In China there are 1.2bn people spread over
60 degrees of longitude all living by the
same clock time.
Compared with their fellows in the easternmost
15 degrees, the others are effectively living
with single, double and quadruple summer time.
This is technically true, but in
Dear John,
I may have stated a fact about China being one very large time
zone. Day to day reality is obviously different.
Thanks for that, Doug
On Apr 20, 2010, at 14:46, John Goodman wrote:
In China there are 1.2bn people spread over
60 degrees of longitude all living by the
same clock
Even in Kunming, a much more culturally Chinese area, people liked to
quote the time-honored maxim that the mountains are tall and the emperor
is far away.
I had to think of the line from Fiddler:
Is there a proper blessing for the Czar?
Yes, 'May God bless and keep the Czar --- far away from
Dear John,
Many thanks for your illuminating comments.
Alas I made a typing error...
Compared with their fellows in the easternmost
15 degrees, the others are effectively living
with single, double and quadruple summer time.
I meant triple rather than quadruple of course.
This is
Dear Frank,
Many thanks for your kind thoughts and comments. At the moment I will
respond to one of the puzzles.
You say: First, I should like a social historian to explain how this
[the drift to a different centre of the effective day] has come
about. For most of human history the
Dear Doug,
You make a host of interesting points in your
follow-up...
Did the shift [to our semi-nocturnal life style]
begin with the industrial revolution when better
lighting became available with brighter oil lamps,
incandescent gas mantles and then electric lighting?
These technological
Dear Doug,
I enjoyed your message. You end:
I hope that I have shed some light on the
annual silly debate, and look forward to
some acclaim (I hope) and probably some
protests.
In my experience this debate takes place twice
a year but, that aside, you may have my acclaim
but also my
Better late than never I would like to enter this debate because I
became quite concerned about the lack of objectivity. We seem to have
had lots of comments about myths, folklore and personal prejudices. I
quote James Lovelock We live at a time when emotions and feelings
count more than
Dear Chuck,
Your message was very useful therapy for me.
[You should charge a fee :-) ]
I ... conclude that DST is ... unnecessary
... for people who are capable of ...
modifying their morning alarm clock.
It is so much easier to change one alarm
clock than to change all the other clocks:
Nafziger
Cc: Sundial List
Betreff: Re: DST Misconceptions
Dear Chuck,
Your message was very useful therapy for me.
[You should charge a fee :-) ]
I ... conclude that DST is ... unnecessary
... for people who are capable of ...
modifying their morning alarm clock.
It is so much easier
...last year I solved the problem of DST at my home; now I've Delight Sleeping
Time: http://www.nonvedolora.it/gnomonica/immagini/its/bresso5.JPG
ciao Fabio
Fabio Savian
fabio.sav...@nonvedolora.it
Paderno Dugnano, Milan, Italy
45° 34' 10'' N 9° 10' 9'' E
GMT +1 (DST
Utterly brilliant!
Chris
51.4N 1.3W
GMT for another week
- Original Message -
From: Fabio Savian
To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: DST Misconceptions
...last year I solved the problem of DST at my home; now I've Delight
I had to laugh out loud when I saw your magnificent design.
Thank you so much.
Van: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de]
Namens Fabio Savian
Onderwerp: Re: DST Misconceptions
...last year I solved the problem of DST at my home; now I've Delight
Sleeping Time
: jlcarmich...@comcast.net
To: illustratingshad...@yahoo.com; sundial@uni-koeln.de;
frank.k...@cl.cam.ac.uk
Subject: RE: DST Misconceptions
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:11:02 -0700
I also heard of a study last year that concluded that DST caused heart
attacks!
-Original Message
...@cl.cam.ac.uk
Subject: RE: DST Misconceptions
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:11:02 -0700
I also heard of a study last year that concluded that DST caused heart
attacks!
-Original Message-
From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de]
On
Behalf Of Simon
: Monday, March 15, 2010 6:29 AM
To: 'Sundial Mailing List'; Frank King
Subject: Re: DST Misconceptions
My understanding, not having followed this thread, is that at best
there
is
a believed savings of energy to the order of 1%. I have no idea if
that
is
statistically valid. I am also
] On Behalf Of Aimo Niemi
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:20 AM
To: Chuck Nafziger
Cc: John Carmichael; sundial@uni-koeln.de
Subject: Re: DST Misconceptions
Hi
2010/3/16 Chuck Nafziger canafzi...@hotmail.com
Perhaps it is better explained this way, as a wise old Arizona Indian chief
once said
I live at about latitude 48 N. where a one hour time change is insufficient to
make use of the changing sunrise. I have been at several jobs where the shop
workers were capable of changing their shop hours so they would get to work
shortly after sunrise during the summer so they could enjoy
, Arizona, W112.1 N33.5
--- On Mon, 3/15/10, Frank King frank.k...@cl.cam.ac.uk wrote:
From: Frank King frank.k...@cl.cam.ac.uk
Subject: Re: DST Misconceptions
To: 'Sundial Mailing List' sundial@uni-koeln.de
Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 4:10 AM
Dear John and Jack,
Reading about
King
Subject: Re: DST Misconceptions
My understanding, not having followed this thread, is that at best there is
a believed savings of energy to the order of 1%. I have no idea if that is
statistically valid. I am also told that the shift from standard to daylight
time causes some 263 traffic deaths
[mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de]
On
Behalf Of Simon [illustratingshadows
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 6:29 AM
To: 'Sundial Mailing List'; Frank King
Subject: Re: DST Misconceptions
My understanding, not having followed this thread, is that at best there is
a believed savings of energy
Hi:
Here's a video that busts the myths surrounding the benefits of DST.
Rachel Maddow- Daylight-saving time explained
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z48Mg0dl4Gw
Have Fun,
Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
---
Even if the myths are busted, some people
still like it. Most of our lives are not
symmetrical around noon, but are biased
to the afternoon and evenings, so having
more daylight then is a better match for our
daily activities. In Boston, the summer solstice
sunrise is at 5:08 AM. That's two
Hi Dick:
Yes, Both Rachel and the author of the book about DST like it, without
any of the official reasons given for it.
They both agree it does tend to cause people to spend more money.
Have Fun,
Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
kool...@dickkoolish.com wrote:
Even if the myths are
Dear Dick,
In Boston, the summer solstice sunrise
is at 5:08 AM. That's two hours before
I'm even thinking about getting up. :-)
OK. Suppose I broke into your apartment
while you were asleep and advanced all
your clocks so they said 7:08AM. Would
you think about getting up then?
That's
-Original Message-
From: Frank King frank.k...@cl.cam.ac.uk
To: kool...@dickkoolish.com
Cc: sundial@uni-koeln.de
Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:59 pm
Subject: Re: DST Misconceptions
Dear Dick,
In Boston, the summer solstice sunrise
is at 5:08 AM. That's two hours before
I'm even thinking
How about the misconception that it saves energy. I have never seen any
serious scientific study that supports that theory which is implausible
given energy use patterns in the 21st century.
Jack
From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On
Behalf Of John
but disrupting people's sleep just enough to make people ask
questions. I am probably being optimistic here but it cannot hurt
Thad
--- On Sun, 3/14/10, Jack Aubert jaub...@cpcug.org wrote:
From: Jack Aubert jaub...@cpcug.org
Subject: RE: DST Misconceptions
To: 'John Carmichael' jlcarmich
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