Re: [OSM-talk] Highway and Ralyway - tram_stops and the like

2008-01-10 Thread David Earl
On 10/01/2008 19:00, Robin Paulson wrote: at this point, we will have a far better, more-rounded picture of what is happening with tags, how they could be improved, etc.: does namespacing need to be seriously considered? should we have such a shallow depth of tags, or a more nested approach?

Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk

2008-01-11 Thread David Earl
On 11/01/2008 00:55, Jon Burgess wrote: On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 00:09 +, martin dodge wrote: Hi, Just found an interesting set of slides of a talk by Vanessa Lawrence, OS http://www.w3.org/2007/06/eGov-dc/presentations/VL_why_place_matters.pdf with some prominent mentions for OSM. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk

2008-01-11 Thread David Earl
On 11/01/2008 11:48, Artem Pavlenko wrote: Incidentally, this is exacerbated by the lazy rendering rule for Mapnik What do you mean by 'lazy' rule? AFAIK, all available hardware is working hard day an night :) I mean the way in which a tile isn't rendered until (after) it is looked at

Re: [OSM-talk] Why place matters, slides from Vanessa Lawrence talk

2008-01-11 Thread David Earl
On 11/01/2008 12:49, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: (incidentally the name finder came in for some flak due to its data not matching the map content - we need to be careful there too). Indeed, it is embarrassingly out of date now, but I just don't have the necessary hardware to process the

Re: [OSM-talk] voting ended? - population

2008-01-16 Thread David Earl
Irrespective of this proposal, which I hadn't noticed, I've been using it for all places in my area for some time now - over 100 villages in South Cambridgeshire are tagged. I suspect I not the only one. I am tempted to say this is a de facto map feature and add it to the list anyway. I think

Re: [OSM-talk] voting ended? - population

2008-01-16 Thread David Earl
On 16/01/2008 11:19, Martin Trautmann wrote: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2008-01-16 10:47, David Earl wrote: Irrespective of this proposal, which I hadn't noticed, I've been using it for all places in my area for some time now I do not see any description about the syntax within

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-17 Thread David Earl
On 17/01/2008 20:51, Gregory wrote: All canals have towpaths No. Some canals are now disused so sections of the towpath are gone (now private land/buildings etc.), some canals aren't for navigation/boats (I know of one used to supply a fountain by Hampton Court Palace and the man-made

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-23 Thread David Earl
On 22/01/2008 22:53, 80n wrote: I don't think *renderers* really need to know much about speed limits. If a road is tagged with 73000furlongsperfortnight then a renderer might show that on a map, but it's probably not going to try to convert it to any other units - why would it need to? I

[OSM-talk] Newmarket

2008-01-23 Thread David Earl
I've started doing detailed mapping of Newmarket, Suffolk (nothing uploaded yet to see). As some of you may know, Newmarket is a centre of horse racing, and has some features which , though probably not unique, are unusual. One of these is that a number of roads have 'gallops' alongside them.

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-24 Thread David Earl
On 24/01/2008 10:34, Gervase Markham wrote: Sven Grüner wrote: I don't know of any country using the metric system that is familiar with the term kph. The unit symbol is km/h and so everbody uses *kmh*. Google understands kph:

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Osmarender requested enhancements

2008-01-25 Thread David Earl
On 25/01/2008 02:04, Adrian Frith wrote: On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 13:16 +1300, Robin Paulson wrote: On 25/01/2008, Robert Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/01/2008, Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [As always, please redirect me if necessary.] Could osmarender please be taught to

Re: [OSM-talk] golf courses?

2008-01-25 Thread David Earl
On 25/01/2008 11:10, Kaj-Michael Lang wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Alex Mauer wrote: The map features page lists both leisure=golf_course and sport=golf. Can we please pick one of these and remove the other? But isn't leisure=golf_course for the whole area and sport=golf for the club

Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses

2008-01-30 Thread David Earl
On 30/01/2008 08:56, Tom Hughes wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asking them to install and configure their own copy of Mapnik seems somewhat unreasonable... You could try osmps, and then convert the PostScript

Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses

2008-01-30 Thread David Earl
On 30/01/2008 11:47, Artem Pavlenko wrote: On 30 Jan 2008, at 10:25, bvh wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 08:56:13AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: So it is reasonable or optimal for us to maintain an infinite number of custom maps for third parties that want custom maps but don't want the hassle

Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses

2008-01-30 Thread David Earl
On 30/01/2008 11:07, Tom Hughes wrote: Remember that the primary focus of this project, as I understand it at any rate, is to produce data for other people to use. Making our own maps from our data is more of a convenience for us and a way to promote the project than our primary product.

