Re: [biofuels-biz] Chem Supplies

2002-06-09 Thread Steven Hobbs
Eric, why not try a hardware shop or a supermarket. You should be able to buy caustic soda or Lye straight off the shelf. It is commonly used as a paint stripper or a drain cleaner. Hope this helps Regards Steven Eric Ruttan wrote: I am unable to secure NaOH or H2SO4 for a test batch of BD. I

[biofuels-biz] Water injection vs. water in fuel

2002-06-09 Thread F. Marc de Piolenc
Basically, the reason for excluding water from diesel fuel - aside from its devastating effect in cold climates - is to prevent corrosion of the injection system. A water mist is helpful in moderating combustion and boosting output under come circumstances, but it, too, must be used with caution

Re: [biofuels-biz] Water injection vs. water in fuel

2002-06-09 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc.
Since rapeseed oil was used to lubricate steam engines, because of its properties of clinging to cylinder walls and resisting being washed off by steam... The crop has undergone a great metamorphosis in quality and production since it was first grown as an emergency war measure on a few acres

Re: [biofuels-biz] DOE Grant

2002-06-09 Thread Shukrainternationals
I came back today and noticed your posting on biofuel site about the result of the application to DOE. It is too bad the application was rejected. My discussions with others after the application was submitted kind of hinted me of the outcome. If you have the confident that this project can be

Re: [biofuels-biz] DOE Grant

2002-06-09 Thread Appal Energy
Camillo, Perhaps under STP business conditions lower gpd biodiesel plants are less profitable than higher volumes. But micro-regional processing generally is a slightly different wildebeast. Once a process is honed to meet ASTM spec, inclusive of meeting all legislative, environmental and safety

Re: [biofuels-biz] DOE Grant

2002-06-09 Thread Appal Energy
David, I'm trying to get a handle on what yesterday's technology is relative to biodiesel manufacture. Esterification and transesterification technologies aren't going to be changing much more in the future than they have in the recent past. And even if a few improvements in CP or catalysts

Re: [biofuels-biz] DOE Grant

2002-06-09 Thread Appal Energy
Chandra, You're discounting the minor detail of market economics called profit. Micro-facilities can be profitable, with or without government assistance. The real trick is how big of a slice does the bank or venture capitalist want and whether or not the investor is willing to honor

Re: [biofuel] water

2002-06-09 Thread Jon
Will water in the fuel damage the engine? As far as a diesel motor goes...It will bugger up the pump if it gets that far.. most of it will get trapped in the filter. Meanwhile quite a lot of people are trying to figure ways of getting MORE water into the fuel. See this, for instance:

Re: [biofuel] Equipment Information

2002-06-09 Thread David
Oh , actually what you call small, is actually minuscule. David At 06:59 PM 8/06/2002 +0900, you wrote: Hi David Me thinks you need to take the time to read what is written on the pages .. then you will find what you went there for.. I don't think so, there is a 125kg/hr expeller there,

Re: [biofuel] Equipment Information

2002-06-09 Thread Keith Addison
Oh , actually what you call small, is actually minuscule. David Uh-huh? Well, if you insist, but I said small, and that's what I meant. Ken's after a kitchen-size press and that might be miniscule, but I'd guess a lot of people would like one of those, as he says, including me. Not too

Re: [biofuel] water

2002-06-09 Thread Keith Addison
Will water in the fuel damage the engine? As far as a diesel motor goes...It will bugger up the pump if it gets that far.. most of it will get trapped in the filter. Meanwhile quite a lot of people are trying to figure ways of getting MORE water into the fuel. See this, for instance:

Re: Fw: [biofuel] Shell buys stake in bioethanol fuel firm Iogen

2002-06-09 Thread Philip Dolan
Greg, Thanks for this - it is the article I was referring to. I work with some people who teach about petroleum engineering and they visit our local Shell refinery (here in Sydney, Australia). I had planned on going with them on the next visit and am interested in what Shell Australia is

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-09 Thread Appal Energy
Motie, You are again using a wide brush and water colors to paint detailed gingerbread trim. The wide brush is all too encompassing and the water color paint doesn't hold up in all conditions. Using one instance in whatever state you describe as the Nanny State still leaves thousands of

Re: [biofuel] Equipment Information

2002-06-09 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc.
The Komet line has one that'll give you the exercise you seek. Hand operated. Does about 10 lbs. Of seed per hour. Cost is about $1700 US delivered to you. (quality never comes cheap). You can press oil out of darn near anything with it - some of them are pretty high value oils

