- Original Message -
From: craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:10 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Glycerine pretreat (was Why people like SUVs
Paul,
Just a suggestion - change the subject line. What you posted - the
(valuable)
Dana,
you wrote:
Yes, that is the plan. Heat just enough WVO to get it
to liquify and flow easily into the lines where it is
heated further. Then an electric boost warmer close
to the injection pump...or better yet after
it...slaved to the SVO switch.
I'm not clear here - a boost warmer
Paul,
My pleasure.
Craig
You wrote:
Thanks Craig, bit of a slip up on my part, out of practise I guess, haven't
posted anything for a while.
Also forgot to include that the BD made from the WCSO I used for pretreat
test usually has an SG of around 0.8850. This will give an indication of
Hi All
I mixed a glass (250ml) table sugar two days ago with a liter and a half of
water. Added a packet of yeast and left it. Every night a warm it up a bit
with a light bulb for a couple of hours. It seems to be chugging along quite
nicely... This weekend I am going to try and distle the
Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are plenty of autos available for the folks that
want a sporty/high horsepower vehicle...at least in
the US. No horsepower resriction that I know of on
cars. I can easily get a much higher performance auto
than SUV for less money.
Interesting - the
Dana,
I think I answered my own question. I think you're talking about heating
the SVO after the injection pump but before the injectors. So apart from
the need to plumb into the (hard) line from the pump to the injectors,
the only problem I see is: will the solenoid valve - either the plastic
Hi Justin!
250ml sugar weighs approx 210gm, so you have 210/1.5 = 140 gm/litre sugar
solution (less if you mean it when you say you added 1.5 litre water, not
made up to a total solution of 1.5 litre
The percentage ethanol you can expect from this if fermented out fully is
140/17 = 8.2% ethanol
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Justin Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi All
I mixed a glass (250ml) table sugar two days ago with a liter and a
half of
water. Added a packet of yeast and left it. Every night a warm it
up a bit
with a light bulb for a couple of hours. It seems to be
The percentage ethanol you can expect from this if fermented out
fully is
140/17 = 8.2% ethanol (making up to 1.5 litre solution)
Not very high, and with such small quantities you can expect to
have even
less left after distillation as your losses will be high. With no
losses,
you would
- Original Message -
From: motie_d
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:43 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: ethanol
The percentage ethanol you can expect from this if fermented out
fully is
140/17 = 8.2% ethanol (making up to 1.5 litre solution)
snip
Motie
I noticed we gained a new feature today. Animated adds in the
messages. We get what we pay for?
Animated adds [sic] only at the Web interface, not in the email
messages. I think you get one helluva lot more than you pay for!
Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
Tokyo
Hello Paul
Interesting results you're getting, as usual.
snip
Keith, why the secrecy?.
Sorry about that, not my decision - someone else's work, not in the
public domain. But I'm working on it!
Regards
Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
Tokyo
http://journeytoforever.org/
Paul,
Maybe.
You would have to secure it very near the fuel pickup
in the SVO tank and I would be concerned about 3
things.
If it failed would you know before your injector pump
was harmed due to overload. A vacuum gauge might help
there.
and
How much current does it draw? Would it use all the
Hi they from Mercedes-Benz but they are assembled on a contract basis by
PUCH in Austria.
Have seen them often they ok but the Hummer (got one) is better as long
as it fits in with..
So your Hummers must have been stuck in the Forest between the trees..
(or in a German Town as noted...)
Urs
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--- craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not clear here - a boost warmer after the
injection pump? Don't you want
it before the pump? I'm probably not understanding
the role of the slaved
to the SVO switch part.
My theory here is that the injection pumps are not
designed with the
Hi All
I mixed a glass (250ml) table sugar two days ago with a liter and a half of
water. Added a packet of yeast and left it. Every night a warm it up a bit
with a light bulb for a couple of hours. It seems to be chugging along quite
nicely... This weekend I am going to try and distle the
--- craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dana,
I think I answered my own question. I think you're
talking about heating
the SVO after the injection pump but before the
injectors. So apart from
the need to plumb into the (hard) line from the pump
to the injectors,
the only problem I see is: will
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That was my solution.
