[biofuels-biz] small scale testing

2003-04-03 Thread Chris Jude
Hello, I've been working on Aleks Kac's 'foolproof' transesterfication process in a lab here at ASU. I've come up with several good seeming products, but am looking for some good ways for testing the process. I've thought about Thin Layer Chromatography, but I need some data to be able to

[biofuels-biz] DIY PV

2003-04-03 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
Do-It-Yourself Solar Introduces Affordable Power to Developing Countries by Dave Bell , Special Correspondent Even the simplest electrical devices that we take for granted - such as radios and lights - elude many of the rural poor of Haiti and equatorial Africa. Electrification has yet to

[biofuels-biz] [Fwd: FC: Request: Sign on letter on accuracy in FBI's criminal database]

2003-04-03 Thread Kenneth Kron
Thought some of you might be interested in joining as a organizations. Original Message (Please forward until April 6, 2003) - JOINT LETTER

Re: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing

2003-04-03 Thread paul van den bergen
On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 06:53 am, John E Hayes III wrote: bratt wrote: The search for uses for waste--re-cycling--has brought about several new industries. 1. Nuclear medicine 2. Irradiated food. 3. Weapons grade Uranium 4. DU weapons of war. Seems like the search for use of

Re: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing

2003-04-03 Thread paul van den bergen
On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 01:50 pm, Appal Energy wrote: Food Irradiation is a good thing? I wonder how the world survived for so many millions of years prior to its availability? well, mostly by dieing... :-) but I take your point - and it rasies an interesting point too... is our use of

[biofuel] anhydrogenous alcohol

2003-04-03 Thread telemachus002
forgive my ignorance but I see all these explanations of fancy ways to remove the last bit of water from alcohol to attain 200 proof such as using vacuums, corn grits and such. but if the water seperates from a gasoline alcohol mixture and sink to the bottom. couldn't you just wait till it

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread vern_hendershott
Hi Keith, It's well known that CNN and Fox news will give you a slanted, incomplete and unbalanced picture, very much toeing the (war)party line. Yes we both agree that CNN and FOX are not the best source of information and that one always has to check, as best they can, information

Re: [biofuel] anhydrogenous alcohol

2003-04-03 Thread paul van den bergen
huh? there seems to be context missing here if you mean the water in the BD reaction will be excluded from teh BD into the glycerine you are correct. Unfortunately it interferes with teh BD reaction On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 05:08 pm, telemachus002 wrote: forgive my ignorance but I see all

Re: [biofuel] Eliminating Truth

2003-04-03 Thread Andrew Preston
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:12:57 +, Andrew Preston [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 3. A few days ago in Baghdad, a missile struck a market place in Iraq, killing between 55-60 innocent civilians. The 'Coalition' has strenuously suggested that this might have been an Iraqi missile gone astray, and

Re: [[biofuel] anhydrogenous alcohol]

2003-04-03 Thread Tejinder Singh
Alcohol forms Azeotropes with water. Its difficult to get 100% Alcohol. You have to distil it with benzene or some other compound in a process that is known as Azeotropic distillation. Then you have to store it to avoid picking up moisture from atmosphere. telemachus002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [biofuel] anhydrogenous alcohol

2003-04-03 Thread Keith Addison
huh? there seems to be context missing here if you mean the water in the BD reaction will be excluded from teh BD into the glycerine you are correct. Unfortunately it interferes with teh BD reaction Brandon's not talking about biodiesel Paul. On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 05:08 pm, telemachus002

Re: [biofuel] Offensive Interference

2003-04-03 Thread Steve Spence
I was joking, hence the wink. I really don't think my taxes going up will touch you personally one way or another, but there is the butterfly effect. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Vern Hi Keith, It's well known that CNN and Fox news will give you a slanted, incomplete and unbalanced picture, very much toeing the (war)party line. Yes we both agree that CNN and FOX are not the best source of information and that one always has to check, as best they can, information

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/7524 Honesty: The Worst Policy When Telling The Truth Will Get You Fired From The Networks Doug Ireland is a New York-based media critic and commentator. When NBC -- which is owned by General Electric, a prime military-industrial complex contractor --

[biofuel] Mesopotamia. Babylon. The Tigris and Euphrates - Arundhati Roy

2003-04-03 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=40ItemID=3368 Mesopotamia. Babylon. The Tigris and Euphrates Recent Terror War by Arundhati Roy The Guardian April 02, 2003 TERROR WAR On the steel torsos of their missiles, adolescent American soldiers scrawl colourful messages in

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Andrew Preston
Vern Re: The BBC I watch the BBC regularly here in UK. To get some idea of the level of bias both on it, and certainly the other UK terrestrial stations (I don't have access to satellite), I mentally note the frequency of 'us' 'our' 'we' amongst the various presenters, reporters, interviewers,

