date:20170504

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 11:33 PM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
> I have personally talked to people who said they don't want to
> contribute to OSM because Pascal Neis' page was "inviting stalkers".
>
> Those people were not the geek elite who have made it a habit to
> thoroughly think about what gets published and how to ensure that
> there's no link between their online identity and their private live if
> they don't want their privacy violated. Those were people from groups
> currently underrepresented in OSM, people whom we would like to see more
> of in OSM, but who felt unsafe making themselves visible like that.

How many people? I think we would make it worse for many just to have
a handful of people happy. I don't think we should strive to catch
mappers at any cost. I know the intentions are good, but reality has
often taught me otherwise.

Many national communities use their own change monitoring tools that
will break, for instance greeting and monitoring new mappers. We use
one site in Poland and the Dutch community also uses another site.
There's also Overpass API.
This is not feasible on a technical level IMO and would require
significant effort to satisfy just these paranoid people. I don't
trust OSMF to accommodate everyone's needs on change monitoring.

Also, I see no reasonable way that upcoming EU privacy rules would
affect us. Would they consider OSM as a special case or what?
Everything mappers do, as has been said, is consensual and explicit.

When I said spirit, I though for instance mapping parties which were
once very popular and still somewhat are. It was customary to make
animated progress maps colored by user.

Long story short: weigh "benefits" to all the far-reaching implications.

I really hope this won't come through. Really.

Michał

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Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread Christoph Hormann

On Thursday 04 May 2017, Michał Brzozowski wrote:
>
> > Well - HDYC is a tool offered by Pascal Neis, AFAIK it is not even
> > open source.  Pascal could turn it off any time if he wanted to and
> > of course he can also put up constraints.
>
> Keep in mind that I don't make it appear that my requests are based
> on something formal, they're not. I simply hope that people will tell
> him they don't agree with me and two already did ;)

I can only say if i was in Pascal's position here and i had decided to 
add the requirement of authorization to my tool because i am convinced 
this is important for the privacy of mappers (and i don't want to imply 
that i would see it that way nor that this was actually Pascal's 
motivation) users not liking my decision but having no convincing 
arguments w.r.t. the basis of my decision would not have any bearing on 
the matter.

> I think it also emphasizes how open-source tools are important. There
> are tons of obscure analysis pages which don't have their source
> available.

Yes - and the situation about HDYC would have different dynamics 
obviously if it was open source.

But also keep in mind that the functionality of HDYC is not really that 
complex.  Writing a replacement for it would certainly be quite a bit 
of work but it is not really rocket science.

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Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread Frederik Ramm

Hi,

On 05/04/2017 09:33 PM, Michał Brzozowski wrote:
> I don't like the idea how this was never introduced and discussed
> outside of the German forum.
> I think that such "privacy" measures are futile and go against the
> spirit of OSM - transparency.

I think that what we mainly want to create in OSM is a geo database, not
a database of where a particular OSM mapper was at a particular time, or
whether a particular OSM mapper tends to stay up long at night editing OSM.

I have personally talked to people who said they don't want to
contribute to OSM because Pascal Neis' page was "inviting stalkers".

Those people were not the geek elite who have made it a habit to
thoroughly think about what gets published and how to ensure that
there's no link between their online identity and their private live if
they don't want their privacy violated. Those were people from groups
currently underrepresented in OSM, people whom we would like to see more
of in OSM, but who felt unsafe making themselves visible like that.

We are currently doing far too little to protect the privacy of our
mappers, and our methods of educating mappers about the privacy
consequences of their actions in OSM are laughable at best. That your
contributions to OSM can lead to a detailed analysis of your online
behaviour like the one produced by Pascal Neis is obvious to the
tech-savvy among us but certainly not to everyone who signs up. We have
a duty to, at the very least, educate new mappers about what happens to
their data, and ideally we should also do more to protect their data.

The "metadata" of *who* edited what when is not a necessary part of our
database proper; someone just wanting to *use* the data does not have to
know. We use this information inside of OSM to improve quality, to
contact mappers, to find vandalism and so on. But I don't think that the
broader public necessarily needs to know about such internal aspects.

I am very much in favour of limiting at least the value of the "user
name" field to project-internal use. Pascal has made a first step in
that direction. Currently, anyone can download the planet file with all
user information intact and thereby circumvent the (extremely low)
barrier of having to provide an OSM username; I hope that in the long
run, we will stop making username information available to the public,
and instead make the user name only available "for project internal
purposes", i.e. to logged in users. I think this will not hurt any
legitimate use case, while at the same time making clear that we
consider this information privileged and not for general consumption.

It doesn't matter that anyone can sign up and then view that data; we
can at least make people promise to only use the data for project
internal use when they sign up.

> Maybe this is due to some "moral panic" in Germany revolving around
> privacy, just like StreetView ban - except it's made clear that your
> edits are public and you agree to it!

It is made clear that your edits are public, and we even explain about
the meta data (the Privacy Policy says: "All edits made to the map are
recorded in the database with the user ID of the user making the change,
and a timestamp at the time of change upload. In general all of this
information is also made available to everyone via the website,
including links to allow everyone to easily cross-reference which user
has made which edit. "). But we are hiding this like the small print in
a contract; there are many people who have signed up to OSM and who are
shocked to find their life reflected in Pascal's analyses. You might say
it's their fault, they are stupid not to read what they signed up to; I
say it's out fault, we have a duty of explaining to them what they are
signing up to. Every single person who signs up to OSM and who doesn't
understand what they are publishing about themselves is our fault.

Pascal has recevied numerous legal threats about his pages. Making them
"for project internal use only" considerably improves his legal standing
should anyone ever actually try and sue him. It's his service, his legal
risk, and his decision. New EU data protection regulations announced for
2017 will make things even stricter, and we will have to spend serious
thought on how we can protect the privacy of our mappers if we want to
expand the project past the group of geeks who know how to manage their
privacy online. And it is not just a legal issue; you might call it a
"moral panic", I call it a moral duty to do everything we can to ensure
that our mappers don't suffer disadvantages from contributing to OSM.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread Simon Poole

This seems to be derailing rather fast.

The background is that we are publishing a fair amount of meta data
about our contributors that could at least be seen as not totally
harmless from a privacy and data protection point of view.

This includes all the changeset meta data, user ids and display names in
the data and last but not least timestamps, distributed in the data
dumps and the website. It is currently rather simple to generate a
profile for a specific editor and likely even finger print contributions
over multiple accounts.

Most of us, I would hope, are aware of the potential consequences and
accept the risk that contributing out in the open implies, but this is
definitely not universally true. It has been suggested that one possible
approach to resolving this is to remove all the relevant meta data from
places where it can be accessed without an OSM account (that would imply
no changeset dumps, and no user-ids etc in the planet dumps, and
re-working the website to only show such information to logged in
users). This would have to be accompanied by a new set of ToS that would
clearly lay down how such meta data can be used.

Naturally the above will not stop the bad guys, but it would make it
slightly less trivial to misuse OSM. Pascal, who has in the past been
threatened with legal action wrt privacy issues, reacted very promptly
to the discussion and implemented such a login-only access model, I
don't really see how he can be faulted for that given that it doesn't
limit community access at all, and he is fully responsible for what he
is publishing.

Now the other aspect is the upcoming (2018) changes in privacy
regulations in the EU. They will undoubtedly impact any such discussion
and future policy and the LWG has budgeted a fair bit of money exactly
to investigate and potentially implement any such required changes,
which could very well include all of above and more. 

Personally I'm not very happy with the concept of reducing the
availability of contribution meta data as it will make lots of things
harder (vandalism detection and fighting for example) and likely require
many things to move to OSMF run tasks that are currently done by the
community at large, but it may be something that we can't avoid.

Simon




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Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread James

As Michal said, forcing login wont stop "those that want to cause harm".
They will just login and harvest the data. They can also just scrape the
osm data, so I dont think this is an issue with  HDYC as much it is a
privacy concern with OSM data itself.

If you dont want to be associated with your edits: create a generic account
that has nothing to do with your usual usernames i.e. AnonymousUser001 or
OSMUser001 and never communicate about the work done on that account with
your main profile/email. That way you dissociate yourself from that user
and your social media accounts.

If people cant find a link between personal identifyable info(facebook,
twitter, email, linkedin) and the editing user there is no cause for alarm.

Worst case they will say: Oh there's an osm user that lives in this
areaso do 35 other users.

Basic internet anonymity 101...

On May 4, 2017 4:51 PM, "Christoph Hormann"  wrote:

> On Thursday 04 May 2017, Nicolás Alvarez wrote:
> >
> > > Just to make this clear since there are likely quite a few people
> > > reading here who will not be able or willing to parse the
> > > discussion on the German forum - discussion there was about privacy
> > > concerns w.r.t. editing metadata, which is what is the basis of
> > > Mixing this with the subject of openness of geodata and
> > > privacy concerns reagarding geodata (like mappers recording names
> > > from the doors of private homes etc.) is not really appropriate -
> > > two very different matters which need to be considered separately.
> >
> > I don't think Michał was mixing those two different matters.
>
> Michał made a connection to privacy concerns regarding Google StreetView
> which were exclusively about the recorded data and not about the
> recording metadata (which Google obviously has no interest in
> publishing).
>
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Re: [Talk-it] santella o crocefisso?

2017-05-04 Thread girarsi_liste

Il 04/05/2017 21:35, demon.box ha scritto:
> secondo voi come si mappa?
> 
>  
> 
> perchè ha sia le caratteristiche di un historic=wayside_shrine come santella
> votiva
> ma anche di un historic=wayside_cross come crocefisso...
> 
> che dite?
> 
> grazie.
> 
> --enrico
> 
> 

Per  me è un capitello, il contenuto è religioso, cristiano cattolico.

Se è storico punterei su historic=*, se è piuttosto recente c'è man_made=* :

building=yes

man_made=wayside_shrine/historic=wayside_sherine

denomination=catholic

relicgion=cristian



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Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 10:48 PM, Christoph Hormann  wrote:
> Michał made a connection to privacy concerns regarding Google StreetView
> which were exclusively about the recorded data and not about the
> recording metadata (which Google obviously has no interest in
> publishing).

Yes, these matters are separate, but I was talking about the sentiment
towards privacy and over-exaggeration of it. Hence I wrote "moral
panic".
I think any of us here knows how Streetview and OSM work.

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Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread Christoph Hormann

On Thursday 04 May 2017, Nicolás Alvarez wrote:
>
> > Just to make this clear since there are likely quite a few people
> > reading here who will not be able or willing to parse the
> > discussion on the German forum - discussion there was about privacy
> > concerns w.r.t. editing metadata, which is what is the basis of
> > Mixing this with the subject of openness of geodata and
> > privacy concerns reagarding geodata (like mappers recording names
> > from the doors of private homes etc.) is not really appropriate -
> > two very different matters which need to be considered separately.
>
> I don't think Michał was mixing those two different matters.

