Re: [biofuel] Re: Fuel-hungry China goes far afield to secure oil
Hi apparently there is a thread in the biovuel group about the prisners we have in cuba (Gitmo) I thought you might enjoy pretty heavy stuff for a bunch of grease monkeys. On Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004, at 12:29 US/Eastern, John Hayes wrote: Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: And just so we don't start getting puffed up here in the states (about german concentration camps) ed. we need to remember that we had concentration camps for the Japanese here and we considered them completely legal. Pick your enemy, persecute them and lock them up. Sad commentary on we humans. Umm. No. We did it, but it wwas *NOT* considered legal. In Ex Parte Endo, Mitsuye Endo first complied with the internment order, then filed a writ of habeas corpus against this illegal detainment. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in favor of Endo on Dec. 18th, 1994 and ordered Endos release; shortly thereafter, the U.S. government ended Japanese American interment. Specifically, in the majority opinion Justice Douglas wrote A citizen who is concededly loyal presents no problem of espionage or sabotage. Loyalty is a matter of the heart and mind, not of race, creed, or color. He who is loyal is by definition not a spy or a saboteur. When the power to detain is derived from the power to protect the war effort against espionage and sabotage, detention which has no relationship to that objective is unauthorized. Moreover, in a concuring opinion Justice Murphy added: I join in the opinion of the Court, but I am of the view that detention in Relocation Centers of persons of Japanese ancestry regardless of loyalty is not only unauthorized by Congress or the Executive but is another example of the unconstitutional resort to racism inherent in the entire evacuation program. As stated more fully in my dissenting opinion in Korematsu v. United States, ante, p. 233, racial discrimination of this nature bears no reasonable relation to military necessity and is utterly foreign to the ideals and traditions of the American people. Thus, while we may have done it, it most decidedly was *NOT* legal. Cheers. John Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links First they came for the hackers. But I never did anything illegal with my computer, so I didn't speak up. Then they came for the pornographers. But I thought there was too much smut on the Internet anyway, so I didn't speak up. Then they came for the anonymous remailers. But a lot of nasty stuff gets sent from anon.penet.fi, so I didn't speak up. Then they came for the encryption users. But I could never figure out how to work PGP anyway, so I didn't speak up. Then they came for me. And by that time there was no one left to speak up. Alara Rogers, Aleph Press [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Solar to Noncarbon Fuels Other Than H2
x-charset ISO-8859-1 Hi Ken, Any idea what the energy content is of a kg of hydrazine would be? -Bruce *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:28:28 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Gotberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Solar to Noncarbon Fuels Other Than H2 Hi Murdoch, Greg, and April Hydrazine is a liquid at normal temps (mp 2C, bp 113C) and while no longer used as a rocket booster fuel, it is used for positioning/microcontroller jets. The technology is fairly developed now and could make sense as an earthbound vehicle fuel. Nitrogen compounds are used in explosives due to high energy/power densities and Im not sure how big a potential problem this is, perhaps on the same order as H2 without the storage problems. People developing rockets face the same problems as, more so, trying to get the most useful energy out of a fuel with the least amount of mass. Noncarbon fuel alternatives at this juncture are in electric storage (batteries, ultracapacitors,?), mechanical storage in things like flywheels, and various fuel cells. Probably others that list members may know about. One more possibility to look at and N2 is available everywhere, ~800,000 ppm in the atmosphere versus ~350 ppm for CO2 used in biofuels. There are other nitrogen fuels besides hydrazine that may also be potential candidates. Heres a link to rocket fuels And about hydrazine http://www.astronautix.com/props/hydazine.htm Fuel: Hydrazine. Fuel Density: 1.01 g/cc. Fuel Freezing Point: 2.00 deg C. Fuel Boiling Point: 113.00 deg C. Hydrazine (N2H4) found early use as a fuel, but it was quickly replaced by UDMH. It is still used as a