RE: [biofuels-biz] Food miles madness

2003-05-18 Thread jon
Maybe an interesting article, but what does it have to do with the core subject of this newsgroup, the production of biofuels? There are really too many items like this diluting the core subject material. There are already plenty of other forums to discuss this kind of subject- let us leave

RE: [biofuels-biz] Food miles madness

2003-05-18 Thread Hakan
Jon, If you are a hobbyist and do it for yourself, you might be right. It is a very narrow and egoistic view and does not leave much space for production, use, sales and distribution of biofuels as an alternative energy resource. Obviously you want a more of a recipes and cooking type of

RE: [biofuels-biz] Food miles madness

2003-05-18 Thread Keith Addison
Maybe an interesting article, but what does it have to do with the core subject of this newsgroup, the production of biofuels? There are really too many items like this diluting the core subject material. There are already plenty of other forums to discuss this kind of subject- let us leave this

Re: [biofuels-biz] Food miles madness

2003-05-18 Thread Appal Energy
The same distribution model is being applied to present day biodiesel, with vast production of acreage, centralized manufacture and global distribution. Call up any company distributing any type of biofuel. If you're willing to pay the price, they're willing to ship it from across the globe.

Re: [biofuels-biz] Palm Oil as a Fuel for Agricultural Diesel Engines: Comparative Testing

2003-05-18 Thread Michael Allen
Dear Marc, Good idea! I think young Keith is putting it onto journeytoforever. Regards Michael Allen On Thu, 15 May 2003 10:21:57 +0800, Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to post this report to the Files area of the group? It would save emailing it to every

Re: [biofuel] Need clearification and advice

2003-05-18 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Paul - Original Message - From: Johnsson Tomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello all We have been testing Alecs Fool Proof process and find it to work after several long and time consuming testings (adding lye/methanol several times and removing the glyrein). Greetings Johnsson,

Re: [biofuel] Need clearification and advice

2003-05-18 Thread gobie
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, that's one way. As I said, various people adapt it to their requirements and preferences, and it seems to adapt well. The best way though, according to much feedback, our own findings and Aleks's continuing work, is

Re: [biofuel] Need clearification and advice

2003-05-18 Thread gobie
- Original Message - From: Andreas W Ohnsorge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tomas, I had a similar problem with WVO from a restaurant when I tried the foolproof recipe allthough it worked fine with virgin oil. I had some sort of success using the two stage acid based version with a recipe

Re: [biofuel] More on Traffic Safety

2003-05-18 Thread murdoch
On Sun, 18 May 2003 04:50:06 +0900, you wrote: Hi MM How're you doing? Did you get a diesel yet, after that cell-phone driver smashed your car? My car situation is at present that I'm driving a 97 Escort STation Wagon w/67k miles and no accidents, for a low purchase price. I did look through

Re: [biofuel] Need clearification and advice

2003-05-18 Thread Keith Addison
If you say so Paul. I disagree, what I do also disagrees, on all counts, what Aleks does also disagrees, on all counts, and a great deal of feedback also disagrees, on all counts. IMO your concentrated aqueous solution simply adds an unnecessary variable, no need. As for adjustments, I think

[biofuel] Re: price of methanol

2003-05-18 Thread girl_mark_fire
methanol at .82 cents a gallon is cheap, but it really doesn't make that huge of a difference to a homebrewer. I pay about $2 a gallon and my fuel costs under 50 cents including all the utility costs for heating it. There';s not a huge difference between 50 cents a gallon and 30 cents a

Re: [biofuel] Re: price of methanol

2003-05-18 Thread Brent S
It makes a big difference to me. The only major cost to me is methanol. The first batch I made cost abot .70/litre that's $2.80/U.S. gallon, not including any costs other than methanol and lye. pump price for diesel is .72/litre. Need to get the cost down or no one will care how good bio is. I

[biofuel] corretion Re: price of methanol

2003-05-18 Thread girl_mark_fire
sorry folks, I didn't mean to imply that homebrew biodiesel would cost 30 cents a gallon if your methanol costs were the listed tanker price. It was just an arbitrary figure to illustrate that once you're going at 75 % less than the cost of petro diesel, it really doesn't seem to matter (to

[biofuel] Mango trees

2003-05-18 Thread Alan Petrillo
Mangoes are my favorite fruit, and it was with great relish I read this piece: http://www.futureforests.com/uploadedfiles/WSD%20Mango%20Write%20Up.pdf Hmm... Relish... Mango relish... I have a jar of it in the kitchen. Time to go have a snack! AP Yahoo! Groups

Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [prep2003discuss2] Toothpaste as poison

2003-05-18 Thread paul van den bergen
I think you all missed my point. the social benefits of both fluorine and chlorine in drinking water are enourmous compared with the costs of not doing so - let me be clear oin this - the benefits of chlorine are very low levels of disentry and diahorea, not to mention cholera, etc., the

Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [prep2003discuss2] Toothpaste as poison

2003-05-18 Thread paul van den bergen
On Sun, 18 May 2003 11:25 am, robert luis rabello wrote: Kris Book wrote: Can someone please explain to me why all of Europe and more recently so many U.S. water districts are using ozone to purify drinking water instead of chlorine/chloramine. I just searched for an hour to find an

[biofuel] Mad Science Discussion Board - Powered by XMB 1.8

2003-05-18 Thread kirk
Any chemists on board? This sounds much better than Methane reactor. Kirk http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=169 methanol from CO2 I recently tried this process, which describes the conversion of CO2 into methanol, utilizing an electric cell... I did not have success, i

[biofuel] Re: price of methanol

2003-05-18 Thread girl_mark_fire
It certainly makes a difference in your case, because you're not in an area where methanol is available cheaply. Most people in the US, however, can get it for an inconsequential price... you may want to explore methanol recovery mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Brent S [EMAIL

[biofuel] filtering oil

2003-05-18 Thread William Clark
Does anyone know of a reason newspaper can't be used as a filter for wvo? Bill C. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM

Re: [biofuel] Re: price of methanol

2003-05-18 Thread Brent S
I have concidered methanol recovery, but it will be in the future when I am set up better. How much of the methanol will stay in the glycerine? I am still trying to source a cheaper supplier for methanol and will keep going till the goverment shuts me down...lol. Brent From: girl_mark_fire

Re: [biofuel] filtering oil

2003-05-18 Thread Appal Energy
Not porous enough. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: William Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 9:15 PM Subject: [biofuel] filtering oil Does anyone know of a reason newspaper can't be used as a filter for wvo? Bill C.

Re: [biofuel] Natural pH-Indicators

2003-05-18 Thread Tom Gehlen
Im being faced with the clean up of rather heavy clay soaked with old motor oil. What are the most effective processes currently being used for reclaiming such an environmental problem. Is there a process that produces a positive environmental effect?? Tom G. - Original Message - From:

RE: [biofuel] filtering oil

2003-05-18 Thread kirk
Back up a paper filter with another media if there is a chance the paper filter will encounter water. Kirk -Original Message- From: William Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 8:15 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] filtering oil Does anyone know

Re: [biofuel] Wind Power -- a European Success Story

2003-05-18 Thread paul van den bergen
On Sat, 17 May 2003 12:20 am, Bryan Brah wrote: As Hakan has said storage of wind generated electricity will be the hardest problem to solve if we are to rely on it for our power needs. actually, any environmentally derived power has this problem, potentially. specifically, the amount of