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread vern_hendershott
Hi Andrew, You make a very good point. It is sad that we all around the world can not get fair and balanced reporting of the news so that the individual can think and form their own thoughts on any given issue. I have found to their credit that BBC does seem to do a better job on issues

RE: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader was Armour - was Dirty Bombing

2003-04-03 Thread kirk
Todd, the problem with war is doesn't need two parties who agree to fight. All it takes is an aggressor and you acquiesce or you fight -- the question being is your freedom worth fighting for? Better armor means I can survive his attack. Just the logical extension of the untenable position

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Andrew Preston
Re: Censorship... Funny, I've been trying all week to access the new Al Jazeera english language site.. http://english.aljazeera.net without success. I was aware that the site had been the subject of repeated hacker, and denial of service attacks, sI hadn't taken a close look at the error

RE: [biofuel] FYI, North America about to get a 25MPG V-10 Diesel from VW

2003-04-03 Thread Ryan Morgan, Aerials Express
Rumor has it the VW Eurovan is slated for a 6 cylinder TDI and the microbus will hopefully get the same 4 cylinder we are currently enjoying. -Original Message- From: Mark Foltarz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:12 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:

Re: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing

2003-04-03 Thread bratt
Paul: The safety of innovations, such as irradiated foods, is always based upon the opinion of the corporate spokesman, or his hired hand in government. The corporate mouth monkeys tell you what a safe level is, others say none is safe. Liver Cancer: Danger of Radiolytic Products in

[biofuel] Irradiated food -was dirty bombing

2003-04-03 Thread kirk
http://www.mercola.com/article/Diet/irradiated/irradiated_research.htm The Problems with Irradiated Food: What the Research Says In the course of legalizing the irradiation of beef, chicken, pork, fruit, vegetables, eggs, juice, spices and sprouting seeds -- a process that has spanned nearly 20

[biofuel] safe food?

2003-04-03 Thread Kim Garth Travis
I think it is time for me to get on my soapbox again. It is illegal to use self slaughtered meat at a public feeding, since my meat has not been inspected. Yesterday I went to walmart to buy ground beef for a meeting for our fire department. All of the meat on the counter, was prepackaged,

RE: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader was Armour - was Dirty Bombing

2003-04-03 Thread Bryan Brah
Maybe if we all just sat down together and sang Kumbaya everything would be OK. Yeah right! Like it or not, war is an integral part of the human condition. As long as people have something that others want, there will be war. The easiest solution to eliminate war would be a One-World

Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader Armour

2003-04-03 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 06:44 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader was Armour - was Dirty Bombing Oh goodie goodie joy joy! We now have a best part when it comes to killing people

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Andrew Al-Jazeera's English site seems to have been taken offline following the hacking - I got there once, not again. Same message as you got. Hm. Anyway, there's these: http://www.cursor.org/aljazeera.htm Cursor's Al-Jazeera Link Interesting home page too: http://www.cursor.org/

RE: [biofuel] FYI, North America about to get a 25MPG V-10 Diesel from VW

2003-04-03 Thread Mark Foltarz
Would you happen to have any links to the actual motor specifications? I like the little '82 1.6L diesel in my VW pickup. However, a similar motor in a van is a miserable combination! - way too slow for driving on the interstate! As I prepare to give my type IV engine a new home, I am preparing

Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader Armour

2003-04-03 Thread Keith Addison
Greg I find your comparisons not very comparable. And I'm not the only one. Nor is this guy the only other one. http://www.TomPaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/7431 Opposing War Is Not 'Appeasement' An Interview With Stephen Walt, Harvard University Natasha Hunter is associate editor at TomPaine.com.

Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader was Armour - was Dirty Bombing

2003-04-03 Thread bratt
Funny thing about this assinine concept of Global Communism, that is staring you in the face, and it isn't the rich have nations giving to the poor havenots. It is the rich have nations plundering the havenots, right in your face live on CNN, today, as every day for decades past. If you

RE: [biofuel] FYI, North America about to get a 25MPG V-10 Diesel from VW

2003-04-03 Thread Ryan Morgan, Aerials Express
You can find just about everything at: www.tdiclub.com Cheers! -Original Message- From: Mark Foltarz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:56 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] FYI, North America about to get a 25MPG V-10 Diesel from VW Would

Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader Armour

2003-04-03 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: bratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:07 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader Armour The use of WW2 as an example is quite laughable. Half of Europe was plunged into slavery under Communist rule by

RE: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader was Armour - was Dirty Bombing