Re: [biofuel] Equipment Information

2002-06-09 Thread Martin Klingensmith
How exactly does it work? Does it just have grinding/pressing wheels that squeeze the hell out of the seed/whatever? --- Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Komet line has one that'll give you the exercise you seek. Hand operated. Does about 10 lbs. Of seed per hour. Cost

Re: [biofuel] water (Keith)

2002-06-09 Thread Christian
Dear Keith, I«d find it very interesting (so as to update my thesis), to get the specifications of ASTM«s new D6751. Please let me know if you have them, and if so, please pass them on. They«d really come in handy. Best wishes, Christian - Original Message - From: Keith Addison

ASTM Flash point was Re: [biofuel] water (Keith)

2002-06-09 Thread Appal Energy
Flash Point: Above 118¼C (ASTM PS121 specifies higher than 100¼C, so I didn«t go much further) The new ASTM D-6751 standard specifies 130 deg C, I don't know why. Germany and Czech specify 110, all others 100. Maybe it's all just politics, the rapeseed vs soy game. Christian and Keith, As

Re: ASTM Flash point was Re: [biofuel] water (Keith)

2002-06-09 Thread Christian
Todd, I«ve just asked Keith, but I just as well might ask you. Could you send me the BD specs as per ASTM D6751? I«m still working with PS121 (which I have), but it seems some values have been revised. Thanks, Christian - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [biofuel] Equipment Information

2002-06-09 Thread Ken Provost
Ed Beggs writes: The Komet line has one that'll give you the exercise you seek. Hand operated. Does about 10 lbs. Of seed per hour. Cost is about $1700 US delivered to you. (quality never comes cheap). You can press oil out of darn near anything with it - some of them are pretty high value

Re: ASTM Flash point was Re: [biofuel] water (Keith)

2002-06-09 Thread Appal Energy
Christian, Here are the specs. Flash point (closed cup): 130*C minimum (150*C average) Water and sediment: 0.050 % by volume, maximum Kinematic viscosity at 40*C: 1.9 - 6.0 mm2/s Sulfated ash: 0.020 % by mass, maximum Sulfur: 0.05 % by mass, maximum Cetane: 47 minimum Carbon residue:

Re: [biofuel] Equipment Information

2002-06-09 Thread Keith Addison
We've never had anything other than sneers and rudeness from you, so it's hard to gauge what your normal press standards would be. I've said what the standards are for most people here, as they've said too, and why they're practical, in the surplus crap you've snipped. And this is your

[biofuel] Re: (Todd)

2002-06-09 Thread Christian
Thanks Todd. I assume all other values the same as PS121? i.e., Sulfur, copper stri corrosion, cloud point, carbon residue, carbon residue (Ramsbottom), Acid nœmber Free glycerin. One question: I tested my carbon residue (closed cup) and it added up to 0,0711% (as opposed to 0,05 specified by

Re: [biofuel] Oil Presses

2002-06-09 Thread Ken Provost
Harmon Seaver wrote: It would really be nice to find some sort of screw mechanism tho, that you could get cheaply (maybe some mil-surplus gizmo?) and built a real screw press. I was going on the same track before trying to figure out a way to make pellets from biomass. The ram presses just

RE: [biofuel] Equipment Information

2002-06-09 Thread kirk
Doesn't oil in the seed store much better? Wouldn't people want a kitchen expeller to avoid the rancid oil that I hear is a health issue? Less than $200 would probably find buyers. Quality juicers are in that price range. Kirk -Original Message- From: Ken Provost [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [biofuel] Re: (Todd)

2002-06-09 Thread Appal Energy
Christian, I don't have PS121 anywhere on file. So I can't say with any certainty anything other than one was the interim standard and 6751 is the final standard. As for carbon residue, it's the measure of the carbon depositing tendencies of a fuel oil, considered to be an approximation. We

[biofuel] Re: Mistake

2002-06-09 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who were curious, the razor wire remark from Ms. Musser below came via www.bridgingthegap.org , which appears to be something akin to a 501 C-3 offshoot of KAB - Keep America Beautiful - Kansas City, Kansas. And I

Re: [biofuel] Equipment Information

2002-06-09 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc.
Been thinking the same thing. Somebody build it. Make it strong, cheap and effective. We'll maybe be interested in then marketing it. Regards, Edward Beggs, BES, MSc http://www.biofuels.ca on 6/9/02 10:24 AM, Harmon Seaver at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 10:08:00AM

[biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-09 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for tax allocation, it sounds as if you're more in favor of a user pays system, as you don't want transportation taxes allocated to transportation sectors other than where they are collected. Even when using such a schedule,

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-09 Thread Appal Energy
Motie, How 'bout just makin' it simple for us poor knee jerk reactionaries whose knees don't work as fast as they used to? Exactly where is it that your trucker buds are getting bled dry and other consumers of road use fuel did not? Seems to me that the industry got off really light for half a

Re: [biofuel] water

2002-06-09 Thread Neil and Adele Craven
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] water Will water in the fuel damage the engine? As far as a diesel motor goes...It will bugger up the pump if it gets that far.. most

Re: [biofuel] water

2002-06-09 Thread Jon
They don't appear to think it will bugger up the pump. Ask any proffessional diesel mechanic what the top 2 things that cause injector pump damage are... they will respond with water and dirt. Why do you think the fuel filters are designed to collect water? If you dont take their word for it..

