Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-25 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: You realize tightly moderate and issues of all nature are somewhat contradictory, do you? Not at all. Personal attacks, repetition, off-topic remarks, spamminess, me-tooism - none of this comes under issues of all natures.

Re: [OSM-talk] Super-relations for roads

2010-08-25 Thread Konrad Skeri
2010/8/25 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2010/8/24 Konrad Skeri kon...@skeri.com: Is there any current usage of super-relations for roads? This could be resolved by making a relation of E 45 Sorsele municipality, E 45 Storuman municipality, E 45 Vilhelmina municipality, etc.

Re: [OSM-talk] Super-relations for roads

2010-08-25 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/25 Konrad Skeri kon...@skeri.com: Good question. Why are we putting roads into relations? I'm just doing it because everyone else is. I have a vauge memory of arguments that a way beloning to several roads are better represented by a relation for each road instead of having ref=E 12; E

Re: [OSM-talk] Super-relations for roads

2010-08-25 Thread Konrad Skeri
In Sweden the E-roads are also the national ref (with exceptions of Swedish/Norwegian E 6 that is the international E 47 and Swedish E 4 that is international E 55) so I guess we should use both. regards Konrad 2010/8/25 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2010/8/25 Konrad Skeri

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-25 Thread Dave F.
On 25/08/2010 07:45, Steve Bennett wrote: Not at all. Personal attacks, repetition, off-topic remarks, spamminess, me-tooism - none of this comes under issues of all natures. Picture the town hall meeting style that has become popular in politics. Questions on almost any topic are allowed, but

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-25 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 25 August 2010 10:23, Kevin Peat ke...@kevinpeat.com wrote: On 25 August 2010 08:41, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: It is bad enough if the share-alike minority force their will on the rest of the project now; we must not allow them to force their will on everybody who is in

Re: [OSM-talk] Super-relations for roads

2010-08-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Konrad Skeri wrote: Good question. Why are we putting roads into relations? It adds useful redundancy, making it possible to find errors in a route (and, in the other direction, since it's easier to screw up a relation than ref tags, having ref tags helps with correction). It also adds

Re: [OSM-talk] Super-relations for roads

2010-08-25 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/25 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: Good question. Why are we putting roads into relations? It adds useful redundancy, making it possible to find errors in a route (and, in the other direction, since it's easier to screw up a relation than ref tags, having ref tags helps with

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-25 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:29:19AM -0400, Anthony wrote: On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote: There is already the ability to change the licence without the CTs: There is an upgrade clause in the ODbL itself. Actually, section 3 will make it harder to

Re: [OSM-talk] Super-relations for roads

2010-08-25 Thread Aun Yngve Johnsen
I have had a similar thought for the longer Federal Highways in Brazil. Dividing them by state sounds sensible, as BR-101 reaches all the way from the border to Uruguay in the south to the city of Recife in Northeast. If my counting is right, that is 9 states. And there are several other

[OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-25 Thread Greg Corradini
I've been looking at a lot of hiking trails on OSM in the Cascade Mountains near Seattle. I've noticed a few different tags in regard to trail GPS traces (highway=path,highway=footway,highway=trail,highway=footpath). The wiki page on US roads tagging recommendations only has the following advice

[OSM-talk] Request for someone to run an SQL query for me on europe.osm

2010-08-25 Thread Peter Mooney
Hi, I am wondering if someone here on the list would be kind enough to run a query on OSM in Europe or Planet for me? Something along the lines ... Select all polygon_ids in europe/planet where version number of polygon X When I have the IDs I can just pull the data down using the API. Don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-25 Thread Mike N.
I have gravitated toward JOSM's preset style highway=footway for foot-only traffic highway=path + foot=designated / bicycle=designated / foot=yes / bicycle=yes as appropriate I would clarify the phrase as with a more specific tag as appropriate. From: Greg Corradini Sent:

Re: [OSM-talk] Request for someone to run an SQL query for me on europe.osm

2010-08-25 Thread Mitja Kleider
Peter Mooney wrote: Something along the lines ... Select all polygon_ids in europe/planet where version number of polygon X How do you define polygon? Every closed way or just relations with type=multipolygon? As far as I can see, the osm2pgsql hstore schema does not include versions. If

Re: [OSM-talk] Place of worship

2010-08-25 Thread Dermot McNally
On 21 August 2010 03:53, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: The landuse=religious seems like a good compromise.  Landuse=institutional seems a bit too generic, as there are so many different types of institutions. I was also looking to popularise landuse=religious. I hadn't had a

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway= path, footway, trail?

2010-08-25 Thread Maarten Deen
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:30:18 -0700, Greg Corradini gregcorrad...@gmail.com wrote: I've been looking at a lot of hiking trails on OSM in the Cascade Mountains near Seattle. I've noticed a few different tags in regard to trail GPS traces

Re: [Talk-is] Hjolavefsja.is flott framtak. Hverni g geta hjólarar aðstoðað ?

