Re: [Talk-us] Contacting local mappers or posting a note to "mappers in area". How to. Etiquette. Horseshoe Bend, ID,

2017-08-31 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
The Mozilla service is fine for general location requests, such as ensuring you're searching the right area for Yelp!. Actually mapping towers is much harder. Many rural Verizon towers broadcast correct latitude and longitude. For the rest there's no location data, or fake location data. A

[Talk-us] Contacting local mappers or posting a note to "mappers in area". How to. Etiquette. Horseshoe Bend, ID,

2017-08-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I know about map notes. Are there other ways I could post a bulletin message mappers in a given region might see and react to? Here it is not directly an OSM mapping task, so a map note seems inappropriate. But it's a task a local mapper would be perfect for, and it's no big deal. Is there such

Re: [talk-au] Tagging - World Solar Challenge - Darwin to Adelaide

2017-05-21 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
This seems like exactly the type of data that can be mapped with a mashup. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [Talk-us] Municipal Tree Survey

2016-09-27 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Does your small city have a GIS system, or GIS specialist? Best to coordinate with what they're doing if possible. On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Adam Old wrote: > Hello all, I am a fairly novice mapper, although I am learning quickly. > This is my first post to talk-us,

[OSM-talk] Overpass XAPI URL Status

2016-09-14 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I help support a large company that uses OSM data, pulled via a specific query at ://www.overpass-api.de/api/xapi. This query runs about once a month. It recently stopped working apparently because of a hack and because of bogus querys: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API/status

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2016-05-09 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
> On 11/22/2015 2:39 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> >> I have heard a few times recently about what3words, a new novel >> coordinate/addressing system for the whole world. >> Could/should we be doing anything to support/facilitate/implement this >> system in OSM? > > I don't think it belongs in any

Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing Starbucks Wikipedia Tags (Was Nominatim Weakness)

2016-01-20 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
For chain stores I tend to add a link to the corporate website only, as deeper links are too fragile (see KeepRight for tens of thousands of OSM URL links that no longer work). Best in my mind is a synchronization between the corporate store finder and OSM. At that point a deep link to the

[OSM-talk] Written guidance on one shop with two lines of business (e.g. Cafe & Bike Rental)

2015-11-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I ran into this node: amenity cafe amenity_1 bicycle_rental amenity_2 bicycle_repair_station name The Hairy Marron website https://www.facebook.com/thehairymarron/info/ http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30749887 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35562780 And pointed the editor to:

[OSM-talk] Promoting OSM through the media

2015-11-21 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Here's a small example of promoting OSM through watching media stories: http://www.fayettevilleflyer.com/2015/10/27/bicycle-repair-station-installed-at-lake-fayetteville-trail/ See the comment at the end with a link to the mapping of this announced feature.

Re: [Talk-us] Maxweight in the USA

2015-11-05 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I feel that all measurements recorded in OSM should include units. And that measurements should be in local units. A while back the Carter administration tried to force the metric system on the USA, which resulted in signs like: elevation 4000 feet 1219.20 meters Teaching people of course

Re: [Talk-us] Increasing the number of US Mappers

2015-10-15 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > Martijn's recent diary post "How can we double the number of active > mappers in the US in a year?" > "Bigger tent" by "adding rooms". Make it easier for specialist communities to find the map, and bring mappers.

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

2015-10-04 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Paul and Kevin say I should fix them. Easily said, but there are are too many > and there are whole towns needing alignment, and endless roads connecting > them that don't remotely resemble reality. No data is better

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

2015-09-30 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 10:33 PM, Tom Bloom wrote: > I've been deleting them if wildly wrong, and would like to delete all I > encounter. Any ideas? > When an area of tiger data has dozens of such driveways, which bear basically random correspondence with air photos,

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

2015-09-10 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: > >> On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 23:15:42 -0400 >> Russ Nelson wrote: >> >> > What's this? Is it a trail or is it an abandoned railroad? See the >> > spike? Where did it come from if not the abandoned

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

2015-09-10 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 3:45 AM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > Lots of former railway land is now privately owned, sometimes even > before the rails get removed. So the fact that there was an abandoned > (dismantled ?) railroad in his backyard didn't, on its own, mean that > he