Michał made a connection to privacy concerns regarding Google StreetView 
which were exclusively about the recorded data and not about the 
recording metadata (which Google obviously has no interest in 
publishing).

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Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread James

> So you think the German community should be required to proactively
> communicate any subject they discuss in German language channels to the
> international community?

We have to do this for imports, the least you could have done is brought it
up on the talk mailing list.

On May 4, 2017 4:41 PM, "Michał Brzozowski"  wrote:

> So you think the German community should be required to proactively
> communicate any subject they discuss in German language channels to the
> international community?

I think the tools are _de facto_ used by the whole OSM community
worldwide, that's why I think any sort of announcement would be
appropriate. I am realistic.

> Well - HDYC is a tool offered by Pascal Neis, AFAIK it is not even open
> source.  Pascal could turn it off any time if he wanted to and of
> course he can also put up constraints.

Keep in mind that I don't make it appear that my requests are based on
something formal, they're not. I simply hope that people will tell him
they don't agree with me and two already did ;)

I think it also emphasizes how open-source tools are important. There
are tons of obscure analysis pages which don't have their source
available.

For starters, there's a little known program called ChangesetMD which
allows you to load changeset and discussion metadata to Postgres.
However, this is changeset only and one won't be able to do all of the
analyses (bboxes alone often are inaccurate, also no info on tags).

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Re: [OSM-talk] Follow up on last summer discussion about the Automated Edits Code of Conduct and the DWG

2017-05-04 Thread Victor Grousset/tuxayo

Hi,

On 2017-04-21 08:18, Roland Olbricht wrote:
> Thank you for keeping track of the issue. But I deem the summary
> reflects neither the current situation nor the fidings of the discussion.

You are right, it was a legacy of how this page started.
But now, it's misleading and the intro isn't enough to clarify that.

So I changed the name, the new URL is
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Tuxayo/Automated_edits_code_of_conduct_and_DWG:_Follow_up_to_mailing_list_discussion_and_proposals

Is that correct for you now?

> Some key points:
> 
> * There is no consent on what an automated edit is or not.

Indeed, I thought it was not related to the topic but in fact it is.
It seems a lot of disagreements are whether an edit is automated or not.

> It is pretty clear that your example (changing all phone~"^http://; to
> "https://; worldwide) is an automated edit. The grey cases are things
> like the French buildings import, the MapRoulette challenge in the
> Antartic region, and even the edit without local knowledge of Passau
> main station (hence a pretty small changeset) of our company.
> 
> All of these edits have at least made some data worse and have therefore
> been discussed and partly fixed, partly kept for a reason. The fact that
> the word "automated" did cause confusion gave rise to the
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organized_Editing_Policy

Thanks a lot I didn't know there was such a policy.

> The two extreme positions are
> - Any edit without local knowledge is by its nature flawed.
> - We regulate only edits run by a bot.
> 
> I personally (or we as a company) do not endorse any of the two extremes.
> 
> They key point is that to be productive you should:
> - define and publish your own criterion (e.g. one of
> -- changesets of unusual large extent
> -- unusual high activity per tag and day
> -- changesets having "revert" in their comment)
> - give it a specific name and set up a watch tool for it

These are interesting ideas for monitoring tools.

> * The DWG is not so special as you might think
> 
> The DWG members are indeed special in dedicating huge amounts of time to
> fix human misbehaviour, and we should be grateful for that. The DWGs job
> is communication, not pushing around data.
> 


> Most of the actual reverting is done by mappers outside the DWG. 

That's good to hear, how do you know that? I though a lot of people
would report issues to the DWG instead of reverting themselves.
Maybe it's only the case so automated edits?

> Also,
> DWG members do not have any special rights. Moderation (and possibly
> redaction) is essentially done by the sysadmins, not the DWG.

Aren't DWG members moderators? Which means they have the permission to
block an account.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Web_front_end#Moderators
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data_working_group#User_Blocks

> I agree that from outside, the DWG activity is hard to judge. The
> problem here is that nobody has found a magic solution how to make DWG
> activity public without asking the DWG for substantially more work,

Would an issue tracking system suits this situation?

> damaging the reputation of involved mappers, or both.

Oh, good point. That indeed seems to make this impossible to solve
without magic :(


> I therefore would suggest to make clear-cut rules:
> 
> a) If you can decide freely what to map, where to map, and how to map
> then OSM will trust all your edits that are based on local survey. Happy
> mapping!
> 
> b) If you are directed by an organization (regardless whether you are
> paid or voluntary) then use a dedicated account and put a line on your
> user profile, e.g.:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/drolbr_mdv
> That organization should have a corresponding Wiki page, e.g.:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MENTZ_GmbH
> 
> c) If you run a software where you do not approve as a human every
> individual edit (every single change of a tag or change in geometry or
> topology) then you need to follow the Automated Edits Code of Conduct
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct

That's great. It seems very clear and I don't see much ambiguity.

> This still leaves open the case of Armchair Mapping of all shades.

Indeed, this shows that Armchair Mapping is orthogonal to the 3 above
categories.

> An example with net benefit for OSM is MapRoulette. Therefore I would
> suggest to ask Martijn first for his best practices and then start to
> make rules on that.

Ask about what exactly? About how to avoid the issues with armchair mapping?


Cheers,

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Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

> So you think the German community should be required to proactively
> communicate any subject they discuss in German language channels to the
> international community?

I think the tools are _de facto_ used by the whole OSM community
worldwide, that's why I think any sort of announcement would be
appropriate. I am realistic.

> Well - HDYC is a tool offered by Pascal Neis, AFAIK it is not even open
> source.  Pascal could turn it off any time if he wanted to and of
> course he can also put up constraints.

Keep in mind that I don't make it appear that my requests are based on
something formal, they're not. I simply hope that people will tell him
they don't agree with me and two already did ;)

I think it also emphasizes how open-source tools are important. There
are tons of obscure analysis pages which don't have their source
available.

For starters, there's a little known program called ChangesetMD which
allows you to load changeset and discussion metadata to Postgres.
However, this is changeset only and one won't be able to do all of the
analyses (bboxes alone often are inaccurate, also no info on tags).

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Re: [Talk-es] Bibliobús

2017-05-04 Thread dcapillae

¡Hola, Alan! ¡Bienvenido al foro!

La verdad es que este tema de la parada del bibliobús está tan abierto a
interpretaciones que no va a ser fácil evitar cierta polémica. Comprendo la
necesidad de salvaguardar las etiquetas que se refieran a transporte público
de pasajeros en un grupo bien diferenciado para que no acaben mezclándose
con otro tipo de características, aunque no deja de ser interpretable que
una parada de autobús tenga que ser necesariamente una parada de autobús
destinado al transporte público.

Al final vamos a tener que aceptar una solución de consenso sujeta a cierto
convencionalismo para que al menos usemos todos el mismo esquema de
etiquetado con los bibliobuses. Me parece bien lo de salvaguardar las
etiquetas dedicadas a transporte público de pasajeros como un grupo bien
diferenciado. Si no se usa la etiqueta "highway=bus_stop" con los
bibliobuses tampoco pasa nada. Lo importante es no dejar de utilizar
"amenity=mobile_library" donde corresponda.



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Re: [Talk-it] Top 250 dell'Italia

sent from a phone

> On 4. May 2017, at 22:21, Aury88  wrote:
> 
> PS:penso che una cosa del genere potrebbe essere molto utile integrata nelle
> statistiche del sito per gli  estratti [1] (sempre che la cosa non porti ad
> un eccessiva gamificazione).

potrebbe anche aiutare per capire chi ha fatto import grossi se si guarda la 
differenza alle statistiche dell'ultimo estratto. Sui estratti piccoli penso la 
riga mette secondi.

ciao,
Martin 
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Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread Nicolás Alvarez

2017-05-04 17:21 GMT-03:00 Christoph Hormann :
> On Thursday 04 May 2017, Michał Brzozowski wrote:
>> Maybe this is due to some "moral panic" in Germany revolving around
>> privacy, just like StreetView ban - except it's made clear that your
>> edits are public and you agree to it!
>
> Just to make this clear since there are likely quite a few people
> reading here who will not be able or willing to parse the discussion on
> the German forum - discussion there was about privacy concerns w.r.t.
> editing metadata, which is what is the basis of HDYC.  Mixing this with
> the subject of openness of geodata and privacy concerns reagarding
> geodata (like mappers recording names from the doors of private homes
> etc.) is not really appropriate - two very different matters which need
> to be considered separately.

I don't think Michał was mixing those two different matters. "Your
edits are public" also means the fact that *you* edited *that
particular* piece of data is public, from which someone could infer
eg. where you live; it's not mixing the subject of privacy concerns
with the data itself.

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Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread Christoph Hormann

On Thursday 04 May 2017, Michał Brzozowski wrote:
>
> https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=57813
>
> I don't like the idea how this was never introduced and discussed
> outside of the German forum.

So you think the German community should be required to proactively 
communicate any subject they discuss in German language channels to the 
international community?

> I think that such "privacy" measures are futile and go against the
> spirit of OSM - transparency.

Well - HDYC is a tool offered by Pascal Neis, AFAIK it is not even open 
source.  Pascal could turn it off any time if he wanted to and of 
course he can also put up constraints.

If you think that is against the spirit of OSM that is up to you but 
don't forget that there are tons of tools based on OSM data developed 
and run with restricted access you never hear about.  It is not really 
conceivable how in case of HDYC making such a tool available for all 
mappers based on authentification with an OSM account makes this less 
in the spirit of OSM than a private tool that is not even known to the 
public.

> Maybe this is due to some "moral panic" in Germany revolving around
> privacy, just like StreetView ban - except it's made clear that your
> edits are public and you agree to it!

Just to make this clear since there are likely quite a few people 
reading here who will not be able or willing to parse the discussion on 
the German forum - discussion there was about privacy concerns w.r.t. 
editing metadata, which is what is the basis of HDYC.  Mixing this with 
the subject of openness of geodata and privacy concerns reagarding 
geodata (like mappers recording names from the doors of private homes 
etc.) is not really appropriate - two very different matters which need 
to be considered separately.

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Re: [Talk-it] Top 250 dell'Italia

2017-05-04 Thread Aury88

OoO caspita! sono 70-esimo! onestamente non mi aspettavo di essere messo così
bene in classifica...pensavo di essere oltre  il 100-esimo (verso il 150).
per me è un risultato più che soddisfacente.


PS:penso che una cosa del genere potrebbe essere molto utile integrata nelle
statistiche del sito per gli  estratti [1] (sempre che la cosa non porti ad
un eccessiva gamificazione). se fosse integrato in osm.org potrebbe
addirittura essere una risposta alla problematica dei nuovi mappatori che
non sanno a chi rivolgersi in caso di dubbi; così avrebbero almeno una
indicazione sui mappatori più esperti dell'area di loro interesse,
potenzialmente contattabili per risolvere dubbi o avere suggerimenti 


[1]http://osm-estratti.wmflabs.org/estratti/



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Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread Denis Carriere

+1 both James & Michal's comments.

