Ok, if you can brew your own this is a solution as well.
Get organized and do it.
Regards
Burak
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Hello;
22mpg diesel cost less than same amount of gasoline so you save some.
BUT, May I ask why do you need a Hummer sized expedition machine?
Except USA such large cars or SUV's are out of our shopping list anyway.
The cost and running expenses do not justify them.
I like going offroad.
Yes, old methanol is always a problem.
Both for speedway racers and for biodiesel producers.
With best regards
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Theresa Sims
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Hello Ken,
Many thanks for posting the research. I´ve downloaded it and will consume it this weekend.
Tom Irwin
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I’ll
Hi Todd,
You are such a hairsplitter. Big government orbig corporate agribusinesses they ane now synonyms at least in the G8 world. I know your just endeavoring to be accurate.
Big Smile,
Tom Irwin
From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 09
From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 19:39:25 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The myths of HiroshimaHi Keith,You misinterpret my suspician. My suspician is that the site is blocked from me. I work at an embassy school and will try
Tom,
Government is business. But not necessarily or precisely going about the
same business of any specific special interest businesses. More to the
tune of going about the business of all business.
How many times have you found yourself in the middle of a Freudian slip,
such as In this
Hi all, i own a landrover disco tdi and get 980km on a tank 85l but on the
motorbike which use petrol 19km/l my question,where
are the tdi motorbikes,diesel cars are lighter than petrol cars,so diesel bikes
will also be,is 40km/l reachable?
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Does anyone tell me how long Biodiesel will keep
after production.
Can someone clarify the final filter process after
production. Some say 5 microns some say 10. Mike pelly's recipe dosn't seem to
say anything about it? And how long should it stand or can you pour it straight
in?
Cheers Ian
Hi Todd,
Thanks for your answer.
I have never had any good results with acid/base reactions, so my question
is, can I also make BD from the FFA's with the single base reaction ?
Thanks again in advance.
Met dank en vriendelijke groet,
Pieter Koole
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From: Appal Energy
so my question is, can I also make BD from the
FFA's with the single base reaction ?
No.
But you can run the recovered FFAs in an single tank, IDI system. The viscosity
is low enough. You just won't be able to run any saturated FFAs (palm, coconut,
hydrogenated and animal fat), as they
Very interesting. I have also been wondering about ways to add energy
to make the reaction go. One thing I was considering was ultraviolet
light. Anybody on the list have any knowledge or ideas about this?
Joe
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Hi There:
The following US patent offers making
Hi Keith,
You misinterpret my suspician. My suspician is that the site is
blocked from me. I work at an embassy school and will try again at
home.
Sounds most improbable.
Actually quite probable considering I was there as the school
was built and the computing and
Hello Ian,
if treated with anti-oxidizing agents, and
produced from oil with a moderate peroxide number, the biodiesel should be
consumed within three months.
10 microns is a normal filter size for
diesel engines, unless equipped with a common-rail system. So, filtering at 10
microns is
I have seen ultrasonic (microwave) at
http://tinyurl.com/8cad7 --in the reactor
and
http://tinyurl.com/bo3by -- in an exit tube from the reactor
both produce glycerine byproduct.
There are a couple of these producers out there who raised there hands
a while back but I cannot find the post
Dance w/ the Devil... :-)
rich wrote:
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I'm in. Where do I send my check?
Tom Irwin wrote:
Hi all,
IMHO you get together with other Heirloom farmers and sue the seed
companies first for contaminating your stock of unmodifed seeds.
Make it a big class action
About $4,000 for the testing - so it only makes sense if you have a very
large quantity of fuel.
The equipment to test it runs around $75,000, plus someone who knows how
to do it. Don't forget that you will owe federal and probably state tax
on anything that passes your fuel filler - even if
Greetings Todd,
I agree with you almost entirely. Occassionally the elctorate gets a group of anti business folks into power that enact things like anti-trust laws to curb the worst excesses of business. This hasn't happened for a number of years but I remain the starry eyed idealist that it
I have the same car with some mods - it's stick and gets 46 or so on the
hwy with dino and 42-43 w/ BD. It runs better on BD but the mileage
does drop off.