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

2015-09-08 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > Show him OSM for the abandoned rails that he can see and point him to > OpenHistoricalMap for the historical, no-longer-present rails if he's > excited about that. > Sigh. You present OHM like it's a vibrant project that gets

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

2015-09-01 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: > > Speaking of housing developments, I earlier pointed to the south end > of Cazenovia, where a housing development has an obvious railbed to > the north, and an obvious railbed to the south, and in people's > backyards, a

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM.org rendering and features [was Re: The Proposed Great Colour Shift]

2015-08-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl wrote: We have very uncomfortable situation with rendering styles on our main website: out of 5 styles available only 2 are general, and only one - default one - is to some reasonable extent an OSM community effort (technically it's

Re: [Talk-us] New MapRoulette challenge - fix railway crossings

2015-08-06 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I too tried this task, and it marked as complete tasks that I was not able to finish. The moment I pressed the key to load in JOSM, the task was marked as done. It never loaded in JOSM either. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Summer/Winter/Seasonal Imagery Air Photos for use in JOSM?

2015-08-06 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
In many areas, multiple seasons of photos are taken (in those cases Google Maps seems to display winter images in winter, summer images in summer). Is there any way with Bing maps to request specific imagery dates, or see multiple versions? ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Summer/Winter/Seasonal Imagery Air Photos for use in JOSM?

2015-08-05 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 6:29 PM, Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com wrote: Bryce, Where are you mapping? If you are mapping in the US there may be USGS Large Scale Imagery available in the area you are mapping. In this case Andermatt, Switzerland. But the question was more general: is there

[OSM-talk] Summer/Winter/Seasonal Imagery Air Photos for use in JOSM?

2015-08-05 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I'm mapping some alpine areas, and it sure would be handy to have access to summer air photo imagery. What I see now from Bing is an odd mix of tiles in winter and summer dress. Is there a seasonally consistent imagery source available for JOSM? ___

Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Fwd: About openstreetmap Name Conflict

2015-06-28 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
The best course of action to scams like this is take no action. Replying just gets you on a list of suckers. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Mappers and apps should focus on relations at the very start

2015-06-27 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org wrote: Okay, but most relations are invisible. Relations are visible* if the editor makes them visible.* The iD editor introduced an entirely synthetic primitive: the area. Thus, in iD, the area is visible. The iD editor, or

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
In other words, it won't route over a rural road tagged as highway=residential tiger:reviewed=no Most of the well reviewed Tiger I see still has this tag. People don't know to delete it. The automatic delete on edit does not apply to tiger:reviewed (it applies to a Tiger tag

Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-14 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: What about in the situations where locals would like to make their own map but this is not financially feasible? If we are creating truly a free map of the entire world it is important to figure out how not to just make a

Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-14 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson j...@betra.is wrote: Who said anything about Westerners? Projects like mapping entire Botswana and Lesotho is not for HOT issues, acute distress. It is for making it easier for the local economies to grow, to use maps like the Western

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] [Talk-us] README tag with editor support

2015-06-11 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: The readme tag is more of a bandaid. A better way might be to capture the image date as a tag. The editor could then issue a warning message if the image date is older than the feature being modified. The readme

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] README tag with editor support

2015-06-11 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: The readme tag is more of a bandaid. A better way might be to capture the image date as a tag. The editor could then issue a warning message if the image date is older than the feature being modified. The readme

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-06-07 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 5:12 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: tl;dr version: linking to wikidata is probably ok, including wikidata could be a minefield. I don't think anybody was actually suggesting to include

Re: [OSM-talk] Keulen (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-06-05 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Roland Olbricht roland.olbri...@gmx.de wrote: - I had no internet connectivity in that situation, hence wikidata, any other external database or even non-copied OSM data was not an option. If wikidata is mined for it's rich database of names, that data can

Re: [Talk-us] National Forest nature_reserve?