Thanks Michal for bringing up this undiscussed topic to the mailing list.

*~~*
*Denis Carriere*
*GIS Software & Systems Specialist*

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:42 PM, James  wrote:

> What Michal said. Any body can download the OSM data and run the same
> analysis. You agreed to contribute to OSM, if you want your online
> footprint to be non-existant: unplug your internet.
>
> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Michał Brzozowski 
> wrote:
>
>> Many know Pascal Neis' site HDYC which displays detais about an OSM
>> user, like first created node, activity area, edit stats and so on:
>>
>> http://hdyc.neis-one.org/
>>
>> Today to view any stats of a user you have to login with OSM.
>> Pascal replied to me that this is related to this discussion on the
>> German users forum:
>>
>> https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=57813
>>
>> I don't like the idea how this was never introduced and discussed
>> outside of the German forum.
>> I think that such "privacy" measures are futile and go against the
>> spirit of OSM - transparency.
>>
>> Maybe this is due to some "moral panic" in Germany revolving around
>> privacy, just like StreetView ban - except it's made clear that your
>> edits are public and you agree to it!
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread James

What Michal said. Any body can download the OSM data and run the same
analysis. You agreed to contribute to OSM, if you want your online
footprint to be non-existant: unplug your internet.

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Michał Brzozowski 
wrote:

> Many know Pascal Neis' site HDYC which displays detais about an OSM
> user, like first created node, activity area, edit stats and so on:
>
> http://hdyc.neis-one.org/
>
> Today to view any stats of a user you have to login with OSM.
> Pascal replied to me that this is related to this discussion on the
> German users forum:
>
> https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=57813
>
> I don't like the idea how this was never introduced and discussed
> outside of the German forum.
> I think that such "privacy" measures are futile and go against the
> spirit of OSM - transparency.
>
> Maybe this is due to some "moral panic" in Germany revolving around
> privacy, just like StreetView ban - except it's made clear that your
> edits are public and you agree to it!
>
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[Talk-it] santella o crocefisso?

2017-05-04 Thread demon.box

secondo voi come si mappa?

 

perchè ha sia le caratteristiche di un historic=wayside_shrine come santella
votiva
ma anche di un historic=wayside_cross come crocefisso...

che dite?

grazie.

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[OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

Many know Pascal Neis' site HDYC which displays detais about an OSM
user, like first created node, activity area, edit stats and so on:

http://hdyc.neis-one.org/

Today to view any stats of a user you have to login with OSM.
Pascal replied to me that this is related to this discussion on the
German users forum:

https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=57813

I don't like the idea how this was never introduced and discussed
outside of the German forum.
I think that such "privacy" measures are futile and go against the
spirit of OSM - transparency.

Maybe this is due to some "moral panic" in Germany revolving around
privacy, just like StreetView ban - except it's made clear that your
edits are public and you agree to it!

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Cartographie « à l'avance »

2017-05-04 Thread Ades

Je ne savais pas que Raymond Queneau, assisté de Zazie, contribuait à OSM...

> Le 4 mai 2017 à 13:17, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit :
> 
> Bonjour Françoise,
>> Le 04/05/2017 à 11:41, FR - webmas...@libres-chemins.org a écrit :
>> Pour les autres que faire ?
> que reste-t-il si on corrige les building et tree ? Les ways ?
> 
> J'ai fait mon colibri :
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/45649310#map=19/43.31697/5.37177
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/45649292#map=18/43.31710/5.37121
> 
> Je vois que j'ai 457 éditions en 7 ans et "MarcelineOSM" 1 753 en un an.
> 
> Je ne prétends pas être un gros contributeur, mais ça semble effectivement 
> plus proche de sefaireconnaitre que d'une "vraie" contributrice (je n'ai rien 
> contre le fait que des entreprise payent pour mettre à jour les données mais 
> il faut une certaine neutralité, ici plein d'arbres, y compris avec variété 
> fleurissent, oui dans le lien tu verras une "Rue Pavée" et la source 
> http://www.cogedim-logement.com/sites/default/files/documents/139492/48241brochure1.pdf
>  dit RUE PAVÉE ). Quant aux Maisons Blanches... Tiens les chemins piétonniers 
> ce n'est pas mal non plus : http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7141864, ça 
> me fait penser à ce que je disais sur la cartographie sans modèle.
> Oui effectivement ça en fait du b...
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[Talk-it] Bug di JOSM 12039 ?

2017-05-04 Thread Andrea Albani

Ciao,

ho appena aggiornato JOSM alla build 12039 e mi succede una cosa strana.
Per riprodurla:
- scaricate i dati di una zona a piacere da OSM
- premete TAB per nascondere il toolbox e di nuovo per farlo apparire

Il risultato è che ad ogni pressione di TAB quello che si trova a schermo
si trasla a destra!

Stessa cosa se aggiungete un layer di imagery tipo mapbox e poi cliccate
l'iconcina con quadrati bianchi e neri di fianco al nome del layer per
settare o meno che la risoluzione segue la risoluzione nativa del layer.

Capita anche a voi ?


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[Talk-at] Linuxwochen Wien 2017

2017-05-04 Thread ScubbX


Hallo!

Ich werde morgen (Freitag) auf die Linuxwochen schauen und habe 
angeboten, dass ich einen kleinen OSM-Info-Corner in den Pausen zwischen 
den Vorträgen betreuen kann.


Ich freue mich, wenn mich jemand dabei unterstützen will!

Beste Grüße,
Markus


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] hoe peuktegel mappen?

2017-05-04 Thread Marc Gemis

Philippe, is er een reden waarom je ze zelf niet mapped?

m

Op 4 mei 2017 14:25 schreef "Philippe Casteleyn" <
philippecastel...@hotmail.com>:

> Hier eentje in Mechelen dat jullie meteen mogen mappen.
>
>
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=N89OSCqffK0BS5Ph2CYupA;
> lat=51.026045811034436=4.477810642821396=17=
> photo=2017-04-01=2017-05-31=0.4944610155060035=0.
> 4485594008700362=0
>
>
>
>
> 
> Belgium, photo by filipc
> 
> www.mapillary.com
> Capture and explore the world with street-level photos. Longitude:
> 4.477810642821409 Latitude: 51.026045811034436
>
> Om in de sfeer te blijven voor (honden)liefhebbers = excrementen
>
>
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=51.228791=2.916024=
> 17=3EJ-GPllIt4KYk0_m7Mreg=photo
>
> 
> Belgium, photo by filipc
> 
> www.mapillary.com
> Capture and explore the world with street-level photos. Longitude:
> 2.916024 Latitude: 51.228791
>
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Re: [OSM-co] Resumen de Talk-co, Vol 106, Envío 1

2017-05-04 Thread Nicolás Vargas Ramírez

It seems that opengislab is conducting a research about antivandalism in
OSM. I wrote to him here http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/48290750#
and directly. I'll let you know about his reply

---

Parece que opengislab está llevando a cabo una investigación sobre
antivandalismo en OSM. Le escribí aquí
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/48290750# y directamente. Les haré
saber sobre su respuesta

El 4 de mayo de 2017, 7:00,  escribió:

> Envíe los mensajes para la lista Talk-co a
> talk-co@openstreetmap.org
>
> Para subscribirse o anular su subscripción a través de la WEB
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
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> O por correo electrónico, enviando un mensaje con el texto "help" en
> el asunto (subject) o en el cuerpo a:
> talk-co-requ...@openstreetmap.org
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> Puede contactar con el responsable de la lista escribiendo a:
> talk-co-ow...@openstreetmap.org
>
> Si responde a algún contenido de este mensaje, por favor, edite la
> linea del asunto (subject) para que el texto sea mas especifico que:
> "Re: Contents of Talk-co digest...". Además, por favor, incluya en la
> respuesta sólo aquellas partes del mensaje a las que está
> respondiendo.
>
> Asuntos del día:
>
>1. Doodles in the middle of the jungle / Garabatos en medio  de
>   la selva (Andy Townsend)
>
>
> -- Mensaje reenviado --
> From: Andy Townsend 
> To: talk-co@openstreetmap.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 13:16:31 +0100
> Subject: [OSM-co] Doodles in the middle of the jungle / Garabatos en medio
> de la selva
>
> It's been deleted now, but someone using the "opengislab" account has been
> doodling again (you can zoom in at https://osmlab.github.io/
> changeset-map/#48290750 ).
>
> Could someone from the local community please tell them to stop before
> they get banned?
>
> Changeset discussions with this user are at http://resultmaps.neis-one.
> org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=2400609 .
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy Townsend, on behalf of OpenStreetMap's Data Working Group
>
>
> (Traducción aproximada)
>
> Se ha eliminado ahora, pero alguien que usa la cuenta "opengislab" ha
> vuelto a doodling (puede ampliarlo en https://osmlab.github.io/
> changeset-map/#48290750).
>
> ¿Podría alguien de la comunidad local, por favor, decirles que se detengan
> antes de ser prohibidos?
>
> Las discusiones de Changeset con este usuario están en
> http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=2400609.
>
> Atentamente,
>
> Andy Townsend, en nombre del Grupo de Trabajo de Datos de OpenStreetMap
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[Talk-transit] Google Summer of Code 2017 JOSM PT_Assistant plugin

Giacomo Servadei was accepted  for continuing development on the JOSM
PT_Assistant plugin. Darya Golovko started to work on this plugin last
year  and she succeeded in making the mapping and correcting of public
transport route relations a lot more convenient and efficient. She will be
co-mentoring the project this year. Michael Zangl will help by doing review
of the Java code, even though he is mentoring another JOSM related GSoC
project.

I'm not entirely sure if it's wise to cross post this message (so sorry if
it wasn't)

* To the JOSM-dev mailing list: please welcome Giacomo. He may have some
questions for you along the way. And maybe some of you want to help out by
looking at the code too.

* To the public_transport mailing list:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2017/PT_Assistant_Plugin

The above is what I have in mind to work on this year. Maybe you see things
I missed, or you want to help with beta testing. Please let me know. If the
plugin has issues, don't hesitate to create tickets on JOSM's bug tracker (
http://josm.openstreetmap.de/newticket)

I'm prepared to do Hangout sessions to discuss mapping of public transport
in OpenStreetMap.

I also want to extend the scope of the plugin, so  it works for hiking and
cycling route relations. The semantics are a bit different than public
transport version 2 route relations, but a lot of what is in the plugin can
be reused for those itineraries.

Due to how GSoC works, it may take until the end of June before we start
seeing results. During the month of May we are mostly doing preparation
during the community bonding period.

The plugin is already available to work with in JOSM though. And it is
already very useful for detecting problems and fixing some of them. So
please try it and give us some feedback.

Polyglot
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[Talk-cz] Schránky - aktualizace 05/17

2017-05-04 Thread Marián Kyral


Ahoj,
aktualizoval jsem poštovní schránky v POI importeru. (Zatím jsem 
nekoukal co se od března změnilo).