2003-04-03 Thread kirk
And biofuels can raise the quality of life. Decentralized resources are necessary for freedom because when someone else has monopolistic control over any facet of your existence you will sooner or later be exploited by that other. The problem is what we believe -- and obviously some people

Re: [Re: [biofuel] Biofuel business in developing countries is published]

2003-04-03 Thread Tejinder Singh
what would Bio Diesel cost? Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Attachment:Ê MIME Type:Êmultipart/alternative - Hi Hakan, sorry about the delay, but I got busy preparing a

Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader Armour

2003-04-03 Thread Darryl McMahon
Greg wrote: snip I'm not willing to trade my freedom for peace, we saw what happens with WW2 when that is done. It sounds like you would have rolled over and said Well at least we have peace and everyone is alive, when Hitler started marching. I think that would have changed when he

Re: [biofuel] Biofuel business in developing countries is published

2003-04-03 Thread Darryl McMahon
Hi Hakan, sorry about the delay, but I got busy preparing a presentation that I gave last night on the Hydrogen Economy. Sadly, the overhead projector promised was not available, so it made for a rather dry and awkward evening, at least until the question and answer session, which was quite

Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader was Armour - was Dirty Bombing

2003-04-03 Thread Appal Energy
Nothing like a defeatist and self fulfilling prophecy. Your logic is as self defeating and prophetic as well. To paraphrase: We must have war in order to maintain the balance of economic distribution - helping the richer to maintain and gain new riches while the poorerwell.they stay

Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader was Armour - was Dirty Bombing

2003-04-03 Thread Keith Addison
Funny thing about this assinine concept of Global Communism, that is staring you in the face, and it isn't the rich have nations giving to the poor havenots. It is the rich have nations plundering the havenots, right in your face live on CNN, today, as every day for decades past. If you

Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader Armour

2003-04-03 Thread bratt
Obviously, it was the other half of Europe that the US, Britain and Stalin put under Communism at Potsdam, such as East Germany, Hungary, Estonia, Latvia, Czecoslavakia, Lithuania, and Poland. Public school education? Yea, right. France, Germany and the others are under the US control. Not.

Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader Armour

2003-04-03 Thread Greg and April
It was my understanding that Russia ( at the time ) had said that East Germany, Hungary, Estonia, and the others would go return to self rule, but then they went back on the agreement ( if they ever meant to keep it in the first place ), starting, what amounted to the beginning of the cold war.

Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader Armour

2003-04-03 Thread Appal Energy
Greg, to kill more of the enemy... - yessiree!!! that's what women, children and a contained government are - an enemy - a threat worth unleashing the firestorm of hell on, rather than deploying all peaceful means first. Not willing to trade your freedom for peace? Is that what the good ole' US

Re: [biofuel] Biofuel business in developing countries is published

2003-04-03 Thread Darryl McMahon
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Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader Armour

2003-04-03 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 12:11 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader Armour Greg, to kill more of the enemy... - yessiree!!! that's what women, children and a contained government

Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader Armour

2003-04-03 Thread Greg and April
Who said any thing about Iraq? I didn't. Allot of people here seem to think I did,when I didn't. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 11:20 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader Armour

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread martin
Andrew Preston wrote: Re: Censorship... Funny, I've been trying all week to access the new Al Jazeera english language site.. http://english.aljazeera.net without success. I was aware that the site had been the subject of repeated hacker, and denial of service attacks, sI hadn't taken a

Re: [biofuel] article on supercritical transesterification

2003-04-03 Thread John E Hayes III
Done. http://www.john-hayes.com/demirba-2003.pdf John Marc de Piolenc wrote: See the following publication for supercritical reaction conditions. Biodiesel fuels from veg.oils via catalytic and non-catalytic supercritical alcohol transesterifications and other methods: a survey. ENERGY

Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader Armour

2003-04-03 Thread Appal Energy
No Greg. Hardly. This conversation would not even exist (at least not here and now) were it not for the present military assault on Iraq. Nor would it exist were it not for the fact that you can't seem to kick your ingrained military training and mindset into low gear. The whole issue of DU was

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Gary Gluyas
I tried the link from New Zealand, and all I got was a blank screen, so you got further than I did! Kiwi Gary - Original Message - From: martin To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq Andrew

Re: [biofuel] Offensive Interference

2003-04-03 Thread Kris Book
April 2, 2003 From Republican Rep. Ron Paul Wars cost money. The president wants $62.409 billion for military activities in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom. That amount is part of the so-called Wartime Supplemental bill that is being hastily put together so that it can be voted on tomorrow