monopropellant for satellite station-keeping motors. Hydrazine marketed for rocket propellant contains a minimum of 97 per cent N2H4, the other constituent being primarily water. Hydrazine is a clear, water-white, hygroscopic liquid. The solid is white. Hydrazine a toxic, flammable caustic liquid and a strong reducing agent. Its odour is similar that of ammonia, though less strong. It is slightly soluble in ammonia and methyl-amine. It is soluble in water, methanol, ethanol, UDMH, and ethylenediamine. Hydrazine is manufactured by the Raschig process, which involves the oxidation of ammonia to chloramine, either indirectly with aqueous sodium hypochlorite or directly with chlorine, and subsequent reaction of chloramine with excess ammonia. Raw materials include caustic, ammonia, and chlorine; these are high-tonnage, heavy chemicals. The cost of anhydrous hydrazine in drum quantities in 1959 was $ 7.00 per kg. The projected price, based on large-scale commercial production, was expected to be $ 1.00 per kg. Due to environmental regulations, by 1990 NASA was paying $ 17.00 per kg. Best regards, Ken Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] more reactor design plans
here's a link to a photo log of another reactor I just built with some Biofuel list members. It also contains a (perhaps confusing?) description of some pressure issues I've had with sealed reactors: http://www.veggieavenger.com/avengerboard/viewtopic.php?t=377 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Breakthrough Purports Answer to Global Warming
Hi Bob This looks silly to me as well and came across it while doing a google news search for global warming, about 1,600 hits with all manner of things presented. Regards, Ken this seems very silly, at least in thermodynamic terms. I don't care what magical process you use it requires just as much (actually more) energy to to reduce carbon dioxide to carbon as you get from oxidizing it in the first place. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Solar to Noncarbon Fuels Other Than H2
Hi Bruce Here's a link with info about hydrazine. Ken http://www.asi.org/adb/04/03/09/hydrazine-info.html ...Chemical Properties Hydrazine is a powerful reducing agent. It is attractive as a reducing agent due to its high hydrogen content, and friendly by-product of nitrogen. It will reduce a number of important metal salts to the element, including silver and nickel. Producing 148.6 kcal/mol in its oxidation reaction, hydrazine has an impressive affininty for oxygen: N2H4 + O2 = N2 + 2 H2O It is used in this capacity to remove oxygen from boiler systems, and as an additive to many substances to prevent oxidative deterioration... --- Bruce Crowder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ken, Any idea what the energy content is of a kg of hydrazine would be? -Bruce *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:28:28 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Gotberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Solar to Noncarbon Fuels Other Than H2 Hi Murdoch, Greg, and April Hydrazine is a liquid at normal temps (mp 2C, bp 113C) and while no longer used as a rocket booster fuel, it is used for positioning/microcontroller jets. The technology is fairly developed now and could make sense as an earthbound vehicle fuel. Nitrogen compounds are used in explosives due to high energy/power densities and Im not sure how big a potential problem this is, perhaps on the same order as H2 without the storage problems. People developing rockets face the same problems as, more so, trying to get the most useful energy out of a fuel with the least amount of mass. Noncarbon fuel alternatives at this juncture are in electric storage (batteries, ultracapacitors,?), mechanical storage in things like flywheels, and various fuel cells. Probably others that list members may know about. One more possibility to look at and N2 is available everywhere, ~800,000 ppm in the atmosphere versus ~350 ppm for CO2 used in biofuels. There are other nitrogen fuels besides hydrazine that may also be potential candidates. Heres a link to rocket fuels And about hydrazine http://www.astronautix.com/props/hydazine.htm Fuel: Hydrazine. Fuel Density: 1.01 g/cc. Fuel Freezing Point: 2.00 deg C. Fuel Boiling Point: 113.00 deg C. Hydrazine (N2H4) found early use as a fuel, but it was quickly replaced by UDMH. It is still used as a monopropellant for satellite station-keeping motors. Hydrazine marketed for rocket propellant contains a minimum of 97 per cent N2H4, the other constituent being primarily water. Hydrazine is a clear, water-white, hygroscopic