Re: Retro
Try Chapter 2 of the Retrospect Manual: Fundamentals. Best trick with Retrospect is not to make any assumptions about it - if you think that you're being smart and getting around a traditional backup/retore problem, don't bother 'cause retrospect has probably already taken that into account for you :) The only instances where you will need to track things a little differently is if (as others have mentioned) you have massive database files that change on a regular basis. Don't forget that by doing full backups, you are losing the versioning capability so if you save a file with mistakes and you're doing full backups you've lost the older versions. I used to have some literature that I'd written out for explaining incrementalPlus somewhere - have to go dig that out of the archives... Cheers, Erik Quoting David Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Eric - is there a really good, down-to-earth, layman's terms explanation of IncrementalPlus lying around somewhere? Sounds like it's time for a note on how it works, why it's so functional, and how it makes our lives easier. I'd do it myself but why reinvent the wheel? I'm sure you have a ready-made "tutorial" somewhere around there, no? :-) Reading between the lines I suspect that one or both of these folks are trying to apply the typical Win/DOS backup tape operation to Retrospect. Over the years I've discovered you have to talk about how low end PC backup programs which use the archive bit to know what's changed and erase all of that from their head before they begin to understand how Retrospect works. And until that happens their setup, usage, and results will be a mess. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Retro
Pam Lefkowitz wrote: Incrementals using Retrospect are handled *very* differently than other backup software implementations. What were you hoping for/expecting them to be and what kinds of problems were you having? I'd be happy to work with you on this off-list with a summary to the list if you'd like. Pam Pam, Thanks for your offer. I will give it another chance first. And to appease those who might think that there is an expectation based from other backup software, Retrospect is the only software I have experience with and encounters with other software have produced a very negative reaction. I like Retrospect for ease of use. Simple, expedient, what more can I say? But after I hooked up a DDS-4 tape unit and I tried to run RS in "normal" backup mode (incremental), I would come in the morning to find numerous errors on the screen and no backup. And after having lost drives (this has happened 2 times) within days of having no backup I will not tolerate more than 1 day w/o a complete backup. I gave up and went to a single script that uses a different tape each day, completely replacing the contents, along with a monthly archive backup. Now this was about two years ago. And yes, I too, have several large FMP files that need backup. My expectations for an incremental backup are as have been described in other posts on this list, that is, one initial complete backup followed by backup of only files that have changed. Makes complete sense to me. I'll give it another shot. -- Craig Gaevert, A.I.A. Architect TLCD Architecture Santa Rosa, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Basic Configuration (Was: Re: Retro)
I use the same basic setup. Its easier to restore only the docs and prefs to the disk after you have restored everything else with an image. (I made a an image of a bootable CD and replaced the TCP/IP pref with our support IP address. That way I have IP access to the server, not slow appletalk. Its worth the effort). At 9:21 AM -0800 3/8/01, Craig Gaevert wrote: And after having lost drives (this has happened 2 times) within days of having no backup I will not tolerate more than 1 day w/o a complete backup. I gave up and went to a single script that uses a different tape each day, completely replacing the contents, along with a monthly archive backup. Now this was about two years ago. And yes, I too, have several large FMP files that need backup. I am probably in the minority here with my situation, but I feel I just have to speak up. Apologies in advance if I offend anyone. Here at my workplace, we have a standard configuration that we implement. Sure, there are a number of folk (mostly our publications staff) that deviate from the standard, but not enough that we need more than one image that includes all the applications on a typical user's box. I create an image of the drive and using Apple Software Restore, I can replace a user's drive, should it crash, in about 10 minutes. Then it's just a matter of replacing the user's Documents folder and bookmark files, which are backed up nightly using incrementals. All in all, it takes me about a half-hour to completely restore a user after a crash, more if I have to re-install other applications (such as Photoshop, Illustrator, etc. that our Pubs folk use). Every one of our users is told when they start, and they get frequent reminders, that nothing not in the Documents folder (save their bookmarks) gets backed up. We keep the Documents folder on the desktop so they can get to it easily, and remind them to make aliases instead of putting files/folders on the desktop. Our servers do not follow this regimen, though they probably should. Maybe when I do the next upgrade...have a basic OS for the image, and the apps can be re-installed fairly easily, or have OS apps each in their own image. Do most people who use Retrospect not have a standard config that they can rebuild from, in case of a crash? I know you can also use Retrospect in this regard, but I personally find it easier using ASR. If we were using Windows machines, I'd buy a copy of Ghost and do the same thing. Or do most of you back up the whole drive each night, because each drive is different and there are no standards? Or something else? I'm just curious, I guess, and puzzled. Of course, my Windows box at home doesn't have a standard config nor does it get backed up (yipe!), but I'm planning on backing everything up this weekend and starting over from scratch anyway. And maybe I can put backup software on the Christmas list this year. :) -- --- Julia Frizzell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netspace.org/~glyneth http://www.theblackroad.org "Insert pithy quote here." -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050. -- Todd Williams UCSD ECE Computing Support Group (858)-534-7821 If you ever stop learning . . . perhaps you're dead!!! -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
RE: Basic Configuration (Was: Re: Retro)
From: Todd Williams I use the same basic setup. Its easier to restore only the docs and prefs to the disk after you have restored everything else with an image. Keep in mind how Retrospect works (based on Eric's ASCIIart). If you're already using disk imagine software (Mac or Windows) to roll out computers, Retrospect only makes one copy of identical files. So, there's only one copy of those files in the backup set -- and, if you install those files locally to the backup computer, those files never have to be copied across the LAN. So, you don't have to limit the backups to the Docs folder. Craig -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Basic Configuration (Was: Re: Retro)
For the Macs, I made a bootable CD with Retrospect client installed and configured. 1. Boot from CD 2. format the hard disk, 3. Restore from network backup 4. Reboot system...Done. Depending on how much data, it can take from 20 minutes to 2 hours. I just can't push that tape any faster... :) Notes on the Bootable CDs: I have 4 different types of Macs. BW G3 G4 G3 Powerbook (firewire) 7600-9600 series I had to create 3 CD's 1 for the BW G3 1 for the G4 1 for the Powerbooks and 7600-9600's For some reason I cannot get a universal system built that will boot on all of them. I installed Retrospect client and configured all the TCP/IP settings to a standard single IP number that I have reserved for restores. Some of the WinTel's, I've been able to create a boot ZIP disk for and install the Retro-Client on it. It works, but only for certain WinTel's. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Basic Configuration (Was: Re: Retro)
Hi, I got to say: in a university environment the image/fixed data path works like a charm. The students (clients) will pretty much mess up a workstation within 3 months. By having a 4BG Ghost image for NT4 and 2k download in under 10 minutes and then restore networking and data if any is the most efficient way to operate for us. Have you ever tried to do a restore from a backup set with 8 DLT members? It's a lot of trips to the tape drive... As far as having IT recommend the way to work in a company/university, I think is the sanest option: Usually you have 1-10 IT guys and 5-600 users. Can you imagine the scenario combinations? Long live server data storage! Cheers, Ben Pam Lefkowitz wrote: On 3/8/2001 1:07 PM, "Julia Frizzell" wrote: Every one of our users is told when they start, and they get frequent reminders, that nothing not in the Documents folder (save their bookmarks) gets backed up. We keep the Documents folder on the desktop so they can get to it easily, and remind them to make aliases instead of putting files/folders on the desktop. Julia, Seems to me that this is all a matter of how the IT is structured and who has ownership and control over data. If the goal is for IT to design and determine how users can and should work, then your setup works fine (assuming, of course, that everyone saves everything to the designated spot). If, on the other hand, users work in a way that gives them freedom to be comfortable in their work environment (therefore, more productive) then your method isn't as effective. I had a client who was determined to have IT own the workflow and have all documents, etc. reside on the servers. I questioned this logic but I never really got an answer as to how they were going to handle it when the their boss lost data because he just couldn't figure out how to navigate the servers to save his stuff or because he just got back from a 3 week business trip and hadn't had time to move his things to the server yet. Frankly, if a missed deadline caused by lost data costs the company a $x-million fine then something is wrong in the IT structure/workflow/strategy. Obviously, you can see where my preference for user support lies...strongly. I believe that IT is there to *support* our users, not to tell them how to best do their job. Therefore, I vote HUGELY in favor of backing up desktops as well as servers. One can never be too protected. Whew, quite a rant that was. Think I'll go out for a walk. Pam --- Pam Lefkowitz, President Core Computing Technologies, Inc. voice:847/675-3513fax: 847/675-3564 Member, Apple Solution Experts/Apple Product Professional Dantz Development Solutions Provider -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Retro