2015-06-02 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_areas_of_the_United_States Keep in mind that BLM, National Forest and National Parks can all have *wilderness* areas that are have stricter limits than the wider reserve. National lands are rarely monolithic: neither landcover nor conservation

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-02 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:04 PM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: iD shows oneway=unknown if it's not set. If it's unknown, iD should not show oneway at all. OSM's k=v design is completely a serious and unnecessary flaw. Similarly are 'categories' like man_made', and 'amenity'. Why

Re: [OSM-talk] QA tools: deprecated or actually suggested to replace tags

2015-06-02 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I feel the quicker an old tag scheme is deprecated and migrated, the better. As long as it's not *too* quick that is. Something like: - A co-tagging period of say three months including: - A post-use evaluation. - Ability for mappers to object. - Evaluation against stated

Re: [OSM-talk] Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue

2015-06-01 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
The tag oneway=true is extinct in the database. Without defending the author of the Craigslist stylesheet: tracking OSM data changes is hard. In part due to the negative attitude towards cleanup mechanical edits, the data is all over the place. 1, -1, reverse, true, false, no, yes, maybe.

Re: [OSM-talk] Reporting routing problems

2015-06-01 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: Notes provides that feedback as long as the poster was logged in. Notes are often missing three things: the feedback mechanism, the route origin destination, and a clear description of the problem. Improvement to

Re: [Talk-us] Truck stop gas stations as caravan_site

2015-06-01 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Jack Burke burke...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I was wondering if it is appropriate to tag truck stops with tourism=caravan_site. I've noticed a lot of them tagged this way, presumably because many of the truck stop chains allow overnight parking of RVs, some

Re: [OSM-talk] Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue

2015-06-01 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: just a few thoughts: What is the value of a 1 time mechanical edit cleanup ? From the moment you ran your script, new data can arrive in the OSM with the wrong values. Will you run your script daily ? What if a data

Re: [OSM-talk] Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue

2015-05-31 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
After a long stretch of oneway=yes, I might indeed tag oneway=no just to keep someone from assuming I'd made a mistake. oneway=no is a declaration, as opposed to a lack of information. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-24 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: On 23/05/15 16:36, David Earl wrote: As I said, I think the upward compatible change for this is to use a tag with the unique ID of whatever operator While not popular, the addition of identifiers IS now gaining

Re: [Talk-us] Strange changeset found

2015-05-19 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
The mapper in question is still active, with reasonable edits. So it looks like a mistake, or a newbie mistake. Revert anyway. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-GB] Proposed import of approximately 6 bicycle repair tool stands in the UK

2015-05-19 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:08 AM, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: There is really no need to import this type of data in the UK where the mapping culture is to walk/cycle and just go and have a looksee. Well that applies to UK culture in general, choosing to walk is not viewed with suspicion.

Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for users/casual mappers (Re: Tagging FOR the renderer)

2015-05-18 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: You must have misunderstood something there, the top 50'000 (roughly 10% of all) or so mappers have contributed essentially all (roughly 95%) data to OSM. The long tail is not unimportant, but from a pure volume point of view

Re: [Talk-GB] Ref names on Residential roads

2015-05-12 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 4:14 AM, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I think I preferred the highway_authority_ref only to differentiate it from a reference applied by any other body. You could have more than one official_ref depending on the referencing body. Why not

Re: [Talk-GB] Ref names on Residential roads

2015-05-12 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Paul Sladen o...@paul.sladen.org wrote: My hope was that the owners of the mechanic retaggering bots involved would carefully reflect upon this advice and instead try to betterunderstand the subject matter in greater detail beforehand. Nothing in the UK was

Re: [Talk-GB] Ref names on Residential roads

2015-05-12 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 9:35 AM, SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 12/05/2015 17:28, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Why not ref:highway_authority To keep the tags just a little bit organized? https://xkcd.com/927/ (sorry) Yeah, but unlike the real world depicted in the cartoon, OSM *can

Re: [Talk-de] Update of german Aral petrol stations [2]

2015-05-11 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Looks like good work. Thank you. Are there any Marine or Aviation fuelling stations in this dataset? ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

[Talk-de] German translation assist: wiki

2015-05-11 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Would someone be willing to update: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:amenity%3Dbicycle_repair_station With a good translation for: *A shop that offers bicycle repair should be tagged as a shop. This tag is intended for standalone repair stations which are typically located outside and