liquid. The solid is white. Hydrazine a toxic, flammable caustic liquid and a strong reducing agent. Its odour is similar that of ammonia, though less strong. It is slightly soluble in ammonia and methyl-amine. It is soluble in water, methanol, ethanol, UDMH, and ethylenediamine. Hydrazine is manufactured by the Raschig process, which involves the oxidation of ammonia to chloramine, either indirectly with aqueous sodium hypochlorite or directly with chlorine, and subsequent reaction of chloramine with excess ammonia. Raw materials include caustic, ammonia, and chlorine; these are high-tonnage, heavy chemicals. The cost of anhydrous hydrazine in drum quantities in 1959 was $ 7.00 per kg. The projected price, based on large-scale commercial production, was expected to be $ 1.00 per kg. Due to environmental regulations, by 1990 NASA was paying $ 17.00 per kg. Best regards, Ken __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Ford attacked on fuel policy
http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0402/06/c01-57178.htm California-based Blue Water Network spearheaded this ad campaign in response to Ford's pledge in 2000 to improve SUV fuel economy. [...] Ford pledged in July 2000 that the company would improve the fuel economy of its SUVs by 25 percent over five years. General Motors Corp. and DaimlerChrysler AG made similar pledges soon afterward. [...] The fuel economy of Ford's light truck lineup was 20.3 mpg for the 2002 model year, the last year for which the government has published complete data. Under federal regulations, an automaker's fleet of light trucks must average 20.7 mpg in the 2004 model year. That requirement will rise to 22.2 mpg by 2007. Cars must average 27.5 mpg. You can reach Jeff Plungis at (202) 906-8204 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] At the time of the 2000 pledges, I tried doing some of the math. I think the 25 percent improvement that Ford pledged was the bare minimum or close to it, and that this came out within a tenth of a gallon. I recall doing the math, and I was surprised to find that the pledge that Ford was making was not some huge ambitious thing to be proud of so much as the bare legal requirement. I'm not sure if anyone has ever officially seconded these calculations or publicly taken notice of the matter. Ford's pledge was *nothing* so far as I could see. They were doing basically what all of us do every year about this time, which is drag our time, kicking and screaming, to comply with the law and take our legally required actions. I therefore came to see it as naive to put much stock in Bill Ford's environmentalist credentials. This is not to say that he hasn't convinced himself that he means well. I just mean that I did not and do not foresee making mileage or environmental precaution, a priority any time soon. He's made it pretty clear, explicitly, that there are other priorities for the company. Sure, Environmental PR seems to be a big priority, but the underlying environmental effort seems to be a priority only insofar as it's easier to do PR if there's a grain of truth left in it. Ford's modest mileage efforts (alongside their failure to oppose the market-skewing anti-competitive tax breaks for the purchase of giant gas guzzlers) does not address the issue of fuel-types. The only fuels that can power new Ford Vehicles are fossil fuels. The only exception is that E-85 can power a Ford Flex-Fuel Vehicle and B100 could power a Ford Diesel (though I don't know if Ford has lifted a finger to maker an effort to help keep such vehicles under warranty if B100 is used). Also, Ford conspicuously cancelled the Think City EV program despite evidence of demand (including the fact that when I went for a Test Drive, to do an article, there were none on the lot because the dealer had leased every one out). Such vehicles as the Think City get excellent mileage per gallon equivalent and if they were sold by the Automakers, and included in mileage calculations, I think they could provide some excellent help in making their CAFE-required mileage numbers. But, apparently, the Automakers are so completely against making available a non-fossil-fuel-powered vehicle that they will not make the effort to fight to have such vehicles included in the CAFE mileage calculations (I don't know if they are basically because such vehicles have never been made widely available) and then take advantage of the good mileage to help meet these supposedly problematic CAFE requirements. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Rope curtains was: First aid for house owners.
