Re: [biofuel] food for thought

2004-01-02 Thread Dan Maker
Hakan Falk said: http://www.undp.org/ of special interest is, Human Development Report 2003 http://www.undp.org/hdr2003/ Thanks, I'll read these pages. Dan -- Jack of all trades, master of none. Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker

Re: [biofuel] food for thought

2004-01-01 Thread Hakan Falk
Dan, I do not know when and where he visited in Finland, if he did it at all. I do nor recognize his description and it is no support for it in the Finnish statistics. In general the Nordic countries have less inhabitants per room than US. To get a picture of the real situation, United

Re: [biofuel] food for thought

2004-01-01 Thread R. Joseph Murphy
, then offer meaningful tax incentives to those individuals and companies that build responsibly. -BRAH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 9:05 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] food for thought

Re: [biofuel] food for thought

2004-01-01 Thread Hakan Falk
, December 31, 2003 9:05 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] food for thought In a message dated 12/29/2003 9:55:00 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just imagine if the building codes in this country were changed so that every new building had to be whole wall

Re: [biofuel] food for thought

2004-01-01 Thread Alan Petrillo
Steve wrote: Have another dumb question which someone might have a few thoughts on.. When they take one of the electric plants offline that is really badly polluting... Why do they just throw the generators away. As far as I know, the technology of these big generators has not really

Re: [biofuel] food for thought

2004-01-01 Thread Alan Petrillo
Bryan Brah wrote: Would this law arbitrarily apply to EVERY new building nationwide? What about Hawaii, where many people don't have heat or AC, and drafty, semi-permeable walls are desirable? If you can grant an exemption for Hawaiians, then why not for Floridians? No, you do NOT want

Re: [biofuel] food for thought

2003-12-31 Thread esbuck
In a message dated 12/29/2003 9:55:00 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just imagine if the building codes in this country were changed so that every new building had to be whole wall rated at R45... how much coal burning could be eliminated by making such a small change. So

RE: [biofuel] food for thought

2003-12-31 Thread Bryan Brah
Subject: Re: [biofuel] food for thought In a message dated 12/29/2003 9:55:00 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just imagine if the building codes in this country were changed so that every new building had to be whole wall rated at R45... how much coal burning could

Re: [biofuel] food for thought

2003-12-31 Thread Dan Maker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: When last I was in Finland, they lived 2.6 people per room in large state-run apartment complexes, a Green dream for saving energy, particularly with no elevators. Let's just pass a law ;-) That sounds like the human eqv. of a battery box chicken coup. Dan --

Re: [biofuel] food for thought

2003-12-30 Thread Hakan Falk
Steve, Sweden does not exactly goes as far as R45 walls, but looks what happens with only the old (pre 1978) Swedish standards, http://energy.saving.nu/buildingcodes/buildingcodedev.shtml Hakan At 23:39 29/12/2003, you wrote: Since I imagine most here are really interested in both

Re: [biofuel] Food for thought

2003-01-03 Thread Keith Addison
Keith Addison wrote: Anyway, hadn't you guys over there better start thinking about taking your country back? Please??? Regards Keith We'd love to, but by the time we actually GET to vote, the decent candidates have been long outspent by the political machine that perpetuates

Re: [biofuel] Food for thought

2003-01-03 Thread Keith Addison
Keith writes: Anyway, hadn't you guys over there better start thinking about taking your country back? Please??? Great idea, but hard to do when the Democrats haven't got anyone to offer but a bunch of uninspiring wimps who would've been called Republicans back in the good ol' days :-). I

Re: [biofuel] Food for thought Was: Fish Farms Become FeedlotsoftheSea 12-28-02

2003-01-03 Thread Jon Fairbanks
You guys need to read The New Thought Police by Tammy Bruce. You guys ain't seen nothing yet! Jonathan Fairbanks East Tawas, MI --- csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel the same way about this social pressure. Almost as if it's (the pressure) being used as (quite an effective)

Re: [biofuel] Food for thought

2003-01-03 Thread Keith Addison
You guys need to read The New Thought Police by Tammy Bruce. You guys ain't seen nothing yet! Jonathan Fairbanks East Tawas, MI Uh... The left control the media and are working towards the downfall of America, etc etc, according to Ms Bruce. What a joke. Rupert Murdoch, eg, well-known

Re: [biofuel] Food for thought Was: Fish Farms Become Feedlotsof the Sea 12-28-02

2003-01-02 Thread Alan S. Petrillo
Keith Addison wrote: Canada IS a free country?? I thought it was logged in the books as a Socialist Country?? Is Canada looking like a free country a tell-tale indication of what (comparatively) the US has become (or is turning in to)??? No debate ... simply food for thought.

Re: [biofuel] Food for thought Was: Fish Farms Become Feedlotsof the Sea 12-28-02

2003-01-02 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Alan Keith Addison wrote: Canada IS a free country?? I thought it was logged in the books as a Socialist Country?? Is Canada looking like a free country a tell-tale indication of what (comparatively) the US has become (or is turning in to)??? No debate ... simply food for

Re: [biofuel] Food for thought

2003-01-02 Thread Ken Provost
Keith writes: Anyway, hadn't you guys over there better start thinking about taking your country back? Please??? Great idea, but hard to do when the Democrats haven't got anyone to offer but a bunch of uninspiring wimps who would've been called Republicans back in the good ol' days :-). I

Re: [biofuel] Food for thought Was: Fish Farms Become Feedlotsof theSea 12-28-02

2003-01-02 Thread robert luis rabello
Keith Addison wrote: Anyway, hadn't you guys over there better start thinking about taking your country back? Please??? Regards Keith We'd love to, but by the time we actually GET to vote, the decent candidates have been long outspent by the political machine that perpetuates

Re: [biofuel] Food for thought Was: Fish Farms Become Feedlots of the Sea 12-28-02

2002-12-29 Thread Steve Spence
socialist is not opposite of free. It means that many services that people ought to do for them selves are provided by the government, at a cost of course. socialist does not equal communist. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable

Re: [biofuel] Food for thought Was: Fish Farms Become Feedlots of the Sea 12-28-02

2002-12-29 Thread Keith Addison
Canada IS a free country?? I thought it was logged in the books as a Socialist Country?? Is Canada looking like a free country a tell-tale indication of what (comparatively) the US has become (or is turning in to)??? No debate ... simply food for thought. Curtis Now here's a thing a lot of

Re: [biofuel] Food for thought Was: Fish Farms Become Feedlots

2002-12-29 Thread Kim Garth Travis
Sorry Keith, maybe there are decently run socialist countries, but Canada, unfortunately isn't one. Canada is run on the principle of the lowest common denominator; If one idiot can figure out how to hurt themselves doing something, then it is made illegal for anyone to do it. I had 35

Re: [biofuel] Food for thought Was: Fish Farms Become Feedlots

2002-12-29 Thread Hakan Falk
Kim, I think that you are mixing Building Codes with local codes for building permits. Building Codes are there to guarantee that the building has a minimum standard, is safe, minimum life span, energy efficient, sound insulated and conflict solving. The local building rules are there for

Re: [biofuel] Food for thought Was: Fish Farms Become

2002-12-29 Thread Kim Garth Travis
Sorry Hakan, but no I am not mixing them up. We do not have codes in this part of the country. I am free to use PVC in my house, I can use an alternative building material like pulped paper feed bags mixed with clay for my walls, or whatever else I chose to do. There is no one I have to