Hi John, I'm trying to understand something. Can you tell me *why* you want to perform a complete backup every night? Why not incrementals? Thanks! Eric Ullman Dantz Development John Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am running Retrospect to backup about 16GB. I want to do the following: Nightly complete backup. Use a different tape each night. Setup: Win2K server, Retrospect, 6 slot HP tape drive. Retrospect keeps wanting to use the same tape each night and I have to change a setting manually and only have one tape in the drive at a time or it tries to use the same tape...This is so annoying...can someone help me? My ultimate goal is to rotate three sets of six tapes. Each tape will have one nights complete backup. I would like this to be automated instead of having to change a setting or deleting backup sets etc. J -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Retro
on 3/7/01 4:04 PM, "Eric Ullman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John, I'm trying to understand something. Can you tell me *why* you want to perform a complete backup every night? Why not incrementals? Thanks! Eric Ullman Dantz Development In my case, for Clear Ink, I built a system with amanda as the backup tool because we needed something to backup the Unix boxes. They have *daily full backups* of the unix boxes (everything would fit on one DLT tape and the backups would only take a total of about 4 hours...at the time on a 10mbit network...CI has sinced moved to a routed and switched 100bt network so it is probably faster now). Each night, the previous nights tape would go home with a trusted employee and the employee would bring the oldest tape back. We had enough tapes for 4 weeks (5 day weeks) worth of backups (ie: 20 DLT tapes...not cheap). The tapes were re-used on a rotational basis and new tapes were bought every once and a while in order to cycle in fresh media. If one tape fails, we would only be out a minimum of a single day's worth of data and a max of maybe a couple days (if there are multiple failures). If the building burns down or hardware was stolen, we could still get tapes from the home. Ultra redundant and very failsafe. thanks, -jon -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Retro
Well, comments first, solution second. Comments -- I personally use full backup on weekends and incrementals through a week. If you are dealing with single large files that change daily, then an incremental would do wonderful. (Yep, I too have a Filemaker database that is very large). The idea behind an incremental backup is that it will only backup the files that change. When it does so, it creates a NEW COPY of that file on the tape. You can do searches for previous versions on the same backup set. In my backup, On the weekend it backs up the entire database. On Monday the database changes, Monday night it backs up the entire database again...and so on through the week. If I discover that on Tuesday, the database got corrupted, but the corrupted database was backed up on Monday night, I simple tell Retrospect to look for previous versions of that file and wallah, it finds both the weekend version and the monday night version and I tell it to restore the weekend version. I've used that several times to "revert to saved" after too many modifications were done while developing software. Nice little feature of Retrospect. -- Possible solution if you don't like the idea. -- Now, if you'd rather just do a full backup every night to a different tape, I would suggest you create several backup scripts that would write to the tape you want it too. I've never tried it, but it seems like the obvious solution. For example. You could set up scripts: Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Each script would back up using a different Backup set and each script would only trigger on the day specified. The tape is named the same as the backup set, so it should automatically change to that tape. I personally have restored many computers after doing incrementals for a week. I've had computers die over the weekend and since the new backup happens on weekends, that means restoring from the previous weekends full backups and all the incrementals. Fortunately, Retrospect handles ALL of that for you. You just click "Restore most recent" Hello, I am running Retrospect to backup about 16GB. I want to do the following: Nightly complete backup. Use a different tape each night. Setup: Win2K server, Retrospect, 6 slot HP tape drive. Retrospect keeps wanting to use the same tape each night and I have to change a setting manually and only have one tape in the drive at a time or it tries to use the same tape...This is so annoying...can someone help me? My ultimate goal is to rotate three sets of six tapes. Each tape will have one nights complete backup. I would like this to be automated instead of having to change a setting or deleting backup sets etc. J -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Retro Server 5 on NT 4
There's a PDF version in the folder that you downloaded. If you don't have the folder any more, it's available on our website: http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=latest_docs HTH! Irena Solomon If I downloaded my copy of Retrospect, where would I find this guide? Subject: Re: Retro Server 5 on NT 4 Full instructions for doing an Emergency Restore start on page 114 of the Retrospect for Windows User's Guide. You may also select "Prepare for Emergency Restore" from the Window menu in Retrospect; this will list what you will need to restore and allow you to print full Emergency Restore instructions. Searching for "Windows Restore" in our knowledgebase now also returns these instructions, as well as several platform-specific notes. Regards, Irena Solomon Dantz Technical Support 925.253.3050 Try our Searchable Knowledgebase at: http://partners.dantz.com:591/faq/ These are the kind of tips I would hope to see on the Dantz website, too. Providing a backup solution should be more than just providing the software and the hardware. Demonstrating effective recovery options for a variety of situations and platforms on the website will only add value to the software for the user. Thanks for your response, Malcolm. I will be updating our recovery procedures to reflect your suggestions. Hi Scott, on 30/1/01 2:18 AM, Scott Dunn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. I never thought of that. Temporary directories sound like they will save my butt. Brilliant response! Would I use temp directories with win95/98? Absolutely! When faced with this situation with normal user PCs running Win9x I just format the disk, do a minimum OS install and then the Retrospect Client ... all in a temp directory. Reboot, add the client to the server and restore over the network. In preparation for this situation I setup one Win9x machine the way I want it then do a full backup. I can then use this backup to configure new machines or fix broken ones. Other people ghost one disk onto another or even a CD-R, but I find using Retrospect over the network more convenient. In an office which has several hardware configurations it tends to be simpler with Retrospect to just do a full backup BEFORE letting users use the machine so the "as supplied" configuration can be re-applied when necessary. Cheers, Malcolm -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Retro forgets I have an autoloader
Hi Steve, When using Retrospect with autoloaders, keep in mind that there are two modes of operation: unattended and interactive. All immediate actions (under the Immediate tab), except "Run," are automatically in interactive mode. All automated actions (or scripts, including those started under the Run menu or with the Run button) are automatically in unattended mode. In interactive mode, Retrospect is assuming the user is in front of the machine and can be prompted for input. This means that even though you have an autoloader, if you are doing an immediate backup, Retrospect will prompt you for the correct tape. In unattended mode, Retrospect is assuming the user is not in front of the machine. In this mode, using an autoloader, it will automatically seek out the tape(s) it needs for the restore. You may switch between the two modes once the restore operation has begun from the Control menu. Try running in unattended mode and letting Retrospect complete the operation itself. Regarding why the pop-up menu isn't appearing consistently, that may be an indication of device or communication problems; I'd strongly suggest that you give us a call and discuss this over the phone. Regards, Irena Solomon Dantz Technical Support 925.253.3050 Try our new Searchable Knowledgebase at: http://partners.dantz.com:591/faq/ From: Steve Yuroff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "retro-talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 31 Jan 2001 17:45:39 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Retro forgets I have an autoloader As I type, I'm doing a restore of a folder that got nuked from the server due to human error. My drive is a Sony DDS-3, the TSL-S9000L autoloader. Retrospect 4.3 on a beige G3, Mac OS9.04, 224megs RAM. My restore first required tape # 2 of the set, which I inserted in slot 8 of an otherwise empty magazine. It read it fine, then asked for tape #10. I happened to have tapes #6-12 in a separate magazine, so I next loaded that magazine, and choose the "scan tapes" option from the pop-up menu. After it read the tape names I used the pop-up menu to direct it to tape #10. Next it needed tape #11, which is in the next slot. But instead of offering me a pop-up menu to select the slot, I'm looking at an eject button where the pop-up with the slots and the names of their tapes should be. So I eject the magazine (as it's my only option!), and reload it. After identifying that 8 tapes are present, instead of giving me the pop-up menu with the "scan tapes" option, I'm told there's no media, and invited to eject just like before. Exactly how I'm to eject media that isn't there, I don't really get. I click eject, nothing happens. Fortunately, the autoloader eject button works. I eject the cartridge, reinsert, and let it begin the tape shuffle dance again. Now it acknowledges there are 8 tapes present. I choose slot #6 from the pop-up menu, and the restore continues. After reading that tape, it asked for tape 12, and had the pop-up menu available this time. I directed it to slot #7, and the restore completed. Can anybody explain why I twice lost the pop-up to choose the slot? TIA! Steve. -- Steve Yuroff Network and System Administrator The Hiebing Group Madison, WI. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