Re: [Talk-us] Peculiar values for natural key in California

2015-05-11 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 3:17 AM, Jerry Clough - OSM sk53_...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I have just been looking through the long tail of natural values and natural=K2156 stuck out like a sore thumb. These seem all to be nodes imported around 2009 roughly around Salinas :

Re: [OSM-talk] Please ban Xxzme in wiki

2015-05-10 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 10 May 2015 at 23:15, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: Xxzme had plenty of warning. I see no *recent, clear and unequivocal warning*; perhaps you could point me to it; bearing in mind my comment

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-10 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 5:52 AM, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com wrote: 1. That's not how it's been used currently 2. How would we ensure every mapper knows the difference? 3. Even if for some magical reason people understand the difference, how many will bother checking that? #4 how do

Re: [OSM-talk] Please ban Xxzme in wiki

2015-05-10 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 10 May 2015 at 11:40, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Consulting with a few other users, I have gone ahead and blocked the user.

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-09 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
The wiki's decreasing level of edit energy, combined with it's increasing reach is a problem. Wiki text now appears directly in dozens of automated editing and QA tools. With JOSM style presets, there's a filter between activity on the wiki and what gets wider coverage. With iD style automatic

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-08 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
There's another problem page at OpenStreetMap is a social activity. Sigh. Lots of good cleanup edits. Lots of blundering elephant edits. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-08 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
More on this issue at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:OpenStreetMap_is_a_social_activity#Deletion ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-08 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
If you look at the edit history, there's evidence of more than one user ID showing a supporting pattern of edits. This too is concerning. -- The irony is a non-social editor creating a page about OpenStreetMap is a social activity. At this point it's an edit war, one that user Xxzme seems to

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-08 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I think that interacting with so many members of the community on such a scale as Xxzme does is at least *difficult* and prone to more friction if all you're willing to give away is a user name. It's harder to be part of

Re: [Talk-de] Brunnen : Check tagging near Hannover?

2015-05-06 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Rolf Eike Beer e...@sf-mail.de wrote: The proper tagging would probably be something like: man_made=water_well drinking_water=yes But, those would show up on the hiking map, which is equally wrong. Taginfo shows use of: pumping_station=water or

[Talk-de] Brunnen : Check tagging near Hannover?

2015-05-06 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
waterway=water_point is defined as a place to fill fresh water holding tanks. There are several marked as Brunnen near Hannover. Could someone check that tagging? http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9cX ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Overpass Quotas

2015-05-05 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
You could decide to require a User-Agent that's customized, with reference to contact info (e.g. a URL or project name that can be looked up on the OSM Wiki). That's not an unreasonable restriction, for your free service. ___ talk mailing list

[Talk-us] More bicycle tool stands

2015-05-04 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I've uploaded more bicycle tool stands under: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Dero_Bike_Repair Each of these comes from a vendor dataset, collected via cell phone gps. A note has been added asking local mappers to help position the pins exactly. Hundreds of these have been field

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-04 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: Someone attempted an undiscussed mechanical edit of this in the past and got reverted. Similar examples are power=sub_station, power=station, oneway=true, oneway=1, oneway=-1, etc. There tends to be a widespread

Re: [talk-au] camp sites

2015-05-03 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 9:36 PM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, My only observation would be that in Australia toilets and no water seems a very common combination at camp grounds. You know the kind of campground I'm talking about, with either drop toilets or unpotable water.

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-03 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: I am proposing that the contact: set of tags (contact:phone, contact:website, etc.) be depreciated and replaced with the simpler set of tags (phone, website, etc.) I am not proposing that anyone do any mechanical

[Talk-us] New MapRoulette Challenge: Website Mismatch: Give it a try

2015-05-03 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
This is a website keyword matcher. For example a website associated with name=Cafe Fanny/phone=555-1212 would be expected to have at least the words Cafe, Fanny, or a matching phone number. The match is fuzzy. Any website with no match is flagged for human review. These are often: - Spam

Re: [talk-au] Re campsites

2015-05-03 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Adrian Plaskitt adrianplask...@hotmail.com wrote: Greetings all. I think toilets and presence of drinking water should be separate pieces of information easily obvious to any user. While all campsites with drinking water will have toilets, the reverse is often

