Re: [Biofuel] Off Topic - More on the Holocaust if you can stand it.

2007-10-17 Thread Jan Warnqvist
Hello Guag et al. The reason for the Germans during ww2 to spend time and resources on collecting racial, religious and political non-approved people was simple: Idelogical. Germany was during this time built up on a lie and the money for this lie was borrowed from domestic and foreign lone

[Biofuel] RĂ©p. : First Jet aircraft flight powered by 100% biofuel.

2007-10-17 Thread Guy MARLAIR
This is not completely brand new... Earlier Brazilian development of Prosene (biojet fuel) has led to a first jet flight between Brazilia and Sao Paulo making use of entirely bio kerosene... But much focus is going to be placed on this matter on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean in coming

Re: [Biofuel] Off Topic - More on the Holocaust if you can stand it.

2007-10-17 Thread Hakan Falk
Peter, Germany did not at any time lacked coal, which at that time was the fuel of trains. Germany did at the time developed synthetic fuel from coal, but because of the time element it never grew to a large enough production and South Africa continued this development. In the allies getting

Re: [Biofuel] Off Topic - More on the Holocaust if you can stand it.

2007-10-17 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Peter I think Hoffman's a bit of a nutcase, or so swathed in conspiracy theories he might as well be one. Anyway, IMHO, what's interesting isn't the questions themselves so much as the fact that it's forbidden to ask them. It's the 21st Century after all, not the Middle Ages anymore. As

[Biofuel] America's Armageddonites

2007-10-17 Thread Keith Addison
Lots of links to further information in the online version. - http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4630 America's Armageddonites Jon Basil Utley | October 10, 2007 Editor: John Feffer Foreign Policy In Focus www.fpif.org Utopian fantasies have long transfixed the human race. Yet today a

[Biofuel] The real 9/11 culprit - Winston Churchill?

2007-10-17 Thread Keith Addison
Meeting Mountbatten a few months after partition, Churchill assailed him for helping Britain's enemies, Hindustan, against Britain's friends, the Muslims. Little did Churchill know that his expedient boosting of political Islam would eventually unleash a global jihad engulfing even distant New

[Biofuel] Rulers and Ruled in the US Empire - James Petras

2007-10-17 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18541.htm Reviewing James Petras' Rulers and Ruled in the US Empire By Stephen Lendman 10/12/07 ICH -- - -James Petras is Binghamton University, New York Professor Emeritus of Sociology whose credentials and achievements are long and impressive.

Re: [Biofuel] The real 9/11 culprit - Winston Churchill?

2007-10-17 Thread Mike Weaver
One can find Churchill's fingerprints on just about every Western historical artifact, both good and bad, for the roughly the past 120 years. Keith Addison wrote: Meeting Mountbatten a few months after partition, Churchill assailed him for helping Britain's enemies, Hindustan, against

[Biofuel] Don't let's be beastly to the Germans

2007-10-17 Thread Mike Weaver
What I can't stand is when someone says begs the question when they mean raise the question. Begging the question describes a logical fallacy. As for political hair shirt - that's too obtuse for comment. Having survived the Allied firebombing of his native city of Pforzheim as a child,

[Biofuel] On a lighter note...

2007-10-17 Thread Mike Weaver
Oct. 12-13, 2007 Yesterday, Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize for his work with the environment. Then, in a stunning reversal, the Supreme Court awarded it to George Bush. --Amy Poehler I think I know why you're happy tonight ... 'cause Al Gore won the Nobel prize. Al Gore won the Nobel

Re: [Biofuel] The real 9/11 culprit - Winston Churchill?

2007-10-17 Thread Mike Weaver
I think Winnie was a pretty mixed bag myself. A better question might be why the British were so anxious to go *back* into Iraq? I think it was Stanley Maude ? who went stomping into Mesopotamia around 1916 and I don't think the Brits were out until '56 or so. No guarantee on those dates.

Re: [Biofuel] The real 9/11 culprit - Winston Churchill?

2007-10-17 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Mike One can find Churchill's fingerprints on just about every Western historical artifact, both good and bad, for the roughly the past 120 years. Maybe, but that doesn't explain it away. Mishra makes some good points. Ugly racism aside, what excuse is there for sheer ignorance?

Re: [Biofuel] Don't let's be beastly to the Germans

2007-10-17 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Mike Nice bit bit of ol' wartime jingoism you dragged up there eh? That'll help a lot. What it doesn't help do though is hide the fact that for all this flailing about you still haven't answered the question, since it was you Bob put it to in the first place. So I'll ask it again, right

Re: [Biofuel] The real 9/11 culprit - Winston Churchill?

2007-10-17 Thread Keith Addison
I think Winnie was a pretty mixed bag myself. First you said good and bad, now you say mixed. If you can't remind me of something good about him, how about something that's not outright bad? A better question might be why the British were so anxious to go *back* into Iraq? I think it was

Re: [Biofuel] The real 9/11 culprit - Winston Churchill?

2007-10-17 Thread Mike Weaver
Good: Early in his political career he worked hard to implement a minimum wage in England. But probably the one thing he's rightly remembered well for is his refusal to capitualte to Hitler, although I think David Lloyd George probably got that ball rolling. His speeches rallied Britain during

Re: [Biofuel] Don't let's be beastly to the Germans

2007-10-17 Thread Mike Weaver
Thanks, I thought so. These are 18-20 of Santomauro's piece.Which question(s) are you asking? 18) Why has Holocaust Revisionism been criminalized in at least eleven countries…what other historic truth needs the threat of prison or the destruction of one's career to maintain itself. Should

Re: [Biofuel] Off Topic - More on the Holocaust if you can stand it.

2007-10-17 Thread Guag Meister
Hi Hakan ; but the number of human corps laying around and later also excavated, Well, no one is denying that war is a terrible thing, and that there were many corpses lying around, but possibly they were caused by starvation and disease due to relentless Allied bombings of supply routes for

Re: [Biofuel] Don't let's be beastly to the Germans

2007-10-17 Thread Bob Molloy
Hi Mike, Greetings and felicitations from Godzone. Loved your Noel Coward piece. Wasn't he the bloke who also bracketed mad dogs and Englishmen? Hmmm, perhaps we're dealing with satire here. Not the best basis for clarity in any discussion. Re points 18-20 of Santomauro's article:

Re: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power

2007-10-17 Thread Terry Dyck
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Re: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power

2007-10-17 Thread Fritz Friesinger
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Re: [Biofuel] Don't let's be beastly to the Germans

2007-10-17 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Mike Thanks, I thought so. I didn't. These are 18-20 of Santomauro's piece.Which question(s) are you asking? This is the question that was asked: This is the nub of the matter. Why is this subject banned from discussion in 11 countries (with a 12th about to come on line i.e. the

Re: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power

2007-10-17 Thread Tom Thiel
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Re: [Biofuel] Don't let's be beastly to the Germans

2007-10-17 Thread Mike Weaver
Bob, Salaam, Shalom und Guten Tag. Thank you for your concise and well-constructed message; it is certainly better articulated than the piece by Santomauro, which I personally think is poorly reasoned, poorly argued, and full of pointless rambling. I found most of the analogies bizarre. At

Re: [Biofuel] The real 9/11 culprit - Winston Churchill?

2007-10-17 Thread Chris Burck
did i sleep through a lecture back wien i was in school, or something? because i don't remenber about a loud outcry in favor of capitulation during the blitz. and where defeating nazi germany is concerned, the soviets deserve at least 50% of the credit, maybe even two thirds. On 10/17/07, Mike