Při té příležitosti bych měl prosbu. Kdosi se mi nedávno ozval, že zná 
někoho z české pošty, kdo má ty soubory na starost. Bohužel se mi nedaří 
ten email dohledat, takže nevím, zda to šlo konferencí, nebo soukromě.


Pokud to tedy dotyčný čte, můžu poprosit, zda by nešlo zařídit přidání 
nějakého jednoznačného identifikátoru schránky? Hodně by to pomohlo při 
párování dat, jak už s OSM tak i s dohledanými schránkami, které v 
datech nemají souřadnice. Současný stav je tak trochu na houby.


Díky,
Marián

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Re: [Talk-it] Un tag per le baite d'alpeggio

2017-05-04 16:58 GMT+02:00 mbranco :

> Non voglio riaprire la discussione, dico solo che non mi dispiaceva



penso finchè riusciremmo a documentare qualcosa nel wiki dovremmo sempre
riaprire le vecchie discussioni, perché se non si trova consenso oppure se
quel consenso non viene documentato è normale che ritorniamo ogni tanto
alle stesse discussioni ;-)

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Re: [Talk-it] Un tag per le baite d'alpeggio

2017-05-04 14:20 GMT+02:00 mbranco :

> Beh, visto che la lingua dei tag OSM è in lingua inglese, vanno bene solo i
> termini inglese-inglese e se invece l'etimo è scozzese non va più bene? (da
> notare che è un tag usato in Scandinavia, in Inghilterra e Scozia non ce
> n'è
> neanche uno, di shieling).
>


beh, ogniuno può sempre fare quel che vuole, per me in certi casi non ha
senso usare un termine specifico e estendere l'uso a tutto il mondo, dove
esistono tipologie simili ma solitamente descritti con altri termini.
Userei il termine "hut", ben diffuso e anche secondo wikipedia una
sopracategoria di shieling, come valore di building e hut=* per
classificare più nel dettaglio il sottotipo locale. Non userei
probabilmente la chiave "historic" perché non è molto chiaro cosa vuole
dire (struttura antica e non più in uso, oppure ancora in uso, oppure al
solito struttura storica, ma forse anche solo di un tipo simile ma recente
e non più in uso, o forse si, ecc.).

Guardando l'uso del tag historic=shieling è evidente che l'uso attuale
risale a 3 imports in Scandinavia l'anno scorso. Non mi sembra un ottimo
indicatore che non ci sia uso altrove, anzi per me sarebbe un indizio di un
tag scelto male.




> Io quando leggo
> "...  summer dwelling on a seasonal pasture high in the hills, particularly
> for shepherds and later coming to mean a more substantial and permanent
> small farm building in stone."
>
> e
>
> "Farmers and their families lived in shielings during the summer to have
> their livestock graze common land. Shielings were therefore associated with
> the transhumance system of agriculture."
>
> trovo che siano definizioni aderenti alle nostre baite.
>
>


si, decisamente. Non lo leggo nella definizione pero. Lo leggo soltanto su
wikipedia. Nella definizione leggo: "An abandoned mountain pasture."
(versione breve) che sarebbe un pascolo abandonato, "or summer mountain
farm" (versione "estesa").
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dshieling

In wikipedia invece leggo: "A shieling (Scottish Gaelic: àirigh), also
spelt sheiling, shealing and sheeling, is a hut, or collection of huts,
 The word also refers to a mountain pasture used for the grazing of
cattle in summer."

Quindi sia nel wiki di OSM che in Wikipedia c'è scritto che potrebbe essere
un pascolo oppure un edificio.

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[Talk-it] Presentazione progetto #cittasenzamemoria

2017-05-04 Thread paolo bubici

Volevo presentare a tutta lista il progetto di collaborative mapping *
#cittasenzamemoria *nato alcuni mesi fa da una idea di Nino Galante,
Giovanni Cascafico e Bubix. Lo scopo è quello di avviare un censimento
basato su OpenStreetMap per avere un quadro conoscitivo di tutti i toponimi
dedicati a Vittorio Emanuele III
. Il motivo
di tutto ciò è sorto nella Giornata della Memoria che è una ricorrenza
internazionale celebrata il 27 gennaio di ogni anno come giornata in
commemorazione delle vittime dell'Olocausto perché si è riscontrato
attraverso una mappa   realizzata da Nino
Galante che esistono ancora scuole che portano ancora il nome di Vittorio
Emanuele III che firmò le leggi razziali in Italia! Siccome tale lavoro è
stato da spunto per aggiornare le scuole italiane che hanno questa
caratteristica toponomastica su OpenStreetMap
 pensai
che si potesse estendere tale progetto a tutte le strade e piazze che
portano ancora il nome di Vittorio Emanuele III. A tal punto caricai i dati
Osm su una  mappa  Umap a cui iniaziarono a
individuare i toponimi Giovanni Cascafico
 - GB Vitrano
 - Federico Cortese
 . Da qui creai la pagina wiki
Osm:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vittorio_Emanuele_III

in cui sono riportate tutte le informazioni sull'avanzamento dello stato
dell'arte del progetto. Ad oggi sono stati verificati confrontado i dati
Istat del Censimento dalla mappa  ad Osm
tutti toponimi di Liguria e Piemonte. Se volete potete aggiornare la
pagina wiki
Osm

con
le altre regioni. Penso che sia un'occasione per conoscere meglio le nostre
strade e i suoi toponimi e chiederci sui motivi storici per cui permangono
dopo tanti anno nelle nostre città.

Grazie per l'attenzione e la collaborazione di Cascafico e Cortese che mi
hanno supportato in questa ricerca.

Come sempre buon mapping!

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Re: [Talk-es] Bibliobús

2017-05-04 Thread Héctor Ochoa

Aquí tenéis uno de los postes en cuestión:
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=41.6567764167=-0.858725527786=17=q-jl1iBHSrRAZCeMzYvmPQ=photo=0.48903680578304154=0.44621386400477986=0

El 4 de mayo de 2017 15:58:57 CEST, Jo  escribió:
>su itinerario no tienen ninguna interés o importancia  y como no va
>recoger
>la gente para trransportarles, no veo lo de highway=bus_stop.
>
>Lo hariamos tambien para  buses que hacen test de cancer? o una tienda
>sobre ruedas que va de un mercado a otro?
>
>Jo
>
>2017-05-04 15:28 GMT+02:00 Carlos Cámara :
>
>> Yo no me lo había planteado hasta leer de nuevo y ver la propuesta de
>> Héctor, pero le veo mucho sentido dado que efectivamente existe un
>poste en
>> el que no solo para el bibliobus sino que se especifica su horario y
>demás
>> información relevante.
>>
>> +1 a poner higway=bus_stop y +1 a la relación de la ruta (aunque en
>mi
>> caso no tengo ni idea de dónde obtener esa información)
>>
>> Saludos,
>>
>> Carlos Cámara
>> http://carloscamara.es
>>
>> 2017-05-04 15:16 GMT+02:00 Alejandro S. :
>>
>>> Yo veo bien el highway=bus_stop y también puede ser interesante
>hacer una
>>> relación route=bus como indica [0] que recoja la ruta del biblio bus
>y sus
>>> paradas.
>>>
>>>
>>> [0]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref:isil
>>>
>>> Atentamente,
>>>   Alejandro Suárez
>>>
>>> 2017-05-04 13:58 GMT+02:00 Jo :
>>>
 añadir highway=bus_stop no me parece buena idea. No es que ese bus
>va
 transportar gente de un paradero a otro.

 Polyglot

 2017-05-04 12:36 GMT+02:00 Carlos Cámara :

> Hola, yo me topé con la misma duda que tú hace un tiempo y tras
>leer
> estas dos wikis
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dmobile_library
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref:isil
>
> Opté por un etiquetado convencional de biblioteca con la salvedad
>de
> que puse "amenity=mobile_library (ver:http://www.openstreetmap.
> org/node/4783469727) y puse su horario. Viendo tu etiquetado quizá
> estaría bien añadir highway=bus_stop
>
> Saludos,
>
>
>
> Carlos Cámara
> http://carloscamara.es
>
> 2017-05-04 12:12 GMT+02:00 Héctor Ochoa :
>
>> Buenas, me ha entrado la duda de cómo mapear una parada de
>bibliobús:
>> https://twitter.com/ZGZBibliotecas/status/860062726860795904
>>
>> Se trata de un servicio de biblioteca en barrios que no tienen
>> población suficiente para justificar una y tienen la biblioteca
>más cercana
>> a bastante distancia.
>> Es un bus que tiene una biblioteca dentro y que se recorre dichos
>> barrios con un horario fijo.
>>
>> Mapeé hace tiempo una de las paradas, pero no se si es la mejor
>forma
>> de hacerlo.
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3891577485
>>
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Re: [Talk-it] Un tag per le baite d'alpeggio

2017-05-04 Thread mbranco

@Dario e @Andrea:
grazie, nella mia ricerca non avevo pensato di cercare "malga", in effetti è
proprio la discussione che cercavo.

Non voglio riaprire la discussione, dico solo che non mi dispiaceva
distinguere le fattorie/cascine (tipicamente di pianura) dalle
malghe/alpeggi (certo che "mountain_farm" o "summer_mountain_farm" rendeva
bene l'idea...)

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Re: [Talk-es] Bibliobús

2017-05-04 Thread Alejandro S.

Siento discrepar, pero que el itinerario no tenga utilidad para ti no
quiere decir que para otras personas no pueda resultarle internaste.

Atentamente,
  Alejandro Suárez

2017-05-04 15:58 GMT+02:00 Jo :

> su itinerario no tienen ninguna interés o importancia  y como no va
> recoger la gente para trransportarles, no veo lo de highway=bus_stop.
>
> Lo hariamos tambien para  buses que hacen test de cancer? o una tienda
> sobre ruedas que va de un mercado a otro?
>
> Jo
>
> 2017-05-04 15:28 GMT+02:00 Carlos Cámara :
>
>> Yo no me lo había planteado hasta leer de nuevo y ver la propuesta de
>> Héctor, pero le veo mucho sentido dado que efectivamente existe un poste en
>> el que no solo para el bibliobus sino que se especifica su horario y demás
>> información relevante.
>>
>> +1 a poner higway=bus_stop y +1 a la relación de la ruta (aunque en mi
>> caso no tengo ni idea de dónde obtener esa información)
>>
>> Saludos,
>>
>> Carlos Cámara
>> http://carloscamara.es
>>
>> 2017-05-04 15:16 GMT+02:00 Alejandro S. :
>>
>>> Yo veo bien el highway=bus_stop y también puede ser interesante hacer
>>> una relación route=bus como indica [0] que recoja la ruta del biblio bus y
>>> sus paradas.
>>>
>>>
>>> [0]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref:isil
>>>
>>> Atentamente,
>>>   Alejandro Suárez
>>>
>>> 2017-05-04 13:58 GMT+02:00 Jo :
>>>
 añadir highway=bus_stop no me parece buena idea. No es que ese bus va
 transportar gente de un paradero a otro.