Re: [Talk-us] New MapRoulette Challenge: Website Mismatch: Give it a try

2015-05-03 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
This is a website keyword matcher. For example a website associated with name=Cafe Fanny/phone=555-1212 would be expected to have at least the words Cafe, Fanny, or a matching phone number. The match is fuzzy. Any website with no match is flagged for human review. These are often: - Spam

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

2015-05-01 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 3:13 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: I think eventually chains will see the light, and publish their locations in an open format compatible manner. At that point a quick cross check

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

2015-05-01 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Johan C osm...@gmail.com wrote: That's a good question Rob. 'Seeing the light' possibly means maintaining your own platform/apps as a business. I did ask McDonald's back in 2012, I got the following reply: We put focus on optimizing this McDonald's app and

[OSM-talk] Holistic Map Editing (Was: Chain Store Cleanup)

2015-05-01 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: OSM editing is usually holistic - you work on many aspects of the map in an area. If the map has many edits by different people in an area then I can reasonably assume that it has a certain minimum quality because these

Re: [Talk-de] Updating motorhome dump station tagging (English)

2015-04-30 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: Apologies for using English on the German list. I would like to seek additional voices on moving German motorhome sewage tagging from: amenity=waste_disposal name=Aire de services camping-car

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-30 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
You can see the issue of how to tag this has come up several times: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sanitary_Dump_Station#See_Also With no consensus tagging diverged many ways. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-30 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: tag - disposal_point Values pump_out:grey (No sewage) pump_out:black(Contains Sewage) pump_out:bilge(May contain oil) pump_out:restricted (note advise restrictions) dump:black(may

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

2015-04-30 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
You'll probably face an easier road if your clean page follows the mechanical edit convention, using your name: (sample: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Bryce_C_Nesbitt ), even if you're not doing something fully mechanical. Then: 1. Add the TODO plugin to JOSM. 2.

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

2015-04-30 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: And long term chances are some form of synchronization with McDonald's official store finder will replace the current manual process. Agree, something like this with a more organized overview would be better I think

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing redundant routing instructions

2015-04-27 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I'd call this mostly a routing presentation issue. If the road name is the same, I'd want any super sharp curve to warn me: Tight left in 100 meters, or 15mph left turn ahead. The very fact of the OSM geometry ought to be enough to calculate the necessary warning.

Re: [OSM-talk] Sidewalks

2015-04-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Another possibility is somewhat radical: - Non-routing or decorative ways for sidepaths. The current highway tags are quite good for routing a pedestrian or cyclist from intersection to intersection, and thus over any reasonable distance. However there's a desire for what amounts to drawing

[OSM-talk] Best way to find nodes within given way outlines?

2015-04-24 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I've asked around several times, but never found an answer. What's the best way to do intersection queries on OSM data.? For example: find all amenity=fuel inside of an airport polygon. - This works barely: 1) Load possible target nodes ways into JOSM 2) Search type:way 3)

Re: [OSM-talk] how do i get a mapper to engage with the community over mass imports?

2015-04-24 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 3:33 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: As I indicated ... it is more a matter of what is wrong with the new data. I WOULD expect new building data to include the address and perhaps the fact that this is missing is good enough reason not to allow the import.

Re: [Talk-GB] Labelling a greasy spoon caff

2015-04-24 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Greasy spoon truck stops (or any mobile food truck on a schedule) could be: transient:amenity=restaurant cuisine=greasy_spoon;british operating_hours=Sa 16:00-20:00 name=Greasy Spooning Cafe website=http://foodtrucksrus.net/o=92 So it won't render confusingly with permanently located

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Amtrak Northeast Regional to Norfolk?

2015-04-24 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
My experience with Amtrak is they don't always know. I remember a conductor having a series of phone calls with dispatch about routing, and seeing him relay new routes up to the engineer. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-23 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 3:15 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=dump Has a lot lower usage than disposal, but *I* don't like the use of 'sanitary' ... that is more of a problem than the dump/disposal question! The tagging numbers are skewed

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-23 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
To summarize: Nobody likes to talk about waste, so euphemisms abound. Past tagging has been all over the map, and the same tags were used in Europe for dog_waste bins as well as motorhome dump points.