RE: Retro Server 5 on NT 4
These are the kind of tips I would hope to see on the Dantz website, too. Providing a backup solution should be more than just providing the software and the hardware. Demonstrating effective recovery options for a variety of situations and platforms on the website will only add value to the software for the user. Thanks for your response, Malcolm. I will be updating our recovery procedures to reflect your suggestions. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Malcolm McLeary Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 3:12 PM To: retro-talk Subject: Re: Retro Server 5 on NT 4 Hi Scott, on 30/1/01 2:18 AM, Scott Dunn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. I never thought of that. Temporary directories sound like they will save my butt. Brilliant response! Would I use temp directories with win95/98? Absolutely! When faced with this situation with normal user PCs running Win9x I just format the disk, do a minimum OS install and then the Retrospect Client ... all in a temp directory. Reboot, add the client to the server and restore over the network. In preparation for this situation I setup one Win9x machine the way I want it then do a full backup. I can then use this backup to configure new machines or fix broken ones. Other people ghost one disk onto another or even a CD-R, but I find using Retrospect over the network more convenient. In an office which has several hardware configurations it tends to be simpler with Retrospect to just do a full backup BEFORE letting users use the machine so the "as supplied" configuration can be re-applied when necessary. Cheers, Malcolm -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Information Alchemy Pty Ltd ACN 089 239 305 Canberra, Australia Malcolm McLearyMobile: 0412 636 086 Managing Director Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message was sent using Outlook Express 5.0 for Macintosh. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Retro Server 5 on NT 4
Full instructions for doing an Emergency Restore start on page 114 of the Retrospect for Windows User's Guide. You may also select "Prepare for Emergency Restore" from the Window menu in Retrospect; this will list what you will need to restore and allow you to print full Emergency Restore instructions. Searching for "Windows Restore" in our knowledgebase now also returns these instructions, as well as several platform-specific notes. Regards, Irena Solomon Dantz Technical Support 925.253.3050 Try our Searchable Knowledgebase at: http://partners.dantz.com:591/faq/ These are the kind of tips I would hope to see on the Dantz website, too. Providing a backup solution should be more than just providing the software and the hardware. Demonstrating effective recovery options for a variety of situations and platforms on the website will only add value to the software for the user. Thanks for your response, Malcolm. I will be updating our recovery procedures to reflect your suggestions. Hi Scott, on 30/1/01 2:18 AM, Scott Dunn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. I never thought of that. Temporary directories sound like they will save my butt. Brilliant response! Would I use temp directories with win95/98? Absolutely! When faced with this situation with normal user PCs running Win9x I just format the disk, do a minimum OS install and then the Retrospect Client ... all in a temp directory. Reboot, add the client to the server and restore over the network. In preparation for this situation I setup one Win9x machine the way I want it then do a full backup. I can then use this backup to configure new machines or fix broken ones. Other people ghost one disk onto another or even a CD-R, but I find using Retrospect over the network more convenient. In an office which has several hardware configurations it tends to be simpler with Retrospect to just do a full backup BEFORE letting users use the machine so the "as supplied" configuration can be re-applied when necessary. Cheers, Malcolm -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
RE: Retro Server 5 on NT 4
If I downloaded my copy of Retrospect, where would I find this guide? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Irena Solomon Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 6:11 PM To: retro-talk Subject: Re: Retro Server 5 on NT 4 Full instructions for doing an Emergency Restore start on page 114 of the Retrospect for Windows User's Guide. You may also select "Prepare for Emergency Restore" from the Window menu in Retrospect; this will list what you will need to restore and allow you to print full Emergency Restore instructions. Searching for "Windows Restore" in our knowledgebase now also returns these instructions, as well as several platform-specific notes. Regards, Irena Solomon Dantz Technical Support 925.253.3050 Try our Searchable Knowledgebase at: http://partners.dantz.com:591/faq/ These are the kind of tips I would hope to see on the Dantz website, too. Providing a backup solution should be more than just providing the software and the hardware. Demonstrating effective recovery options for a variety of situations and platforms on the website will only add value to the software for the user. Thanks for your response, Malcolm. I will be updating our recovery procedures to reflect your suggestions. Hi Scott, on 30/1/01 2:18 AM, Scott Dunn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. I never thought of that. Temporary directories sound like they will save my butt. Brilliant response! Would I use temp directories with win95/98? Absolutely! When faced with this situation with normal user PCs running Win9x I just format the disk, do a minimum OS install and then the Retrospect Client ... all in a temp directory. Reboot, add the client to the server and restore over the network. In preparation for this situation I setup one Win9x machine the way I want it then do a full backup. I can then use this backup to configure new machines or fix broken ones. Other people ghost one disk onto another or even a CD-R, but I find using Retrospect over the network more convenient. In an office which has several hardware configurations it tends to be simpler with Retrospect to just do a full backup BEFORE letting users use the machine so the "as supplied" configuration can be re-applied when necessary. Cheers, Malcolm -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
RE: Retro Server 5 on NT 4
Wow. I never thought of that. Temporary directories sound like they will save my butt. Brilliant response! Would I use temp directories with win95/98? ___ Scott Dunn Systems Engineer South Shore Building Services www.southshoreinc.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Malcolm McLeary Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 10:40 PM To: retro-talk Subject: Re: Retro Server 5 on NT 4 Hi Scott, on 27/1/01 10:35 AM, Scott Dunn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please forgive my ignorance, but I have to ask the following question: Your hard drive fails. You want to pop in a new drive and restore the system to the original condition. What do you do? 1. On the new disk Install Windows NT into a temporary directory (e.g. wintemp). 2. Since this thread was about the Backup Server, install Retrospect into a temporary directory. 3. Rebuild the catalog of the most recent backup of the Backup Server. 4. Restore from the Backup Server backup (i.e. from local backup device). 5. Reboot. 6. Delete the temporary directories. The Backup Server should now be as it was at the time of the last "self" backup. On a Mac this so much easier as you can always boot from the Retrospect CD (or an external hard disk, or zip or jaz, etc, etc) and omit steps 1 and 2 above ... this is not so easy with Windows platforms as there are so many system configuration variables which make it basically impossible for Dantz to ship a bootable restore CD for Windows. However I heard somewhere that Dantz are working on a solution which will allow a bootable restore CD to be created by Retrospect for the specific system. Cheers, Malcolm -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Information Alchemy Pty Ltd ACN 089 239 305 Canberra, Australia Malcolm McLearyMobile: 0412 636 086 Managing Director Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message was sent using Outlook Express 5.0 for Macintosh. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Retro Server 5 on NT 4
Hi Scott, on 30/1/01 2:18 AM, Scott Dunn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. I never thought of that. Temporary directories sound like they will save my butt. Brilliant response! Would I use temp directories with win95/98? Absolutely! When faced with this situation with normal user PCs running Win9x I just format the disk, do a minimum OS install and then the Retrospect Client ... all in a temp directory. Reboot, add the client to the server and restore over the network. In preparation for this situation I setup one Win9x machine the way I want it then do a full backup. I can then use this backup to configure new machines or fix broken ones. Other people ghost one disk onto another or even a CD-R, but I find using Retrospect over the network more convenient. In an office which has several hardware configurations it tends to be simpler with Retrospect to just do a full backup BEFORE letting users use the machine so the "as supplied" configuration can be re-applied when necessary. Cheers, Malcolm -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Information Alchemy Pty Ltd ACN 089 239 305 Canberra, Australia Malcolm McLearyMobile: 0412 636 086 Managing Director Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message was sent using Outlook Express 5.0 for Macintosh. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Retro Server 5 on NT 4
