RE: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[Nenah Sylver]

Bill wrote: The term "NAg" (Silver Nitrate) occurs only four times in this
article, that refer to one footnote that references a 1969 article.

Everywhere else in this article -- that's over 60 places --, "NAg" stands
for "nano-silver", for which there are 92 footnotes, and most of those 92
referenced articles were published "recently".

 

===

Bill,

Thanks very much for clearing this up. That's precisely why I posted to this
list, hoping that someone who'd read the article more carefully than I did,
would correct me. I've been getting very little sleep, with a couple of
time-sensitive projects in the works, so of course I'd miss the obvious-such
as the header of this thread! So again, I'm glad you posted.

 

However, and this is interesting.I still believe that I arrived at the
correct conclusion, even though I was using the wrong premise. "Nano" is an
interesting concept, because in almost all cases, when you get to that
minuscule a particle, the substances don't behave as they do on a more
"macro" level. Mostly what you get is dangerous effects. Now, it appears
that silver is no different from the other things that have become
"nano-ized." You'd never get those effects mentioned in the article from
electrolytically isolated silver (except in rare cases of soil-based
organisms, which after a few generations are no longer resistant to silver;
but that's another topic altogether).

 

While there's always the chance that the word "nano" is being used as a
marketing ploy, in this case I don't think it's a marketing ploy-but rather,
an adulteration of beneficial EIS. Because of course the medical profession
would have to apply fancy modifications to something natural, because that's
what they like to do (plus, it gives them a way to patent the substance). 

 

Nano particles are dangerous. Anyone who's interested, can start by reading
about titanium oxide that's nano-ized. How convenient that they can now
write about nanosilver, and confuse people who might think that all silver
is the same. They did this with silver compounds.

 

At least we know the truth. I had occasion to use the silver recently on my
dog's abscess, right near her eye, and along with clay packs, it healed up
the abscess beautifully. Silver. I wouldn't be without it.

 

Best,

Nenah

 

Nenah Sylver, PhD

author, The Rife Handbook

of Frequency Therapy and Holistic Health

healing from cancer and other diseases 

with non-invasive, effective technology

suppressed by the medical cartel until recently

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Re: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[bob Larson]

did i not post this article here?now i do not find it in my "sent" folder???mike, are you here moderating?  i've never received some of the posts others are replying to...?what's going on?

RE: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[Bill Kingsbury]

The term "NAg" (Silver Nitrate) occurs only four times in this
article, that refer to one footnote that references a 1969
article.
Everywhere else in this article -- that's over 60 places --,
"NAg" stands for "nano-silver", for which there are
92 footnotes, and most of those 92 referenced articles were published
"recently".
Bill

--- At 08:49 PM 31, 2017-03-31, Nenah Sylver wrote:
>
BK
wrote: The journal article can be downloaded here - 4.6 MB PDF:

https://sci-hub.ac/downloads/bb41/10.1...@acsnano.7b01166.pdf 
 
==
Thanks for the link. Here is a short quote from the article:
[...]
 
Now, I did not read every single word of this article, but I did skim
every page. NAg (Silver Nitrate) kept appearing. From my cursory reading,
it seems that the authors are focusing completely on the silver COMPOUND
Silver Nitrate­which, as we know, is NOT electrolytically isolated
silver!!!
 
Of course medical science won’t discuss EIS because we can make it
ourselves, and there’s no profit in that. It really pays to read
carefully, and read between the lines.
 
Nenah
 
Nenah Sylver, PhD
author, The Rife Handbook
of Frequency Therapy and Holistic Health
healing from cancer and other diseases 
with non-invasive, effective technology
suppressed by the medical cartel until recently
www.nenahsylver.com 
  
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Re: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[bob Larson]

during & after megadosing for mostof a year w/ months on end of a liter/day ionic CS never bothered my gut flora that i could tell.  ata a bit of yogurt on cereal pretty regularly & a few helpngs of saurkraut (like on a Reuben) but never supp probiotics.my understanding today is that while almost all Ag is eliminated through feces it reaches the colon as inactive compounds so impact on flora is slight to none.  i'm sure there're somehow exceptions.N’Š[Þ¬¸¬¶+š‡^­«^uú+ºgè­Ø¬rë,Šx¢Yh‰Ö¥J)oz´n•ëÒ'²ÚîrبžÈm¶ŸÿÃ,Š[Þ®X¬¶ŠàR{.nÇ+‰·¦j)m¢È¥½êåŠËkz«ž²×¬’)¨r‰¬¹¸Þr