2010-08-25 Thread baldvin
Kannski væri það góð hugmynd að hafa smá kennslu á OpenStreetMap í klúbbhúsi Fjallahjólaklúbbs Íslands, einhver sem býður sig fram í það? Ég get alveg tekið að mér að leiðbeina eftir bestu getu. Örugglega margir sem kunna meira, en ef enginn skárri fæst þá bara hafið samband við mig og ég er klár

Re: [Talk-is] Dæmi úr hjólavefsjá og huglei ðingar um virkni

2010-08-25 Thread Morten Lange
Hæ Jamm, það er margt furðulegt sem kerfið stingur upp á og sumt geti tengst því að  ekki sé búið að tengja saman stíga, eða tengja þá við almenna gatnakerfið.  Hef séð nokkur dæmi um slíkt, og hef gert tvær tilraunir til að bæta úr með því að bæta inn way  ( norðvesturhorn Kópavogs ) Svo er

Re: [Talk-is] Dæmi úr hjólavefsjá og hugleið ingar um virkni

2010-08-25 Thread Björgvin Ragnarsson
(english summary: responding to comments about RideTheCity, explaining OSM basics and encurraging people to contribute to the WikiProject Iceland/Cycleways, see link below.) Sæll Morten, 2010/8/25 Morten Lange morten...@yahoo.com Hæ Jamm, það er margt furðulegt sem kerfið stingur upp á og

Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: cinafonino con gps e android

2010-08-25 Thread Carlo
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:40:33 +0800 Stefano Droghetti stefano.droghe...@gmail.com wrote: In questo momento sono in Cina, a ShenZhen, proprio dove fanno quei cinafonini (che qui vengono chiamati i telefoni dei campagnoli) :-) Ne ho comprato uno, un finto iPhone che in realtà ha Android con una

Re: [Talk-it] Frazioni e quartieri

2010-08-25 Thread Carlo
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:06:57 +0200 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/8/24 Carlo cybo...@gmail.com: Mo' vado a togliere i is_in che avevo messo nelle frazioni. :-) -1, io gli lascerei. E' un lavoro inutile e crea più disturbo nel db (nuova versione) di toglierli

Re: [Talk-it] Dubbi su Aree di Servizio in autostrada

2010-08-25 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 24 agosto 2010 20:27, MrFrem82 prettyvisit...@gmx.com ha scritto: Mi sembra che stia procedendo bene la pagina che Simone sta creando. Dovrebbe essere quasi completa, o sbaglio? Manca solamente da decidere come taggare le corsie di accesso all'area di servizio, dividendole per camion e

[Talk-it] R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: cinafonino con gps e android

2010-08-25 Thread Daniele Drago
Messaggio originale Da: stefano.droghe...@gmail.com Data: 25/08/2010 4.40 A: openstreetmap list - italianotalk-it@openstreetmap.org Ogg: Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: cinafonino con gps e android In questo momento sono in Cina, a ShenZhen, proprio dove fanno quei cinafonini (che

Re: [Talk-it] Dubbi su Aree di Servizio in autostrada

2010-08-25 Thread Simone Saviolo
Il 25 agosto 2010 09:15, Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 24 agosto 2010 20:27, MrFrem82 prettyvisit...@gmx.com ha scritto: Mi sembra che stia procedendo bene la pagina che Simone sta creando. Dovrebbe essere quasi completa, o sbaglio? Manca solamente da decidere come taggare

Re: [Talk-it] Dubbi su Aree di Servizio in autostrada

2010-08-25 Thread Fabio
In data 25 agosto 2010 alle ore 10:07:35, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 25 agosto 2010 09:15, Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 24 agosto 2010 20:27, MrFrem82 prettyvisit...@gmx.com ha scritto: Mi sembra che stia procedendo bene la pagina che Simone

Re: [Talk-it] Dubbi su Aree di Servizio in autostrada

2010-08-25 Thread Simone Saviolo
Il 25 agosto 2010 10:19, Fabio prettyvisit...@gmx.com ha scritto: Come va usato? Mettiamo hgv=no su tutti gli elementi solo auto (percorsi, parcheggi, fuel) e motorcar=no su tutti gli elementi solo camion? Lo mettiamo solo sui percorsi? Lo mettiamo sul punto di ingresso (di solito c'è anche

Re: [Talk-it] Dubbi su Aree di Servizio in autostrada

2010-08-25 Thread Fabio
In data 25 agosto 2010 alle ore 10:31:26, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 25 agosto 2010 10:19, Fabio prettyvisit...@gmx.com ha scritto: Come va usato? Mettiamo hgv=no su tutti gli elementi solo auto (percorsi, parcheggi, fuel) e motorcar=no su tutti gli elementi solo