A quick thanks to those who replied with your information and suggestions. I appreciate it. The rebuild of the server went smoothly and Retro was a breeze as I thought it would be. The only problem was a hard drive h/w issue which I resolved by replacing it with a spare. Thanks again maz -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
RE: Retro Server 5 on NT 4
Please forgive my ignorance, but I have to ask the following question: Your hard drive fails. You want to pop in a new drive and restore the system to the original condition. What do you do? ___ Scott Dunn Systems Engineer South Shore Building Services www.southshoreinc.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Irena Solomon Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 9:17 AM To: retro-talk Subject: Re: Retro Server 5 on NT 4 If you already have an active system on that machine, you can't do a *complete* restore, as Retrospect won't write over the active system file. You could restore your entire Program Files folder though, which would restore the Retrospect program and preferences. You'd then not only have to rebuild catalogs but recreate all your scripts and log in any clients as well. Best Regards, Irena Solomon Dantz Tech Support I know that this sounds like the long way, but isn't it possible to start from ground zero? I mean that if I start with a clean install of NT 4.0, then install Retrospect, then have Retrospect rebuild a catalog of the tape, from there I could do a complete restore of the Server, right? -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
RE: Retro Server 5 on NT 4
What operating system? On the Mac, you can boot from the Retrospect CD, I believe. I usually take that opportunity to do a clean install though. On the Mac, I'll do a clean install of the current OS and then restore all the files into a sub-folder and then move them out as needed. All of the Windows machines that I manage have a ZIP drive and can boot from it, so I've created a Boot ZIP disk for each machine that also has the Retrospect Client software installed. Please forgive my ignorance, but I have to ask the following question: Your hard drive fails. You want to pop in a new drive and restore the system to the original condition. What do you do? -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Retro Server 5 on NT 4
Hi Scott, on 27/1/01 10:35 AM, Scott Dunn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please forgive my ignorance, but I have to ask the following question: Your hard drive fails. You want to pop in a new drive and restore the system to the original condition. What do you do? 1. On the new disk Install Windows NT into a temporary directory (e.g. wintemp). 2. Since this thread was about the Backup Server, install Retrospect into a temporary directory. 3. Rebuild the catalog of the most recent backup of the Backup Server. 4. Restore from the Backup Server backup (i.e. from local backup device). 5. Reboot. 6. Delete the temporary directories. The Backup Server should now be as it was at the time of the last "self" backup. On a Mac this so much easier as you can always boot from the Retrospect CD (or an external hard disk, or zip or jaz, etc, etc) and omit steps 1 and 2 above ... this is not so easy with Windows platforms as there are so many system configuration variables which make it basically impossible for Dantz to ship a bootable restore CD for Windows. However I heard somewhere that Dantz are working on a solution which will allow a bootable restore CD to be created by Retrospect for the specific system. Cheers, Malcolm -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Information Alchemy Pty Ltd ACN 089 239 305 Canberra, Australia Malcolm McLearyMobile: 0412 636 086 Managing Director Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message was sent using Outlook Express 5.0 for Macintosh. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Retro Server 5 on NT 4
Hi Mary Ann, on 25/1/01 12:47 PM, Mary Ann Zhang at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to reinstall NT4 server on a backup server and then reinstall Retrospect Server v5. I have some concerns about the existing retro config and scripts being retained and the 100 or so clients still being able to access the new install. If I backup the existing Dantz directory and the catelog directory and then restore these after retro has been reinstalled will all be (ie: retro scripts and backups) as it now?. Has anyone on this list have experience with this? If so do you have any tips and traps you know of. Given my lack of experience with this process any help would be greatly appreciated. I have had to do this a couple of times (with WinNT Workstation not Server) and all I did was backup the Dantz directory and catalog directory before reaching for the OS Restore CD and rebuilding the machine. After reinstalling Retrospect I just replaced the Dantz directory and catalog directory with the copies I saved. It worked for me. Play it safe ... do a full backup of the backup machine (and a safety) before embarking on this exercise. If you have a full backup all will go well ... bad things usually happen when you don't have a backup. Cheers, Malcolm -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Information Alchemy Pty Ltd ACN 089 239 305 Canberra, Australia Malcolm McLearyMobile: 0412 636 086 Managing Director Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message was sent using Outlook Express 5.0 for Macintosh. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Retro Server 5 on NT 4
I know on macs that rebuilding a catalog from scratch is a long process for one tape. Much less more than one. I know that this sounds like the long way, but isn't it possible to start from ground zero? I mean that if I start with a clean install of NT 4.0, then install Retrospect, then have Retrospect rebuild a catalog of the tape, from there I could do a complete restore of the Server, right? -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Search: http://www.mail-archive.com/retro-talk%40latchkey.com/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: retro-talk #819 - 01/23/01
Hello Julia, Two suggestions for you depending on whether you want to go with Firewire or SCSI. * For a Firewiire solution, take a look at the new VXA-1 Firewire drive. The only drawback is that you'll still have to switch tapes manually. * For a higher capacity automated SCSI solution which will leave you a lot of room for growth, check out the VXA autoPAK, which is a 15-slot autoloader/library available with either one or two drives. It gives you 495 GB of uncompressed capacity. It's one of the best values you'll find for an autoloader or library in this range. Both of these are compatible with Retrospect. You'll find more details at www.vxa.com -- Frank Saab [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ecrix Subject: Purchasing a new system From: "Julia Frizzell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:24:25 -0500 Hello folks! We recently got our funding for another 5 years from the federal government, and including in our first year budgeting is the money for a new backup system. I'm not planning on leaving Retrospect behind, so all I really need help with is a new tape drive system. Currently, we are using one DDS-3 tape drive for our entire local base of about 70 users. About 65 of those are Mac users, and about 5 are Windows NT boxen. We also have 7 Mac machines that are various servers, and 3 NT servers. For the users, we only back up their bookmarks.html file and their Documents folder (using ASR we can restore a desktop in little time, so there's no real need to backup the entire hard drive), and *currently* we only back up the My Documents folder for the NT user boxen, and specific directories for our servers. The desktops are backed up to tape nightly, with the laptops being backed up to tape during the day by a backup server. The servers are backed up weekly to hard drive (only exception being our Staff volume getting backed up nightly). The main reason for the latter is that we don't have anyone to do a tape switch after the Friday backup, I think (this system was in place before I got here). We change the nightly tapes daily, with incrementals M-Th, and a recycle backup on Friday. I alternate tapes weekly, with an A set and a B set. What I would like to do: The backup server system mentioned by Craig last week sounds like it would work great for me. I want to back up the servers nightly as well, which will increase the space each set takes up. I am also interested in doing a remote backup of our NYC office. They have static IPs, and could possibly be added to our backup sets. They have laptops and desktops, and I'm just not sure if I want to go that route, but it's a possibility. But on the other hand, if we do get a new tape drive, we could send them our old one and they could use that to backup. So, should I keep the same tape system (DDS-3) and get a new drive (auto-loader), get an additional drive (poor man's auto-loader), or go with something new? I have the archive of this list from last year, when someone went through and priced the different drives...ah, found it! [see below] DDS-3 was second to Ecrix (oh, it's pronounced ah-kree! Just noticed that on their web page. I'll have to stop calling it eh-cricks :). Oh, Retrospect is running on a Mac vanilla G3. It *could* possibly be run on a MP G4, with a SCSI card or maybe Firewire/USB if that was the way to go. Advice would be appreciated. At 1:36 AM -0700 8/3/00, Larry Acosta Wong wrote: [only part of message enclosed] > Tran #Tapes Total True >Model (GB) Rate Price Media Req'd Price $/GB >--- >VXA-1 33 3MB/s $539 $67 12 $1,343 $3.39 >DDS-3 12 1MB/s $777 $16 27 $1,209 $3.73 >DDS-2 4 .51MB/s $606 $7 75 $1,131 $3.77 >SC30 15 2MB/s $438 $41 21 $1,299 $4.12 >ADR50 25 2MB/s $697 $46 12 $1,249 $4.16 >VXA-1 33 3MB/s $939 $67 12 $1,743 $4.40 >Eliant 820 7 1MB/s $1,160 $8 45 $1,520 $4.83 >DDS-4 20 3MB/s $1,072 $33 15 $1,567 $5.22 >Mammoth-LT 14 2MB/s $1,193 $35 24 $2,033 $6.05 >DLT 4000 20 1.5MB/s $1,352 $64 15 $2,312 $7.71 >Sony AIT-1 35 3MB/s $1,913 $88 9 $2,705 $8.59 >Mammoth 20 3MB/s $2,126 $56 15 $2,966 $9.89 >Exabyte M2 60 12MB/s $3,777 $80 6 $4,257 $11.83 >DLT 8000 40 6MB/s $3,915 $64 9 $4,491 $12.48 >Sony AIT-2 50 6MB/s $3,289 $94 6 $3,853 $12.84 > >For this comparison, I've included the VXA-1 at the promotional >price since it's been extended through Aug and is available to >everyone. The total cost of DDS-3 is actually $134 cheaper than the >VXA-1 but the cost/GB is higher, it requires 27 tapes total (9 tapes >per storage set) and its transfer rate is considerably slower. > >So, it's probably fairly obvious that I went with the VXA-1 drive. >The promo price was so good that I bought two. This gives me a >pseudo-autoloader and also gives me redundancy in case one drive >fails. Am I concerned about the new-ness of the drive? Of course. >I'd prefer that there were multiple manufacturers and multiple media >sources. But, with the way hard drive capacity/usage is increasing, >I'll likely be in the