I went and saw some more examples myself. Shades and blinds do seem to be given ratings such as R Value (keeping the heat in) and some sort of Solar Coefficient (the lower the better, for keeping the solar heat out when not wanted), as well as a person having to define how much opacity they want. Hunter Douglas had their own battery-powered device (rather than just sending them to a third party like Insolroll), so I guess there's more than one way to do the powered-shade thing. I can second your pricey-side conclusion. On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:39:44 -0700, you wrote: I have seen these or something like these, at a local home and garden show, and they could be set up to open and close automatically, depending on the time of day ( I think that they were working on a controller that worked with a light sensor, shutting them after the light reached a certain brightness or darkness ). They are very secure, and on the pricey side. Greg H. Subject: Re: [biofuel] Rope curtains was: First aid for house owners. I found these: http://www.insolroll.com/rolling/index.html which advertise that they are European Style Shutters. It occurrs to me that, with the sort of motorization this company provides (generally they tell me their thing is motorization of other people's shades), one could try to program a computer to open and shut the screens and shades and shutters for maximum energy rejection or retention, depending on time-of-year factors, weather-detected-that-day, desired lighting by the home occupant, etc. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] SVO/diesel mix in Calgary diesel vehicles
x-charset ISO-8859-1 Fast food aroma replaces toxic whiff of diesel fumes Monday, February 09, 2004 Kent Spencer The Province http://www.canada.com/search/story.html?id=0ee1d616-8107-40df-b4de- f3de1da2bc75 Some drivers are feeling better about foul-smelling diesel trucks after toodling around in ones powered by french-fry grease. The pilot project in five Lower Mainland cities takes recycled grease from fast-food restaurants and mixes it with diesel. Its supporters, including City of Richmond vehicle fleet manager Ken Fryer, cite a study which found the fuel cuts harmful emissions by 24 per cent. Alternative fuels is who I am. We believe in this stuff, says Fryer, 49, who has dabbled in natural gas-powered cars and new combustion systems since his days as a college student in Ontario. We want to do our part for the environment. Fryer manages a fleet of 500 vehicles, including loaders, forklifts, garbage trucks, street cleaners, pickups. The five Lower Mainland cities -- the others are Vancouver, Burnaby, Delta and North Vancouver City -- are testing the viability of bio- fuels. The fuel aims to make diesel more environmentally friendly by adding used cooking oil, animal fats and/or oils from grains such as canola and soybean. The smell of french fries is a little added bonus for truck drivers used to inhaling toxic diesel fumes. The guys say it smells of french fries after it burns, says Fryer. That's a lot better than diesel. All that rotten, gucky stuff is gone. Adds Delta fleet manager Curtis Rhodes: The truck smells like a McDonald's kitchen. People chuckle about it because diesel fumes can be horrible. They'd sooner smell food. Ian Thomson of North Vancouver's Canadian Bio Fuels Corp. says it works because the diesel is a pressure-ignited machine designed to run on vegetable oil. Rudolf Diesel invented the engine 110 years ago to run on vegetable oil so farmers could be self-sufficient, he says. It burns hotter than diesel and combusts more completely. The Enivronmental Protection Agency in the U.S. -- where bio-fuel is used in 300 fleets -- shows a 24-per-cent reduction in most harmful chemicals. The B-20 fuel is mixed up in a ratio of 20 per cent bio and 80 per cent diesel. In the Lower Mainland, tests are being carried out on two vehicles per municipality: dump trucks as well as heavier street cleaners. The results will be scientifically measured for tailpipe emissions and presented as a report. Problems preventing widespread adoption are availability and price. The bio-fuel has to be shipped from California, resulting in a cost up to 10 cents per litre more than diesel's 70 cents a litre. But Thomson plans to produce bio-diesel locally, using a process in which the raw ingredient is treated with alcohol. We're trying to make it a viable business, he says. Fryer says the saving in noxious chemicals from the city's 50 heavy trucks would be huge -- they burn 2.3 million litres of diesel a year. But he admitted the public has to buy into the higher costs associated with the project. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.canada.com/search/story.html?id=0ee1d616-8107-40df-b4de- f3de1da2bc75 Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Send the freshest Valentine's flowers with a FREE vase from only $29.99! Shipped direct from the grower with a 7 day freshness guarantee and prices so low you save 30-55% off retail! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_iAw9B/xdlHAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Global Warming Alarmists Are the Ones Filled with Hot Air
