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Not yet I will try some more experiments in the future. I need a
duration. I suspect that optimum mixing would level
out the differences.
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plastic inline fuel filter will pass cloudy BD. A 11
micron filter paper (Whatman No. 1) produces crystal clear BD from the same
murky BD.
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for as short a time as possible. Could help to mark up your
weighing vessel to approx weights so as to speed the process.
Suspect that these pearls might have a thin coating of wax or something to
protect them from moist air.
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* Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020421 09:48
agree with you.
Another reformed christian.
Paul Gobert.
As a former christian, and fundamentalist at that, I have to say as far
as
I'm concerned, christianity is a deception. And as I pointed out before, I
have
a degree in religious studies with an emphasis in biblical literature, and
before I
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More on that Black Oil later.
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Another reason why I like to prepare methoxide using conc aqueous NaOH.
So much safer, quicker and more convenient.
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AQUEOUS SOLUTIONS OF CAUSTIC ARE THE LAST THING ANYONE SHOULD USE to
manufacture biodiesel, as the end result will be soap with a high methanol
concentration.
(snip).
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Paul,
All our experience tells us that the introduction of water into the
equation
is not adviseable.
A doctorate in chemistry is sitting around the corner from me shaking his
head, No way.
[snip]
Plan to investigate
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Used Peanut oil (from domestic kitchen)
SG 0.9100,viscosity 134.67 sec at 28 deg C, acidity 0.6ml
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Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Biodiesel,Glycerine pretreat
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The SG results form my tests with pre-treated oil are as follows.
Note all are unwashed except
approximate the ammount of methanol used (given that enough methanol was
used to ensure complete reaction).
With well used WVO/WAF I find that more than the titrated ammount of NaOH is
required for satisfactory reaction/stability of product.
Look forward to reading further results,
Paul Gobert
You are serious, aren't you? You really do not know what you have said that
is wrong!
I rest my case.
PS: take a look at the web site if you're still having a problem with
appreciation of discriminatory terminology.
Mrs Robyn Gobert (to you).
Did someone strike the wrong cord?
Am I just too
of times
with WVO and lower than normal levels of methoxide until the volume of
glycerine becomes too great. BD from the repetitive treatment should require
no further processing.
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Keith, the Biology teachers at school should be able to use
this.
Gives a whole new meaning to Public Transport.
At least in your own vehicle you are mainly responsible for the bacterial
flora and have probably developed a resistance to it.
Regards,
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have to use more
methanol. If this works up the NaOH level in subsequent batches.
Used 16.7g of NaOH per litre to successfully process beef tallow. Figures
seem ridiculously high but processed well.
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the BD .
On subsequent batches up the ammount of NaOH.
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through a gauze filter to form a slurry which washes to yield liquid BD.
Washed BD, free from NaOH does not form this gellatinous material.
Hope this is of help Keith,
A small repayment for all the information and enjoyment this group has given
me.
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are a novice Martin) is essential for the direction of the group. After
all teachers often learn from their pupils.
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paintbrushes to handcleaner (with
methanol removed) etc.
Apparently there is a market for high grade glycerol but refining it to that
stage is expensive.
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from the glycerine by distillation.
Friend gave me a stainless steel beer keg fitted out with temperature gauge.
They used to make Snapps.
Am currently working on chemical recovery methods with the aim of reducing
complexity and time/energy input.
Will be in touch.
Regards,
Paul Gobert
the diesel
that used to be carried in the fuel tank of the vehicle.
Settling, decanting, washing and filtering is all that remains to be done.
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reducing the cost.
Choice of a two stage or continuous recovery process will govern my choice
of pump speed ratios and reaction vessels etc.
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From: Chris Amar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any suggestions out there as to where one would purchase 99%
isopropyl alcohol?
Try chemical reagent supply houses.
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water is clear and has a pH of 7. This usually
takes two or three equal volume washes. The milkyness is from contaminants
and emulsification of a small ammount of the BD. pH meters are not at
their best trying to measure either oil or water, better to use Universal
Indicator solution.
Paul Gobert
. This will give an indication of
the amount of methanol recovery in the pretreatment.
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From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dana my main interest is Biodiesel. Heating the fuel would allow me to use
BD from beef tallow/animal fats in winter. ( rarely below 0 deg C in this
part of OZ) Information in this branch of
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From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think a better idea than trying to adapt the heater
you have is to either make your own nichrome heat
immersion coil or buy the veg therm from Neoteric
fuels. I will haevmore info on making your own coils
soon..just
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A confessed Peugeotphile,
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Constant methanol level(225ml/L WAF), various NaOH levels.
Waste Animal Fat (Frytol)
Titration 2.2ml 0.1% NaOH,indicates optimum 5.7g/L
Agitation, 1Litre of warm oil + methoxide into plastic 2L
, even higher than indicated by the
titration. Say test batches using 8g/25% and up.
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easier, has a lower SG and a lower viscosity. 25% methanol and 8 to 9ml of
conc NaOH per litre copes well with beef tallow.
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- Original Message -
From: Shawn Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 1:46 AM
Subject: [biofuel] About to attempt first BD batch in lab
r. Is it ok to start the reaction at a higher initial temp, in attempts to
maintain a higher
Shawn, a good site for information on analysing BD is
http://koal.cop.fi//leonardo/leonardo.htm .
It is a university site with the theme of Teaching Chemistry by Vegetable
Oil Theme.
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Keith, not mentioned in the article were the grants ear marked for the
Kentucky Poultry Growers Cooperative to engineer and install sawdust fired
boilers to provide hot water heat for the chicken houses. The idea is to
compete with the
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [biofuel] Different Grades of Ethanol and Classification.
What are different grades based on concentration like
1. Industrial Grade
2. Fuel Grade
3. Analytical Reagent grade.
4. USP/BP grade
How they are categorized and what
Keith and all,
Washing.
Have reduced Glacial acetic acid level to 1/2 ml per Litre of BD. Bubble
wash working well.
BD as produced pH 6 ( Filtered WCSO 6g/L NaOH, 15% Methanol) Equal volumes
of wash water and BD.
Three washes approx 15 min, 1 litre of BD washed at a time in tall
cylindrical
I have solved the wash problems that plagued my BD production.
Previous attempts at washing using the bubble wash technique proved
disasterous with froth and emulsion formation. Usually half the BD ended up
overflowing the container.
Tried using a gentler wash setup on small scale allowing water
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Paul, you're using Aleks's two-stage acid-base process, aren't you?
Keith and all,
am using single stage alkali and have settled on 6g/l NaOH, 15% methanol,
feedstock waste cottenseed oil (WCSO).
Have tried Aleks's two-stage
- Original Message -
From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Africar et al
Holden is the name of the engine manufacturer, a sister to the GM empire
in
USA.
Seeing Daewoo was bailed out of trouble by GM,
- Original Message -
From: Aleksander lt;kac [EMAIL PROTECTED]
vfd
What are the problems to be encountered when using isopropanol?
Acid based reactions work with all alcohols, base catalyzed reactions
seem to be picky.
Aleks,
out of curiosity I had a go at trying to make Bd from
- Original Message -
From: Aleksander lt;kac [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If I will be able to make isoprop esters the usual way, then lipase is
also no issue anymore to me.
Aleks
Aleks,
I am indebted to you for the invaluable information that you have gathered
and shared with everyone.
Can
- Original Message -
From: Garry Learmonth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
am interested to find out if there are any members well not only within
Australia but maybe within Queensland
Welcome Garry, I am located to the north of you, inland from Cairns.
regards Paul.
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From: Dick Carlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
how to dry naoh,
(hows that for a snip Dick?)
Dick,
Are you wanting to dry NaOH that has absorbed water or wanting to produce
dry NaOH from a solution?
RegardsPaul
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As mentioned before have been having problems with consistency and final
results when making BD from waste cotton seed oil (WCSO).
The problems include:
-white flock-like material separating from the BD after 24 hr or so
standing.
-cloudy BD.
-BD setting to a clear jelly,
- Original Message -
From: Pat McCotter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 8:40 AM
(BTW, a year-and-a-half ago I had aneurysm surgery at the base of my
brain.
I lost an inner ear in the process and still have the hole in my skull
behind the ear
- Original Message -
From: Edward Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] (OT)Bits Falling Off / Chemical dispensing
Paul and all -
We have been trying a plastic, hand-operated drum pump the last couple of
weeks
Has anyone tried using a washing machine to mix the reactants for Biodeisel?
I was thinking of the type with water heater.
Process
-Heat Cottenseed oil to 50 deg c,
-add methanol/caustic mix,
-use wash cycle to agitate,
-pump into settling vessel.
Anticipated problems,
- Original Message -
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Let's do what is logical, sensible, and cost effective, with
an eye on developing new things to continue the process.
Couldn't agree more E.J.
As I see it we are up against three popular philosophies/diciplins which
defy/destroy logical
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From: F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Diesel's original plan was to use powdered coal. Liquid fuels
were first used in compression-ignition engines in France by Capitaine,
but the engines have always been called Diesel nonetheless. Peanut
oil, indeed! Where
- Original Message -
From: Dick Carlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
our lc 400 one stage plants maintain 50 celisius and 2 bar during mixing
and settling.
Dick do you notice any difference in reaction rate with the pressure
applied?
Considering pressure cookers, autoclaves etc the aim seems
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
James,
Why?
If these components fail their repair through the above process
should ensure that they are ready for BD.
Sorry, don't follow.
The fuel companies require written evidence of fuel purchase. If you can't
provide this (ie
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My Peugeot 404 was better off-road than most of the 4x4
toys I see around these days. I once swapped it with a friend for a
few days because I needed his pickup, and when we reswapped he said:
Don't you ever have to put fuel
- Original Message -
From: Dick Carlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [biofuel] jathropa oil / castor oil / tung oil / cottonseed oil
Dick over the past few months I have been making small batches of BD from
used cottenseed oil (largest batch so far 4L).
Forms ester readily. Have been
- Original Message -
From: Barryt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are you aware of any storage limitation in suburban Sydney?
regards Barryt
Barry its some twenty or so years since I lived in Sydney so I can't help
you there. Moved to far north Queensland many years ago to escaped the
rat-race.
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From: Barryt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I live on the northern beaches of Sydney. Does anyone in the group have
some methanol locations that would suit me.
Try BP (Australia) they market the methanol I am using.
BP Methanol Straight.
Available in 20L and 200L drums,
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was asked today why there was a ban on feeding cotton meal and oil
to stock (the Japanese found residual pesticide in Australian beef)
but the oil was recommended for human cooking. Does anyone know how or
if the contaminants can be
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Does anyone know how or if the contaminants can be removed?
It's called gossypol, a toxin, and also currently under research as a
possible male contraceptive. Cottonseed oil used for cooking must've
been detoxified.
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From: Paul Gobert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RETRACTION
At best the reaction conditions we are using convert only a fraction of
the
WVO to ester.
( Configure the ammount of methanol into the equation for the reaction and
you will see what I mean).
The reaction involves
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I use a 2.5litre conical flask with a watch glass on top and a hot
plate stirrer. I heat gently with a small stirring bug. The methanol
tends to refux in the flask (neck stays cool). 2 litres with 140gms
NaOH took about 5 minutes to
- Original Message -
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Today I compared the viscosity of two samples of BD with three oils
that I have used as damping fluid in the forks of my race-bike. To
empty a 5ml pippet took:
BD1-8sec
BD2-9secs
2.5wt oil---17sec
5wt oil 34sec
- Original Message -
From: Hanns B. Wetzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Here is a process that produced bio diesel which was carried out in the
Philippines as a prototype in 1991.
