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2002-10-28 Thread DLTFNedit
The most exciting race I ever saw was the men's 5000 at Stuttgart in '93. TV doesn't do it justice, but the noise from the crowd over the final 200 as Kirui tried to hold off Geb and Bayissa was unbelievable. Earlier that summer Ondieki's sub-27:00 brought tears to my eyes. To be one of the

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2002-10-28 Thread Richard McCann
At 05:40 PM 10/25/2002 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote.. Lots of good moments. I would add: the 1988 OT Lewis-Myricks LJ duel in a thunderstorm. the 1968 Olympic TJ where the WR was broken several times (even if it was altitude assisted) the 1972 Olympic 400 hurdles with Akibua winning in an upset

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2002-10-28 Thread Richard McCann
Coincidentally, see my previous post that includes those plus several other non-American duals. One American-only race that I would include is the men's 1984 OT 800 in which there were TWO photo finishes (one for the team) and James Robinson, many time national champ, didn't even make the

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2002-10-27 Thread Mike Prizy
Unless I missed it in a previous post, but how about Alberto Juantorena with his two golds in 1976 OG in the 400 and 800 (1:43.50 WR.)

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2002-10-27 Thread goldbu1
Flo Jo 100m in 10.49?? With an approximately 4 m/sec following wind as everybody knows? you must be kidding. What about the long jump duel (Lewis-Powell) at the 1991 World champs in Tokyo?! Note that Lusis vs. Wolferman's JT duel in Munich 1972 is the only event where non-US atheltes were

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2002-10-27 Thread Yoram Aharoni
Best event I personally watched was the women HJ at the European cup of 1983. Tamara Bykova equaled the WR but came second to Ulrike Meyfarth, both 1 cm over the previous WR. Yoram Aharoni Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! Click Here

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2002-10-26 Thread Bob Duncan
Lee Nichols Yes, you were fortunate -- because here in America, this gets my award for worst, or at least most annoying (watch out, I sense another new thread starting), television coverage. Ditto the men's 5K that year, which I think was shown in some abbreviated form late at night after I

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2002-10-26 Thread Paul Fleming
Surprised no one has mentioned Al Oerter's 4 golds in consecutive Olympics (1956-1968). Not sure that he was the favorite in any of those competitions. Paul Fleming

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2002-10-26 Thread Mats Åkerlind
The 1976 OG 3000 Steeple was a great race. The trio of Anders Gärderud of Sweden, Frank Baumgartl of the GDR and Bronislaw Malinowski of Poland kept the tempo at WR schedule. Gäredrud kicked for home with 300 to go, but was challenged at the last barrier by Baumgartl, who then tripped and fell.

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2002-10-26 Thread Mats Åkerlind
Oerter actually beat the reigning WR holder at all four occasions. (Fortune Gordien in '56, Rink Babka in '60, Ludvik Danek in '64 and Jay Silvester in '68). He also had PB's at the OG in (at least) '68 and perhaps also in '56. (I haven't looked it up, so it's from memory) Mats Åkerlind Paul

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2002-10-26 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
ghill wrote: I can remember from the days of my infancy, though, that the breaking of the 7ft and 16fot barriers were the kind of thing that made front-page news, ranking almost right up there with Bannister and 4:00. Gh Being a few years older than Garry (I think), I remember well three

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2002-10-26 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
The best part of the 100mH race, although I was sorry that Hightower didn't make the team, was hearing Mammie Rollins scream over the 25,000 or so fans in the stands after the results were announced! Robert Hersh wrote: Let me add two memorable races to the list. The men's 400mH at the Rome

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2002-10-26 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
Kurt has overlooked what I think is the most interesting thing about the '83 WC 1500 race. In third place was none other than Yekaterina Podkopayeva, who was to defeat Decker (Slaney) 12 years later in the World Indoor Championships at the age of 42. In the interview after the race, Slaney acted

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2002-10-25 Thread Hanks, Jeffrey S
How about Bannister breaking the 4 minute mile? 1982 Boston Marathon: Salazar vs. Beardsley Carl Lewis' 4 gold medals at the '84 Olympics Or Carl Lewis winning 4 consecutive gold medals in the long jump ('84, '88, '92, '96) Mary Decker getting tripped by Zola Budd in the '84 Olympics (not a