x-charset ISO-8859-1 If you stopped reading thereas most of the knee-jerk, junk scientists doyoud be terribly misled. NASA has been monitoring the temperature of the lower layers of the atmosphere since 1979. Since this encompasses the same last 20 years of the National Academy of Sciences report of a particularly strong warming trend, certainly balloon measurements in the atmosphere should support this postulate. What the data shows is not warming but cooling: I found this essay no more useful than most others. Probably a little less useful, because the author starts off with this skepticism as to the cold spell in the Northeast and whether this can be held consistent with the emergence of any sort of global warming. For years, if not decades, I've heard that Global Warming theory predicts a temporary localized cooling in some areas including North America, and an increase in extreme weather events. I don't know if the modelers have been correct in these definitions of a global warming model, nor if those events are coming true, but the it's cold so global warming can't be happening argument doesn't seem to be sufficiently aware of basic theory. What I want to say is this: Many of us in this and other discussion groups have a strong interest in Earth Science if for no other reason than we find it darn fascinating. But I've come to this partial working-idea on Global Warming, that even if I consider myself to be a decent (if often-wrong) armchair science-follower, I think global warming questions are tough ones, and the haughty what this shows overly-confident conclusions of this fellow amateur are not wortwhile. They fail to show proper respect for the difficulty of the questions, and the apparent preponderance of opinion of serious disinterested (politically) scientists who just want to try and help themselves and us understand what's really happening to the Earth, its climate, etc. To try and understand such matters in a serious way is to have respect for the complexity of the matter, in my view. I've been thinking about the fact that we seldom if ever see much mention of the great CFC-Ozone debate that took place, and the fact that there *was* a cooperative global action that has taken place to try to correct this disputed (by some, at the time and perhaps now) problem. Could we have afforded to wait any longer? Not in my view, and evidently not in the view of enough other people so that we took action. Has the action taken proven to have been useful? So far as I know. I think the hope is that, over the years, we'll continue to see evidence come in that we did the right thing. But I just don't hear that many folks claiming that they would have preferred that we do nothing, or that they would have preferred that we all ignore the serious scientists who did indicate they thought a problem might arise and listen only to the serious scientists who thought that a problem mightn't arise. Now, the CFC-Ozone problem seemed a bit easier to predict and identify and nail down and try to do something about it. The assertions of CO2-linked and other-chemical-linked Global warming seem harder to implement a precautionary principle process if only because of the relatively greater (seeming) complexity and attendant uncertainty that we may associate with complexity. But I've just been meaning to point out that the Ozone-CFC actions, however imperfect, seem to have worked out a little. Why aren't they regarded as more of a precedent-setting baby-step... helping us have confidence that if we take specific actions to remediate-in-advance with respect to Global Warming, we might well turn out to thank ourselves that we did the right thing? The lower [troposphere] data are often cited as evidence against global warming, because they have as yet failed to show any warming trend when averaged over the entire Earth. The lower stratospheric data show a significant cooling trend In addition to the recent cooling, large temporary warming perturbations may be seen in the data due to two major volcanic eruptions: El Chichon in March 1982, and Mt. Pinatubo in June 1991. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Send the freshest Valentine's flowers with a FREE vase from only $29.99! Shipped direct from the grower with a 7 day freshness guarantee and prices so low you save 30-55% off retail! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_iAw9B/xdlHAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your