Re: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[Jason]

Hi Bob:

This individual was actually referring to BILL's post, not yours! :O)

~Jason

On 4/1/2017 2:22 PM, bob Larson wrote:

And I don't see the absurdity of its premise at all.  live in today not
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Re: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[bob Larson]

And I don't see the absurdity of its premise at all.  live in today not the past.N’Š[Þ¬¸¬¶+š‡^­«^uú+ºgè­Ø¬rë,Šx¢Yh‰Ö¥J)oz´n•ëÒ'²ÚîrبžÈm¶ŸÿÃ,Š[Þ®X¬¶ŠàR{.nÇ+‰·¦j)m¢È¥½êåŠËkz«ž²×¬’)¨r‰¬¹¸Þr

Re: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[bob Larson]

name is bob, not bill.  That's okay, my mother made the same mistake all the time for days after my Uncle Bill would come to visit. her brother that she deeply resented being strapped with to care for in childhood, and then she also deeply resented ever getting pregnant with me. but she loved me anyway. I guess.  like b.b. king said " nobody ever loved me but my mother and about her I'm not so sure"yes, a FYI.food for thought.neville, in case you haven't noticed I do make nanoparticle silver and a lot of others also do.  just not on this list which unfortunately is dwindling since the growth of Facebook. and current research on PubMed and Netscape is full of nano silver.  

Re: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[Tony Moody]

Errrm ! that was April 1. Yes?

T

On 1 Apr 2017 at 12:48, Joe wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..

Bill, just want to make sure that you are distributing this on an FYI basis 
because of the 
absurdity of the premis. True?  While I can see a concern in wiping out your 
gut flora with 
continuous use of CS when no sickness is present, I believe the other concerns 
discussed are a 
lot of whohee (sp?). 
Thanks
Joe

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Bill Kingsbury <b.b...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> from: - 
> https://www.healthcanal.com/infections/236554-rampant-use-antibacterial-nanosilver-resistance-risk.html
> 
> 
> Rampant use of antibacterial nanosilver is a resistance risk
> 
> 7:05 March 31, 2017
> 
> In summary:
> 
>   .. Silver nanoparticles are becoming ubiquitous in medical and consumer 
> items because of their antibacterial potency in small concentrations and, 
> partly, incorrect perceptions about their safety
> 
>   .. A more judicious approach and targeted surveillance are urgently needed 
> to preserve nanosilver's antimicrobial reliability
> 
> Researchers at the University of Technology Sydney warn that the 
> broad-spectrum antimicrobial effectiveness of silver is being put at risk by 
> the widespread and inappropriate expansion of nanosilver use in medical and 
> consumer goods.
> 
> As well as their use in medical items such as wound dressings and catheters, 
> silver nanoparticles are becoming ubiquitous in everyday items, including 
> toothbrushes and toothpaste, baby bottles and teats, bedding, clothing and 
> household appliances, because of their antibacterial potency and the 
> incorrect assumption that ordinary items should be kept "clean" of microbes.
> 
> Nanobiologist Dr Cindy Gunawan, from the ithree institute at UTS and lead 
> researcher on the investigation, said alarm bells should be ringing at the 
> commercialisation of nanosilver use because of a "real threat" that 
> resistance to nanosilver will develop and spread through microorganisms in 
> the human body and the environment.
> 
> Dr Gunawan and ithree institute director Professor Liz Harry, in 
> collaboration with researchers at UNSW and abroad, investigated more than 140 
> commercially available medical devices, including wound dressings and 
> tracheal and urinary catheters, and dietary supplements, which are promoted 
> as immunity boosters and consumed by throat or nasal spray.
> 
> Their perspective article in the journal ACS Nano concluded that the use of 
> nanosilver in these items could lead to prolonged exposure to bioactive 
> silver in the human body. Such exposure creates the conditions for microbial 
> resistance to develop.
> 
> The use of silver as an antimicrobial agent dates back centuries. Its ability 
> to destroy pathogens while seemingly having low toxicity on human cells has 
> seen it widely employed, in treating burns or purifying water, for example. 
> More recently, ultra-small (less than 10,000th of a millimetre) silver 
> nanoparticles have been engineered for antimicrobial purposes.  Their 
> commercial appeal lies in superior potency at lower concentrations than 
> "bulk" silver.
> 
> "Nanosilver is a proven antimicrobial agent whose reliability is being 
> jeopardised by the commercialisation of people's fear of bacteria," Dr 
> Gunawan said.
> 
> "Our use of it needs to be far more judicious, in the same way we need to 
> approach antibiotic usage. Nanosilver is a useful tool but we need to be 
> careful, use it wisely and only when the benefit outweighs the risk.
> 
> "People need to be made aware of just how widely it is used, but more 
> importantly they need to be made aware that the presence of nanosilver has 
> been shown to cause antimicrobial resistance."
> 
> What is also needed, Dr Gunawan said, is a targeted surveillance strategy to 
> monitor for any occurrence of resistance.
> 
> Professor Harry said the findings were a significant contribution to 
> addressing the global antimicrobial resistance crisis.
> 
> "This research emphasises the threat posed to our health and that of the 
> environment by the inappropriate use of nanosilver as an antibacterial, 
> particularly in ordinary household and consumer items," she said.
> 
> The article Widespread and Indiscriminate Nanosilver Use: Genuine Potential 
> for Microbial Resistance is published in the journal ACS Nano.
> 
> ( http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acsnano.7b01166 )
> 
> UTS
> 
> 
> (c) 2016 HEALTHCANAL - Medical News. All Rights Reserved.
> 
> https://www.healthcanal.com/
> 
> 
> ..
> 
> 
> --
> The Si