Jason Schick wrote:
I have a 2002 VW Jetta TDI which I have been running on Soy Biodiesel for
6000 miles. It is an automatic so my
the only difference between this procedure and the usual method is the
way you heat the mixture; that is, using microwaves substitutes for
heating by other methods.
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I have seen ultrasonic (microwave) at
http://tinyurl.com/8cad7 --in the reactor
and
That's what a lot of people don't understand. If you haven't worked in
the Gov't it doesn't make much sense. I was just telling someone that
the latest IRS IT fiasco is actually not a failure in the eyes of the
Gov't workers - only one person got fired, the FTE's got paid and the
contractors
Not long. It's like coffee beans - need to keep turning over yout
stock. I have heard - anecdotally - a year under perfect conditions.
Less if conditions are bad.
How are you storing it?
Ian Theresa Sims wrote:
Does anyone tell me how long Biodiesel will keep after production.
Can
I think our president made our position clear:
The American way of life is not negotiable.
I personally feel I need a huge SUV for my lifestyle. Why, just the
other day I drove my V10 Excursion to WalMart to get a pencil. I could
have walked, but that's not The American Way. I
UV light ?
To destruct ( or help oxidise) molecules, how is that helpfull?
Bruno M.
~~
At 14:53 10/08/2005, Joe wrote:
Very interesting. I have also been wondering about ways to add energy to
make the reaction go. One thing I was considering was ultraviolet
light.
On Tuesday 09 August 2005 23:11, rich wrote:
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[...]
Hi Rich- I believe grass roots seed banks and seed exchanges already
exist.
[...]
Where would I find such seed banks? Any online references?
In the UK, at least, one of the better known heritage seed libraries is
i think so as well, i'm afraid. if they can seriously pursue projects like
Total Information Awareness without compunction, then filtering the
telecommunications of a governmental property would be like, at the autonomic
nervous
system level.
what do you do at the school, tom? teacher?
sheesh, this is so not true. we just recently had a thread along precisely
these lines.
it is extremely easy for an employer to terminate an employee. the employer
does not have as much lattitude with a unionized workforce, but even there it
is not nearly as hard to fire someone as is
Rachel's #823: Precaution and Cholera in Peru
9 Aug 2005
^
^ RACHEL'S ENVIRONMENT
HEALTH NEWS #823
http://www.rachel.org
August 4, 2005
^
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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
Potential
There is (apparently) more than one recipe for sterno.
We had a thread going a while back that included a method: calcium
acetate (egg shells and vinegar) with ethanol.
This is from a previous message on ethanol gel:
Keith Addison wrote:
Mix 11 grams of Calcium Acetate with 30 mg of
er, sorry, but were you being sarcastic or serious?
-chris
In a message dated 8/10/05 8:56:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The American way of life is not negotiable.
I personally feel I need a huge SUV for my lifestyle. Why, just the
other day I drove my V10 Excursion to WalMart to
I'm not sure it is that simple. I read the abstract and clearly the
energy is coupled acoustically into the oil. I assume the transducer
they used is similar to the ones found in ultrasonic disrupters used for
breaking cell walls (40 Khz) and megasonic cleaning systems which are
used in the
there's actually a fair amount of activity in this area. try a google search
with the keywords 'diesel' and 'motorcycle', or diesel motorcycle. there's
also some info compiled on the JTF site:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bikes.html
-chris b.
In a message dated 8/10/05 5:57:29 AM,
Howdy Mike,
Mike Weaver wrote:
That's what a lot of people don't understand. If you haven't worked in
the Gov't it doesn't make much sense.
I think it makes sense, government service or not. It is simple self
preservation.
I was just telling someone that
the latest IRS IT fiasco is
Dude. I think he dripped some sarcasm on my shoe.
jh
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er, sorry, but were you being sarcastic or serious?
-chris
In a message dated 8/10/05 8:56:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The American way of life is not negotiable.