[biofuel] Okay...Who's the jackal behind the curtain? was Fw: your subscribe request

2002-06-09 Thread Appal Energy
It would seem that this gremlin has re-emerged after a week's dormancy. Seems that as soon as this terminal corresponds with either Yahoo Biodiesel, Biofuels-Biz or Biofuels that it re-emerges in full bloom. Somebody trying to say that I should have stayed on holiday? I'm not too inclined to

Re: [biofuel] Equipment Information

2002-06-09 Thread studio53
Yeah! Let's see some pictures of that thing Jesse Parris | studio53 | graphics / web design | stamford, ct | 203.324.4371 www.jesseparris.com/Portfolio_Jesse_Parris/ - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June

Re: [biofuel] water

2002-06-09 Thread Keith Addison
Neil wrote: - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] water Will water in the fuel damage the engine? As far as a diesel motor goes...It will bugger up the pump if it gets that

Re: [biofuel] Okay...Who's the jackal behind the curtain? was Fw: your subscribe request

2002-06-09 Thread Keith Addison
Todd, that's impossible - Elsevier closed that list down because it was causing us this trouble and they couldn't figure why, it no longer exists. I'll forward this to them, see what they say. Damn. Keith It would seem that this gremlin has re-emerged after a week's dormancy. Seems that as

Re: [biofuel] Equipment Information

2002-06-09 Thread studio53
You are not going to find one for $200, me thinks...that's highly machine (low tolerence) pieces of good quality metal that you're getting. I think maybe just under a $1000 would be interesting. Electric of course, no hand job. Jesse Parris | studio53 | graphics / web design | stamford, ct

[biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-09 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Todd, I'm detecting a hostile undertone that I don't quite understand the basis of. Is it my perception that is faulty? Exactly where is it that your trucker buds are getting bled dry and other consumers of road use fuel

Re: [biofuel] Okay...Who's the jackal behind the curtain? was Fw:your subscribe request

2002-06-09 Thread Appal Energy
Well then, never let it be said that the impossible can't occur!!! [chuckle...chuckle...chuckle, chuckle!!!] Just got a mirror image of the first message at 7:28 PM EST. If only all the other impossibilities of this world would magically appear as easily as this one, eh? Todd - Original

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-09 Thread Appal Energy
What? Me? Hostile? ROFFL...FROFFL... Don't take it too personally Motie. Just the older I get the less sypathies I have. Probably an ingrained response to seeing the remaining half of the pie getting divided into halves yet again too many times and seeing too many self interests jockeying

[biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-09 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What? Me? Hostile? ROFFL...FROFFL... Don't take it too personally Motie. Just the older I get the less sypathies I have. Probably an ingrained response to seeing the remaining half of the pie getting divided into halves

Re: [biofuel] Okay...Who's the jackal behind the curtain? was Fw:your subscribe request

2002-06-09 Thread Keith Addison
Well then, never let it be said that the impossible can't occur!!! It's impossible to join a list that doesn't exist. Elsevier aren't cowboys, they wouldn't screw me around over this. Something else is clearly happening though. Did you try to unsub as instructed? To unsubscribe, send a

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-09 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 18:57 Subject: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks Can I produce Methane from their droppings? Yes. Can they be trained to poop in a sample

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-09 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 10:09:16PM -, motie_d wrote: Perhaps Sports Stadiums should be forced to raise ticket prices by $10 each for a couple of seasons to raise funds to build a new Stadium, Unfortunately, what seems to be happening more and more is the taxpayer is forced to pay

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-09 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 06:36:53PM -0400, Appal Energy wrote: Motie, How 'bout just makin' it simple for us poor knee jerk reactionaries whose knees don't work as fast as they used to? Exactly where is it that your trucker buds are getting bled dry and other consumers of road use fuel

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-09 Thread studio53
That is such a scam. The politicians tried that in Hartford, CT. It got shot down and the NE Patriots tried to sue. Jesse Parris | studio53 | graphics / web design | stamford, ct | 203.324.4371 www.jesseparris.com/Portfolio_Jesse_Parris/ - Original Message - From: Harmon Seaver