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2002-10-25 Thread Michael Bartolina
How about Carl vs. Ben in 87'? That makes my top 10. Barto --- Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot

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2002-10-25 Thread William Bahnfleth
At 12:23 PM 10/25/2002 -0400, Jack Pfeifer wrote: i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the World, apparently merely dates me (even

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2002-10-25 Thread Ed and Dana Parrot
In terms of the most memorable for me: -both the Lewis-Powell Long Jump and the whole 100m from 1991 -2002 London marathon - KK, Geb, Tergat There are also two other performances that stick in my mind, although they don't deserve all-time recognition - one of them isn't even a victory: -Ngugi's

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2002-10-25 Thread Martin J. Dixon
Some ageism here but Eamonn's face in 83(pre marathon career) on the home stretch and Joannie winning shortly after her knee surgery, Regards, Martin Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: In terms of the most memorable for me: -both the Lewis-Powell Long Jump and the whole 100m from 1991 -2002 London

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2002-10-25 Thread ghill
From: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:23:53 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked to see his passing

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2002-10-25 Thread gpc3
Beamonesque has to take the cake. Flojo's 10.49 is not anywhere to be found on any list. Haye's anchor is big, but so is 19.32, but so are Warnerdam, Zatopek, Owens, Bubka, but for pure adreneline, nothing tops Wottle running down Arzanov in cold war 1972. Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo

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2002-10-25 Thread ghill
From: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:23:53 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame What are some nominees for Top Moments of the Century in TF? A few possibilities (in no

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2002-10-25 Thread Colleen Rorick
I'd throw in the 10K @ Munich and the the W3K @ Helsinki. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame Beamonesque has to take the cake. Flojo's 10.49 is not

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2002-10-25 Thread toby -
how 'bout a barefoot bikila? landy's 'look' vs. bannister. coe vs. ovett in '80. two other marathon items: shorter and the impostor; joanie solo on the l.a. freeway. wilma rudolph. -toby From: Colleen Rorick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Colleen Rorick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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2002-10-25 Thread Post, Marty
Paula Radcliffe - 2:17:18 ! Oh, wait, That's my short-term memory kicking in. How about Walter George, 4:12 3/4 mile, '86? As in 1886. Altho there was a 4:12.6 mile in 1915, George's time wasn't significantly bettered until Nurmi ran 4:10.4 in 1923, 37 years after George. -Original

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2002-10-25 Thread Martin J. Dixon
Except there are some (not me) that say that isn't even PR's best performance of the year so that sends it way down the food chain. Regards, Martin (bad science follower) Post, Marty wrote: Paula Radcliffe - 2:17:18 ! Oh, wait, That's my short-term memory kicking in.

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2002-10-25 Thread Steve Grathwohl
At 03:37 PM 10/25/2002 -0400, toby - wrote: how 'bout a barefoot bikila? landy's 'look' vs. bannister. coe vs. ovett in '80. two other marathon items: shorter and the impostor; joanie solo on the l.a. freeway. wilma rudolph. -toby I'll add: the Montreal 5,000; Clarke blowing the doors off 28

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2002-10-25 Thread Bob Duncan
Bob Hersh wrote: The Tokyo '91 long jump. Perhaps the greatest field event competition ever. And not just the WR, but the whole competition. Just amazing. And it was telecast virtually in its entirety. Just riveting. What a series by Lewis! I've still got it on tape along with a lot of

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2002-10-25 Thread Wes Cook
Did anyone suggest the Billy Mills 10k win in Tokyo, in light of upstaging the world's best and most dominant at the time? Wes Cook, George Fox University

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2002-10-25 Thread Lee Nichols
the W3K Helsinki. I now can't remember if it was the 3K or the 1500 in Helsinki where Decker outkicked the two Soviets to the line (with Kazankina, I believe, making a dramatic but vain dive), but that was the specific moment that changed me from being a football fan who ran track in