Re: [OSM-talk] Error while uploading with JOSM

2008-01-30 Thread David Earl
On 30/01/2008 00:42, Rob Reid wrote: Cristiano Giovando wrote the following on 30/01/2008 12:51: During the upload of a large osm file with JOSM, about 12k nodes and 500 ways, getting the following error message: Error while parsing: An error occurred: Connection timed out: connect. Any

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM08 - Ireland

2008-02-01 Thread David Earl
On 01/02/2008 15:18, Gervase Markham wrote: David Earl wrote: As a more environmentally friendly form of transport, a combined rail/ferry ticket from stations in the UK is good value (the total from London to Dublin via Holyhead and Dun Loghaire for me last year was only 27 pounds), and Irish

Re: [OSM-talk] correctly mapping avenues

2008-02-08 Thread David Earl
On 08/02/2008 16:43, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: -- -- -- -- -- highway = service Tree Tree Tree Tree amenity = park err... leisure=park ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] correctly mapping avenues

2008-02-08 Thread David Earl
On 08/02/2008 16:12, bvh wrote: On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 04:52:55PM +, David Earl wrote: On 08/02/2008 16:43, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: -- -- -- -- -- highway = service Tree Tree Tree Tree amenity = park err... leisure=park err... is a line of trees a park? A bigger question. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Large Rivers in general, mapnik rendering in Particular

2008-02-08 Thread David Earl
You could do it as a relation. The river bank would be a set of ways (each of which shares its end nodes with the ends of one of the others), and you could have a role for the one or two ways which close the loop which says this is structural, not really part of the river bank. The renderer

[OSM-talk] Announcing a controllable Audio player and synchronisation with continuous sound tracks in JOSM

2008-02-19 Thread David Earl
Today's JOSM build (549) contains some much improved audio handling. In particular, you can now use your dictaphone to record one long continuous audio file while you're surveying, collect waypoints on your GPS, and then in JOSM synchronise the audio with the waypoints and play each from

[OSM-talk] Continuous audio in JOSM on tracks without waypoints

2008-02-20 Thread David Earl
To augment continuous audio synchronized with waypoints that I mailed about earlier this week, I have now also added the facility to work with continuous audio recordings on tracks where you don't have or don't want to use explicit GPS waypoints. This will be in tomorrow's JOSM build. After

Re: [OSM-talk] Continuous audio in JOSM on tracks without waypoints

2008-02-21 Thread David Earl
On 21/02/2008 09:26, John McKerrell wrote: Yes, this sounds great. I don't tend to log explicit waypoints so this is going to be much more useful for me. Did you think about having a little arrow or some sort of marker that followed the trace as you played the audio or is there some

Re: [OSM-talk] Continuous audio in JOSM on tracks without waypoints

2008-02-21 Thread David Earl
On 21/02/2008 09:26, John McKerrell wrote: Yes, this sounds great. I don't tend to log explicit waypoints so this is going to be much more useful for me. Did you think about having a little arrow or some sort of marker that followed the trace as you played the audio or is there some

Re: [OSM-talk] Continuous audio in JOSM on tracks without waypoints

2008-02-21 Thread David Earl
On 21/02/2008 20:59, John McKerrell wrote: On 21 Feb 2008, at 19:04, David Earl wrote: On 21/02/2008 09:26, John McKerrell wrote: Yes, this sounds great. I don't tend to log explicit waypoints so this is going to be much more useful for me. Did you think about having a little arrow

Re: [OSM-talk] Continuous audio in JOSM on tracks without waypoints

2008-02-21 Thread David Earl
On 21/02/2008 23:56, David Earl wrote: One thing I realised just cycling along this evening, having stepped back from the project for a while, is that when you don't have a waypoint at the start it is hard to synchronise on a marker, because it they are sampled, not related to any specific

Re: [OSM-talk] Continuous audio in JOSM on tracks without waypoints

2008-02-22 Thread David Earl
On 21/02/2008 23:56, David Earl wrote: One thing I realised just cycling along this evening, having stepped back from the project for a while, is that when you don't have a waypoint at the start it is hard to synchronise on a marker, because it they are sampled, not related to any specific

[OSM-talk] Parking symbols: YUCK!