I personally feel I need a huge SUV for
Sorry about your shoe. I though I had used all my sarcasm up...
John Hayes wrote:
Dude. I think he dripped some sarcasm on my shoe.
jh
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er, sorry, but were you being sarcastic or serious?
-chris
In a message dated 8/10/05 8:56:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Doesn't sound like you have worked in Government either.and should be
fired!! Most FTE's are very dedicated to doing a good job for the people
served (which includes themselves, who are also taxpayers)but of course
there always are those few afraid of their own shadow or who get put into
I have - or did. I finally quit in frustration. I agree there are some
excellent people in Government. By my guess 40% of the people did 80%
of the work. It drove me nuts. And the people that did work threatened
the ones who didn't! We has a GS15 whose jobs was to watch TV and
instruct
if they offer the diesel in the states, biod users may have a new favorite
small car:
http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=communiquenewsid=9097
-chris b.
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Dale,
I don't mean to deflate your dream, but why do we need the government
beauracracy (of which the UN most certainly is) to guarranty these basic
human rights? Shouldn't that be the responsibility of every person on the
planet to protect his or her basic rights?
It seems to me that be
6sp w/ a diesel!
I want it!
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if they offer the diesel in the states, biod users may have a new favorite
small car:
http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=communiquenewsid=9097
-chris b.
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Greeting Earl,
I'd love to see the U.S. stop meddling in other countries. Any chance you can get them to stop sending their 700 military advisors to the border of Peru and Bolivia with plans to ship a proposed division? While you are at it can you get the governemnet to stop wasting your tax
Hi All,
I think you can forget about that draft crap it just won't sell. The reserves are 25% behind on their recruitment and the army doesn't look like their going to make their yearly goals for a reason. Nobody wants to die or be maimed for oil. There are plenty of other alternatives and
Hi Chris,
This year I teach Environmental Science, Physical Science, Earth Science, Chemistry and Pre-Algebra. It's a small school so we all teach multiple subjects.
Tom
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Draft, we don't need no stinkin' draft:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/01/bush_twins_volunteer/
Tom Irwin wrote:
Hi All,
I think you can forget about that draft crap it just won't sell. The
reserves are 25% behind on their recruitment and the army doesn't look
like their going to
Hi Bruno,
I think you have to break the glycerine off the fat or oil molecule so the alcohol can attach and form an ester plus water. UV light has the capacity to do that splitting and a lot more. it might be a little tricky figuring out the dosage.
Tom Irwin
From: Bruno M. [mailto:[EMAIL
Earl,
Earl wrote: "It seems to me that be requiring wealthy nations to "donate" any portion of their GDP is just another form of socialism, except on a global scale."
Giving it a name (i.e. socialism or ...ism), doesn't explain why you disagree. Pleaseinclude something tosupport your
Tom,
Uh, hate to burst your bubble, but they already are: After two years of
war in Iraq, the United States has suffered more than
13,000 casualties—11,500 wounded and 1,500 dead
*U.S. Readies for Draft*
*/Dave Eberhart, NewsMax.com/*
*/Friday, June 25, 2004/*
Despite denials that
Me too.
Not to mention, has it every really worked out the way we thought it would?
Tom Irwin wrote:
Greeting Earl,
I'd love to see the U.S. stop meddling in other countries. Any chance
you can get them to stop sending their 700 military advisors to the
border of Peru and Bolivia with
Hello Ray, Jesse and all.
Yes, Jesse, busy is a good word for it just now.
OK Ray, by MeOH, you mean methanol right? (CH4OH).
There are indeed race tracks in the Ottawa area. The Ottodrome International
Speedway (Stittsville) and Luskville Dragway come to mind. I have no idea if
they
tell me how long Biodiesel will keep after production.
Keep it in an airtight vessel with only enough head space for thermal
expansion and contraction and it will be sufficient beyond this time
next year. More probably well beyond that. At least long enough for the
fallout to settle, a
I think you miss the point Tom.
It's not anti-trust that is the predominant problem with concerted
business. And anti-trust is almost the least of concerns when you look
at the jigsaw puzzle in its conglomerate whole.