Re: [Talk-it] Dubbi su Aree di Servizio in autostrada

2010-08-25 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 25 agosto 2010 09:46, Fabio prettyvisit...@gmx.com ha scritto: Hai ragione, poco chiaro. Direi di mettere hgv=no sui percorsi destinati esclusivamente alle macchine e sui servizi raggiungibili da tali percorsi (carburante in particolare). Per i percorsi e servizi riservati ai camion lo

Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: cinafonino con gps e android

2010-08-25 Thread iiizio iiizio
2010/8/25 Daniele Drago dandr...@libero.it: Se un giorno hai 5 minuti hai voglia di vedere se gira un applicativo chiamato geopaparazzi ? Non sono riuscito a trovarlo sul market e nemmeno qui: http://code.google.com/p/geopaparazzi/ http://www.geopaparazzi.eu/ Siamo sicuri che esista o è stato

[Talk-it] Creare una mappa dei sassi su cui fare boulder

2010-08-25 Thread Lorenzo Di Tullio
Ciao a tutti allora con un mio amico stiamo mappando dei massi all'interno di una faggeta su cui si fa boulder. Il nostro intento è creare una piccola mappa che possa essere allegatra ad una guida. come tag ho visto questo: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dstone ma può essere

Re: [Talk-it] Creare una mappa dei sassi su cui fare boulder

2010-08-25 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 25 agosto 2010 10:13, Lorenzo Di Tullio lorenzoditul...@gmail.com ha scritto: invece qui: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Climbing ci sono i tag relativi all'arrampicata ma sono proposed io userei questi... ho visto che comunque non tengono in considerazione i

Re: [Talk-it] chiave ref in Italia

2010-08-25 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 23 agosto 2010 10:15, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com ha scritto: grazie alle vacanze sono andato in po' in giro oltre i confini di Roma è devo dire che tantissimi ref (quasi tutti verificati) erano in un modo o l'altro sbagliati. :-D La relativa pagina nel wiki

Re: [Talk-it] Creare una mappa dei sassi su cui fare boulder

2010-08-25 Thread Lorenzo Di Tullio
Ciao ercando in giro ho trovato il tag natural=bare_rock come discusso qui: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/rock si potrebbero disegnare le aree dei singoli sassi no?? anche questo tag è proposed... Con quale software posso fare il rendering?? non l'ho mai fatto e non ho

Re: [Talk-it] Creare una mappa dei sassi su cui fare boulder

2010-08-25 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 25 agosto 2010 10:54, Lorenzo Di Tullio lorenzoditul...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao ercando in giro ho trovato il tag natural=bare_rock come discusso qui: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/rock si potrebbero disegnare le aree dei singoli sassi no?? anche questo tag

[Talk-it] R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: cinafonino con gps e android

2010-08-25 Thread Daniele Drago
2010/8/25 Daniele Drago dandr...@libero.it: Se un giorno hai 5 minuti hai voglia di vedere se gira un applicativo chiamato geopaparazzi ? Non sono riuscito a trovarlo sul market e nemmeno qui: http://code.google.com/p/geopaparazzi/ http://www.geopaparazzi.eu/ Siamo sicuri che esista o è

Re: [Talk-it] Dubbi su Aree di Servizio in autostrada

2010-08-25 Thread Simone Saviolo
Ho incorporato gli ultimi suggerimenti (ho aggiunto anche l'accesso per le moto). Se va bene per tutti, sposterei la pagina nel progetto autostrade. Ma: non so come si sposta una sottopagina della mia pagina personale in modo da farla diventare una sottopagina della pagina del Progetto Autostrade!

Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: cinafonino con gps e android

2010-08-25 Thread ale_z...@libero.it
.. Funaiona benissimo, ha anche 3G, bussola, GPS, memoria da 16Gb, è velocissimo, multitouch eccetera. Mi è costato l'equivalente di 150€. . ___ Quasi quasi si potrebbe organizzare un gruppo d'acquisto, che ne dite? Alessandro

Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: cinafonino con gps e android

2010-08-25 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 25 agosto 2010 12:31, ale_z...@libero.it ale_z...@libero.it ha scritto: Quasi quasi si potrebbe organizzare un gruppo d'acquisto, che ne dite? mmm interessante e interessato... Alessandro ciao Luca ___ Talk-it mailing list

Re: [Talk-it] cinafonino con gps e android

2010-08-25 Thread Niccolo Rigacci
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 01:31:02PM +0200, ale_z...@libero.it wrote: .. Funaiona benissimo, ha anche 3G, bussola, GPS, memoria da 16Gb, è velocissimo, multitouch eccetera. Mi è costato l'equivalente di 150€. . ___ Quasi quasi si potrebbe

Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: cinafonino con gps e android

2010-08-25 Thread Roberto Moretti
+1 ilrobi ps prefereirei però altri metodi di trasporto in Italia rispetto a quello suggerito da Niccolò ;) Quasi quasi si potrebbe organizzare un gruppo d'acquisto, che ne dite? Alessandro ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-it] Creare una mappa dei sassi su cui fare boulder

2010-08-25 Thread ale_z...@libero.it
Ciao a tutti allora con un mio amico stiamo mappando dei massi all'interno di una faggeta su cui si fa boulder. Il nostro intento è creare una piccola mappa che possa essere allegatra ad una guida. come tag ho visto questo: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dstone ma può essere

Re: [Talk-it] cinafonino con gps e android

2010-08-25 Thread ale_z...@libero.it
Quasi quasi si potrebbe organizzare un gruppo d'acquisto, che ne dite? In che modo? Facciamo tornare Stefano con una decina di cinafonini nascosti nelle mutande? -- Niccolo Rigacci Firenze - Italy ___ Quello di spedire merci dalla Cina all'Italia

Re: [Talk-it] cinafonino con gps e android

2010-08-25 Thread Simone Saviolo
Il 25 agosto 2010 13:47, ale_z...@libero.it ale_z...@libero.it ha scritto: Quasi quasi si potrebbe organizzare un gruppo d'acquisto, che ne dite? In che modo? Facciamo tornare Stefano con una decina di cinafonini nascosti nelle mutande? -- Niccolo Rigacci Firenze - Italy

Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: cinafonino con gps e android

2010-08-25 Thread Giorgio Scandiuzzo
Devo essere sincero, leggendo sta serie di mail sui cinafonini mi è nata la curiosità di vedere che c'è in giro e devo dire che c'è di tutto, compreso sto gingillo (che telefono non è):

Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: cinafonino con gps e android

2010-08-25 Thread iiizio iiizio
2010/8/25 Giorgio Scandiuzzo maza...@gmail.com: Devo essere sincero, leggendo sta serie di mail sui cinafonini mi è nata la curiosità di vedere che c'è in giro e devo dire che c'è di tutto, compreso sto gingillo (che telefono non è):

[Talk-it] R: Re: R: : cinafonino con gps e android

2010-08-25 Thread Daniele Drago
Messaggio originale Da: iiizio.iii...@gmail.com Data: 25/08/2010 14.35 A: openstreetmap list - italianotalk-it@openstreetmap.org Ogg: Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: cinafonino con gps e android Io in questi giorni mi son fatto una cultura sui cinafonini La fonte principale è

Re: [Talk-it] Dubbi su Aree di Servizio in autostrada

2010-08-25 Thread gvf
Il giorno mer, 25/08/2010 alle 12.29 +0200, Simone Saviolo ha scritto: Ho incorporato gli ultimi suggerimenti (ho aggiunto anche l'accesso per le moto). Se va bene per tutti, sposterei la pagina nel progetto autostrade. Ma: non so come si sposta una sottopagina della mia pagina personale in

Re: [Talk-it] Dubbi su Aree di Servizio in autostrada

2010-08-25 Thread Simone Saviolo
Il 25 agosto 2010 15:53, gvf g...@gvf.ve.it ha scritto: Il giorno mer, 25/08/2010 alle 12.29 +0200, Simone Saviolo ha scritto: Ho incorporato gli ultimi suggerimenti (ho aggiunto anche l'accesso per le moto). Se va bene per tutti, sposterei la pagina nel progetto autostrade. Ma: non so come si

[Talk-it] OpenStreetMap Wiki e-mail

2010-08-25 Thread Fabri
Vi inoltro un messaggio speditomi da un utente osm, che chiede di reintrodurre nelle Proposed Features una Proposta già abbondantemente discussa, commentata e approvata con regolare votazione. Cosa ne pensate? Hi Giardia, as I saw you created the new feature

Re: [Talk-it] cinafonino con gps e android

2010-08-25 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/25 ale_z...@libero.it ale_z...@libero.it: Quello di spedire merci dalla Cina all'Italia penso sia l'ultimo dei problemi : -) Se c'è un acquisto minimo stai tranquillo che, se il venditore è onesto, arrivano. pero devi pagare il dazio e se l'oggetto è un finto apple (o altro prodotto

Re: [Talk-it] OpenStreetMap Wiki e-mail

2010-08-25 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/25 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: 2010/8/25 Fabri erfab...@gmail.com: Vi inoltro un messaggio speditomi da un utente osm, che chiede di reintrodurre nelle Proposed Features una Proposta già abbondantemente discussa, commentata e approvata con regolare votazione. Cosa ne

Re: [Talk-it] cinafonino con gps e android

2010-08-25 Thread Stefano Droghetti
Esatto: purtroppo la dogana italiana è nota per essere bastardissima, la più bastarda d'Europa. Applica il 20% di IVA su tutto quello che trova inscatolato o comunque di cui vi sia più di un paio di esemplari uguali. Inoltre applica l'IVA sul prezzo presunto, quindi se ne frega di eventuali

Re: [Talk-it] cinafonino con gps e android

2010-08-25 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/25 Stefano Droghetti stefano.droghe...@gmail.com: (la mia ragazza è cinese, NdR) questo piccolo dettaglio ti aiuta sicuramente un pocchino ;-) ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-at] Wiener Stammtisch am 1.9.