2008-02-23 Thread David Earl
I see that someone has gone ahead and put automatic parking symbols at the middle of amenity=parking areas in osmarender. This means nearly all parking is getting two symbols now and it looks AWFUL. (The good news, though is that the symbol is nearly always close to where I chose to put a node

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking symbols: YUCK!

2008-02-23 Thread David Earl
On 23/02/2008 21:29, Andy Robinson wrote: If I create a parking area I really don't want to have to place a node as well so it would be better if the renderer's were clever and ignored any node thats within the area where it has the same tags (eg parking / name). Nor do I, but that wasn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking symbols: YUCK!

2008-02-23 Thread David Earl
On 23/02/2008 22:04, Sven Grüner wrote: David Earl schrieb: On 23/02/2008 21:29, Andy Robinson wrote: If I create a parking area I really don't want to have to place a node as well so it would be better if the renderer's were clever and ignored any node thats within the area where it has

Re: [OSM-talk] Continuous audio in JOSM on tracks without waypoints

2008-02-23 Thread David Earl
Having done a two-hour long audio recording today, I find that waypoints near the end have drifted a bit. It was about 8 seconds out after about 100 minutes. I did find one problem whereby the audio player wasn't jumping ahead as far as I thought it was when you pressed the marker, which I

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking symbols: YUCK!

2008-02-24 Thread David Earl
On 24/02/2008 10:53, J.D. Schmidt wrote: So IMHO it's up to the rendering engines to render the data smartly. It's not the rendering engines that decide what should be put into the DB. I'm on both sides here: I agree that it would be better not to have both a node and an area; OTOH, there's

[OSM-talk] Camera and Dictaphone clocks

2008-02-24 Thread David Earl
I mentioned in the thread about continuous audio mapping yesterday that the audio was appearing to drift away from the corresponding waymarks after a while. I have now determined that this is due to the inaccuracy of the clock in my dictaphone. I have implemented a solution for audio in JOSM -

[OSM-talk] New in JOSM: Paste Tags

2008-02-24 Thread David Earl
I have added a new operation on the JOSM Edit menu: Paste Tags (CTRL+SHIFT+V). This will be in tomorrow's build. This applies to the current selection the tags of the items previously copied to the paste buffer with Edit Copy. Only tags for items of like types are assigned, so selected nodes

Re: [OSM-talk] Continuous audio in JOSM on tracks without waypoints

2008-02-25 Thread David Earl
On 25/02/2008 00:46, 80n wrote: 2) While audio is playing, when I clicked on an audio marker it caused JOSM to hang. OK. I'll see if I can reproduce it. Can you be more specific? It happened several times when I first started using it, but now that I've figured out

Re: [OSM-talk] Continuous audio in JOSM on tracks without waypoints

2008-02-25 Thread David Earl
On 25/02/2008 01:23, J.D. Schmidt wrote: Could this work with video media files ? I've invested in an Oregon Scientific ACT2000 solid state helmet cam ( http://tinyurl.com/22zaep ) for use when driving my cityscooter. It has audio input too, but the audio tends to be drowned out by the motor

Re: [OSM-talk] Continuous audio in JOSM on tracks without waypoints

2008-02-25 Thread David Earl
On 25/02/2008 01:09, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, OK, can be arranged I'm sure. How about '[' and ']' with '{' and '}' for next and last marker? On a German keyboard these are on AltGr-7 to AltGr-0 which would make them less than ideal. Hmm. OK, I see we are hardly using the function keys,

Re: [OSM-talk] Continuous audio in JOSM on tracks without waypoints

2008-02-25 Thread David Earl
I've fixed the following that 80n reported (will be in tomorrow's JOSM build): 1. Hang on trying to play audio It was indeed playing at a marker off the end of the sound track that was the cause. It now tells you this instead of hanging. 2. Open WAV file dialogs don't remember their directory

Re: [OSM-talk] Continuous audio in JOSM on tracks without waypoints

2008-02-25 Thread David Earl
And one more innovation that 80n asked for... fast (and also slow) forward. The fast forward menu entry (button, F9) speeds up playback by 1.3 times, and if you press it again by a further 1.3 times and so on (up to a very fast playback determined by the capability of the audio system and the

Re: [OSM-talk] New in JOSM: Paste Tags

2008-02-26 Thread David Earl
On 26/02/2008 14:02, David Earl wrote: On 26/02/2008 09:43, Martijn Verwijmeren wrote: On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:41:20 + David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have added a new operation on the JOSM Edit menu: Paste Tags (CTRL+SHIFT+V). This will be in tomorrow's build. I had some trouble

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking symbols: YUCK!

