Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-07 Thread capt3d
hmm, i don't know ammonia in gaseous form as a fertilizer (i guess i should add here the disclaimer that i'm barely even qualified to speak the word chemistry), unless something like bo peep ammonia is considered a gaseous form of ammonia, merely trapped in a solution. but there is an

Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-07 Thread bob allen
Robert, did you mean ammonium _nitrate_ not hydrate? ammonium nitrate is a standard fertilizer, but also is the stuff used by McVay to blow up the federal building in Oklahoma City a few years back, therefore purchases of large amounts of the stuff is quite suspect! Also farmers use large

Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-07 Thread robert luis rabello
bob allen wrote: Robert, did you mean ammonium _nitrate_ not hydrate? ammonium nitrate is a standard fertilizer, but also is the stuff used by McVay to blow up the federal building in Oklahoma City a few years back, therefore purchases of large amounts of the stuff is quite suspect! I

Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-06 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Robert Keith Addison wrote: Could the resulting, simpler sugars also be worked on by yeast to produce fuel ethanol? Yes. That was, in fact, the intent of the research. I believe I may have left out a step, as enzymatic treatment appears necessary. (I shouldn't be quoting without

Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-06 Thread robert luis rabello
Keith Addison wrote: Thankyou. Interesting. It uses a lot of ammonia. Do you get it back for re-use? Yes. Once the ball valve opens, the vaporized ammonia flashes into another container where it is condensed for re-use. It doesn't say anything about pressure, only heat. That's

RE: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-06 Thread brewmaster
The best way to reduce pressures in the reboilers and degasser is to use sulfuric acid. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of robert luis rabello Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:59 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bug

Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-06 Thread des
robert luis rabello wrote: Keith Addison wrote: snip There was an ammonia based refrigeration unit powered by an off axis solar tracker in Home Power magazine many years ago. It produced pressure in excess of 100 psi (I think. . . Oh, where ARE those brain cells???) during its

Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-06 Thread robert luis rabello
des wrote: I've found that page in the past, and saved a pdf file of it. Uploaded it to: http://databrook.com/users/dcs3400/solarice.pdf I believe it is what you are referring to. Yes, that's the ammonia absorption ice making unit. Thanks! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice

Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-06 Thread Keith Addison
Keith Addison wrote: Thankyou. Interesting. It uses a lot of ammonia. Do you get it back for re-use? Yes. Once the ball valve opens, the vaporized ammonia flashes into another container where it is condensed for re-use. Does that mean you could just pee in it? LOL! Well, at least it's a

Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-06 Thread robert luis rabello
Keith Addison wrote: Does that mean you could just pee in it? LOL! Perhaps we could develop a urine distillation unit to remove nitrogen and make our own NH3 with the help of a small scale electrolyzer. . . The barn litter I use for my garden off gases a LOT of ammonia when it's fresh.

Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-05 Thread robert luis rabello
Keith Addison wrote: Both are carbohydrates. Cellulose is a carbohydrate too, but separating it from its lignin binder is not an easy task. Acid hydrolysis is the most common method at this point, but I have papers buried in my files concerning an ammonia / pressure process that broke

Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-05 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Robert Keith Addison wrote: Both are carbohydrates. Cellulose is a carbohydrate too, but separating it from its lignin binder is not an easy task. Acid hydrolysis is the most common method at this point, but I have papers buried in my files concerning an ammonia / pressure process

Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-05 Thread robert luis rabello
Keith Addison wrote: Could the resulting, simpler sugars also be worked on by yeast to produce fuel ethanol? Yes. That was, in fact, the intent of the research. I believe I may have left out a step, as enzymatic treatment appears necessary. (I shouldn't be quoting without verifying

Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-04 Thread robert luis rabello
Keith Addison wrote: At BIOCAP Canada's First National Conference in February 2005, a research team at the Wastewater Technology Centre and the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada, presented a poster describing a prototype process for producing substantial amounts of hydrogen as well as

RE: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-04 Thread Mark Kaufman
Starches are a type of sugar -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of robert luis rabello Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:50 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power Keith Addison wrote: At BIOCAP Canada's First

Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-04 Thread robert luis rabello
Mark Kaufman wrote: Starches are a type of sugar Yes, but bigger. I'd never tried the technique with starch wastes. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page

RE: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-04 Thread Keith Addison
pesticide-resistant soybeans, eg. Best wishes Keith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of robert luis rabello Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:50 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power Keith Addison wrote