Re: Retro. Express 4.3 Update - Amended
Hello, I realize that my last post is a little unclear (thanks, Mark!). The document on the website is not specific to Retrospect Express and in part references changes that apply to the Desktop and Workgroup editions only. For instance, Retrospect Express does not support backup to tape, although this note implies that support for tape and tape libraries has been added with 4.3. While we don't have a document specific to Retrospect Express 4.3, the press release is clearer in distinguishing Retrospect Express features from Desktop or Workgroup features. Hope that helps clarify. Thanks, Irena --- The best resource for you is a Tech Note on our website that details the differences between 4.1 and 4.3. The major changes we've made in Express 4.3 include a bootable CD for disaster recovery, increased device support, support for backing up to external hard drives and online HTML help. Check out the note at: http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=technotes It's the top note in the Mac section. I'm running Retro. Express 4.1with Mac OS 8.6 and I'm happy with it. What new features and advantages would V4.3 give me? -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: retro-talk #741 - 10/25/00
Irena, I've had good ideas and response from Ecrix, and we are working on the problem. I think that we'll work it out, one way or another. I have the utmost respect for Retrospect (dozens of my clients use it flawlessly (with many different backup mediums), and I believe that Ecrix is trying its best to bring new technology and products into the tape drive arena to provide good affordable solutions for small to mid-size business LANS. I do think though, that with the VXA promotions, and the newness of the drives, that some of us are doing a bit of beta testing for them (and they have been very responsive in tech support). I hope that we can work all the bugs out, because after looking at many different technologies for backups, initial cost, media cost, techno improvements, etc. I still think that Ecrix has a hot product. It just needs to be tested out in a bunch of different environments, of which I'll admit that mine is a bit unique. And then tweaked for perfection. Thanks, Jim Coefield, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Retro Mac And VXA Drive From: "Irena Solomon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:54:38 -0700 Hi Jim, I put these notes in to remind folks that an error 206 with a VXA drive can be caused by factors other than the issue reported on MacIntouch. Ruling out these other factors in your situation pinpoints the problem, thus contacting Ecrix makes sense. I just don't want users to be waiting for information from Ecrix if the problem they are experiencing is not specific to the Ecrix hardware. Thanks, Irena -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Retro Mac And VXA Drive
Well, I guess Friday afternoon was a bad time to ask this question--didn't get any response, so i guess I'll try again this tuesday morning. Or maybe its just time to RMA the drive... Thanks, Jim Subject: Retro Mac And VXA Drive From: "Jim Coefield" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:50:00 -0600 Could we get an update from Dantz and Ecrix on the VXA/Retro Mac issue, as reported by MacIntouch, 10-20-00 (see below)? The post on MacIntouch goes a long way to explaining some of the problems I've been seeing with my VXA drive. If not for having just finishing rebuilding my LAN and upgrading my net connection, and installing new servers, routers and switches, I was going to dive into troubleshooting the problems I've been having. Maybe all I have to do is wait for the firmware update? I've not only got many 206's, but errors 102 (trouble communicating), 203 (hardware failure), error 205 (lost access to storage medium), error 100 (device rejected command). In addition, after these errors, the drive will not continue to use the current tape, and always wants a new one (whether 4 gigs or 40 gigs were written to it)--leading me to believe the the end of write markers were never properly written, which could leave the tape in an unusable condition. Also, the drive can take up to several hours to eject a tape after one of these errors--following Ecrix's advice to eject a tape: power down the drive, disconnect it from the backup Mac server, turn it on and hit the eject button many times quickly in a row. Makes for a very tedious process of continually regenerating backup sets. I've been using a BW G3/300 with a Miles Initio Blue Note scsi card and OS 9.0.4 with Retro 4.3. Using the VXA tool to maximize capacity over speed seemed to exacerbate the situation. Thanks, Jim Coefield [EMAIL PROTECTED] From MacIntouch: "Just got off the phone with Ecrix tech support. I had just set up my new VXA-1, and was getting a lot of type 206 (bad media) errors from Retrospect. "According to Kelly at Ecrix, this results from what is apparently a timing issue between Mac Retrospect and the Ecrix drive, and is not necessarily a media problem. Kelly says that Dantz and Ecrix have tracked the problem down, and Ecrix expects to release a firmware update to solve the problem within the next week or so." -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Retro Mac And VXA Drive
Hi Jim, As always, if you have any immediate concerns, please contact Dantz directly for the quickest response. Dantz has no further information on this; Ecrix will always have the latest information. If you are seeing these symptoms and have gone through all the SCSI troubleshooting I've detailed below, contact your vendor to see if they have any further suggestions. If you have any questions on device troubleshooting, please give Technical Support a call. Thanks, Irena Solomon Dantz Development Corporation 925.253.3050 [EMAIL PROTECTED] SCSI troubleshooting: Clean heads Isolate device Change media Change brand of media Change cable Change terminator Update/Reinstall SCSI adapter drivers Update/Reinstall SCSI adapter firmware Remove all other backup software Try the device on another computer From: Jim Coefield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "retro-talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:11:05 -0600 To: "retro-talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Retro Mac And VXA Drive Well, I guess Friday afternoon was a bad time to ask this question--didn't get any response, so i guess I'll try again this tuesday morning. Or maybe its just time to RMA the drive... Thanks, Jim Subject: Retro Mac And VXA Drive From: "Jim Coefield" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:50:00 -0600 Could we get an update from Dantz and Ecrix on the VXA/Retro Mac issue, as reported by MacIntouch, 10-20-00 (see below)? The post on MacIntouch goes a long way to explaining some of the problems I've been seeing with my VXA drive. If not for having just finishing rebuilding my LAN and upgrading my net connection, and installing new servers, routers and switches, I was going to dive into troubleshooting the problems I've been having. Maybe all I have to do is wait for the firmware update? I've not only got many 206's, but errors 102 (trouble communicating), 203 (hardware failure), error 205 (lost access to storage medium), error 100 (device rejected command). In addition, after these errors, the drive will not continue to use the current tape, and always wants a new one (whether 4 gigs or 40 gigs were written to it)--leading me to believe the the end of write markers were never properly written, which could leave the tape in an unusable condition. Also, the drive can take up to several hours to eject a tape after one of these errors--following Ecrix's advice to eject a tape: power down the drive, disconnect it from the backup Mac server, turn it on and hit the eject button many times quickly in a row. Makes for a very tedious process of continually regenerating backup sets. I've been using a BW G3/300 with a Miles Initio Blue Note scsi card and OS 9.0.4 with Retro 4.3. Using the VXA tool to maximize capacity over speed seemed to exacerbate the situation. Thanks, Jim Coefield -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Retro Mac And VXA Drive
While these are excellent steps, the order can vary depending on circumstances and resources. New installation, for example, try device on another computer would be up higher in the steps for me because I do have access to many computers that I use for testing and it would be quick and easy to test. SCSI troubleshooting: Clean heads Isolate device Change media Change brand of media Change cable Change terminator Update/Reinstall SCSI adapter drivers Update/Reinstall SCSI adapter firmware Remove all other backup software Try the device on another computer -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Retro Speed
I apologize for reopening a dead thread on the list, but I just wanted to share. Running Retrospect 4.2 on a Quadra 950 with 40 MB RAM over built-in ethernet to our ASIP server, I get 13-16 MB/min. Having moved Retrospect and the tape drive over to the server* (after addressing stability concerns) and upgrading to 4.3, I get 25-40 MB/min. *PowerMac 9500/132 Using Seagate Travan tape drive (using byte-by-byte confirmation for safety) Tape drive connected to external built-in SCSI interface Initio Miles 40 MB/sec SCSI card 7200 RPM Atlas III drives Michael Scheurer wrote: on 17/8/2000 4:27 AM, Matt Barkdull wrote: Using the built in 10BaseT- 62MB/min Using an Asante 10/100 at 100 - 112MB/min. I wish I could get anywhere near this, mine tops out of about 40Mb/min even an a G4, mind you it's only a 2606 SCSI card with DDS3 drives, even with built-in SCSI on a 7300 I don't get above 40. :( In theory I should be getting 60Mb/min coming from our old NT server as I can get 1Mb/sec copying from it. -- Eric Zylstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: retro-talk #697 - 08/29/00