2010-08-25 Thread Werner Schmidt
Korrektur, ein Flüchtigkeitsfehler ist mir unterlaufen. Es sollte GPS basierende Steuerung anstatt GSM heissen. Werner Am 24. August 2010 19:11 schrieb Andreas Labres l...@lab.at: On 24.08.10 16:23, Werner Schmidt wrote: aber das generelle Problem bleibt bei GSM basierenden Steuerungen,

Re: [Talk-at] Wiener Stammtisch am 1.9.

2010-08-25 Thread bernhard zwischenbrugger
hi ein Flüchtigkeitsfehler ist mir unterlaufen. Es sollte GPS basierende Steuerung anstatt GSM heissen. GPS macht mehr Sinn. Über GSM könnte man aber auch Befehle an den Flieger geben. Z.B. Fallschirm auswerfern, Zurückkommen, Standort an Basisstation liefern damit man den Keine

Re: [Talk-hr] ATM

2010-08-25 Thread Ivan Biuklija
Dana Tue, 24 Aug 2010 23:15:10 +0200, Matija Nalis mnalis-openstreetmapl...@voyager.hr napisao/napisala je: On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 09:22:17PM +0200, Nikola Kapraljevic wrote: U biti me zanimalo da li mogu dobiti recimo broj koliko je bankomata oznaceno u HR. Ako se radi o njih 20, onda je

Re: [Talk-hr] ATM

2010-08-25 Thread Janko Mihelić
2010/8/25 Ivan Biuklija new...@biuklija.com Dana Tue, 24 Aug 2010 23:15:10 +0200, Matija Nalis mnalis-openstreetmapl...@voyager.hr napisao/napisala je: Pretpostavljam da ovo u obzir ne uzima lokacije banaka koje imaju tag ATM=yes, jer mi se taj slučaj često pojavljivao (npr. u mom

Re: [Talk-hr] ATM

2010-08-25 Thread Matija Nalis
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 02:02:06PM +0200, Ivan Biuklija wrote: Dana Tue, 24 Aug 2010 23:15:10 +0200, Matija Nalis http://tagwatch.stoecker.eu/Croatia/En/tagstats_amenity_atm.html Pretpostavljam da ovo u obzir ne uzima lokacije banaka koje imaju tag ATM=yes, tako je, tih 151 je (kao sto

Re: [Talk-hr] ATM

2010-08-25 Thread Matija Nalis
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 09:51:07AM +0200, Janko Mihelić wrote: Trebalo bi napraviti listu tipova POI-a koji su važniji od drugih za upisivanje. Recimo, moj prijedlog: najvažnije: ljekarne, bolnice, policijske stanice, ambasade (ono što ti jako zatreba u trenutku nevolje), srednje:

Re: [Talk-hr] ATM

2010-08-25 Thread Valent Turkovic
Imam prijatelje u PBZ, Erste i ZABA bankama pa ću vidjeti može li se doći do tih podataka. Samo 150 bankomata je dodano? To mi je jako malo, sam sam ih dodao par desetaka, Osijek, Zagreb, Rogoznica, Rab, Crikvenica, Rijeka... Ako imate iPhone tople preporuke za Mapzen POI collector. On

[talk-ph] Yes, but I've got a GPS

2010-08-25 Thread Jim Morgan
A mapping-focused strip from the always entertaining XKCD. http://xkcd.com/783/ Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-25 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:13:26AM -0400, Richard Weait wrote: We can do the license change now because it is the right thing to do, or we can do the license change now and make future license changes simpler for future OpenSteetMap communities. OSMF have chosen DbCL for individual database