 Polyglot

 2017-05-04 12:36 GMT+02:00 Carlos Cámara :

> Hola, yo me topé con la misma duda que tú hace un tiempo y tras leer
> estas dos wikis
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dmobile_library
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref:isil
>
> Opté por un etiquetado convencional de biblioteca con la salvedad de
> que puse "amenity=mobile_library (ver:http://www.openstreetmap.
> org/node/4783469727) y puse su horario. Viendo tu etiquetado quizá
> estaría bien añadir highway=bus_stop
>
> Saludos,
>
>
>
> Carlos Cámara
> http://carloscamara.es
>
> 2017-05-04 12:12 GMT+02:00 Héctor Ochoa :
>
>> Buenas, me ha entrado la duda de cómo mapear una parada de bibliobús:
>> https://twitter.com/ZGZBibliotecas/status/860062726860795904
>>
>> Se trata de un servicio de biblioteca en barrios que no tienen
>> población suficiente para justificar una y tienen la biblioteca más 
>> cercana
>> a bastante distancia.
>> Es un bus que tiene una biblioteca dentro y que se recorre dichos
>> barrios con un horario fijo.
>>
>> Mapeé hace tiempo una de las paradas, pero no se si es la mejor forma
>> de hacerlo.
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3891577485
>>
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Re: [Talk-es] Bibliobús

2017-05-04 Thread dcapillae

Estoy de acuerdo con el esquema de etiquetado que proponen Alejandro y
Carlos. De la información del wiki se extrae que este tipo de servicio de
autobuses hay que mapearlos como si se tratase de autobuses de línea
convencionales, con su relación tipo "ruta" y sus paradas predeterminadas,
con la diferencia obvia de que se trata de un servicio de biblioteca móvil
con paradas y horarios muy particulares. Habrá excepciones, por supuesto,
pero la regla general debería ser ésa.

En Málaga tenemos un  bibliobús

  
del que se conoce su ruta, sus horarios y sus paradas. En este caso y en
casos similares, no veo motivo para mapearlo de forma diferente a como se
mapea un autobús de línea convencional, añadiéndole su etiqueta
"amenity=mobile library" correspondiente.

Como curiosidad deciros que también existen biblioteca móviles que usan
camiones como medio de transporte para los libros, e incluso
bibliobicicletas. Os dejo un par de enlaces por si queréis curiosear sobre
estas iniciativas tan particulares:

-  Bibliobicicleta   : una idea original de
Alicia Tapia, bibliotecaria de San Francisco, que pretende acercar los
libros a la gente en la playa, en los parques, en la cafetería...
directamente en su bibliobicicleta.

-  The Book Truck   : un camión libro que
ofrece  libros gratis a los adolescentes de las comunidades marginadas en
ciudades como Los Ángeles o San Diego.



-
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Re: [OSM-talk] Old-style multipolygon cleanup is done!

2017-05-04 Thread Matthijs Melissen

On 4 May 2017 at 16:30, Jochen Topf  wrote:
> The old-style multipolygon relations are history! In not even two months
> the OSM community cleaned up all of the nearly a quarter million
> relations. You can see the it here:
> http://area.jochentopf.com/stats/#old_style_multipolygons

Thanks for the great work to Jochen and everyone else involved! On the
data consumption site, this will make things significantly easier.

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[OSM-talk] Old-style multipolygon cleanup is done!

2017-05-04 Thread Jochen Topf

Hi!

The old-style multipolygon relations are history! In not even two months
the OSM community cleaned up all of the nearly a quarter million
relations. You can see the it here:
http://area.jochentopf.com/stats/#old_style_multipolygons

This is much faster than I (and probably everybody else) had
anticipated. There are a few old-style multipolygons around, some of
them have no members at all, some only relation members (which isn't
allowed for multipolygon relations) and some have been created in the
last days. I expect that we will get new ones occasionally from editors
and/or mappers who don't know yet, that they shouldn't do that, but
that's not a big problem.

So that part of the great (multi)polygon fixing effort is done. Huge
thanks to everybody involved! But there are still geometry errors to
fix.

Find more information here: http://area.jochentopf.com/

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[Talk-se] NVDB CC0 hastigheter och cykelvägar som tiles

2017-05-04 Thread Joakim Fors

Hepp!

Labbade lite med NVDB CC0 data. Kan säkert med fördel användas som QA-verktyg 
för att mappa hastigheter eller helt enkelt bara vägar. Borde rimligtvis också 
gå att använda för att justera flygbilder och mappa ute i urskogen. Kom dock 
ihåg att NVDB inte alltid är komplett eller korrekt. :)

http://openstreetmap.se/nyheter/2017-05-04-nvdb-hastigheter

Petade också upp minimal konfiguration för mapserver och mapproxy här om någon 
vill labba själv lokalt: https://github.com/joakimfors/openstreetmap.se-nvdb 
(OBS att jag ersatt ä med a i filnamnen på datafilerna).

Datafilerna hittas via http://www.trafikverket.se/lastkajen/


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Re: [Talk-es] Bibliobús

su itinerario no tienen ninguna interés o importancia  y como no va recoger
la gente para trransportarles, no veo lo de highway=bus_stop.

Lo hariamos tambien para  buses que hacen test de cancer? o una tienda
sobre ruedas que va de un mercado a otro?

Jo

2017-05-04 15:28 GMT+02:00 Carlos Cámara :

> Yo no me lo había planteado hasta leer de nuevo y ver la propuesta de
> Héctor, pero le veo mucho sentido dado que efectivamente existe un poste en
> el que no solo para el bibliobus sino que se especifica su horario y demás
> información relevante.
>
> +1 a poner higway=bus_stop y +1 a la relación de la ruta (aunque en mi
> caso no tengo ni idea de dónde obtener esa información)
>
> Saludos,
>
> Carlos Cámara
> http://carloscamara.es
>
> 2017-05-04 15:16 GMT+02:00 Alejandro S. :
>
>> Yo veo bien el highway=bus_stop y también puede ser interesante hacer una
>> relación route=bus como indica [0] que recoja la ruta del biblio bus y sus
>> paradas.
>>
>>
>> [0]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref:isil
>>
>> Atentamente,
>>   Alejandro Suárez
>>
>> 2017-05-04 13:58 GMT+02:00 Jo :
>>
>>> añadir highway=bus_stop no me parece buena idea. No es que ese bus va
>>> transportar gente de un paradero a otro.
>>>
>>> Polyglot
>>>
>>> 2017-05-04 12:36 GMT+02:00 Carlos Cámara :
>>>
 Hola, yo me topé con la misma duda que tú hace un tiempo y tras leer
 estas dos wikis
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dmobile_library
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref:isil

 Opté por un etiquetado convencional de biblioteca con la salvedad de
 que puse "amenity=mobile_library (ver:http://www.openstreetmap.
 org/node/4783469727) y puse su horario. Viendo tu etiquetado quizá
 estaría bien añadir highway=bus_stop

 Saludos,



 Carlos Cámara
 http://carloscamara.es

 2017-05-04 12:12 GMT+02:00 Héctor Ochoa :

> Buenas, me ha entrado la duda de cómo mapear una parada de bibliobús:
> https://twitter.com/ZGZBibliotecas/status/860062726860795904
>
> Se trata de un servicio de biblioteca en barrios que no tienen
> población suficiente para justificar una y tienen la biblioteca más 
> cercana
> a bastante distancia.
> Es un bus que tiene una biblioteca dentro y que se recorre dichos
> barrios con un horario fijo.
>
> Mapeé hace tiempo una de las paradas, pero no se si es la mejor forma
> de hacerlo.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3891577485
>
> Gracias por adelantado.
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Re: [Talk-it] Un tag per le baite d'alpeggio

2017-05-04 Thread Andrea Musuruane

2017-05-04 14:51 GMT+02:00 Dario Zontini :

> Si potrebbe usare il tag delle malghe? In passato c'è stata una
> discussione su come mappare un malga per l'alpeggio
>

Qui c'è l'archivio della discussione:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-it/2016-February/051573.html

Alla fine si era deciso di usare building=farm
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-it/2016-February/051789.html

Ciao,

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Re: [Talk-es] Bibliobús

2017-05-04 Thread Alejandro S.

Yo veo bien el highway=bus_stop y también puede ser interesante hacer una
relación route=bus como indica [0] que recoja la ruta del biblio bus y sus
paradas.


[0]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref:isil

Atentamente,
  Alejandro Suárez

2017-05-04 13:58 GMT+02:00 Jo :

> añadir highway=bus_stop no me parece buena idea. No es que ese bus va
> transportar gente de un paradero a otro.
>
> Polyglot
>
> 2017-05-04 12:36 GMT+02:00 Carlos Cámara :
>
>> Hola, yo me topé con la misma duda que tú hace un tiempo y tras leer
>> estas dos wikis
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dmobile_library
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref:isil
>>
>> Opté por un etiquetado convencional de biblioteca con la salvedad de que
>> puse "amenity=mobile_library (ver:http://www.openstreetmap.
>> org/node/4783469727) y puse su horario. Viendo tu etiquetado quizá
>> estaría bien añadir highway=bus_stop
>>
>> Saludos,
>>
>>
>>
>> Carlos Cámara
>> http://carloscamara.es
>>
>> 2017-05-04 12:12 GMT+02:00 Héctor Ochoa :
>>
>>> Buenas, me ha entrado la duda de cómo mapear una parada de bibliobús:
>>> https://twitter.com/ZGZBibliotecas/status/860062726860795904
>>>
>>> Se trata de un servicio de biblioteca en barrios que no tienen población
>>> suficiente para justificar una y tienen la biblioteca más cercana a
>>> bastante distancia.
>>> Es un bus que tiene una biblioteca dentro y que se recorre dichos
>>> barrios con un horario fijo.
>>>
>>> Mapeé hace tiempo una de las paradas, pero no se si es la mejor forma de
>>> hacerlo.
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3891577485
>>>
>>> Gracias por adelantado.
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Re: [Talk-it] Un tag per le baite d'alpeggio

2017-05-04 Thread Dario Zontini

Si potrebbe usare il tag delle malghe? In passato c'è stata una discussione
su come mappare un malga per l'alpeggio


Dario Zontini

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Il 04 Mag 2017 2:40 PM, "Alessandro"  ha scritto:

> Il 04/05/2017 14:20, mbranco ha scritto:
>
>> Beh, visto che la lingua dei tag OSM è in lingua inglese, vanno bene solo
>> i
>> termini inglese-inglese e se invece l'etimo è scozzese non va più bene?
>> (da
>> notare che è un tag usato in Scandinavia, in Inghilterra e Scozia non ce
>> n'è
>> neanche uno, di shieling).
>>
>> Io quando leggo
>> "...  summer dwelling on a seasonal pasture high in the hills,
>> particularly
>> for shepherds and later coming to mean a more substantial and permanent
>> small farm building in stone."
>>
>> e
>>
>> "Farmers and their families lived in shielings during the summer to have
>> their livestock graze common land. Shielings were therefore associated
>> with
>> the transhumance system of agriculture."
>>
>> trovo che siano definizioni aderenti alle nostre baite.
>>
>>
>
> landuse=farmyard + seasonal=summer ?
>
>
> Se è per questo io per mappare le sedi delle protezioni civili uso
> emergency=ses_station che dovrebbe essere australiano ma che in pratica è
> la stessa cosa.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Taiwan Open Government Data License

2017-05-04 Thread 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson

Yes I asked legal-questions a week ago and no one answered. Perhaps
someone could ask them for me. Thanks.

