped me before... Thanks, Gary, for admitting the 43 doesn't measure power directly. What do you mean by measure power directly? If you're talking about comparing a thruline measurement against

[Repeater-Builder] antenna plan

2010-08-15 Thread Paul Holm
I'm looking for input on an antenna plan. Currently have a Diamond X500HNA on a water tank. Antenna is mounted on a mast, clamped to the fill pipe on the side of the tank, with base of antenna just above the top of the tank in order to maintain a circular pattern. See the picture attached,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Russ Hines
Sorry, Gary. I have a bad tendency to question what's put in front of me. That includes what I call the girl copy I read in product manuals and brochures. FWIW, girl copy refers to the rarely-true supposed personal information about the particular lady-of-the-month in certain men's

[Repeater-Builder] repeater builder for 1.2 fn atv

2010-08-15 Thread Bob
Looking for video id, photo sequencer, 2-8 watts out so that I may attach 20watt final amp. Also what controller may be used most affectively. I need a good jobber that may head me in the direction. Eastern Pa. 800' level ant. de WB3DTG, Bethlehem, Pa. fn20hq73

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Tait T800 Series II

2010-08-15 Thread niteviser
Hi Ed, The differences I see between the -25 and -26 are minor. Caps and resistors in the Low Pass Filter audio stage and a different 12.8Mhz reference with a voltage tuning pin, where the standard didn't have it. The specifications of the reference are same otherwise, 1ppm -20 to +70. If you

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Tait T800 Series II

2010-08-15 Thread Ed Yoho
niteviser wrote: Hi Ed, The differences I see between the -25 and -26 are minor. Caps and resistors in the Low Pass Filter audio stage and a different 12.8Mhz reference with a voltage tuning pin, where the standard didn't have it. The specifications of the reference are same otherwise,

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Henry C100D10R Repeater Amplifier Fuse Rating ?

2010-08-15 Thread ae6zm
It is good to keep in mind that a fuse provides full protection only to the conductors downstream of the fuse, i.e. between the fuse and the load. While we often thing we are protecting the wire between the fuse and the point of supply, it gives only limited protection in that portion of the

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Tait T800 Series II

2010-08-15 Thread niteviser
Ed, The tuning pin is the FM pin of the 12.8MHz module. There were several 12.8 MHz references some with 3 pins and then some with 4 pins which used the half rail to set the frequency mid point. It was quite acceptable to program to the closest frequency on the Eprom and pull the reference

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Fs: (/\/\)otorola UHF Desktrac

2010-08-15 Thread burkleoj
I don't know about your neck of the woods, but one of the local ham groups picked up a Desktrac already tuned on the ham band to their frequency for $125 with the service manual. It does not have enough of a transmit duty cycle for their semi-busy ham system so it is sitting on the shelf. First