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Anyone interested? If so, please respond direct to Mr Strassberg, not
to the list or to me or to Journey to Forever. If you make megabucks
out of it, an introduction fee might fit in our woefully emptyish
kitty rather well. g
Keith
From: Edward Strassberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL
While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US Patent
1,704,213, Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of Absolute
Alcohol and scanned it. Anybody want it?
Marc de Piolenc
Iligan, Philippines
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From: Joe Giacomini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Huge Hydrogen Stores Found Below Earth's Crust
Not yet I will try some more experiments in the future. I need a
Kirk,
My understanding of thermodynamics is not at a level
that would allow me to independently evaluate the
potential efficiency of an engine given its design and
running characteristics. According to the following
website, Melvin Vaux apparently improved Bourke's
design and patented his own
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], jmwelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree that much of the grain produced in the world is directly
fed
to livestock and there are advantages and disadvantages here:
advantages:
a)the nutrients found in meat are more available to our bodies than
those found in
The Seven Sisters
The Great Oil Companies and the World They Made
Anthony Sampson
Hodder and Stoughton, 1975, ISBN 0 340 19427 8
Chapter 14 - Part 1
The New Cartel
It's taken OPEC fifteen years to put together an absolutely
magnificent organisation that succeeded in getting world oil
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indeed, see http://www.methane-gas.com
and http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/methane.htm
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Ken Provost wrote:
snip
Seriously, tho, what you're doing is great -- FFAs are basically the
final effluent you
have to deal with after neutralizing everything else. They're fairly
strong herbicides,
so you really don't want to just toss 'em in the compost with the
aqueous phase.
Ken, do you
These sort of crops for producing biofuel have a number of advantages.
They are less energy intensive than corn meaning they don't require as
much fertilizer, pesticide, fuel for tractors, etc. They can be planted
on marginal land, that is, land that isn't suitable for traditional row
crop
For more energy savings, if spoilage is not an issue (i.e. cattle feeding
operation is nearby), stillage does not need to be totally dried to DDGS.
It can be fed only partially dried.
steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
05/01/2002 05:49 AM
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Thanks for the link
Kirk
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From: Eric Schaetzle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Re: [OT] vortex tube and stirling engine
Kirk,
My understanding of thermodynamics is not at a level
that
I would like a copy please,
Greg H.
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From: F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel List biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 07:44
Subject: [biofuel] Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol
While looking for something else, came up
While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US Patent
1,704,213, Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of Absolute
Alcohol and scanned it. Anybody want it?
Marc de Piolenc
Iligan, Philippines
Yes, please, I'll take two! :-)
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Todd Swearingen
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From: F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel List biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 9:44 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol
While looking for something else, came
Keith wrote:
Ken, do you have a handy reference with more info on this? Are all
FFAs herbicides? I know VFAs are generally recognised as phytotoxins,
don't know about other FFAs.
Here's a first stab, not very detailed:
http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/epd/ipm/docs/envirowe/chap8.htm
go to the
I was reading Alek«s 2 stage method today, when it came upon me that maybe, to
a certain degree, we could boost efficiency a little with a related method.
It«s nothing out of this world, but still.
Has anyone ever watched when stirring a solution with undissolved particles
still in it, that
I don't have any hard references on this, but I believe the precipitation
of glycerine from the biodiesel reaction as a separate phase is all that is
required to shift the equilibrium. Whether a glycerine molecule is in a
separate droplet a millimeter away, or a separate bucket six feet away,
This is actually a very good idea. It's used in some very sophisticated
biochemical production processes. You might look into a chemical
engineering unit operations text for further development.
Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
05/01/2002 11:18 AM
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This is correct. I guess centrifugal separation would be a better idea
for continuous processing, as it would allow fresh feed to be introduced.
Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
05/01/2002 11:01 AM
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cc: (bcc: Shaen
Where can I find info on continuous process for BD?
Thanks
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From: Keith Addison
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] what could it be?
Ken Provost wrote:
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Seriously, tho, what you're doing
Sounds logical, (anyway I don«t know if the term phase really applies
here). But it sounds unreasonable to believe the reaction taking place in
the WVO/BD/MeOH layer will have a way of knowing if the layer og glycerin
belw is 1cm, 2cm or a mile deep.
I need to go back to over my books for this
ANYWAY:
1.- Le Chatelier«s Principle: the position of equilibrium always shifts in
such a direction that eases the tension applied on the system
2.- Chemical reactions DO NOT END in the equilibrium, but rather it is at
this point where the speed of the reacion in one way and the other are
Include me on that list as well. Can you post it with Keith? g a
whitson-
-- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US Patent
1,704,213, Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of Absolute
Alcohol and
Anyone interested? If so, please respond direct to Mr Strassberg, not
to the list or to me or to Journey to Forever. If you make megabucks
out of it, an introduction fee might fit in our woefully emptyish
kitty rather well. g
Keith
From: Edward Strassberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL
Using a still to obtain ethyl alcohol as fuel takes a lot of energy.