Re: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[Joe]

Bill, just want to make sure that you are distributing this on an FYI basis 
because of the absurdity of the premis. True?  While I can see a concern in 
wiping out your gut flora with continuous use of CS when no sickness is 
present, I believe the other concerns discussed are a lot of whohee (sp?). 
Thanks
Joe

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Bill Kingsbury  wrote:
> 
> 
> from: - 
> https://www.healthcanal.com/infections/236554-rampant-use-antibacterial-nanosilver-resistance-risk.html
> 
> 
> Rampant use of antibacterial nanosilver is a resistance risk
> 
> 7:05 March 31, 2017
> 
> In summary:
> 
>   .. Silver nanoparticles are becoming ubiquitous in medical and consumer 
> items because of their antibacterial potency in small concentrations and, 
> partly, incorrect perceptions about their safety
> 
>   .. A more judicious approach and targeted surveillance are urgently needed 
> to preserve nanosilver's antimicrobial reliability
> 
> Researchers at the University of Technology Sydney warn that the 
> broad-spectrum antimicrobial effectiveness of silver is being put at risk by 
> the widespread and inappropriate expansion of nanosilver use in medical and 
> consumer goods.
> 
> As well as their use in medical items such as wound dressings and catheters, 
> silver nanoparticles are becoming ubiquitous in everyday items, including 
> toothbrushes and toothpaste, baby bottles and teats, bedding, clothing and 
> household appliances, because of their antibacterial potency and the 
> incorrect assumption that ordinary items should be kept "clean" of microbes.
> 
> Nanobiologist Dr Cindy Gunawan, from the ithree institute at UTS and lead 
> researcher on the investigation, said alarm bells should be ringing at the 
> commercialisation of nanosilver use because of a "real threat" that 
> resistance to nanosilver will develop and spread through microorganisms in 
> the human body and the environment.
> 
> Dr Gunawan and ithree institute director Professor Liz Harry, in 
> collaboration with researchers at UNSW and abroad, investigated more than 140 
> commercially available medical devices, including wound dressings and 
> tracheal and urinary catheters, and dietary supplements, which are promoted 
> as immunity boosters and consumed by throat or nasal spray.
> 
> Their perspective article in the journal ACS Nano concluded that the use of 
> nanosilver in these items could lead to prolonged exposure to bioactive 
> silver in the human body. Such exposure creates the conditions for microbial 
> resistance to develop.
> 
> The use of silver as an antimicrobial agent dates back centuries. Its ability 
> to destroy pathogens while seemingly having low toxicity on human cells has 
> seen it widely employed, in treating burns or purifying water, for example. 
> More recently, ultra-small (less than 10,000th of a millimetre) silver 
> nanoparticles have been engineered for antimicrobial purposes.  Their 
> commercial appeal lies in superior potency at lower concentrations than 
> "bulk" silver.
> 
> "Nanosilver is a proven antimicrobial agent whose reliability is being 
> jeopardised by the commercialisation of people's fear of bacteria," Dr 
> Gunawan said.
> 
> "Our use of it needs to be far more judicious, in the same way we need to 
> approach antibiotic usage. Nanosilver is a useful tool but we need to be 
> careful, use it wisely and only when the benefit outweighs the risk.
> 
> "People need to be made aware of just how widely it is used, but more 
> importantly they need to be made aware that the presence of nanosilver has 
> been shown to cause antimicrobial resistance."
> 
> What is also needed, Dr Gunawan said, is a targeted surveillance strategy to 
> monitor for any occurrence of resistance.
> 
> Professor Harry said the findings were a significant contribution to 
> addressing the global antimicrobial resistance crisis.
> 
> "This research emphasises the threat posed to our health and that of the 
> environment by the inappropriate use of nanosilver as an antibacterial, 
> particularly in ordinary household and consumer items," she said.
> 
> The article Widespread and Indiscriminate Nanosilver Use: Genuine Potential 
> for Microbial Resistance is published in the journal ACS Nano.
> 
> ( http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acsnano.7b01166 )
> 
> UTS
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[Neville]