Re: [Talk-de] Updating motorhome dump station tagging (English)

2015-04-23 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Gmbo; The people who map waterways disagree, and feel that a single tag for marine and land facilities is unwise. I agree: These features are different, and it is not possible to determine which is which by position alone. We do not want a person using OSMand to type in dump station and be

Re: [Talk-de] Updating motorhome dump station tagging (English)

2015-04-23 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-04-22 19:52 GMT+02:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: There are in fact grey water *only* stations. Separately, a common tent camping feature is a dish washing station designed to keep campers from

Re: [Talk-de] Updating motorhome dump station tagging (English)

2015-04-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-04-21 21:20 GMT+02:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: amenity=waste_disposal name=Aire de services camping-car waste_disposal:chemical_toilet=yes waste_disposal:grey_water=yes

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:39 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Bryce Nesbitt wrote: What can we assume the UK tag waterway=elsan_point means? One or more of: 1) Walk up toilet 2) Cassette dump for boats 3) Cassette dump for motorhomes 4) Pump out Very firmly

Re: [Talk-de] Updating motorhome dump station tagging (English)

2015-04-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Regarding grey water I am not sure if tagging makes sense. Does grey water really need dedicated stations for disposal? In doubt I'd keep the tag. Here's a case where grey water is prohibited:

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Here are some totally typical prior taggings of this feature (in land vehicle form): http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3075600244 http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/369645049 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Is there any intrinsic difference between one for boats and one for motorhomes? If they are actually pretty much the same thing, maybe the difference would better be expressed by *access=customers* or purely

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Malcolm Herring malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com wrote: On 21/04/2015 18:08, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Are what's presently tagged elsan_point /both/ walk up toilets /and/ CDP chemical holding tank emptying points? And do they welcome waste originating from Elsan

[Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-21 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
User richardwest and a few others added a few Elsan Points along Canals in the UK: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2591597652/ https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2755755468/ https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2891630633/ I've checked with Richard about this, to make sure the current tagging

[Talk-de] Updating motorhome dump station tagging (English)

2015-04-21 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Apologies for using English on the German list. I would like to seek additional voices on moving German motorhome sewage tagging from: amenity=waste_disposal name=Aire de services camping-car waste_disposal:chemical_toilet=yes waste_disposal:grey_water=yes To:

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-21 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:36 AM, Malcolm Herring malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com wrote: On 21/04/2015 08:01, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: I'm seeking additional local input on this tagging. Elsan is simply a trade name for a chemical toilet (likewise Portapotti). So your cassette tagging covers

Re: [talk-au] National Park unclosed poly, want advice

2015-04-21 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Forest polygons are generally understood to not be very precise. And the treeline changes over time anyway. Do don't bother to make those align. I do like to see edges of water and lakes matching up with the park poloygons, otherwise you end up with lots of strange color bands on rendered maps

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-21 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Malcome Herring wrote: Waterside facilities provided by CRT (previously known as British Waterways Board - BWB) are accessed by use of a key issued to all waterway license holders. Chemical toilet emptying points are usually within these facilities. Pump-out stations, on the other hand, are

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] Proposed import removal: nuclear explosion sites

2015-04-17 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
There's an insane disconnect between this discussion about keeping nuclear explosion events, and the one about removing railways. The argument seems to come down to what was left over and if it's mappable. Well, the two are very similar: * Nuclear explosions leave craters and radioactive

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Semi Mechanical Edit : recycling:excrement

2015-04-17 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On that node I got tripped up because vending=excrement_bags seems to be used with and without amenity=vending_machine I followed tagging of nearby nodes in josm, but missed reading the wiki convention. Sorry. The overpass query to find other similar tags is: [vending=excrement_bags][amenity!~.]

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] Proposed import removal: nuclear explosion sites

2015-04-17 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 17.04.2015 um 19:33 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: In all cases the argument that some barely-detectable trace archaeological remnant remains seems to be thin justification for a pre-held

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-16 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 9:08 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: The problem, as I see it, is that railroads are a contiguous whole. Yet some people seem to think that a railroad should be shopped up along its length, with part of it appearing in OSM (where you can see it on the ground),

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