On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:24:54AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote:
What you are describing is the web map to end all web maps. It is a
natural tendency for many in the IT industry to always try and
generalise (if I add this and make that configurable, then the same
backend could be used to do
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:19:12 +, Tom Hughes wrote:
pointless little diatribe. I do help it made you feel better.
What are you on about?
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:49:29 +, Chris Hill wrote:
*really* good idea in OSM, but why do you want to piss off some of the
I'm just a mapper but agree with SteveC on this, and I hope nobody gets
offended but there is place for lts of improvements on www.osm.org
website.
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Hi,
Tirkon wrote:
Possibly I am too much in a science fiction. But I could imagine the
OSM homepage as a kind of WMS-service with a user-configurable map. A
menue will take control, which items are shown, highlighted, four
color theoremed [1] i.e. urban quarters of a town (with one quarter
Hi,
Tirkon wrote:
Here is an example, sadly in German. I do not know an English one.
http://geoportal.geodaten.niedersachsen.de/navigator/?
But they are far from perfect. On Google maps you can now view the map
oriented towards any of the main compass directions ;-)
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Frederik
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2010/2/28 Tirkon tirko...@yahoo.de:
But this is exactly rhat, what I am asked i.e. by Wikipedia users. At
present they draw their maps for every geographical article (states,
regions, districts, towns, municipality, urban quarters) and the
sub-chapters of these (water, public transport,
Hi,
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
But this is exactly rhat, what I am asked i.e. by Wikipedia users. At
present they draw their maps for every geographical article (states,
regions, districts, towns, municipality, urban quarters) and the
sub-chapters of these (water, public transport, railway
2010/2/22 SteveC st...@asklater.com:
On Feb 21, 2010, at 18:57, Martin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/2/21 SteveC st...@asklater.com:
Sure. In Germany you have this amazing community where there's a
stamptish around every corner. But out here it's much harder and we
need
One idea is to leverage IRC power, by having an international channel,
where any language is permitted.
And people can respond live translate, and people can get their answer.
Having this IRC weblink directly on the feedback box will help a great deal.
Many have abandoned this talk@ list
openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be
1) click 'feedback' or 'problem'
2) enter problem
3) click ok
ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it?
look at openstreetbugs and most could be closed right away. the feedback from
most people is useless. a
On 21/02/10 07:16, SteveC wrote:
On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
SteveC wrote:
http://opengeodata.org/new-design-concept-for-openstreetmaporg
Whatever merits the (external, commercial) uservoice.com service might have,
I am extremely sceptical about using it for
On 21/02/10 07:38, SteveC wrote:
On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
SteveC wrote:
Wrong. Map bugs. Did you read my post Fred ? :-)
So you meant to integrate uservoice.com instead of integrating
openstreetbugs? But can their system tie notes to map locations?
Well I'll go
On 01/-10/-28163 08:59 PM, SteveC wrote:
On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
...
openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be
Fixing openstreetbugs crappy ui and integrating it into the main page
seems like the better way to go in this case rather
Hi,
Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it?
look at openstreetbugs and most could be closed right away. the feedback from
most people is useless. a comment footways are missing in this park doesn't
help much if there is no experienced mapper willing to
On 21 February 2010 21:35, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Now we can either adopt a free-for-all approach where we encourage
everyone to leave their feedback without spending 10 seconds on
understanding how this map is generated, and then have a lot of work in
post-processing
SteveC wrote:
2) We have to be very clear that the openstreetmap.org website is _awful_.
Horrendous. A total PITA. We're all here because we're persistent with it.
But the wonderful thing is - we don't have to make the tools and site easy to
use if we can expose a simple bug system. It's
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, SteveC wrote:
... It's very clear that nobody can convince Richard to actually
write something any muggle would really want to use, you can scream
at him to finish the mythical Potlatch 2 all you want, but he
doesn't give a shit and lives on a boat in bliss. That's his
Sam Vekemans wrote:
Many have abandoned this talk@ list because IRC is more efficient.
Only if you want to talk to people either in your own time zone or are
night workers.
Talk@ communicates ideas with all people all over the globe.
Cheers
Dave F.
Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it?
look at openstreetbugs and most could be closed right away. the feedback from
most people is useless. a comment footways are missing in this park doesn't
help much if there is no experienced mapper willing to survey.
SteveC wrote:
Well I'll go further.
openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be
1) click 'feedback' or 'problem'
2) enter problem
3) click ok
the extra step of clicking where the problem is should not happen, we should
get that from the bbox or center point
On 22 February 2010 01:37, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
Streetbugs encourages people to 'get others to do it' when OSM should be
encouraging them to 'do it yourself'
While it'd be nice if people would fix any problems themselves, I
don't think OSM's website is at the point where some
On Feb 21, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be
1) click 'feedback' or 'problem'
2) enter problem
3) click ok
ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it?
I will.
look at openstreetbugs and most could
On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:05 AM, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 21/02/10 07:16, SteveC wrote:
On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
SteveC wrote:
http://opengeodata.org/new-design-concept-for-openstreetmaporg
Whatever merits the (external, commercial) uservoice.com service might
have,
On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:08 AM, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 21/02/10 07:38, SteveC wrote:
On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
SteveC wrote:
Wrong. Map bugs. Did you read my post Fred ? :-)
So you meant to integrate uservoice.com instead of integrating
openstreetbugs? But can
John Smith wrote:
On 22 February 2010 01:37, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
Streetbugs encourages people to 'get others to do it' when OSM should be
encouraging them to 'do it yourself'
While it'd be nice if people would fix any problems themselves, I
don't think OSM's
As there are two sorts of problems - 'easy fix' ones (There is a bank
here, This road is Clifton Road, not Clifton Avenue etc.) and the 'hard'
ones (this road is also part of NCN Route 17 or there is a road missing
here), maybe we need two solutions?