> "KL" == Kathleen Lu  writes:

KL> Hi Dan,
KL> The English version, at least, appears less restrictive than CC BY 4.0, and
KL> closer to the Canada Open Government License. The license is not specific
KL> as to the type of attribution required.
KL> The conservative route, is, as Frederik said, to ask the agency if
KL> attribution on the osm.org/copyright webpage is acceptable. If it is, then
KL> I see no other barriers to using the data.  You might also ask the opinion
KL> of the Licensing Working Group at legal-questions at osmfoundation.org
KL> Best,
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Re: [Talk-it] Un tag per le baite d'alpeggio

2017-05-04 Thread Alessandro


Il 04/05/2017 14:20, mbranco ha scritto:

Beh, visto che la lingua dei tag OSM è in lingua inglese, vanno bene solo i
termini inglese-inglese e se invece l'etimo è scozzese non va più bene? (da
notare che è un tag usato in Scandinavia, in Inghilterra e Scozia non ce n'è
neanche uno, di shieling).

Io quando leggo
"...  summer dwelling on a seasonal pasture high in the hills, particularly
for shepherds and later coming to mean a more substantial and permanent
small farm building in stone."

e

"Farmers and their families lived in shielings during the summer to have
their livestock graze common land. Shielings were therefore associated with
the transhumance system of agriculture."

trovo che siano definizioni aderenti alle nostre baite.




landuse=farmyard + seasonal=summer ?


Se è per questo io per mappare le sedi delle protezioni civili uso 
emergency=ses_station che dovrebbe essere australiano ma che in pratica 
è la stessa cosa.



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[OSM-talk-be] hoe peuktegel mappen?

2017-05-04 Thread Philippe Casteleyn

Hier eentje in Mechelen dat jullie meteen mogen mappen.


https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=N89OSCqffK0BS5Ph2CYupA=51.026045811034436=4.477810642821396=17=photo=2017-04-01=2017-05-31=0.4944610155060035=0.4485594008700362=0



[https://d1cuyjsrcm0gby.cloudfront.net/N89OSCqffK0BS5Ph2CYupA/thumb-640.jpg]

Belgium, photo by 
filipc
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Capture and explore the world with street-level photos. Longitude: 
4.477810642821409 Latitude: 51.026045811034436


Om in de sfeer te blijven voor (honden)liefhebbers = excrementen


https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=51.228791=2.916024=17=3EJ-GPllIt4KYk0_m7Mreg=photo

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Latitude: 51.228791











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Re: [Talk-it] Un tag per le baite d'alpeggio

2017-05-04 Thread mbranco

Beh, visto che la lingua dei tag OSM è in lingua inglese, vanno bene solo i
termini inglese-inglese e se invece l'etimo è scozzese non va più bene? (da
notare che è un tag usato in Scandinavia, in Inghilterra e Scozia non ce n'è
neanche uno, di shieling).

Io quando leggo
"...  summer dwelling on a seasonal pasture high in the hills, particularly
for shepherds and later coming to mean a more substantial and permanent
small farm building in stone."

e

"Farmers and their families lived in shielings during the summer to have
their livestock graze common land. Shielings were therefore associated with
the transhumance system of agriculture."

trovo che siano definizioni aderenti alle nostre baite.



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Re: [Talk-it] Top 250 dell'Italia

2017-05-04 Thread Andrea Albani

Thanks Martin.

Vedo un sacco di nomi che ritrovo costantemente nei miei editing e a cui
"rubo" a volte il titolo di last modifier... non me ne volete :)

Noto purtroppo in posizione 28 con 666K+ oggetti Fredie... vecchia
conoscenza oggetto di qualche post in ML Italia che, si narra, abbia
ridisegnato poligoni, strade e POIs della pianura padana ad immagine e
somiglianza di Gmaps. Sigh!
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Re: [Talk-es] Bibliobús

añadir highway=bus_stop no me parece buena idea. No es que ese bus va
transportar gente de un paradero a otro.

Polyglot

2017-05-04 12:36 GMT+02:00 Carlos Cámara :

> Hola, yo me topé con la misma duda que tú hace un tiempo y tras leer estas
> dos wikis
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dmobile_library
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref:isil
>
> Opté por un etiquetado convencional de biblioteca con la salvedad de que
> puse "amenity=mobile_library (ver:http://www.openstreetmap.
> org/node/4783469727) y puse su horario. Viendo tu etiquetado quizá
> estaría bien añadir highway=bus_stop
>
> Saludos,
>
>
>
> Carlos Cámara
> http://carloscamara.es
>
> 2017-05-04 12:12 GMT+02:00 Héctor Ochoa :
>
>> Buenas, me ha entrado la duda de cómo mapear una parada de bibliobús:
>> https://twitter.com/ZGZBibliotecas/status/860062726860795904
>>
>> Se trata de un servicio de biblioteca en barrios que no tienen población
>> suficiente para justificar una y tienen la biblioteca más cercana a
>> bastante distancia.
>> Es un bus que tiene una biblioteca dentro y que se recorre dichos barrios
>> con un horario fijo.
>>
>> Mapeé hace tiempo una de las paradas, pero no se si es la mejor forma de
>> hacerlo.
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3891577485
>>
>> Gracias por adelantado.
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Re: [Talk-cz] Nekonecna rekurze :-)

2017-05-04 Thread Milan Cerny

To je zajímavé, tuhle trasu jsem nedávno opravoval a té vlastní relace v 
seznamu prvků jsem si nevšiml. Pro zajímavost jsem to zkusil nasimulovat a v iD 
se mi to vůbec nepovedlo. 
Podle historie relace k tomu došlo v editoru P2, který to asi umožňuje. Možná 
by stálo za to, aby to zkusil nasimulovat někdo kdo s P2 umí, případně pak 
reportovat bug.
Trasu jsem ještě rozdělil, část kolem Dyleně udělal jako novou relaci.

Milan  

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> Předmět: [Talk-cz] Nekonecna rekurze :-)
>
>Ahoj, par dni zpatky mi zacalo padat generovani mapy na
>http://osm.fit.vutbr.cz/xhnili07/. Dneska jsem se dokopal zjistit
>proc. Vinikem byla tato relace:
>
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2241590
>
>ktera ukazovala sama na sebe a vytvarela tak nekonecnou rekurzi.
>Problem jsem opravil (spolu s opakujicimi se segmenty jedne z cest),
>tak jen pokud mate nekdo potize, tak snad zitra pri novych datech
>zmizi L:-)
>
>(a blby nazev sady zmen je muj preklep, za tohle JOSM nemuze...)
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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Mappe non attribuite !!

2017-05-04 Thread Cascafico Giovanni

Il giorno 4 maggio 2017 12:28, Alessandro Palmas <
alessandro.pal...@wikimedia.it> ha scritto:

> Il 04/05/2017 12:13, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto:
>
>
>
> si, non solo, usano proprio i tileserver di osm. Hai scritto a loro?
>
>
> Sì. AUTOCIT: ".. ho già provveduto ad inviare mail richiedendo che appaia
> l'attribuzione sulla mappa."
>
> Boh, al momento non riesco a vedere la mappa, ne' il sorgente html. C'è la
notizia  che il servizio è stato lanciato in via sperimentale da poco [1].
In ogni caso sarebbe meglio fargli avere il link delle policies [2].

[1]
http://bologna.repubblica.it/cronaca/2017/05/02/news/allerta_meteo_portale_regionale-164421093/
[2] https://operations.osmfoundation.org/policies/tiles
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Re: [Talk-it] Top 250 dell'Italia

2017-05-04 Thread Andreas Lattmann

Complimenti!!! 
Grazie anche per aver segnalato fastdraw, che ho visto molte volte e che non ho 
mai usato!!

Il 4 maggio 2017 12:14:24 CEST, Max1234Ita  ha scritto:
>Wow, sono il n.6 in Italia! ^^
>...E non faccio nessun import: disegno tutto a mano!
>(a questo proposito, credo di dovere molto al plugin FastDraw di Josm:
>scontorni un bosco di medie dimensioni e "produci" 500 nodi come
>niente...)
>
>
>Buona giornata a tutti,
>Max
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Cartographie « à l'avance »

2017-05-04 Thread osm . sanspourriel


Bonjour Françoise,
Le 04/05/2017 à 11:41, FR - webmas...@libres-chemins.org a écrit :
Pour les autres que faire ? 

que reste-t-il si on corrige les building et tree ? Les ways ?

J'ai fait mon colibri :

http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/45649310#map=19/43.31697/5.37177 <*>

http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/45649292#map=18/43.31710/5.37121

Je vois que j'ai 457 éditions en 7 ans et "MarcelineOSM" 1 753 en un an.

Je ne prétends pas être un gros contributeur, mais ça semble 
effectivement plus proche de sefaireconnaitre que d'une "vraie" 
contributrice (je n'ai rien contre le fait que des entreprise payent 
pour mettre à jour les données mais il faut une certaine neutralité, ici 
plein d'arbres, y compris avec variété 
 
fleurissent, oui dans le lien tu verras une "Rue Pavée" et la source 
http://www.cogedim-logement.com/sites/default/files/documents/139492/48241brochure1.pdf 
dit RUE PAVÉE ). Quant aux Maisons Blanches... Tiens les chemins 
piétonniers ce n'est pas mal non plus : 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7141864, ça me fait penser à ce 
que je disais sur la cartographie sans modèle.


Oui effectivement ça en fait du b...

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Re: [Talk-it] Un tag per le baite d'alpeggio

2017-05-04 12:54 GMT+02:00 mbranco :

> Cercando "shieling" in Wikipedia [2], mi sembra che potrebbe adattarsi alle
> nostre baite, e quindi mi verrebbe da proporre building=shieling.
>


-1, per me questo è roba scozzese, quindi limitato localmente a quella
regione. Userei "baita" oppure "it:baita" come valore. Volendo anche
building=hut, hut=baita, quindi con un sottotag.

Vedo adesso che hanno fatto così anche con i mokhoro:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/hut#values

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[talk-ph] Usability of translating Wikidata world places to Tagalog/Filipino

2017-05-04 Thread maning sambale

Hi,

I started this conversation in OSMPH slack but would like to open
discussion in this list.  Also apologies if this is not entirely
related to OSM but a very close project since as per Eugene's
assessment wikidata community is not very active in the Philippines.