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2002-10-25 Thread Bloomquist, Bret
How about worst races in track history? I nomiate the Michael Johnson/Donovan Bailey fiasco, or Jesse Owens racing a horse. BTW, most of the posts I've seen on the original topic have been light on field events (other than Beamon, of course). -Original Message- From: Steve Grathwohl

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2002-10-25 Thread david lesley
Well, the most exciting field event I ever saw (in person) was Tiina Lillak's last-throw-in-the-last-event win in Helsinki '83. It was Finland's only gold medal and came shortly after Arto Bryggare got them their first medal (period), barely losing to Greg Foster. Before that it had looked as

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2002-10-25 Thread ShepWest
In a message dated 10/25/02 1:38:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cram vs. Aoutia 85 @ Nice Can anything be more thrilling than Dave Wottle's stretch run in Munich. The others all looked like they were moon walking What about Lance Deals silver in the hammer? And who can forget that great

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2002-10-25 Thread ghill
From: Bloomquist, Bret [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Bloomquist, Bret [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:06:37 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame BTW, most of the posts I've seen on the original topic have been light on field

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2002-10-25 Thread Bob Duncan
Bloomquist, Bret wrote: How about worst races in track history? Or even the 2000 Olympic Trials 200m, where both MJ and Maurice Green pulled! \ Or the 1992 10,000m travesty with Khalid Skah and Richard Chelimo, where lapped runner Hammou Boutayeb paced Skah over the last three laps. bob

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2002-10-25 Thread Kurt Bray
I now can't remember if it was the 3K or the 1500 in Helsinki where Decker outkicked the two Soviets to the line (with Kazankina, I believe, making a dramatic but vain dive) I think you are referring to the 1500m. I had the good fortune to attend that meet in Helsinki, and Mary Decker

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2002-10-25 Thread Bill Allen
Moses-Harris-Schmid, Rome, 1987 Lillak, last throw, Helsinki, 1983 But nothing tops US-USSR 1962, Bill Allen - Original Message - From: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of

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2002-10-25 Thread Robert
Buddy Edelen's 2:14.28 at the Polytechnic.A pioneer for the great American marathoners. - Original Message - From: Robert Hersh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall

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2002-10-25 Thread Michael J. Roth
Jonathon Edwards 60+ foot TJ was the most amazing Field event for me, and MJ's 200m in Atlanta still gives me chills. My greatest sports moment (as a spectator (I know its off topic!!)) was the Game 6 in 1986. Mookie would have beat them to 1st even if he had fielded that ball. This just

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2002-10-25 Thread Mike Prizy
Category: Best Race Called (radio style) But NOT Seen in USA: 1-800-94-TRACK (Vic Holchak): Marc Davis kicking down Khalid Skah in a 2M race with European fans going crazy. Bob Duncan wrote: Bloomquist, Bret wrote: How about worst races in track history? Or even the 2000 Olympic Trials

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2002-10-25 Thread Mike Prizy
Mary's 1500/3000 in Helsinki are very high on my list. I remember watching one of the races in a bar on the South Side of Chicago. We talked the bar owner - who supported a few of us runners with pizza and beer - in to showing the WC on the big projection screen, and we promised to bring in

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2002-10-25 Thread Marko Velikonja
IMHO, the womens' 10,000 has become perhaps the most consistently exciting event in recent Olympics: - 1988, Ingrid Kristiansen expected to win easily, pulls out around halfway with an injury. Liz McColgan front-runs desperately trying to put distance on Olga Bondarenko, who blows by her on the

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2002-10-25 Thread Geoff Pietsch
Tommie Smith in Mexico City in '68. His race was beautiful but it was his courage and dignity - with black gloved fist raised and head bowed - that gave me chills. I still get them when I see that photo. For an older distance runner, Mills in Tokyo in '64 showed Americans could compete.

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2002-10-25 Thread Lee Nichols
IMHO, the womens' 10,000 has become perhaps the most consistently exciting event in recent Olympics: - 1996 - A pretty brutal pace in the Atlanta heat, IIRC, then Fernanda Ribeiro, after being passed on the start of the final lap by Wang Junxia, catches her on the straightaway. Was fortunate to