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Simon Biber wrote: I and many others need a firm commitment to ensure contributions continue to be protected by attribution and share-alike in the future. -1 (I mean, you may need that but you shouldn't get it. As an aside I also want to point out that the use of continue to be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-25 Thread John Smith
On 25 August 2010 17:41, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I am against trying to force our will on OSM in 10 years. OSM in ten years will have a larger community and a larger data volume by orders of magnitude. I don't think it is right to force their hand in any way over and above the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-25 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 09:44:13AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Simon Ward wrote: OSMF have chosen DbCL for individual database contents. That leaves quite some flexibility in how individual contents may be used and distributed without taking into account the extraction from the database that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-25 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 09:41:27AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: I am against trying to force our will on OSM in 10 years. OSM in ten years will have a larger community and a larger data volume by orders of magnitude. I don't think it is right to force their hand in any way over and above the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-25 Thread Rob Myers
On 08/25/2010 09:28 AM, Simon Ward wrote: Instead of leaving it open to any free licence, how about we set set the minimum attribution and share alike provisions and say that it will be subject to review in X years? (Five?) For data, attribution is only a matter of freedom to the extent that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-25 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 09:20:18AM +0100, Simon Ward wrote: I would be interested to discussing that flexibility further. Can you give examples for using and distributing individual contents that way? Without having first extracted it from the database, I can’t give any, because the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-25 Thread Kevin Peat
On 25 August 2010 08:41, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: It is bad enough if the share-alike minority force their will on the rest of the project now; we must not allow them to force their will on everybody who is in OSM in 10 years' time. I find this oft-repeated argument to be

[OSM-legal-talk] Relicensing graphic

2010-08-25 Thread 80n
The license working group has published a graphic showing the amount of data that is currently relicensable under CT and ODbL. Green squares are ODbL, red squares are CC-BY-SA. As I understand it each square represents the square root of the size of each user's contribution. I don't know how the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM Fork] Relicensing graphic

2010-08-25 Thread John Smith
On 25 August 2010 19:59, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: removed (two of which are probably TIGER and AND): http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g51/80n80n/osm/odbl_cropped.png No, the 3 largest all relate to the US as best we can figure. The original TIGER import is #1, Frederik's bot to remove

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Relicensing graphic

2010-08-25 Thread Liz
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, 80n wrote: By way of a rather tongue-in-cheek contrast I thought I'd prepare my own graphic showing how many OSM contributors have now agreed to CC-BY-SA. In this graphic the green boxes are those who have agreed and the red boxes are those who have not:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is this clickthrough agreement compatible with OSM?

2010-08-25 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Gregory Arenius greg...@arenius.com wrote: I've been considering bringing in some of the data available at http://www.datasf.org .  Most of it is behind this clickthrough agreement: http://gispub02.sfgov.org/website/sfshare/index2.asp . I think it would be okay

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is this clickthrough agreement compatible with OSM?

2010-08-25 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
On 25/08/2010 13:29, Richard Weait wrote: On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Gregory Areniusgreg...@arenius.com wrote: http://gispub02.sfgov.org/website/sfshare/index2.asp That license looks pretty bad to me, from an including the data in OSM point of view. Nonetheless, it's not one of the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is this clickthrough agreement compatible with OSM?

2010-08-25 Thread Gregory Arenius
I must have missed that particular section somehow. I sent off an email to ask the city if we could get the data under a license we could use. We'll see what happens. As to how many OSMers are in the city its hard to say exactly. There are a few people working on the map pretty frequently and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-25 Thread Robert Kaiser
Simon Biber schrieb: I want to contribute my mapping work to a community who will respect my wishes that the work remain free. This includes that no-one should be allowed to make a derived work and not allow others to have the same freedom over the derived work. This is the essence of what the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Montevideo, Uruguay's Map Data Released, Can we put it in OSM?

2010-08-25 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
On 25/08/2010 17:01, evan wrote: My translation: Rights Reserved. Permission granted for non-commercial use including total or partial republication, with the source cited. [...] Then, beyond that single line on the web page, they link to the resolution, passed, specifically to release

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-25 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote: There is already the ability to change the licence without the CTs: There is an upgrade clause in the ODbL itself. Actually, section 3 will make it harder to upgrade. Under the CT section 3, the database can only be licensed

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-25 Thread Sebastian Hohmann
Kevin Peat schrieb: On 25 August 2010 08:41, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: It is bad enough if the share-alike minority force their will on the rest of the project now; we must not allow them to force their will on everybody who is in OSM in 10 years' time. I find this

[talk-au] Update from Licensing Working Group

2010-08-25 Thread Grant Slater
OSM AU, Just a quick update... The Licensing Working Group (LWG) is still in positive discussion with NearMap. Unfortunately we have been unable to schedule a conference call this week due to difficult scheduling (EDT, BST, CEST WST timezones). We have a call scheduled for early next week. The

[talk-au] Fwd: [Aust-NZ] interesting decision - UK row over publishing public mapping data

2010-08-25 Thread John Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: Ross Johnson ros...@hotmail.com Date: 25 August 2010 12:41 Subject: [Aust-NZ] interesting decision - UK row over publishing public mapping data To: Public sector bodies in the UK will not be able to publish data on Google Maps, despite a new deal

Re: [Talk-de] Eigener Testrechner (war: dritter Pl atz für OSM bei Open-Source-Förderung)