OpenStreetBugs is pretty good for the harder
On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:15 AM, Kai Krueger wrote:
the extra step of clicking where the problem is should not happen, we should
get that from the bbox or center point plus zoom. So with some changes I
think we can integrate OSB and expose it front and center to help fix up the
bugs.
Are
On Feb 21, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Robert Funnell wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, SteveC wrote:
... It's very clear that nobody can convince Richard to actually write
something any muggle would really want to use, you can scream at him to
finish the mythical Potlatch 2 all you want, but he doesn't
On Feb 21, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Dave F. wrote:
How is zooming all the way in repeatedly panning around to centre up,
quicker than one click to _accurately_ locate the problem?
Hi, you've never done a UI review.
http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/UX_and_Usability_Study
Money quote:
Every
On Feb 21, 2010, at 3:49 AM, Chris Hill wrote:
SteveC wrote:
2) We have to be very clear that the openstreetmap.org website is _awful_.
Horrendous. A total PITA. We're all here because we're persistent with it.
But the wonderful thing is - we don't have to make the tools and site easy
to
SteveC wrote:
On Feb 21, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Dave F. wrote:
How is zooming all the way in repeatedly panning around to centre up,
quicker than one click to _accurately_ locate the problem?
Hi, you've never done a UI review.
On Feb 21, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Dave F. wrote:
Hi, you've never done a UI review.
http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/UX_and_Usability_Study
Money quote:
Every user in this study struggled to get a basic grasp of the editing
interface. Despite users’ overall excitement about
SteveC wrote:
Oh, please...
...Yawn.
That kind of sums you up.
Dave F.
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On Feb 21, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Dave F. wrote:
SteveC wrote:
Oh, please...
...Yawn.
That kind of sums you up.
/me prods the troll
Yours c.
Steve
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any errors people are trying to get fixed...
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SteveC wrote:
On Feb 21, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Dave F. wrote:
SteveC wrote:
Oh, please...
...Yawn.
That kind of sums you up.
/me prods the troll
I'm a troll because I disagree with you?
You're weird.
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On Feb 21, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Dave F. wrote:
SteveC wrote:
On Feb 21, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Dave F. wrote:
SteveC wrote:
Oh, please...
...Yawn.
That kind of sums you up.
/me prods the troll
I'm a troll because I disagree with you?
No, because you live under a bridge with your
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 16:36, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
... It's very clear that nobody can convince Richard to actually write
something any muggle would really want to use, you can scream at him to
finish the mythical Potlatch 2 all you want, but he doesn't give a shit and
lives on
On Feb 21, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 16:36, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
... It's very clear that nobody can convince Richard to actually write
something any muggle would really want to use, you can scream at him to
finish the mythical
Hi folks,
On Dom 21 Feb 2010, SteveC wrote:
1) click 'feedback' or 'problem'
2) enter problem
3) click ok
I think an easy feedback system is great. And I like the idea of exposing
bugs.
For this I think it would be essential to coordinate a bit and prepare in an
explicit manner workflows
The problem with your analysis is pretty simple - maybe those people left
because the site was crap, not because they inherently don't like adding more
than 10 things. Maybe if we make it better, they will add a lot more.
On Feb 21, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
Instead of
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 00:09, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
The problem with your analysis is pretty simple -
maybe those people left because the site was
crap, not because they inherently don't like adding
more than 10 things. Maybe if we make it better, they will add a lot more.
OSM,
On 21 Feb 2010, at 15:09 , SteveC wrote:
The problem with your analysis is pretty simple - maybe those people left
because the site was crap, not because they inherently don't like adding more
than 10 things. Maybe if we make it better, they will add a lot more.
I can't agree or disagree
2010/2/21 SteveC st...@asklater.com:
Sure. In Germany you have this amazing community where there's a stamptish
around every corner. But out here it's much harder and we need these easier
tools to build the map.
thing is that you can't build a crowd-sourced map when missing the
crowd. There
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From: Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:29:24
Cc: Talk Openstreetmaptalk@openstreetmap.org; dev listd...@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept
Sam Vekemans wrote:
Many have abandoned
On Feb 21, 2010, at 18:57, Martin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/2/21 SteveC st...@asklater.com:
Sure. In Germany you have this amazing community where there's a
stamptish around every corner. But out here it's much harder and we
need these easier tools to build the
On 22 February 2010 13:17, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
Was that meant to disagree or agree with what I said or what?
Everyone keeps complaining that OSB is the wrong approach, it will
create too much work, but no one has any proof of what will happen,
and current bugs listed aren't much of
Hi,
SteveC wrote:
http://opengeodata.org/new-design-concept-for-openstreetmaporg
Whatever merits the (external, commercial) uservoice.com service might
have, I am extremely sceptical about using it for openstreetmap.org.
Join companies organisations of all sizes that already depend on
On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
SteveC wrote:
http://opengeodata.org/new-design-concept-for-openstreetmaporg
Whatever merits the (external, commercial) uservoice.com service might have,
I am extremely sceptical about using it for openstreetmap.org. Join
Hi,
SteveC wrote:
Wrong. Map bugs. Did you read my post Fred ? :-)
So you meant to integrate uservoice.com instead of integrating
openstreetbugs? But can their system tie notes to map locations?
Bye
Frederik
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On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
SteveC wrote:
Wrong. Map bugs. Did you read my post Fred ? :-)
So you meant to integrate uservoice.com instead of integrating
openstreetbugs? But can their system tie notes to map locations?
Well I'll go further.
openstreetbugs
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