BTW it is a Chevy Suburban with
RE: vacuum nice to have, not absolutely needed, you can tell by performance
compared to diesel or familiarity with vehicle before conversion, to some
extent, if pump is starving either from partly plugged filters, or too thick
SVO.
RE: temp, yes also nice to have, oil temp gauge/sender is
How about the air cooled VW method? Old style VW heaters use air from a
box around part of the exhaust system. Get one from a VW parts supplier
(or construct your own heat exchanger - fins around the exhaust pipe
surrounded by a can, etc.) and connect it inline somewhere in the
exhaust
--- F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interesting - the manufacturers get around Federal
model/horsepower
penalties by BUILDING SUVs. I just assumed they were
passing their
savings to the consumer as an incentive to BUY the
darn things.
Marc,
Actually the profit margin is
Nothing against the Webb, but it is fairly expensive as I recall, isn't it?
Edward Beggs
www.biofuels.ca
From: motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:11:18 +
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Re: SVO heating
--- In [EMAIL
Dana,
You wrote:
My theory here is that the injection pumps are not
designed with the high temperatures we want our SVO
to reach prior to injection in mind. The injectors
are. If the SVO can get its' final temp boost right
before injection(or return to the tank) we protect the
Ed,
Motie thinks about $70. I've emailed Webb (and will call if they don't respond
today) and will post the price.
Craig
Neoteric Biofuels Inc. wrote:
Nothing against the Webb, but it is fairly expensive as I recall, isn't it?
Edward Beggs
www.biofuels.ca
From: motie_d [EMAIL
I tried to forward something from the Vegoil Group to the Biofuels Group -
then I remembered about attachments, and copied and pasted it.
Craig
Dana Linscott wrote:
Craig...
Maybe I am just paranoid with all the messages
recently about virus'. Did you intend to send and
attachment to the
WVO/SVO fans,
I only have two items left on my list of SVO topics.
The next one is Aux. fuel tanks. I converted a
vehicle that had 2 diesel tanks and converted one over
to SVO. It was the simplest solution for me. But I
don't have any experience that might apply to
vehicles with only one tank
Is there any way to receive biofuel as a digest? 50
emails a day is killing me, but i don't want to
unsubscribe.
Thor Skov
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-- Original Message --
From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 13 Dec
JOHN DEERE APPROVES ECO-FRIENDLY BIODIESEL FUEL FOR ITS PRODUCTS
Lenexa, Kansas (December 3, 2001) -- John Deere has approved the use of
soy-based Biodiesel in all of its diesel-powered products. This announcement is
just the latest step in John Deere's ongoing 35-year commitment to the
Thor,
Yes - go to www.yahoogroups.com , find the Biofuels Group on the left under
My Groups then open it and go to Edit Membership - you can choose Digest
Mode.
Craig
Thor Skov wrote:
Is there any way to receive biofuel as a digest? 50
emails a day is killing me, but i don't want to
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nothing against the Webb, but it is fairly expensive as I recall,
isn't it?
I just called my local dealer, and the Webb is $123 without the fuel
gauge, and $176 with the gauge.
That's higher than I had remembered.
A bit more than I was hoping:
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Just found 10x2.5 melt blown polypropyelene
cartridge filters in 50,20,10,5,and 1 micron for $2.50
US each. Grainger industrial supply.
www.grainger.com
I have used spun poly cartridge filters before..but
they cost twice as much. Does anyone know what the
difference is besides price?
Dana
Sorry for the empty posts - I was up way too late last night cranking
out the SVO posts (not as late as Dana, though :)
From:
Allen McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Craig:
Hot Stk: Suggested list is $222.52
W8791: Suggested list is $121.13
Dims; Length; 16; Diameter: 4;
--- craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A bit more than I was hoping:
craig,
I have priced out my design at around $5US for
materials and 1 to 2 hours for labor
(cutting/drilling/welding/ testing) depending on cost
of labor and access to welder (15 minutes tops) this
may be the answer. I am
Just heard on the tv news that Mercedes is running an experimental
vehicle around the country that is running on sodium borohydrate.
They mentioned that is was similar to soap, maybe an ester of some
sort? Anyone?