2010-08-25 Thread Lars Lingner
Am 24.08.2010 22:02, schrieb Stephan Knauss: Lars Lingner wrote: Im Moment gibt es noch keine praktikable Lösung eine DB mit einem Ausschnitt aktuell zu halten mit Minuten-, Stunden- oder Tagesdiffs. Nicht? Ich mache das auf meinem Server schon seit einem Jahr. osm2pgsql kann das. Es gibt

Re: [Talk-de] Eigener Testrechner (war: dritter Platz f ür OSM bei Open-Source-Förderung)

2010-08-25 Thread Lars Lingner
Am 24.08.2010 20:56, schrieb Walter Nordmann: Lars Lingner wrote: Im Moment gibt es noch keine praktikable Lösung eine DB mit einem Ausschnitt aktuell zu halten mit Minuten-, Stunden- oder Tagesdiffs. hi Lars, komisch, genau das mach ich seit ca 4 wochen ohne probleme. postgis,

Re: [Talk-de] Ideen Sammel, und organisieren eines CCBYSA 2.0 Forks

2010-08-25 Thread Fichtennadel
2010/8/25 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Matthias Versen wrote: Wenn ich (als Beispiel) wegen dem anlegen einer Relation eine Straße splitte, dann tauche ich als Uhrheber von eimem der beiden ways auf ohne das ich allerdings das Uhrheberrecht habe. [snip] .. So ganz schwierig ist es

Re: [Talk-de] Ideen Sammel, und organisieren eines CCBYSA 2.0 Forks

2010-08-25 Thread Stefan Schwan
Hallo! Am 25. August 2010 06:54 schrieb Bernd Wurst be...@bwurst.org: Und wenn Du ein paar Generationen von Edits auf der selben Straße/dem selben Node hast, wird es noch komplizierter. Deswegen das reasonable in der Bestimmung oben. Wikipedia im Vergleich dazu ist da fast schon

Re: [Talk-de] Ideen Sammel, und organisieren eines CCBYSA 2.0 Forks

2010-08-25 Thread Thomas Zimmermann
Am Mittwoch 25 August 2010, 00:26:23 schrieb Michael Kugelmann: und ungeklärter Beziehungen zu den ursprünglichen Datenlieferanten. ??? Sorry für den drastischen Kommentar, aber: wo lebst Du eigentlich? Hast Du Dir mal irgendwelche Sachen zu OSM angesehen? Insbesonder welchen Dingen Du

Re: [Talk-de] Ideen Sammel, und organisieren eines CCBYSA 2.0 Forks

2010-08-25 Thread Garry
Am 24.08.2010 01:05, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hi, Matthias Versen wrote: a) Neue Edits werden nur angenommen wenn der User beiden Lizenzen zustimmt. Dann werden 2-3 Jahre abgewartet was dafür sorgt das durch neue Änderungen viele der alten Daten in die neue Lizenz übergehen. Das Problem ist,

Re: [Talk-de] Ideen Sammel, und organisieren eines CCBYSA 2.0 Forks

2010-08-25 Thread Stefan Schwan
Am 25. August 2010 08:52 schrieb Thomas Zimmermann m...@vdm-design.de: Am Mittwoch 25 August 2010, 00:26:23 schrieb Michael Kugelmann: und ungeklärter Beziehungen zu den ursprünglichen Datenlieferanten. ??? Sorry für den drastischen Kommentar, aber: wo lebst Du eigentlich? Hast Du Dir mal

Re: [Talk-de] 1 Jahr Lähmung von OSM durch Lizenzwechs el?

2010-08-25 Thread Chris66
Am 24.08.2010 11:47, schrieb Thomas Ineichen: Klar, einen offiziellen Button dafür gibt es nicht, man könnte allerdings (letzenendes wohl nur unverbindlich) eine Liste im Wiki machen, wo sich jeder, der nach eigenen Angaben absolut sicher die Umstellung ablehnt, mit seinem OSM-Usernamen

Re: [Talk-de] Ideen Sammel, und organisieren eines CCBYSA 2.0 Forks

2010-08-25 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Bernd Wurst schrieb: Was ich sagen will ist, dass mit der aktuellen Lizenz viele Daten-Verwerter ein rechtliches Problem haben, denn genau genommen muss einfach jeder Autor genannt werden, so steht es in der Lizenz. Und jeder Autor könnte potenziell gegen von ihm nicht geschätzte Unternehmen

Re: [Talk-de] Ideen Sammel, und organisieren eines CCBYSA 2.0 Forks

2010-08-25 Thread Bernd Wurst
Am Mittwoch 25 August 2010, 09:27:58 schrieb Michael Kugelmann: Deswegen ist ein (C) OSM and Conrtibutors für mich ein gangbarer Weg. Genau. Deswegen ist nicht *DEINE* Meinung wichtig sondern der gemeinsame Nenner *ALLER* OSM-Autoren. Und da weder du noch ich noch sonst irgendjemand

