Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-14 Thread Mike Harris
as an off-road mapper in the OSM community in the UK. Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Martin Koppenhoefer [mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com] Sent: 13 August 2009 23:26 To: Roy Wallace Cc: osm Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway] 2009/8/14 Roy Wallace waldo000

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-14 Thread Mike Harris
-Original Message- From: Martin Koppenhoefer [mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com] Sent: 14 August 2009 02:51 To: Roy Wallace Cc: osm Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway] 2009/8/14 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-14 Thread Marc Schütz
You seem to be implying that increasing the amount of data in OSM is a bad thing??? Increasing the amount of _implicit_ data surely is. There are good reasons, why putting implicit data into databases is usually avoided. Of course, llama access restrictions probably aren't a top priority,

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-14 Thread Marc Schütz
The core issue here (that I believe we agree on) is that if tags have inconsistent implications, they must be made explicit. Absolutely true: explicit in the wiki ;-) I don't think the wiki is a good place for that. Keep in mind that these defaults would be nice to have in a

[OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread David Earl
On 13/08/2009 18:20, Norbert Hoffmann wrote: David Earl wrote: So I say: keep it simple, keep it compatible. Carry on with the simple, established tags we already have, but just clarify the default use classes which apply to each highway tag, PER COUNTRY, and tag exceptions to these

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread Alex Mauer
On 08/13/2009 01:24 PM, David Earl wrote: realise we are missing a use case (say we discover motorways in Ecuador permit learner drivers to use them [please don't tell me this isn't the case - it's only an example]) we have to add tags to every other highway you don't even have to go that far

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread David Lynch
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 13:37, Alex Mauerha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: On 08/13/2009 01:24 PM, David Earl wrote: realise we are missing a use case (say we discover motorways in Ecuador permit learner drivers to use them [please don't tell me this isn't the case - it's only an example]) we have

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:24 PM, David Earlda...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: So what you're saying is that - each editor and data consumer has to have its own set of national rules and defaults rather than defining them centrally (so inevitably they'll end up different); - we have to

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread Norbert Hoffmann
David Earl wrote: So what you're saying is that - each editor and data consumer has to have its own set of national rules and defaults rather than defining them centrally (so inevitably they'll end up different); The editors must have some way to set defaults, the consumers will get a full

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Roy Wallacewaldo000...@gmail.com wrote: You seem to be implying that increasing the amount of data in OSM is a bad thing??? If it is millions time the same thing, yes. Look another thread speaking about TIGER import clean-up. Of course, llama access

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Pierenpier...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, llama access restrictions probably aren't a top priority, but it IS a GOOD THING to have llama restrictions in the database. Yes, it is. In PERU. I'd be quite happy to know whether I can ride my llama down my street

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/14 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Absolutely true: explicit in the wiki ;-) We have a database, let's populate it. The wiki is to help instruct people how to best populate the database - it should not be a part of the database itself. but this is not real map-information but it is

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/14 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: but this is not real map-information but it is legal information you could also get from different sources. If a way is legally a cycleway, all the laws and

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Roy Wallacewaldo000...@gmail.com wrote: The general format, which could be extended to all kinds of access restrictions, is: X:K = L;V, where X = the standard tag (maxspeed, or access, or bicycle, etc.) K = the kind of condition L = the value of the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/14 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/14 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: but this is not real map-information but it is legal information you could also get from different sources. If a way is