Motie
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I heard something on the local National Public Radio station yesterday that
someone
was unveiling a hydrogen car at at an alternative fuels or solar cars show in
Sacramento, and soap was mentioned - as a byproduct, or the material that they
made
hydrogen from or something. Sorry that I don't
Motie,
Still better than a copper loop, in my opinion. But my truck see some hard
off-hiway use, so I'm more worried than most need to be.
Craig
motie_d wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nothing against the Webb, but it is fairly expensive as
Saw same for a Chrysler minivan being displayed, featured last night on news
They said similar to Borax, as in 20 mule team borax...What's the price tag?
nobody said. That's all I know of it.
Edward Beggs
www.biofuels.ca
From: motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Motie,
Still better than a copper loop, in my opinion. But my truck see
some hard
off-hiway use, so I'm more worried than most need to be.
Craig
The Webb will withstand hard use. Nearly all the logging trucks here
have
Hey there,
I am new to the list, and am guessing this sort of thing is either
covered in earlier conversations, or a study somewhere.
I am interested in biodiesel efficiency. As in, what sort of miles
per gallon can be expected. I am interested in producing biodiesel
not from recycled
Motie,
Sounds good to me!
Craig
You wrote:
The Webb will withstand hard use. Nearly all the logging trucks here
have them. When a fuel tank is seven feet long, and half-filled with
fuel going down a logging road, the sloshing tears the factory fuel
gauge floats off within a week, unless
- Original Message -
From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Dana my main interest is Biodiesel. Heating the fuel would allow me to use
BD from beef tallow/animal fats in winter. ( rarely below 0 deg C in this
part of OZ) Information in this branch of
Paul,
I think a better idea than trying to adapt the heater
you have is to either make your own nichrome heat
immersion coil or buy the veg therm from Neoteric
fuels. I will haevmore info on making your own coils
soon..just downloaded software for figuring out draw
and output based on dia. and
All,
Many companies are using Boron compounds as a storage medium for Hydrogen.
In one instance, the compounds are carried in a solution of sodium hydroxide
and are passed over a catalyst (a florinated metal hydride) to release
hydrogen and oxygen which are then separated so that the hydrogen
Agree with that. For biodiesel at around freezing, and with no purge of
diesel, you need to heat the filter, nothing else. Not ahead of it, not the
lines. Just the filter media. Even at that, it might wax up on overnight
cooling. The only way around that is to purge it out, basically back to a
Everyone,
I made some small batches of bio-diesel about a month ago. Now when I look at
them in the clear containers there are white floaties in the fuel which I
believe to be soap. Is filtering the best way to remove these particles from
the bio-diesel? If so what inexpensive methods
I am thinking that the coolant is basically free heat, as it is a waste
product of the engine running, but that using more than a small amount of
electricity to heat the WVO wwill use more fuel, and cause wear on belts,
alternators, and perhaps cause elctrical problems in the wiring or other
You are not fussy, coolant heat is mainly waste heat anyway.
I would rather use the heat from the coolant than put an extra load on my
engine that robs power and burns more fuel.
--- Anton Berteaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am thinking that the coolant is basically free heat, as it is a waste
Yes it is nice to use that waste heat. However, a lot of people want an
inexpensive, easy installation, and live in warm climates, or they want to
boost to compensate for losses from the glycol heat exchanger setup.
Self-regulating in the case of our heater means on a sliding scale, not
full
Very close to diesel. Maybe a few % less. Lots of studies.
Edward Beggs
www.biofuels.ca
From: scottv_27526 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:40:46 +
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Biofuel efficiency
Hey there,
I am new
Neoteric Biofuels Inc. wrote:
Saw same for a Chrysler minivan being displayed, featured last night on news
They said similar to Borax, as in 20 mule team borax...What's the price tag?
nobody said. That's all I know of it.
Edward Beggs
www.biofuels.ca
Steve Spence posted this link a few
- Original Message -
From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think a better idea than trying to adapt the heater
you have is to either make your own nichrome heat
immersion coil or buy the veg therm from Neoteric
fuels. I will haevmore info on making your own coils
soon..just
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