Re: [Talk-de] Ideen Sammel, und organisieren eines CCBYSA 2.0 Forks

2010-08-25 Thread Andreas Labres
On 25.08.10 03:05, Frederik Ramm wrote: Stimmt, das ist auch schon diskutiert worden, und da wird man sich was ausdenken muessen. So ganz schwierig ist es nicht, denn man kann ja sehen, dass Du in einem Changeset ploetzlich einen Way A drastisch verkuerzt und einen Way B neu angelegt hast,

Re: [Talk-de] Ideen Sammel, und organisieren eines CCBYSA 2.0 Forks

2010-08-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Fichtennadel wrote: Oben schreibst Du SMOP, dann aber ne Menge Aufwand? Muss nicht genau diese Entscheidung ist dieses Objekt CC-by-SA oder ODbL ohnehin programmiert werden? Ja, wobei es denkbar ist, dass man das nicht 100% algorithmisch entscheidet, sondern auch crowdsourced, d.h.

Re: [Talk-de] Ideen Sammel, und organisieren eines CCBYSA 2.0 Forks

2010-08-25 Thread Simon Poole
From: Michael Kugelmann Simon Poole schrieb: Da bin ich nicht ganz deiner Meinung, hätte es von Anfang an vernünftige CTs gegeben (halt mit CCBYSA als Lizenz) hättest du Recht. OSM war immer CC-by-SA - zumindest schon als ich Anfang 2007 aktiv dazugekommen bin. So wie die Situation jetzt

Re: [Talk-de] 1 Jahr Lähmung von OSM durch Lizenzwechs el?

2010-08-25 Thread Bernd Wurst
Am Mittwoch 25 August 2010, 09:27:34 schrieb Chris66: PD-Supporter: 393 ODBL-Supporter: 83 ODBL-Rejecter: 12 Gut, das PD-Dingen gibt es schon etwas länger, daher ist die Zahl logischerweise größer. (Hatte das bisher vergessen und jetzt nachgeholt.) Ich hoffe jedoch nach wie vor, dass es im

Re: [Talk-de] Ideen Sammel, und organisieren eines CCBYSA 2.0 Forks

2010-08-25 Thread Bernd Wurst
Am Mittwoch 25 August 2010, 09:53:30 schrieb Frederik Ramm: Ich stimme ueberein, dass moeglichst schnell Software gebastelt werden muss, die es einem Mapper ermoeglichst, zu sehen, wo (noch) Sand ist und wo schon Beton. Und idealer Weise auch gleich dreistufig: 1. unklarer Status 2. Nur von

Re: [Talk-de] Ideen Sammel, und organisieren eines CCBYSA 2.0 Forks

2010-08-25 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Mittwoch 25 August 2010, 09:47:53 schrieb Bernd Wurst: Am Mittwoch 25 August 2010, 09:27:58 schrieb Michael Kugelmann: Deswegen ist ein (C) OSM and Conrtibutors für mich ein gangbarer Weg. Genau. Deswegen ist nicht *DEINE* Meinung wichtig sondern der gemeinsame Nenner *ALLER*

Re: [Talk-de] Ideen Sammel, und organisieren eines CCBYSA 2.0 Forks

2010-08-25 Thread Bernd Wurst
Ach Günther, komm mal hinter deinem Ofen vor, lese was ich (im ganzen Thread) schreibe und hör auf mich ständig dumm von der Seite an zu machen! Am Mittwoch 25 August 2010, 10:06:39 schrieb Guenther Meyer: Am Mittwoch 25 August 2010, 09:47:53 schrieb Bernd Wurst: Am Mittwoch 25 August 2010,

Re: [Talk-de] Ideen Sammel, und organisieren eines CCBYSA 2.0 Forks

2010-08-25 Thread Fichtennadel
2010/8/25 Andreas Labres l...@lab.at: In meinen Augen wäre es doch wesentlich sinnvoller, sich zu überlegen, wie man Tools bastelt, die helfen, diese Umsetzung schmerzfrei über die Bühne zu bringen! Konkret: Zuerst mal eine Art Overlay, wo jedes einzelne Objekt markiert ist, das

Re: [Talk-de] 1 Jahr Lähmung von OSM durch Lizenzwec hsel?

2010-08-25 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hallo, On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:41:32PM +0200, Tobias Knerr wrote: Wir können keine Datenbank aufbauen, in der wir Googles Kartendaten mit unseren kombinieren. Google schon - sofern wir eine Lizenz nutzen, die keine wirksamen Share-Alike-Auflagen beinhaltet. Welche Daten hat den Google

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