Our team at Mapbox is pushing for completing Wikidata places
translation to several languages [0] including Filipino/Tagalog.  The
aim is to connect the two projects and leverage from the data that
both project have (location in OSM, translations in Wikidata). [1]

Eugene posted suggestions, here's our conv in Slack

maning [April 26th at 10:49 AM]
@here what's our best practice for name tagalog?  We use english names right?

seav [Apr 26]
We should use the Tagalog translation if it is available and well
attested. Examples: Maynila (Manila), Kabite (Cavite), Bulakan
(Bulacan), Hilagang Samar (Northern Samar), Alemanya (Germany),
Estados Unidos (United States), Hapon (Japan), Tsina (China).

My question is while this is desirable, is it essential for locals in
the Philippines or travelling abroad to use a navigation app with
translated places in Filipino/Tagalog.  In most cases Filipinos are
comfortable with using English names for places (e.g. "Germany"
instead of "Alemanya")

[0] 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Planemad_mapbox/World_places_translation_project
[1] https://www.mapbox.com/blog/scaling-openstreetmap-wikidata-knowledge/

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[Talk-it] Un tag per le baite d'alpeggio

2017-05-04 Thread mbranco

Finora ho usato il generico building=yes per le baite d'alpeggio (che a volte
sono isolate, a volte sono dei piccoli hamlet), ma mi piacerebbe
approfondire l'argomento.

Nelle discussioni passate, ho trovato solo questo vecchio thread [1] a
riguardo.

Da taginfo e histosm vedo che ci sono un paio di tag, tra l'altro usati solo
in Norvegia: historic=shieling e historic=summer_mountain_farm.
Suppongo che ci sia historic anzichè building perchè da quelle parti sono
tutte in disuso, ma da noi - perlomeno sulle Alpi - ce ne sono ancora
parecchie in funzione!

Cercando "shieling" in Wikipedia [2], mi sembra che potrebbe adattarsi alle
nostre baite, e quindi mi verrebbe da proporre building=shieling.

Naturalmente aspetto di sentire cosa ne pensa la Lista...

Ciao,
Marco

[1] http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Tag-edifici-td5354887.html
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shieling



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Re: [Talk-es] Traducción del wiki de OSM al español

2017-05-04 Thread dcapillae

En efecto, si lo deseas, el wiki te avisa automáticamente cada vez que se
producen cambios en cualquier página de tu lista de seguimiento. Para seguir
los cambios de una página simplemente tienes que clicar en el símbolo en
forma de estrella que aparece en la barra de pestañas (debes ingresar
previamente al wiki con tu nombre de usuario y contraseña). La estrella se
pondrá entonces de color azul celeste y se te notificará por correo
electrónico cada vez que alguien modifique esa página. Puedes vigilar tanto
las páginas en inglés como las páginas en español, así como páginas en
cualquier otro idioma. En todo momento puedes dejar de seguir los cambios
clicando de nuevo en el símbolo en forma de estrella, con lo que la página
será eliminada de tu lista de seguimiento.

Cuando ingresas en el wiki con tu nombre de usuario y contraseña, aparecerá
también la opción "Lista de seguimiento" en la parte superior de la
pantalla. Clicando en ella podrás editar tu lista de seguimiento para añadir
o eliminar páginas de tu lista. No hay excusa para no estar informado de los
cambios en las páginas que sean de tu interés.

La mayoría de cambios suelen ser modificaciones de carácter menor que no
afectan a lo esencial del contenido: correcciones de enlaces defectuosos,
correcciones ortográficas, adaptaciones a las convenciones wiki. A veces se
producen adiciones importantes que complementan a la información ya
existente, pero no suelen ser frecuentes los grandes cambios sustanciales
sobre la documentación previamente establecida. Pensad que si cada dos por
tres se estuviese cambiando la metodología y la documentación del proyecto
sería imposible mantenerlo en marcha. En lo esencial, la información
recogida en las páginas del wiki permanece constante largos períodos de
tiempo. Es importante traducirla y, en lo posible, mantenerla actualizada.

-
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Re: [Talk-it] Top 250 dell'Italia

2017-05-04 12:14 GMT+02:00 Max1234Ita :

> Wow, sono il n.6 in Italia! ^^



complimenti, allora sei in realtà il numero 1 o forse 2 (non so l'utente
"mcheck" senza "import" se ha fatto import, ma gli altri prima di te hanno
tutti import nel nome tranne Simone che ha fatto comunque degli import
(prima che le regole richiedessero un account dedicato)). Chiaramente
questa statistica vantaggia chi ha mappato dopo, perché non conta chi ha
creato un elemento ma chi è l'ultimo modificatore.

Ciao,
Martin
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Re: [Talk-es] Bibliobús

2017-05-04 Thread Carlos Cámara

Hola, yo me topé con la misma duda que tú hace un tiempo y tras leer estas
dos wikis
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dmobile_library
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref:isil

Opté por un etiquetado convencional de biblioteca con la salvedad de que
puse "amenity=mobile_library (ver:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4783469727) y puse su horario. Viendo tu
etiquetado quizá estaría bien añadir highway=bus_stop

Saludos,



Carlos Cámara
http://carloscamara.es

2017-05-04 12:12 GMT+02:00 Héctor Ochoa :

> Buenas, me ha entrado la duda de cómo mapear una parada de bibliobús:
> https://twitter.com/ZGZBibliotecas/status/860062726860795904
>
> Se trata de un servicio de biblioteca en barrios que no tienen población
> suficiente para justificar una y tienen la biblioteca más cercana a
> bastante distancia.
> Es un bus que tiene una biblioteca dentro y que se recorre dichos barrios
> con un horario fijo.
>
> Mapeé hace tiempo una de las paradas, pero no se si es la mejor forma de
> hacerlo.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3891577485
>
> Gracias por adelantado.
> Héctor Ochoa
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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Mappe non attribuite !!

2017-05-04 Thread Alessandro Palmas


  
  
Il 04/05/2017 12:13, Martin
  Koppenhoefer ha scritto:


  

  
  si, non solo, usano proprio i tileserver di osm. Hai scritto a
  loro?
  


Sì. AUTOCIT: ".. ho già provveduto ad inviare mail richiedendo che
appaia l'attribuzione sulla mappa."
  


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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting

2017-05-04 Thread Brian Prangle

Hi Jan

Just in case you're not aware from previous posts - we're meeting in
Rugeley Staffs. It's always good to see new faces. Text me on 07811 667653
if you want mapping assistance from 7pm

Regards

Brian

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Andy Robinson  wrote:

> For those who may be new and wishing to come along we typically meet up in
> the pub after doing some mapping in the vicinity. Thus usually meeting at
> 8pm (The Plaza on Horse Fair in this instance), but if there is anyone
> new wishing to get some mapping assistance its typical for someone to meet
> them by 7pm if we know who they are.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 03 May 2017 13:00
>
> *To:* Andy Robinson
> *Cc:* Brian Prangle; talk-gb-westmidlands
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting
>
>
>
> I'll concentrate on the town centre
>
>
>
> On 3 May 2017 at 09:28, Andy Robinson  wrote:
>
> Perfect Brian.
>
>
>
> See you tomorrow.
>
>
>
> Unless others have the desire I’ll probably plan on mapping some of the
> east side to the south and east of the power station. There is a bit of new
> housing also gone in around there.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org]
> *Sent:* 01 May 2017 16:17
> *To:* Andy Robinson
> *Cc:* Brian Prangle; talk-gb-westmidlands
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
> I've messaged everyone ( I think)  who's contributed to the map in Rugeley
> inviting them for Thursday's meeting. Let's see what happens
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Andy Robinson  wrote:
>
> How about Rugeley? Trains every 30min to an hour from New Street and fares
> have the benefit of the West Mids zoning I believe.
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/52.7572/-1.9397
>
>
>
> The Plaza on Horse Fair is the local Wetherspoon’s.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 24 April 2017 19:43
> *To:* talk-gb-westmidlands
> *Subject:* [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
> This is scheduled for Thursday 4th May and as yet we don't have a venue
> for our first 2017 map/meet. I htink we left this with Andy R to come up
> with a suitable area we could blitz in an evening
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
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Re: [Talk-it] Top 250 dell'Italia

2017-05-04 Thread Max1234Ita

Wow, sono il n.6 in Italia! ^^
...E non faccio nessun import: disegno tutto a mano!
(a questo proposito, credo di dovere molto al plugin FastDraw di Josm:
scontorni un bosco di medie dimensioni e "produci" 500 nodi come niente...)


Buona giornata a tutti,
Max





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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Mappe non attribuite !!

2017-05-04 12:06 GMT+02:00 Alessandro Palmas :

> Direi che si tratta di mappe OSM ma sulla mappa stessa esiste solo il link
> a leaflet e non ad OSM.



si, non solo, usano proprio i tileserver di osm. Hai scritto a loro?

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[Talk-es] Bibliobús

2017-05-04 Thread Héctor Ochoa

Buenas, me ha entrado la duda de cómo mapear una parada de bibliobús:
https://twitter.com/ZGZBibliotecas/status/860062726860795904

Se trata de un servicio de biblioteca en barrios que no tienen población 
suficiente para justificar una y tienen la biblioteca más cercana a bastante 
distancia.
Es un bus que tiene una biblioteca dentro y que se recorre dichos barrios con 
un horario fijo.

Mapeé hace tiempo una de las paradas, pero no se si es la mejor forma de 
hacerlo.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3891577485

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[Talk-it] Fwd: Mappe non attribuite !!

2017-05-04 Thread Alessandro Palmas


  
  
Buongiorno lista,
mi è stato da poco segnalato l'utilizzo di una mappa OSM non
attribuita:


  
" ..da qualche giorno e' stato messo on-line il nuovo sito
  di allerta meteo della Regione Emilia-Romagna che comprende la
  visualizzazione di mappe (https://allertameteo.regione.emilia-romagna.it/).
Direi che si tratta di mappe OSM ma sulla mappa stessa
  esiste solo il link a leaflet e non ad OSM.
  Non ho trovato altre pagine dove la mappa venga attribuita ad
  OSM"
  
  Ringraziando Paolo 'Geofrizz' per la segnalazione ho già
  provveduto ad inviare mail richiedendo che appaia
  l'attribuzione sulla mappa.
  
  Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT

  

  


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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting

2017-05-04 Thread Andy Robinson

For those who may be new and wishing to come along we typically meet up in the 
pub after doing some mapping in the vicinity. Thus usually meeting at 8pm (The 
Plaza on Horse Fair in this instance), but if there is anyone new wishing to 
get some mapping assistance its typical for someone to meet them by 7pm if we 
know who they are.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 03 May 2017 13:00
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: Brian Prangle; talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting

 

I'll concentrate on the town centre

 

On 3 May 2017 at 09:28, Andy Robinson  wrote:

Perfect Brian.

 

See you tomorrow.