Severely cut here...


If you can find an article related to what we make in the home, i.e. "Ionic" 
solution, let me, or anyone/everyone else know.  I seriously doubt there will 
be a such article to be found?


All articles I have ever found only relate to that archaic and/or bastardised 
"Colloidal Silver" substance/solution.  Even our TGA don't have any such 
article relating to our solution.  Simply put, they have no knowledge of and 
are not interested in the home made product.


N.


From: Nenah Sylver <nenahsyl...@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, 1 April 2017 2:49 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."


BK wrote: The journal article can be downloaded here - 4.6 MB PDF:

https://sci-hub.ac/downloads/bb41/10.1...@acsnano.7b01166.pdf


Now, I did not read every single word of this article, but I did skim every 
page. NAg (Silver Nitrate) kept appearing. From my cursory reading, it seems 
that the authors are focusing completely on the silver COMPOUND Silver 
Nitrate—which, as we know, is NOT electrolytically isolated silver!!!



Of course medical science won’t discuss EIS because we can make it ourselves, 
and there’s no profit in that. It really pays to read carefully, and read 
between the lines.



Nenah

RE: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[Nenah Sylver]

BK wrote: The journal article can be downloaded here - 4.6 MB PDF:

https://sci-hub.ac/downloads/bb41/10.1...@acsnano.7b01166.pdf 

 

==

Thanks for the link. Here is a short quote from the article:

 

===beginning of quoted portion===

Microorganisms Can Develop Resistance to Nano-silver. Before the dramatic
increase in application of silver nanoparticles as an antimicrobial, ionic
silver has had a long history of use as a disinfectant. Many reports
frequently use the term " silver" when referring to silver ions. Decades-old
discoveries provide evidence on the potential of microorganisms to develop
resistance to chemical species of silver that are cytotoxic, so that the
microorganisms continue to grow even in the presence of silver. One of the
earliest reports of antimicrobial resistance to silver ions was by Jelenko
et al. in 1969. The study isolated resistant Escherichia coli from a
clinical case of prolonged silver-nitrate-treated burns (detected at day 47,
following treatment with 0.5% silver nitrate at day 1 and day 36 postburn). 

   This finding was followed by the discovery of a silver-resistant
Salmonella typhimurium strain in the 1970s, also isolated from clinical
cases of silver-nitrate-treated burns (detected as early as day 8, following
treatment with 0.5% silver nitrate). 

   The isolated strain was later characterized as having nine resistance
determinants, known as the sil genes. Examples of bacteria adapting to
conditions of long exposure to silver are also found outside the clinic, in
specific environmental settings " where toxicity might select for
resistance" a quote from A. Gupta and S. Silver, 1998), including the soil
of a silver mine and photographic laboratory effluent.

 

===end of quoted portion===

 

Now, I did not read every single word of this article, but I did skim every
page. NAg (Silver Nitrate) kept appearing. From my cursory reading, it seems
that the authors are focusing completely on the silver COMPOUND Silver
Nitrate-which, as we know, is NOT electrolytically isolated silver!!!

 

Of course medical science won't discuss EIS because we can make it
ourselves, and there's no profit in that. It really pays to read carefully,
and read between the lines.