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:20:04 Brian D. Caskey wrote: I am backing up 30 clients, all Macs, and am encountering the following message (using Retrospect 4.3), when the first tape fills and I try to add the second one: 'The tape cannot be added to this backup set, it is too different from the other media in the set.' Both cartridges are identical Maxell DLTape IV's, with a 40/80 GB capacity (they seem to be filling with around 45GB of data). Trying to add a fresh cartridge, right out of the box, does not have any effect on the problem. I encountered a similar problem recently using an ADIC DS9400D DLT drive. The problem I realised was to do with the hardware compression settings having being accidentally altered on the drive, between tapes. Regards Andrew Fisher System Supervisor Bezier Creative Print -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Retro Speed
1999, Power Mac G3/300 (blue), AIT, shared 10Base-T ethernet, 59.2 MB/min. backing up an iMac, 229 MB/min. backing up the server 2000, Power Mac G3/300, AIT, switched 10/100 ethernet, 347.6 MB/min best throughput, 207 MB/min. backing up the server Dan Knight, information systems manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dan, what SCSI card do you have for those? Adaptec 2930CU. I also think AIT runs faster than DLT and that our second AIT drive runs faster than our first. Dan Knight, information systems manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baker Book House Company http://www.bakerbooks.com 6030 East Fulton 616-676-9185 x146 Ada, Michigan 49301 fax 616-676-9573 - Macintosh: Love bug resistant, always Y2K ready -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Retro client on an ASIP server
We're looking into getting an AppleShare IP server for filesharing and it has brought to my attention that an ASIP server cannot be used as a Retrospect client! Well, somebody must have forgotten to tell my server about it, 'cuz it works great as a Retrospect client. Now, I wouldn't recommend using an ASIP server as a Retrospect *server* for performance reasons, but some people are even doing that successfully. Funny thing is, Apple used to sell servers, such as our Workgroup Server 80, with a DAT drive and Retrospect. We use QuicKeys on our ASIP and FileMaker servers to shut down ASIP and FMPro Server, respectively, at about 1:00 a.m. in anticipation of backup. I relaunch FMPro Server first thing in the morning (6:30 or so) and usually run Norton on one or two partitions of our file server before restarting it at about 7:00 a.m. By shutting down these programs, we don't have to worry about live databases and other files not getting backed up. (I also have QuicKeys set to relaunch ASIP and FMPro Server at about 7:30 a.m. should something come up and I'm not able to do so manually.) Dan Knight, information systems manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baker Book House Company http://www.bakerbooks.com 6030 East Fulton 616-676-9185 x146 Ada, Michigan 49301 fax 616-676-9573 - Macintosh: Love bug resistant, always Y2K ready -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Retro client on an ASIP server
on 8/17/2000 6:35 AM, Daniel Knight at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By shutting down these programs, we don't have to worry about live databases and other files not getting backed up. (I also have QuicKeys set to relaunch ASIP and FMPro Server at about 7:30 a.m. should something come up and I'm not able to do so manually.) Yeah, except our ASIP server is our main webserver, email server, and fileserver, and it hits our database server using Tango for live info from the database. It all has to be up 24x7. Jon L. Gardner '89, Computer Systems Manager mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Texas AM University Dept. of Food Services http://food.tamu.edu/ Tel 979.458.1839 * Fax 979.845.2157 * Hip 979.229.4323 PGP public key available at http://food.tamu.edu/pgp/jon.html -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Retro Speed
I keep all my information in databases. It's kinda fun looking back like this. 1995, Workgroup Server 80 (Quadra 800), DAT, shared 10Base-T ethernet, best throughput 13.9 MB/min. (14.0 MB/min. backing up the server itself) 1996, Power Mac 6100/66, DAT, shared 10Base-T ethernet, 18.8 MB/min. (36.7 MB/min. backing up the server itself) 1998, Power Mac 6100/66, DAT 2, shared 10Base-T ethernet, 38.5 MB/min. backing up PCI Power Macs. 62.5 MB/min. backing up the server 1999, Power Mac G3/300 (blue), AIT, shared 10Base-T ethernet, 59.2 MB/min. backing up an iMac, 229 MB/min. backing up the server 2000, Power Mac G3/300, AIT, switched 10/100 ethernet, 347.6 MB/min best throughput, 207 MB/min. backing up the server Dan Knight, information systems manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baker Book House Company http://www.bakerbooks.com 6030 East Fulton 616-676-9185 x146 Ada, Michigan 49301 fax 616-676-9573 - Macintosh: Love bug resistant, always Y2K ready -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Retro Speed
Back up rates differ using: G4/ 400, DDS-4, shared 10Base-T Ethernet. 80 MB/min on first volume, 187 MB/min on second volume, and 93 MB/ min on third. All three volumes on server. What would cause the difference in the speed? -- From: Matt Barkdull [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "retro-talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Retro Speed Date: Wed, Aug 16, 2000, 3:08 PM 1999, Power Mac G3/300 (blue), AIT, shared 10Base-T ethernet, 59.2 MB/min. backing up an iMac, 229 MB/min. backing up the server 2000, Power Mac G3/300, AIT, switched 10/100 ethernet, 347.6 MB/min best throughput, 207 MB/min. backing up the server Dan Knight, information systems manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dan, what SCSI card do you have for those? I thought I was doing well when my local Mac backed up to DLT at 150MB/min! I'm currently using an Adaptec 2940 card. I've never seen anything above 200MB/min around here. Would like to hear what others are getting as well. Thanks! -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Retro Speed
on 8/16/2000 3:06 PM, Matt Barkdull at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back up rates differ using: G4/ 400, DDS-4, shared 10Base-T Ethernet. 80 MB/min on first volume, 187 MB/min on second volume, and 93 MB/ min on third. All three volumes on server. What would cause the difference in the speed? 80 to 93 is not much, but the 187 would almost indicate that you have a fast hard drive. Are they three separate disk? If so, are they connected to SCSI card? Since the tape drive is most likely SCSI, I would guess that the drive that got 187MB/min is also SCSI and on the same card. That would account for the speed difference. Actually, the 187Mb/min drive would be on a different controller than the tape drive, and the lower speeds would be on the same controller. If the boot drive is an IDE drive and you only have one SCSI card, then the 187Mb/min is probably the boot drive. Am I right? Jon L. Gardner '89, Computer Systems Manager mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Texas AM University Dept. of Food Services http://food.tamu.edu/ Tel 979.458.1839 * Fax 979.845.2157 * Hip 979.229.4323 PGP public key available at http://food.tamu.edu/pgp/jon.html -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Retro client on an ASIP server
on 8/16/2000 2:01 PM, jakob krabbe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're looking into getting an AppleShare IP server for filesharing and it has brought to my attention that an ASIP server cannot be used as a Retrospect client! Is that true and if so, how have you guys solved that problem? Well, somebody must have forgotten to tell my server about it, 'cuz it works great as a Retrospect client. Now, I wouldn't recommend using an ASIP server as a Retrospect *server* for performance reasons, but some people are even doing that successfully. Jon L. Gardner '89, Computer Systems Manager mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Texas AM University Dept. of Food Services http://food.tamu.edu/ Tel 979.458.1839 * Fax 979.845.2157 * Hip 979.229.4323 PGP public key available at http://food.tamu.edu/pgp/jon.html -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: retro-talk #660 - 07/18/00
On Wed, Jul 19, 2000, 4:00:04 am retro-talk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: retro-talk #660 - Tuesday, July 18, 2000 Dantz Website / Update? I did not receive an announcement of this update. I heard about it from TidBits. Did Dantz make an announcement to users? Graham Mitchell Total Coverage Limited the co-operative design consultancy T: 023 8067 8330 F: 023 8067 8340 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.totalcoverage.co.uk -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: retro-talk #635 - 06/19/00
Luke: Here are two scenarios, I hope one of them meets your needs. Method 1 - automated 1. Back up what's there now (twice :-) to create a new snapshot. 2. Restore the old snapshot using the "Replace Corresponding files" destination setting. (This overwrites new file versions, but doesn't delete new files.) 3. Restore the new snapshot using the "Replace Corresponding files" destination setting. (This restores the new file versions that were overwritten by the previous restore.) Method 2 - manually 1. Preview the restore of the old version using the Replace Corresponding destination setting. Leave the Files Chosen window open with all files marked (checked). 2. Go to ConfigureVolumes and browse the destination. Select All and Copy. 3. Switch to the restore's Files Chosen browser. Paste. All corresponding files will be highlighted. Unmark. 4. Restore. None of the existing files will be overwritten because you're not restoring any of them. Extra credit - automate method 2 using a Saved Highlights selector. (Very scary, try it on a test case first!!! :-) I agree that neither of these is quite as friendly as an setting that says "don't overwrite older files". If neither of the above works for you, let's get in touch and hash it out, then I'll let you report to the list. Best Regards, Paul Mackinney Dantz Development Corporation 925.253.3098 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm in the midst of a big workstation rollout and I'm using Retrospect to move data between computers. Here's the scenario -- Users moving from a G3 running 8.6 to a G4 running 9.0.4. I back up each G3 to its own backup file on an external HD. I have a standard profile of system folder standard apps, etc, that I've pre-installed onto every G4, using Apple Software Restore and a custom .img file I created. I want to back up the G3's and restore the files onto the G4's, but I don't want to overwrite newer items with older items. (especially things like "Finder" and "System"). Is there a way I can prevent Retro overwriting corresponding items that have a newer mod date? -- top of the world, Luke Jaeger, Technology Coordinator Disney Magazine Publishing Northampton, Massachusetts [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: retro-talk #612 - 05/24/00