[biofuel] DU in Yugoslavia

2003-04-03 Thread Appal Energy
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Aljazeera English site was Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Appal Energy
Al Jazeera English version - try http://english.aljazeera.net/topics/index.asp?cu_no=1lng=0template_id=1te mp_type=44 This is a relay from http://english.aljazeera.net If you cannot connect, double check your security connections on your web browser. Todd Swearingen - Original Message

Re: [biofuel] Biofuel business in developing countries is published

2003-04-03 Thread Keith Addison
Sorry, that last one was meant to go just to Hakan. Darryl Never mind, it's a good article, worth re-airing. To compound the error, here's the url: http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofueldev.shtml Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Save

Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader Armour

2003-04-03 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 16:30 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader Armour This conversation would not even exist (at least not here and now) were it not for the present military

PLEASE READ THIS - was Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader Armour

2003-04-03 Thread Keith Addison
This message from Greg contained launguage that, while commonplace among Westerners, is highly offensive to many others. It's not the only such case recently. There are people from many different cultures here. Please remember that. English is an extraordinarily rich language, you can express

[biofuel] Bonnie Raitt

2003-04-03 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
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Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader Armour

2003-04-03 Thread Appal Energy
Greg, Let's get it right, since you don't appear to be able to. You jumped on the original DU message like a fly on stink - yours was the very first response to the thread. And not only did you respond, but you attempted to present a distorted disinformationalist's spin on the topic.

Al-Jazeera etc - was Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Keith Addison
* The Qatar-based Al-Jazeera news network's attempts to set up an English-language website were foiled by unidentified U.S.-based hackers who launched a denial-of-service attack. Al-Jazeera is expected to try to relaunch its site in mid-April. The station's reporters also had their press

[biofuel] This is cute....

2003-04-03 Thread Appal Energy
Turn your speakers down first. Nothing more than a bombs bursting in air version of prostelitizing...capitalizing on the mear name of an information agency. Grab your lunch pail before clicking on any hot links. (It will be more full when you leave than when you entered.)

Re: [biofuel] This is cute....

2003-04-03 Thread Appal Energy
- Original Message - From: --- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] This is cute 1. Thou Shalt Not Kill. No fine print. Seems straightforward enough. Break that one, the very first one on the list, you'd think you'd

Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster Deader Armour

2003-04-03 Thread Keith Addison
Who said any thing about Iraq? I didn't. Allot of people here seem to think I did,when I didn't. Come off it Greg - no, you didn't actually say so, but the original context of the thread was Iraq and that was your drift. Deny it if you want, but that's all it is, denial and evasion. Keith

[biofuel] Frontline: War of Occupation

2003-04-03 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl2007/fl200700.htm Welcome to Frontline : Vol. 20 :: No. 07 War of Occupation Cover Story War and resistance by Sukumar Muralidharan Gains and losses by Atul Aneja Interview: with Noam Chomsky by V. K. Ramachandran The war of occupation: by Aijaz Ahmad A range of

[biofuel] Turkey and The US War On Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Keith Addison
See also: Iraq is a trial run Chomsky interviewed by Frontline by Noam Chomsky and VK Ramachandran Frontline India http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl2007/stories/20030411005701000.htm http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=51ItemID=3382 Turkey and The US War On Iraq An Interview

Re: [biofuel] This is cute....or not!

2003-04-03 Thread Kris Book
Does that mean also, that you can't kill in the name of peace? Governments have been slaughtering the young men under their rule for thousands of years by sending them off to war for a just cause. When will the people wake up and see that the rich have succeeded in convincing the inmates to guard

[biofuel] Fwd: Re: [forddiesel] injection pumps and low sulfur diesel

2003-04-03 Thread girl mark
One for Ed Beggs: I'm continuing to look for more info on Ford injection pumps and the problem my roommate and another person had with seizure of their injection pumps on SVO. Here';s an answer that came from the ford diesel list, from a Ford master mechanic, on whether low-sulfur diesel does

[biofuel] Re: anhydrogenous alcohol

2003-04-03 Thread motie_d
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 05:08 pm, telemachus002 wrote: forgive my ignorance but I see all these explanations of fancy ways to remove the last bit of water from alcohol to attain 200 proof such as using vacuums, corn

[biofuel] Re: Offensive Interference

2003-04-03 Thread motie_d
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was joking, hence the wink. I really don't think my taxes going up will touch you personally one way or another, but there is the butterfly effect. Steve Spence I just finished writing out the Checks for my Federal

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Doug Foskey
On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 01:35, you wrote: Re: Censorship... Funny, I've been trying all week to access the new Al Jazeera english language site.. http://english.aljazeera.net without success. I was aware that the site had been the subject of repeated hacker, and denial of service attacks, sI

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread greg
makes you wonder why iraq kicked out some of there reporters -Original Message- From: martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq Andrew Preston wrote: Re: