Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-28 Thread Doug Younker
OK, one more hypocrite in a nation full of them. When I read someone harping about an electric gate, I have to think how much more of the article contains other silly concerns. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

[Biofuel] Building a fraudulent case using coercion

2007-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17184.htm Building a fraudulent case using coercion By Daniel M Pourkesali 02/26/07 ICH --- - Bush administration officials and their Zionist allies in the media are trying hard to portray Iran as a rogue and defiant nation that is thumbing its

[Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time

2007-02-28 Thread D. Mindock
Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others: The Constitution of this Republic should make a special privilege for

[Biofuel] Karl Rove Personally Received (And Ignored) Iranian Peace Offer in 2003

2007-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/26/157241 Democracy Now! | Ex-Congressional Aide: Monday, February 26th, 2007 Ex-Congressional Aide: Karl Rove Personally Received (And Ignored) Iranian Peace Offer in 2003 As Seymour Hersh reports the Pentagon has created a special panel to plan

[Biofuel] India's anti-Iran votes were coerced, says former U.S. official

2007-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.hindu.com/2007/02/16/stories/2007021605671200.htm The Hindu : National : Friday, Feb 16, 2007 India's anti-Iran votes were coerced, says former U.S. official Siddharth Varadarajan `New Delhi should walk away from Iran pipeline project' New Delhi: A former ranking official of the Bush

[Biofuel] Climate Change 'Growing Threat to Society'

2007-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
The largest scientific organization in the US, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, has issued a consensus statement saying global warming is a growing threat to society. From: Boston Globe, Feb. 19, 2007 http://www.precaution.org/lib/07/prn_aaas_warning_on_gw.070219.htm[P

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-28 Thread AltEnergyNetwork
Another tidbit on this I saw on the tube last night, the IRS does not recognise the Tennessee Center for Policy Research as a legitimate organisation. Looks just like another smear campaign. You are right, Keith, AEI, CEI and a long list of cohorts are evil, oil soaked traitors to the planet,

Re: [Biofuel] vanishing honey bees

2007-02-28 Thread frantz Desprez
Kirk McLoren a écrit : ++ | Vanishing Honeybees Will Affect Future Crops | | from the bee-gone dept. | | posted by kdawson on Tuesday February 27, @14:07 (Bug)

Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time

2007-02-28 Thread MK DuPree
D...you first alerted the List to the Real ID Act in connection with Rife enthusiasts. I'm convinced the purposes go far beyond Rife concerns as the Rush quote and you have indicated. Looks like it's way past time for Rush's concern to be implemented. The last amendment to the U.S.

[Biofuel] Climate draft allows spike in oil-sands emissions

2007-02-28 Thread Darryl McMahon
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070226.ENVIRO25/TPStory/ Climate draft allows spike in oil-sands emissions Ottawa low-balling future development, environmentalists say of proposed plan BILL CURRY OTTAWA -- Greenhouse-gas emissions from Alberta's oil sands would be allowed to

[Biofuel] Methane's Impacts on Climate Change May Be Twice Previous Estimates]

2007-02-28 Thread Darryl McMahon
Forwarding from another list. Darryl Original Message Methane's Impacts on Climate Change May Be Twice Previous Estimates http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/methane.html 07.18.05 Even on a cold winter day, standing inside a greenhouse can be downright balmy if

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-28 Thread Chip Mefford
Randall wrote: Terry, BIG SNIP But, I suppose the important and inconvenient truth in this matter is that Al is a politician--period. Actions speak MUCH MUCH louder than words.. Nonsense, they most certainly do not. End of the day, there are hundreds of thousands of folks walking the talk.

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-28 Thread Chip Mefford
Kirk McLoren wrote: If he used the power in his business ok but natural gas lanterns in his yard Those are decorative - if you want light you dont burn a torch. So if he wont curb personal indulgance he doesnt believe what he espouses for the rest of us.. Forget weak flesh - how

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Tallex Another tidbit on this I saw on the tube last night, the IRS does not recognise the Tennessee Center for Policy Research as a legitimate organisation. It's the state's Department of Revenue, apparently not on account of their rightwing ideology but because of their complete lack of

[Biofuel] US's Iraq oil grab is a done deal

2007-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
See also: http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4020 Foreign Policy In Focus Oil Grab in Iraq February 22, 2007 - http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IB28Ak01.html Feb 28, 2007 THE ROVING EYE US's Iraq oil grab is a done deal By Pepe Escobar By 2010 we will need [a further] 50 million barrels

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-28 Thread Fred Oliff
I would like to personally thank all of you in helping to cure my ignorance. From:Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject:Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power UseDate:Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:26:10 +0900Hi Fred

[Biofuel] Germans take pride in local money

2007-02-28 Thread D. Mindock
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6333063.stm Germans take pride in local money By Tristana Moore BBC News, Magdeburg, Germany The next time you venture out for lunch in Magdeburg, check what kind of loose change you have in your wallet. Like any other city in Germany, the normal currency

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-28 Thread Steve Knox
Enough already! We can kick the messenger, but the message is still relevant. By winning the Oscar, An Inconvenient Truth got lots of publicity, and just maybe will help spread the word. Steve - Original Message - From: Fred Oliff To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent:

[Biofuel] Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

2007-02-28 Thread MK DuPree
This was recently posted on Dr. Mercola's website. It is a two part article by Jane M. Orient, MD, executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. This was her banquet address to AAPS 43rd Annual Meeting, Oct. 24, 1986. I agree with the article's message, but know

Re: [Biofuel] Germans take pride in local money

2007-02-28 Thread MK DuPree
Awesome...I sense something perversely wrong with this picture from an Elitist's point of view. Who on the List in Germany can inform us further along these lines, especially if it is allowed to flourish? I know it isn't an ultimate answer, that local production is still the key to local

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-28 Thread Randall
Hello Keith, How do you equate GHGs to overall pollution? I equate GHG's to overall pollution in this instance because Mr. Gore positions himself as an environmental advocate. Granted, most recently, Mr. Gore has spoken almost entirely about Global Warming. I see no reason to limit the

Re: [Biofuel] LED light bulbs

2007-02-28 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Some of them dim -- depends on how the driver circuit is designed. 7W LEDTronics Bright White LED Flood dims -- about $130, and about half the brightness of a 20 watt CFL. LED's lights still have a little ways to go for general area lighting -- I'd say another year or two at current rates of

Re: [Biofuel] Farmer power the key to green advance

2007-02-28 Thread Frank Navarrete
Well Keith, it seems Journey to Forever's prime objective is hitting the news stands. I believe your site probably played more than a small part in the emergence of these ideas. Best, Frank On 2/25/07, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6387975.stm

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-28 Thread Randall
Chip, But, I suppose the important and inconvenient truth in this matter is that Al is a politician--period. Actions speak MUCH MUCH louder than words.. Nonsense, they most certainly do not. Then we can all rest easy...Big Business is going to help...and they care ...At ExxonMobil, we

[Biofuel] A Tale of Two Interventions

2007-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rw/4010 Right Web | Analysis | A Tale of Two Interventions Jim Lobe | February 20, 2007 IRC Right Web rightweb.irc-online.org For several weeks, Washington has been abuzz with rumors that President George W. Bush is preparing to attack nuclear and other sites in

[Biofuel] America's Crusaders

2007-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
Links to profile of the people and groups at the online version. http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rw/4024 Right Web | Analysis | America's Crusaders Tom Barry, IRC | February 23, 2007 IRC Right Web rightweb.irc-online.org Ideology and faith are stirring new calls to arms among

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Randall Hello Keith, How do you equate GHGs to overall pollution? I equate GHG's to overall pollution in this instance because Mr. Gore positions himself as an environmental advocate. Granted, most recently, Mr. Gore has spoken almost entirely about Global Warming. I see no reason to

[Biofuel] Is Washington Being Sidelined on the Middle East?

2007-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rw/4009 Right Web | Analysis | Is Washington Being Sidelined on the Middle East? Leon Hadar | February 20, 2007 IRC Right Web rightweb.irc-online.org Once upon a time, an American president would have been a leader in the effort to bring peace between Israel and

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
Well said Chip! I haven't seen it, but I was wondering when someone would say the movie is a soft sell. It would have to be, wouldn't it? As for whether actions speak louder than words, another case in point is the speech that put environmental issues on the map and on everybody's lips almost

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-28 Thread Randall
Hello Keith, Indeed it is, but the subject under discussion is about global warming, not about general pollution, and I think I agree with Michael Klare about how relevant general pollution issues are to dealing with global warming (not very relevant). It's about energy, not pollution. The

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-28 Thread Zeke Yewdall
On 2/28/07, Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then you would care to share your results? But, my guess (yes, a guess, not a calculation) would be that someone staying local to their home and either seeing a FREE screening of the movie, or seeing it on television would result in lower GHG

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-28 Thread Terry Dyck
Hi Randall, The Live Earth 24 hour concert for Global Warming Awareness is a Live Video conference which will happen on the 7 day, 7 month, 2007. Hope you can forgive Al Gore's 80 year old house, that uses more energy because of it's age, and realize that he is retro fitting that old

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-28 Thread Kirk McLoren
What does this mean, Kirk, it's not very clear: The message is - It isnt really that important. If it were I would do it. That is Gores message. It isnt worth doing. Things worth doing get done. Especially if it is just for ambiance. I can understand keeping the house at 77 instead of

Re: [Biofuel] America's Crusaders

2007-02-28 Thread Jason Katie
Slumbering public, huh? he has no idea what kind of monster he is trying to wake up does he? didnt the golem destroy its creator in the story? he is going to get a large amount of somebody's attention and the results will not be in his favor. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison

Re: [Biofuel] vanishing honey bees

2007-02-28 Thread Jason Katie
i heard about this on the radio about a week ago. i am inclined to agree with the cumulative effects of pesticides namely the herbicides the bees get into while they are out collecting. - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:20

[Biofuel] Poor Cambodians make big gains with organic farming - Vancouver Sun - 2007.02.28

2007-02-28 Thread Darryl McMahon
PHNOM PENH, Cambodia - The story of leap-frog technology is a common one throughout the developing world. Scores of societies are rocketing from isolation -- from conditions, especially in rural areas, that were little better than feudal Europe -- straight into the information age. They're

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
You're flailing about Randall, it's getting quite funny, if only it weren't so downright tedious. Actually, I think the TCPR does believe their message--that doesn't make the message correct...but that also doesn't make some of their facts incorrect, either. But, if that is important that

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-28 Thread Keith Addison
What does this mean, Kirk, it's not very clear: The message is - It isnt really that important. If it were I would do it. That is Gores message. It isnt worth doing. Things worth doing get done. Especially if it is just for ambiance. I can understand keeping the house at 77 instead of opening

Re: [Biofuel] LED light bulbs

2007-02-28 Thread Dawie Coetzee
I'm wondering about the production-scalability angle of LEDs. Incandescents aren't exactly made by craft methods. What is involved in the manufacture of LEDs? Whatever the case, LEDs have the advantage that individual ones are fairly generic. That means that an endless variety of composite

Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time

2007-02-28 Thread Dawie Coetzee
I would broaden that to technological freedom. With apologies: Unless we put technological freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when manufacture will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of making to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others: ...