Hello Todd, I sent your question to my tech support engineers at Ecrix. Here is some information that might help. Frank, We have tested both VXA-1 drives, single ended narrow and LVD. With the Mac G3 you have to run the VXA-1 LVD on an LVD SCSI controller. The VXA-1 LVD will not work on a single ended narrow SCSI controller in a Mac system. We did see a faster throughput with the LVD controller card and the VXA-1 LVD, about 50 to 100 Meg/Minute faster. This was using an AdvanSys ASB3940U2W for the LVD vs. an Adaptec Power Domain 2930. We were doing local backups. Connected to a network the backups will be slower, even on a 100 Mbps network. The LVD should run faster then the single ended VXA-1 but it still depends on how fast the network can send data to the tape drive. Bob Z Subject: ultra SCSI and Fast ethernet From: "Todd Reed" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:00:25 -0700 Hi all, I'm helping a client upgrade their backup system. They currently have an 8100 Macintosh and a DDS-1 drive. They are only backing up 5 systems out of the 15-20 on the network due to the drive's capacity and lack of administrator to monitor the setup. What I'm proposing is to get a VXA drive and put it on a B/W G3 in the office. I'm wondering whether getting the 68-pin model and an Ultra-SCSI 2 card would make a vast amount of difference in the backup speeds. They have a 10/100 switch, so the G3 would be lots faster than the 8100. I'm not sure though that the fast ethernet would deliver enough bandwidth to justify the use of the ultra scsi 2. Can someone give me some figures as to what to expect using SCSI 2 over a 100 Mbps network versus ultra scsi 2? Thanks for any help. Todd Reed Just my two cents worth... Your mileage may vary Noah M. Eiger Manager of Information Systems Mother Jones Magazine / Foundation for National Progress [EMAIL PROTECTED] 415-665-6637 x.204 http://www.motherjones.com -- Subject: Error -1028 From: "Adam Gerstein" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:24:56 -0400 According to the FAQ, this error is that the server can't connect to the client. I wait for the server to back up my laptop, and nothing happens. I can either Timbuktu to the server and re-run the script okay, or I can go to the server and get the client info (for example, available volumes) and then re-run the script with no problems. Any one have any ideas what's going on? adam -+--+- Adam Gerstein O- | | AuctionComic.com - the ComputerBoy! Consulting Design | http:// | only site for all your [EMAIL PROTECTED] | snickersnot | your comic book needs! http://www.computerboy.com | .com | http://www.auctioncomic.com -+--+- HTML coding|CGI scripting|Site development|Graphic Design|Web Whacking -+--+- -- End of retro-talk -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Frank Saab, Ph.D., M.B.A. + [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet Business Manager + Ecrix Corporation www.ecrix.com + www.VXAtape.com + montana.boulder.ecrix.com 5525 Central Avenue + Boulder, Colorado 80301 + USA tel: 303/245.7275 + pcs: 303/641.7444 + fax: 303/402.9266 wireless e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (150 characters max) -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Retro G4 with ASIP 6.3
If you're using DDS-3, it doesn't matter whether you back up the server via ethernet or via local scsi, because the tape unit itself is the bottleneck. (Even with the much faster DLT I've found the difference to be negligible). That being the case, I would put retro on its own box. It makes it much easier to deal with certain situations such as emergency workstation restores, and you don't have to worry about slowing the server down. Dan Willson wrote: I'm seeking advice from other server wranglers before I set up my new digs. We just bought a G4 Mac (500 MHz, 256 MB of RAM, two Ultra2LVD 18 GB hdds on dual-channel card, plus optional Ultra SCSI card, AppleShareIP 6.3.1) for file services, with the possibility of doing other things in the future. The question is this: In all of the majority of the posts I've read at other lists, folks are saying to run Retrospect from it's own box, which makes perfect sense (distributing services and the like). But others report having no problems running it on the same box. And to make things more interesting, there's a post on Dantz's site about a patch from Apple that should do the trick and make them play nice. I have a 9500/200 that I resurrected from a bunch of spare parts that I could use as a dedicated backup box (which would allow me to move our fax software from our FileMaker Intranet 7300/180 to that and free up more room for FileMaker) ... but it'll be backing up about 10+ gigs every night over our 10BaseT network. So ... do I run ASIP and Retro on the same box for faster transfers through the Ultra SCSI card to the DDS-3 unit, or do I give it twice as long to run so it can backup over the network (giving my ASIP box room to "breathe")? If there are variables that I haven't thought of yet, but might find out about the first few times out of the gate. Thanks! Dan Willson Publications Specialist University of Alabama at Birmingham UAB Publications and Periodicals [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- top of the world, Luke Jaeger, Technology Coordinator Disney Magazine Publishing Northampton, Massachusetts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any opinions expressed in this message are my own and may not represent the opinions of Disney Publishing, etc etc etc. * -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: retro-talk #540 - 02/27/00
Hi! Thank you for your message. Please note that I am currently on Maternity Leave and cannot respond to your message. In my absence, you can contact Caroline Cho via phone or e-mail for assistance. Her e-mail address and direct phone number are listed below. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 925.253.3038 Regards, Sonia Sonia Santana Ford Corporate Sales Representative Dantz Development Corp E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 925.253.3044 Fax: 925.253.9099 -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: retro for a small windows set-up
Hi,
For such a small backup, I think DAT might be a bit expensive. Just my
$0.02. Also, I think that zip disks would be more reliable, but who knows -
luckily(?) retrospect is very good at error checking, so you only need to worry
about media failure after backup. For 600MB, why not look at a JAZ drive
or an ORB drive? They are much cheaper than DAT, and backups would be
much faster. Unless they plan on archiving a lot of backups in a file
cabinet, a removable drive is a good way to go - but if you want to have
10 separate backup sets in a file cabinet, the cost goes up as disks are
no where near as cheap as tapes. I suggest a JAZ or ORB rather than a ZIP
to avoid frequent media swaps. I do this on 1 PC in my lab.
I'd stick to SCSI or IDE if either is an option - using parallel ports is
*way* slow. In general parallel ports cannot be daisy chained, except for
junk like dongles, and Iomega Zip drives that are specially designed to go
in between your computer and printer. I've heard some bad stories about how
well this works, so I'd personally only do it as a last resort.
For drivers, the answer is "it depends". Win 9x and NT have an assortment
of standard drivers included, but often they are missing the ones you want,
or the ones included are old or brain-dead. Usually it is a good idea to
load the drive MFRs most recent drivers; some MFRs even have drivers that
are certified by microsoft, though those are often not the most recent ones.
-Andy Cook
Pardon the naive question, but I am trying to provide a
recommendation for a small company. I'm used to Retro on the Mac and
backup a network to DLT, so I am a bit ignorant here.
The company needs a simple small non-networked backup solution (one
single PC), for the least amount of money (I know I know...). Of
course I am suggesting Retrospect, but I don't know of a suggestion
for a backup device. They wanted to just use a zip, but I am at
least recommending something more reliable than that.
For their light backup needs, I am thinking of just going with a
lowly DAT drive with a lot of redundancy. Can anyone recommend one
for a Pentium 100 with 16Meg running 98SE? Does one typically attach
such a thing to a parallel port? The machine already has 2 printers
connected to 2 physical parallel ports. Can one gang parallel ports
a la SCSI?
Although the amount to be backed up is not large (one small hard
drive, maybe 600MB), I am leaning toward DAT because the company
personnel are very technology disinclined, and something like a CDR
*will* scare them. Buying a Mac and backing up over a network is
totally out of the question ("what's a network?"). They have an
ancient tape drive that they used to run on Win3.1 before they were
forced to upgrade to 98SE. I don't think they ever have known if
they were -really- backing anything up, but they like the idea of
tape because it is familiar to them. What they have may actually be
a DAT drive (I haven't seen it yet), but they want to buy a new one.
On Windows, does one have to install a separate driver for a backup
drive from the drive's manufacturer, or does Retro alone take care
of that?
Stefan Jeglinski
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RE: retro for a small windows set-up
Are they not the cases that:
If Retrospect supports the device, Dantz has a built-in driver for it, and
no MFR driver is needed?
If Retrospect does not support the device, then no MFR driver will enable
Retrospect to use the device?
Brad.