Great post Hanns. Good description with plenty of useful information.
Did the process get beyond the prototype
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From: Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 4:40 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] titration ph question
I have had the same problems with titration. My digital PH meter
(i have 2 now) have both been calibrated with a 7 and 10
- Original Message -
From: Martin R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't know how my bio diesel should look like when it is the finished
product should it be clear or is cloudy ok ???
Martin it should be crystal clear.
My experience was initially with unused safflower oil and more recently
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From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 5:14 AM
Subject: [biofuel] titration ph question
Hi all.
Well, I thought I'd have a play about with learning titration.
Ian, pH meters have their uses but determining the
- Original Message -
How much unprocessed oil are other experimenters finding in the final
product and how much is too much?
Regards from Harry
Good question Harry.
All efforts seem to be towards producing as much ester from the WVO as
possible.
At best the reaction conditions we are
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Paul Gobert wrote:
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From: James Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Paul,
I read your plans for the bubble wash alternative.
I hope I'm wrong, but the windshield washer pump may
overheat if run continuously.
Jim,
Agree with you there Jim
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From: David Teal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
James wrote:
I'm thinking of tapping off from the base of the washing vessel and
pumping the water / bio back into the top of the vessel via a
domestic shower head. Has anyone tried this?
Plan on using this method have tried
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From: Jan Surwka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Information for Paul,
Maybe instead of bothering with glycerine as fuel one could use it as
a...fertilizer .
I have heard that glycerine after diluting with water can be used a soil
nutrient
jan
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From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bubblewashing as i see it can be a pain.
It works very well, but when it comes to larger batches than 50 litres,
the
aquarium pump just dosnt do the job.
Alternatives, 1). Antipolution air injection pump from 70's vehicle. Use one
at
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why not just use a 5 micron diesel fuel filter to clean up your
biodiesel?
Sounds nice and simple but I don't think it would remove the water soluble
contaminants that water washing achieves.
Regards Paul
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From: Gary and Jos Kimlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Reclaiming the methanol
Paul my next batch will be with cotton seed oil. I intend to use the
twostage with KOH rather than NaOH. The best I can do with NaOH seems to
be
80-85% pure,
Pure
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From: Bud Lois Pitts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can anyone tell me how long WVO will store and still be usable for
biodiesel
and what would be the best storage conditions? Also how long will BD store
before it becomes contaminate with organisms as petro diesel does?
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Thanks a whole lot, Steve Spence. I really needed to know that. Got
anything
for erectile dysfunction; i.e. limp dick?
Try Zoloft (seratalin) a seratonin uptake inhibitor prescribed for
depression.
Interesting side effects short term.
Paul.
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Methanol is extremely soluble but a reflux condenser should give a good
yield. Beyond that the methods cited for drying ethanol should apply.
Harry in Oz.
Harry, reflux condensation is in effect a closed system whereby the products
of distillation are returned to
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Treat anything clear as Methanol.
My first attempt making biod, just sucking in Meth and at a temp of 55oC I
found at least 250ml of Meth in my liquid trap.
Be very careful.
Ian
Ian,
In my trial laboratory scale batches have found that methoxide and SVO
David,
** If you have replaced the rings it dosnt suprise me that the vehicle
smokes. What were the rings you used in replacement? Where they genuine
Toyota rings?
Yes. Engine was reconditioned by local Toyota Agent at 200,000km.
It was so far gone that I was using 40 grade oil in an effort
veggie oil is used by some racing cars and motorcycles
i dont know the trade name tho.
Ian
Used to use Castrol R or Mobil P in the diffs of Peugeot 203,403,404.
These have a brass worm wheel and a steel worm. Required diet was vegetable
oil.
Paul
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:20 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Rookie Questions
A couple of questions from a lurker...
What are some safety concerns which should be addressed when cooking up a
batch of biodiesel?
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