As for remaining starry eyed? If that's what you want, just keep a handy
move over vw tdi?
There is a range of three different engines to choose from: a 1.4-litre
61kW/83 PS petrol unit, a 1.8-litre 103kW/140 PS petrol unit or a
2.2-litre 103kW/140 PS diesel unit. All of them are combined with a
6-speed manual gearbox making the new Honda Civic the first car in
evolve or die
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] move over vw tdi?
move over vw tdi?
There is a range of three different engines
evolve or die
Yupper.
After my experiences this past week, it's apparent that death is always an
option. With semi-predictable frequency, factory guarantees and intermittant
inevitablity.
The sad thing to note? Our stupidity not only excedes us, but will remain long
after those who create
Hi Mike,
Don´t worry you´re not going to burst my bubble. Mid term elections are coming up. I really hope the Republicans try to pass it before those so they can get clobbered in the House.Trying it after the mid term electionsoffers a bit more politically cover but then they lose the house,
Greetings Chris,
I can´t say for sure what the author´s intent actually was. From my limited experience, someWWII analysts thought that the Japanese discussed everything in detail and tried to come to a consensus before acting. It doesn´t seem too far fetched that even Hiroshima would take
Hi Ian and Theresa,
Definitely have to agree with Todd here. I´ve been doing a lot of work making BioD from animal fat. It resolidifies at relatively high temperatures. I left 2 liters in a hood in my lab over winter break. They turn off the heat here cause we rarely get freezing
on 8/9/05 2:34 PM, des at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While researching online re: methanol recovery, and the
current thread on ethanol, I found what seems to be a
great site on everything one would want to know about
the distillation process.
It's at:
Good day!
I have recently started with my biodiesel
project. The process has gone well until after the washing. The pH is at
app 8.5 - 9. This has happened with three test batches.
I have tried the little bit of vinegar
with the first wash.
Can anybody assist? Your constructive
comments will
Thanks Jan
Ian
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From:
Jan Warnqvist
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 7:32
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol
Yes, old methanol is always a problem.
Both for speedway racers and for biodiesel producers.
Hi Mike
Outside in 20L drums
Ian
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From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel
Not long. It's like coffee beans - need to keep turning over yout stock.
I have heard -
Hi Chris, Jacobus
there's actually a fair amount of activity in this area. try a google search
with the keywords 'diesel' and 'motorcycle', or diesel motorcycle. there's
also some info compiled on the JTF site:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bikes.html
Oops... I'm busy preparing
This is a place were a fuel filter heater can come in handy.
Greg H.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 16:44
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel
SNIP
Spec it to10 microns filtration and be happy.
Hi Jan
once again thanks and I will take Your advise re
filter specs.
Ian
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From:
Jan Warnqvist
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:31
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel
Hello Ian,
if treated with
Hello,
Sorry if I start talking about something you are not talking about, because
I did not follow this discussion, but I think I can make up that you try to
solidify ethanol.
You can do that very easy with wallpaperglue ( Carboxyl methyl cellulose ).
Just use ethanol in stead of water and make
Thanks Todd
I've been reading the deacidifying recipe. Do you consider this a good
alternative as it will take out the water with the fats and could it be
usable on ?Normal WVO with lower acid contents
Cheers Ian
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To:
Tom Irwin wrote:
Greetings Chris,
I can´t say for sure what the author´s intent actually was. From my
limited experience, some WWII analysts thought that the Japanese
discussed everything in detail and tried to come to a consensus before
acting. It doesn´t seem too far fetched that even
those are very conservative (not in the right-wing sense) numbers. there are
already close to 1800 killed, and even mcglaughlin--hardly a liberal or a
dove--repeats figures in excess of 25000 for woulded/maimed/incapacitated.
-chris b.
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26 hours ago, I woke up to the sound of our dogs barking. I slept
hard, so she probably gone on for a while. When she would not stop, I
went up to tell her of. She was standing in the front door that was
open, just as much as she could not get out. After looking in my
office, I discovered
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