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From: Andrew Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 1:13 PM
To: retro-talk
Subject: Re: retro for a small windows set-up
Hi,
For such a small backup, I think DAT might be a bit expensive. Just my
$0.02. Also, I think that zip disks would be more reliable, but who knows -
luckily(?) retrospect is very good at error checking, so you only need to
worry
about media failure after backup. For 600MB, why not look at a JAZ drive
or an ORB drive? They are much cheaper than DAT, and backups would be
much faster. Unless they plan on archiving a lot of backups in a file
cabinet, a removable drive is a good way to go - but if you want to have
10 separate backup sets in a file cabinet, the cost goes up as disks are
no where near as cheap as tapes. I suggest a JAZ or ORB rather than a ZIP
to avoid frequent media swaps. I do this on 1 PC in my lab.
I'd stick to SCSI or IDE if either is an option - using parallel ports is
*way* slow. In general parallel ports cannot be daisy chained, except for
junk like dongles, and Iomega Zip drives that are specially designed to go
in between your computer and printer. I've heard some bad stories about how
well this works, so I'd personally only do it as a last resort.
For drivers, the answer is "it depends". Win 9x and NT have an assortment
of standard drivers included, but often they are missing the ones you want,
or the ones included are old or brain-dead. Usually it is a good idea to
load the drive MFRs most recent drivers; some MFRs even have drivers that
are certified by microsoft, though those are often not the most recent ones.
-Andy Cook
Pardon the naive question, but I am trying to provide a
recommendation for a small company. I'm used to Retro on the Mac and
backup a network to DLT, so I am a bit ignorant here.
The company needs a simple small non-networked backup solution (one
single PC), for the least amount of money (I know I know...). Of
course I am suggesting Retrospect, but I don't know of a suggestion
for a backup device. They wanted to just use a zip, but I am at
least recommending something more reliable than that.
For their light backup needs, I am thinking of just going with a
lowly DAT drive with a lot of redundancy. Can anyone recommend one
for a Pentium 100 with 16Meg running 98SE? Does one typically attach
such a thing to a parallel port? The machine already has 2 printers
connected to 2 physical parallel ports. Can one gang parallel ports
a la SCSI?
Although the amount to be backed up is not large (one small hard
drive, maybe 600MB), I am leaning toward DAT because the company
personnel are very technology disinclined, and something like a CDR
*will* scare them. Buying a Mac and backing up over a network is
totally out of the question ("what's a network?"). They have an
ancient tape drive that they used to run on Win3.1 before they were
forced to upgrade to 98SE. I don't think they ever have known if
they were -really- backing anything up, but they like the idea of
tape because it is familiar to them. What they have may actually be
a DAT drive (I haven't seen it yet), but they want to buy a new one.
On Windows, does one have to install a separate driver for a backup
drive from the drive's manufacturer, or does Retro alone take care
of that?
Stefan Jeglinski
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Re: retro for a small windows set-up
Brad is correct. For each supported tape and CD-R device, Retrospect loads
its own drivers. If Retrospect does not contain drivers for the drive, it is
usually considered unsupported (or at least not yet supported), and no other
additional drivers will allow Retrospect backups to the device.
For removable disk drives, Retrospect relies on the drivers that are
allowing the drive to be seen by the system.
Regards,
Matthew Tevenan
Technical Support Specialist
Dantz Development Corporation
925.253.3050
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From: "Thone, Bradley A (Swbt)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:27:58 -0600
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Subject: RE: retro for a small windows set-up
Are they not the cases that:
If Retrospect supports the device, Dantz has a built-in driver for it, and
no MFR driver is needed?
If Retrospect does not support the device, then no MFR driver will enable
Retrospect to use the device?
Brad.
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From: Andrew Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 1:13 PM
To: retro-talk
Subject: Re: retro for a small windows set-up
Hi,
For such a small backup, I think DAT might be a bit expensive. Just my
$0.02. Also, I think that zip disks would be more reliable, but who knows -
luckily(?) retrospect is very good at error checking, so you only need to
worry
about media failure after backup. For 600MB, why not look at a JAZ drive
or an ORB drive? They are much cheaper than DAT, and backups would be
much faster. Unless they plan on archiving a lot of backups in a file
cabinet, a removable drive is a good way to go - but if you want to have
10 separate backup sets in a file cabinet, the cost goes up as disks are
no where near as cheap as tapes. I suggest a JAZ or ORB rather than a ZIP
to avoid frequent media swaps. I do this on 1 PC in my lab.
I'd stick to SCSI or IDE if either is an option - using parallel ports is
*way* slow. In general parallel ports cannot be daisy chained, except for
junk like dongles, and Iomega Zip drives that are specially designed to go
in between your computer and printer. I've heard some bad stories about how
well this works, so I'd personally only do it as a last resort.
For drivers, the answer is "it depends". Win 9x and NT have an assortment
of standard drivers included, but often they are missing the ones you want,
or the ones included are old or brain-dead. Usually it is a good idea to
load the drive MFRs most recent drivers; some MFRs even have drivers that
are certified by microsoft, though those are often not the most recent ones.
-Andy Cook
Pardon the naive question, but I am trying to provide a
recommendation for a small company. I'm used to Retro on the Mac and
backup a network to DLT, so I am a bit ignorant here.
The company needs a simple small non-networked backup solution (one
single PC), for the least amount of money (I know I know...). Of
course I am suggesting Retrospect, but I don't know of a suggestion
for a backup device. They wanted to just use a zip, but I am at
least recommending something more reliable than that.
For their light backup needs, I am thinking of just going with a
lowly DAT drive with a lot of redundancy. Can anyone recommend one
for a Pentium 100 with 16Meg running 98SE? Does one typically attach
such a thing to a parallel port? The machine already has 2 printers
connected to 2 physical parallel ports. Can one gang parallel ports
a la SCSI?
Although the amount to be backed up is not large (one small hard
drive, maybe 600MB), I am leaning toward DAT because the company
personnel are very technology disinclined, and something like a CDR
*will* scare them. Buying a Mac and backing up over a network is
totally out of the question ("what's a network?"). They have an
ancient tape drive that they used to run on Win3.1 before they were
forced to upgrade to 98SE. I don't think they ever have known if
they were -really- backing anything up, but they like the idea of
tape because it is familiar to them. What they have may actually be
a DAT drive (I haven't seen it yet), but they want to buy a new one.
On Windows, does one have to install a separate driver for a backup
drive from the drive's manufacturer, or does Retro alone take care
of that?
Stefan Jeglinski
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RE: Retro didn't ask for license number?
Reply to: RE: Retro didn't ask for license number? Jeffry, When you're using 4.2A clients with 4.2 Retrospect, activator codes are no longer needed. This is one of the major improvements over previous versions of Retrospect, since it means you no longer have conflicts, don't have to keep track of which client has what activator code, etc. Retrospect does this for you. I'd suggest looking on p. 80 of the Retrospect 4.2 User's Guide. This describes license manager and the new client licensing scheme. The User's Guide is a .pdf file installed with the application. Let us know if you're still having problems. Regards, Matthew Tevenan Technical Support Specialist Dantz Development Corporation 925.253.3050 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeffry C. Nichols wrote: I recently added another client to the backups. Using AppleShare I loaded the 4.2 client software onto the Macintosh. Everything loaded fine, I restarted, etc. Once back at the backup computer (BW G3, Retrospect 4.2) I checked the client list, and the recently added client showed up, but with no license number next to it. I know I had some licenses left, but I still had to put in the next number (or a free one) before. Is Retrospect just using one of the license "slots" and not reporting what number? It would be nice to know what number it is using so that I don't try and duplicate it at a later point. Thanks. Jeffry C. Nichols, PhD Instructor/Lab Coordinator Rice University Biochemistry Department Houston, Texas -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Retro 4.2A Mac question
On 12/16/1999 somewhere around the time of 14:37 -0800, Matthew Tevenan spoke about "RE: Retro 4.2A Mac question": Reply to: RE: Retro 4.2A Mac question Ryan, At this time Retrospect can only do one backup to one destination at a time. The Mac OS is not a multitasking operating system so right now that is just not possible. Windows NT is a multitasking operating system, although Retrospect for Windows does not have this capability at this time either. This is something we'd like to implement in a future release. Thanks. Too bad, on the Mac, you can't have it as separate processes within Retro. Something similar to being able to download via FTP from multiple sites at the same time within the same program. Here's to wishing. -- Ryan La Riviere Lab Services Coordinator; Drexel University 215.895.6010 ICQ: 11747071, 44292959 http://iae-tech.coe.drexel.edu/larz -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