You need to bring almost to boil ten gallons of liquid to obtain one
gallon of alcohol. There are some sugars in the cooked mash that are
not converted to alcohol and will be discarted. Some one knows a more
efficient
Keith wrote:
Ken, do you have a handy reference with more info on this? Are all
FFAs herbicides? I know VFAs are generally recognised as phytotoxins,
don't know about other FFAs.
Here's a first stab, not very detailed:
http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/epd/ipm/docs/envirowe/chap8.htm
go to the
You'll be removing some methanol too, Christian, don't forget. Which
version of Aleks's method are you using? The updated version has
quite a few changes, and one of them is that the glyc isn't removed
after the acid stage, but it is progressively removed during the
second stage (if your
Include me on that list as well. Can you post it with Keith? g a
whitson-
Hi Gaw, Marc and all
Sure, I could do that. I was just about to say Me too please! Marc,
but this might save you some trouble?
What's the rule? I think you can make a patented something for
experimentation or
Using a still to obtain ethyl alcohol as fuel takes a lot of energy.
You need to bring almost to boil ten gallons of liquid to obtain one
gallon of alcohol. There are some sugars in the cooked mash that are
not converted to alcohol and will be discarted. Some one knows a more
efficient method?.
You can build one for yourself, you just can't build for commerce.
Kirk
Right, thanks Kirk. No problem then.
Keith
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From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:03 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Continuous
You can build one for yourself, you just can't build for commerce.
Kirk
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From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:03 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol
Include me on
Keith:
Thanks back at ya for the composting answer. I'm a city guy these
days, but when I retire to the boondocks I'll be composting and
using a septic tank, so I'm trying to learn about it ahead of time.
The only actual product I've found that uses fatty acids as an
herbicide is called Scythe,
Well, you could always use a solar still, and have free energy. And why
would you discard the mash? That's pretty wasteful. You should be measuring the
sugar content with a sacrometer in the first place so you don't put more in than
will be converted. And then the spent mash is either fed
steve spence wrote:
Gasoline is ~118,000 BTU/gallon
Diesel is ~135,000 BTU/gallon
Ethanol is ~80,000 BTU/gallon
BioDiesel is ~117,000 BTU/gallon
this, btw, is very interesting. take the time to go through it all.
Thaks for the compliment. Anyhow, I just made a mini 1 lt batch and
repeating the BD preparation processs I«m seeing the glyc first produced
still needs a couple of minutes to settle gather up at the bottom. More
miportant still, I had also forgotten the methoxide mixed in it and would be
removed
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was reading Alek«s 2 stage method today, when it came upon me
that maybe, to a certain degree, we could boost efficiency a little
with a related method. It«s nothing out of this world, but still.
Has anyone ever watched when
Some pharmaceutical manufacturers perform separation of continuous
fermentation products in centrifuges. Product leaves centrifuge for
further refining and purification and fermentation medium can be recycled.
motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
05/01/2002 04:33 PM
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They changed the way of measuring octane rating.
Ethyl alcohol was 100 under the old system. Probably a higher number under
the new system.
Optimum compression is just before it detonates.
Race cars ran 13.5 to 1 with alcohol. The more you put your foot in
something the hotter it gets. If racers
Of course!
and if you can't legally... I won't tell.
I'm going to look into this system as well, hopefully it isn't too complicated
or chemically-prohibitive.
-Martin
--- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sure, I could do that. I was just about to say Me too please! Marc,
but this
Marc
I would like a copy of that if you would.
George
-- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US Patent
1,704,213, Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of Absolute
Alcohol and scanned it.
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Marc
I would like a copy of that if you would.
George
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While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US
Patent
1,704,213, Apparatus for the
has anyone in the group produced their own methanol
from wood gas?
regards,roger ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thaks for the compliment. Anyhow, I just made a mini 1 lt batch and
repeating the BD preparation processs I«m seeing the glyc first
produced
still needs a couple of minutes to settle gather up at the bottom.
More
miportant still,
I would like to have a copy of Us patent on Continuous manufacture of
absolute alcohol.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
F. Marc de
Piolenc
I'm also sure that if I could find a backer for that amount, there
will be another hurdle beyond this one.
I'm in a holding pattern now, until after the elections. Depending
on the outcome, I'll determine how to proceed from there.
Until I get this resolved, I am working on other interests
check out http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/fuelcell.htm
Has anyone here any experience with investigating biofuel use in fuel cells?
All I know is that MDTL is very clearly interested in using ethanol in micro
fuel cells. But in the arena of mid-to-large-size fuel cells, I hear very
little about
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