 

Unless others have the desire I’ll probably plan on mapping some of the east 
side to the south and east of the power station. There is a bit of new housing 
also gone in around there.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org] 
Sent: 01 May 2017 16:17
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: Brian Prangle; talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting

 

Hi everyone

I've messaged everyone ( I think)  who's contributed to the map in Rugeley 
inviting them for Thursday's meeting. Let's see what happens

Regards

Brian

 

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Andy Robinson  wrote:

How about Rugeley? Trains every 30min to an hour from New Street and fares have 
the benefit of the West Mids zoning I believe.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/52.7572/-1.9397

 

The Plaza on Horse Fair is the local Wetherspoon’s.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

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Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting

 

Hi everyone

This is scheduled for Thursday 4th May and as yet we don't have a venue for our 
first 2017 map/meet. I htink we left this with Andy R to come up with a 
suitable area we could blitz in an evening

Regards

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Cartographie « à l'avance »

2017-05-04 Thread FR


Bonjour

Dans la région marseillaise il y a plusieurs contributions de ce type.
J'avais contactée l'auteure pour lui signaler qu'à mon humble avis OSM 
n'a pas vocation à décrire des objets qui n'ont pas encore d'existence 
sur le terrain. La seule chose que j'ai obtenu de sa part c'est la 
remise en place d'une voie dans son tracé actuel.


Quant à la source elle dit effectivement utiliser les permis de 
construire approuvés, est-compatible avec la licence ODBL ?


Deux exemples dans des secteurs où je suis passée récemment, mais il  y 
en a d'autres:

- https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/45273097
Terrain vague, pas le moindre début de construction
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/45649292#map=17/43.31710/5.37121
Ici le chantier est en cours mais loin de la livraison. Quant aux 
arbres... D'après l'historique le premier contributeur pour les 
"building" (alors que de mémoire, le chantier n'avait pas commencé) est 
le me que pour la contribution à l'origine de ce fil.


Bref il ne s'agit pas d'un cas isolé. Voir l'historique de l'un et 
l'autre des 2 auteurs (Marcel et Marcelline ;-) ). Aurions-nous affaire 
au "sefaireconnaitre" de projets immobiliers ?


Je n'avais pas trop osé jusqu'à présent intervenir. Mais 
"proposed:building=yes" comme le suggère stephane.peneau + suppression 
des arbres virtuels me semble une bonne solution. Au moins pour les 
chantiers que je connais.


Pour les autres que faire ?

FrançoiseR


Le 03/05/2017 à 10:24, 
osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit :

De plus si les arbres ont start_date=2016, c'est faux. Et PC voulant de
tout évidence dire comme tu dis PC, ça n'a aucune valeur. Là je serais
pour demander à MarcelHerault de les supprimer.

À noter que cet utilisateur utilise pourtant déjà des
landuse=construction (S.D. : le problème que tu as vu remonte à un an).

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/488185346

Comme il a l'air de suivre de (trop ?) près le cadastre, Stéphane D., tu
peux peut-être le contacter : mieux vaut qu'il contribue mieux
directement plutôt qu'il voie des modifs de ses contributions sans
savoir le pourquoi.

Jean-Yvon

Le 03/05/2017 à 09:48, Stéphane Péneau -
stephane.pen...@wanadoo.fr a écrit :

Je pense qu'il faut se servir des préfixes de cycle de vie, et remplacer
building:construction par
proposed:building=yes

idem pour les arbres :
proposed:natural=tree


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix




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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting

2017-05-04 Thread Jan Gondzio

Where and what time will this take place? I'd be interested in joining for
the first time!


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Cartographie « à l'avance »

2017-05-04 Thread FR


Bonjour

Dans la région marseillaise il y a plusieurs contributions de ce type.
J'avais contactée l'auteure pour lui signaler qu'à mon humble avis OSM 
n'a pas vocation à décrire des objets qui n'ont pas encore d'existence 
sur le terrain. La seule chose que j'ai obtenu de sa part c'est la 
remise en place d'une voie dans son tracé actuel.


Quant à la source elle dit effectivement utiliser les permis de 
construire approuvés, est-compatible avec la licence ODBL ?


Deux exemples dans des secteurs où je suis passée récemment, mais il  y 
en a d'autres:

- https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/45273097
Terrain vague, pas le moindre début de construction
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/45649292#map=17/43.31710/5.37121
Ici le chantier est en cours mais loin de la livraison. Quant aux 
arbres... D'après l'historique le premier contributeur pour les 
"building" (alors que de mémoire, le chantier n'avait pas commencé) est 
le me que pour la contribution à l'origine de ce fil.


Bref il ne s'agit pas d'un cas isolé. Voir l'historique de l'un et 
l'autre des 2 auteurs (Marcel et Marcelline ;-) ). Aurions-nous affaire 
au "sefaireconnaitre" de projets immobiliers ?


Je n'avais pas trop osé jusqu'à présent intervenir. Mais 
"proposed:building=yes" comme le suggère stephane.peneau + suppression 
des arbres virtuels me semble une bonne solution. Au moins pour les 
chantiers que je connais.


Pour les autres que faire ?

FrançoiseR


Le 03/05/2017 à 10:24, 
osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit :

De plus si les arbres ont start_date=2016, c'est faux. Et PC voulant de
tout évidence dire comme tu dis PC, ça n'a aucune valeur. Là je serais
pour demander à MarcelHerault de les supprimer.

À noter que cet utilisateur utilise pourtant déjà des
landuse=construction (S.D. : le problème que tu as vu remonte à un an).

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/488185346

Comme il a l'air de suivre de (trop ?) près le cadastre, Stéphane D., tu
peux peut-être le contacter : mieux vaut qu'il contribue mieux
directement plutôt qu'il voie des modifs de ses contributions sans
savoir le pourquoi.

Jean-Yvon

Le 03/05/2017 à 09:48, Stéphane Péneau -
stephane.pen...@wanadoo.fr a écrit :

Je pense qu'il faut se servir des préfixes de cycle de vie, et remplacer
building:construction par
proposed:building=yes

idem pour les arbres :
proposed:natural=tree


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix




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[Talk-cz] Nekonecna rekurze :-)

2017-05-04 Thread Tom Ka

Ahoj, par dni zpatky mi zacalo padat generovani mapy na
http://osm.fit.vutbr.cz/xhnili07/. Dneska jsem se dokopal zjistit
proc. Vinikem byla tato relace:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2241590

ktera ukazovala sama na sebe a vytvarela tak nekonecnou rekurzi.
Problem jsem opravil (spolu s opakujicimi se segmenty jedne z cest),
tak jen pokud mate nekdo potize, tak snad zitra pri novych datech
zmizi L:-)

(a blby nazev sady zmen je muj preklep, za tohle JOSM nemuze...)

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Re: [OSRM-talk] MLD, Arc-based queries / multiple routings?

2017-05-04 Thread Jens Thiele

Michael Krasnyk  writes:

> Hi Jens,

Hi,

> OSRM runs only one MLD search with one or two "phantom" arc nodes in the
> source heap and  one or two arc nodes in the reverse heap ("phantom" nodes
> are arcs with projected input locations and offsets for weights and
> durations).
> During the MLD search the query level of a node is computed as a minimum of
> all possible up to 4 combinations of source and target phantom nodes in
> getNodeQureyLevel function.
>
> Starting on a cut edge is not different from starting on cell internal
> edges because on the level 0 the overlay graph is not used.

I am not sure I fully understand the answer but I think I got the idea.
So basically this works as all related cells (up to 4 if from/to are on
cut arcs) are "pulled down" to level 0 and not just 2 cells as in the
paper?

Thanks!
Greetings,
Jens

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Re: [Talk-es] Traducción del wiki de OSM al español

2017-05-04 Thread Matías h

Yo creo que eso está solucionado no?.

Antes de guardar los cambios de una página te da la opción de confirmar una
casilla para "Vigilar esta página". Cualquier cambio que se haga en la
misma te manda una notificación al email del usuario con que hayas
realizado la edición.

El 4 de mayo de 2017, 7:26, Roberto geb  escribió:

> El problema de la obsolescencia de las traducciones se minoraría si se
> notificara al traductor o traductores de la existencia de cambios en una
> página.
> ¿Existe algo así con las wikis?
>
> El 3/5/2017 17:57, "dcapillae"  escribió:
>
>> Ayer se celebró una reunión virtual donde se habló, entre otras
>> cuestiones,
>> de los trabajos de traducción del wiki. Se cuestionó la idoneidad de
>> dedicar
>> tiempo a la traducción de páginas wikis cuya información puede quedar
>> obsoleta rápidamente. A este respecto, transcribo una reflexión personal
>> que
>> compartí con el grupo a través de Telegram:
>>
>> "Un comentario respecto a lo que se habló en la última reunión en relación
>> con los trabajos de traducción del wiki. En primer lugar, la información
>> no
>> se queda obsoleta tan rápidamente como se cree. No al menos en lo que se
>> refiere a lo esencial de la información. Si así fuese, sería imposible
>> mantener el proyecto en marcha. Si echáis un vistazo al historial de las
>> páginas comprobaréis que, en lo que se refiere a lo esencial, no cambian
>> en
>> mucho tiempo. Además, para que una traducción quede obsoleta primero tiene
>> que existir la traducción, y el problema del wiki en español es que faltan
>> traducciones, no que se queden obsoletas.
>>
>> Si consideramos que alguna página contiene información importante, se
>> puede
>> hacer un seguimiento de sus cambios añadiéndola a nuestra lista de
>> seguimiento y actualizándola cada vez que existan modificaciones
>> relevantes.
>> Yo lo hago, por ejemplo, con las páginas en español relativas a "Control
>> de
>> calidad", "Wiki Traducción", "Wiki Organización" y algunas otras. Me
>> gustaría hacer el seguimiento y actualización de muchas más páginas (las
>> relativas a JOSM, tutoriales de aprendizaje, aplicaciones disponibles,
>> etc.), pero soy consciente de mis limitaciones, por eso animo a todos a
>> colaborar en la traducción del wiki.
>>
>> Al igual que Wikipedia, el valor del wiki de OSM es que es un nodo
>> informativo principal para la comunidad. Ahí está todo, o debería:
>> cualquier
>> cosa que tenga relación con OSM debiera recogerse entre sus páginas.
>> Cualquier persona que quiera saber más sobre cualquier cuestión
>> relacionada
>> con OSM, antes o después termina por consultar el wiki. Entristece un poco
>> comprobar la diferencia de participación entre países hispanos y otros
>> como
>> Alemania, Inglaterra o Francia. Personalmente me tomo los trabajos de
>> traducción como una forma de promover el proyecto entre la comunidad
>> hispanohablante. Traducir y mantener la documentación del proyecto en
>> español tiene que ser una tarea prioritaria."
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Daniel Capilla
>> OSM user: dcapillae
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>> /Traduccion-del-wiki-de-OSM-al-espa-ol-tp5895584p5896204.html
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