 

Nenah

 

Nenah Sylver, PhD

author, The Rife Handbook

of Frequency Therapy and Holistic Health

healing from cancer and other diseases 

with non-invasive, effective technology

suppressed by the medical cartel until recently

www.nenahsylver.com   

  

 

Re: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[Bill Kingsbury]

 
The journal article can be downloaded here - 4.6 MB PDF:

https://sci-hub.ac/downloads/bb41/10.1...@acsnano.7b01166.pdf

bk


--- At 06:06 PM 31, 2017-03-31, bk wrote:
>
>from: - 
>https://www.healthcanal.com/infections/236554-rampant-use-antibacterial-nanosilver-resistance-risk.html
>
>Rampant use of antibacterial nanosilver is a resistance risk
>[...]
>
>The article Widespread and Indiscriminate Nanosilver Use: Genuine Potential 
>for Microbial Resistance is published in the journal ACS Nano.
>
>( http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acsnano.7b01166 )
>
>
> 


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Re: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[Jason Eaton]

...I would like to see more details about the referenced study on silver 
resistant bacteria.


The only study that I'm aware of was a study done on silver resistant 
microbes in silver-rich soil.  The researchers found that once the 
bacteria were removed from the silver-rich environment, the resistance 
quickly reversed (within a few generations).  If I remember correctly, 
the reason was: Resistance to silver came at a very high metabolic price 
for the bacteria.


~Jason


On 3/31/2017 6:06 PM, Bill Kingsbury wrote:

from: - 
https://www.healthcanal.com/infections/236554-rampant-use-antibacterial-nanosilver-resistance-risk.html


Rampant use of antibacterial nanosilver is a resistance risk

7:05 March 31, 2017

In summary:

.. Silver nanoparticles are becoming ubiquitous in medical and consumer 
items because of their antibacterial potency in small concentrations and, 
partly, incorrect perceptions about their safety

.. A more judicious approach and targeted surveillance are urgently needed 
to preserve nanosilver's antimicrobial reliability

Researchers at the University of Technology Sydney warn that the broad-spectrum 
antimicrobial effectiveness of silver is being put at risk by the widespread 
and inappropriate expansion of nanosilver use in medical and consumer goods.

As well as their use in medical items such as wound dressings and catheters, silver 
nanoparticles are becoming ubiquitous in everyday items, including toothbrushes and 
toothpaste, baby bottles and teats, bedding, clothing and household appliances, because 
of their antibacterial potency and the incorrect assumption that ordinary items should be 
kept "clean" of microbes.

Nanobiologist Dr Cindy Gunawan, from the ithree institute at UTS and lead researcher on 
the investigation, said alarm bells should be ringing at the commercialisation of 
nanosilver use because of a "real threat" that resistance to nanosilver will 
develop and spread through microorganisms in the human body and the environment.

Dr Gunawan and ithree institute director Professor Liz Harry, in collaboration 
with researchers at UNSW and abroad, investigated more than 140 commercially 
available medical devices, including wound dressings and tracheal and urinary 
catheters, and dietary supplements, which are promoted as immunity boosters and 
consumed by throat or nasal spray.

Their perspective article in the journal ACS Nano concluded that the use of 
nanosilver in these items could lead to prolonged exposure to bioactive silver 
in the human body. Such exposure creates the conditions for microbial 
resistance to develop.

The use of silver as an antimicrobial agent dates back centuries. Its ability to destroy 
pathogens while seemingly having low toxicity on human cells has seen it widely employed, 
in treating burns or purifying water, for example. More recently, ultra-small (less than 
10,000th of a millimetre) silver nanoparticles have been engineered for antimicrobial 
purposes.  Their commercial appeal lies in superior potency at lower concentrations than 
"bulk" silver.

"Nanosilver is a proven antimicrobial agent whose reliability is being jeopardised 
by the commercialisation of people's fear of bacteria," Dr Gunawan said.

"Our use of it needs to be far more judicious, in the same way we need to 
approach antibiotic usage. Nanosilver is a useful tool but we need to be careful, 
use it wisely and only when the benefit outweighs the risk.

"People need to be made aware of just how widely it is used, but more importantly 
they need to be made aware that the presence of nanosilver has been shown to cause 
antimicrobial resistance."

What is also needed, Dr Gunawan said, is a targeted surveillance strategy to 
monitor for any occurrence of resistance.

Professor Harry said the findings were a significant contribution to addressing 
the global antimicrobial resistance crisis.

"This research emphasises the threat posed to our health and that of the environment 
by the inappropriate use of nanosilver as an antibacterial, particularly in ordinary 
household and consumer items," she said.

The article Widespread and Indiscriminate Nanosilver Use: Genuine Potential for 
Microbial Resistance is published in the journal ACS Nano.

( http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acsnano.7b01166 )

UTS


(c) 2016 HEALTHCANAL - Medical News. All Rights Reserved.

https://www.healthcanal.com/


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