2008-02-26 Thread David Earl
On 26/02/2008 15:43, David Earl wrote: On 26/02/2008 14:45, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: Lester Caine wrote: | ANY POI that is changed from node to area will potentially have the same | problem, and we should be fixing the general rule not starting to build | another set of pages for voting

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking symbols: YUCK!

2008-02-26 Thread David Earl
On 26/02/2008 14:45, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: Lester Caine wrote: | ANY POI that is changed from node to area will potentially have the same | problem, and we should be fixing the general rule not starting to build | another set of pages for voting on every POI node/area conflict debate? I

[OSM-talk] Namefinder turned off for now

2008-02-26 Thread David Earl
I'm afraid I've had to turn off the name finder service for the time being as my provider is complaining about the load it is imposing on my shared host. I really must get back to revamping this to cope with the massively increased database size, both for index creation and searching. I'll

Re: [OSM-talk] How to correct logical errors in some effective way?

2008-03-01 Thread David Earl
On 01/03/2008 12:12, Rahkonen Jukka wrote: There are lots of pure typos which could be most effectively corrected directly in the database without using JOSM or something in between. Is there somebody whom I could send a list of the items that need update? I can get osm_id of those

[OSM-talk] More JOSM audio

2008-03-02 Thread David Earl
Following helpful comments from Chris Morley and others, I've done some more work on the JOSM audio interface, which makes the non-waypoint method with continuous sound tracks easier to use. These should be in tomorrow's build. It's all written down in the JOSM help, at

Re: [OSM-talk] More JOSM audio

2008-03-02 Thread David Earl
On 02/03/2008 18:39, John McKerrell wrote: A slight problem with my own setup is that I use my mobile phone as GPS and for recording audio. Because I can't see the GPS screen when recording audio (and I can't switch screens while recording audio) I basically don't have a way to say the

Re: [OSM-talk] Contacting new users

2008-03-13 Thread David Earl
On 13/03/2008 11:09, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: Edorado, I am of the same view. We have fast approaching 30,000 registered users and only a small number of those regularly contribute to the project. Encouraging and helping more to do so should be an aim of the project. However it is

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-25 Thread David Earl
On 25/03/2008 17:16, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: Vector editing software such as CAD packages are normally scale free at the editing level. The co-ordinates are simply sufficient, especially if you have the ability to draw a vector a specific distance from a point as a polar ray or

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-25 Thread David Earl
On 25/03/2008 19:16, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: quote who=David Earl In Mercator distance is constant independent of orientation, isn't it? Wrong. Quoting Wikipedia: While the direction and shapes are accurate on a Mercator projection, it distorts the size. In other words, the Mercator

[OSM-talk] Name finder and home page search working again

2008-03-25 Thread David Earl
I'm pleased to say that after a major overhaul of the name finder to make it possible to update incrementally, and also a move to a different server (many thanks to Tom for helping set this up), the Name Finder and home page search box are now working again with a bang up to date index. The Name

Re: [OSM-talk] Name finder and home page search working again

2008-03-25 Thread David Earl
On 25/03/2008 20:53, Thomas Wood wrote: The namefinder still seems to fail with: St Paul's Cathedral (apostrophe as copied pasted from the British Museum blog post) Odd - it worked yesterday when I tried it. I'll investigate. I can't get through at all at the moment - presumably everyone is

Re: [OSM-talk] Name finder and home page search working again

2008-03-25 Thread David Earl
On 25/03/2008 21:00, David Earl wrote: On 25/03/2008 20:53, Thomas Wood wrote: The namefinder still seems to fail with: St Paul's Cathedral (apostrophe as copied pasted from the British Museum blog post) Odd - it worked yesterday when I tried it. I'll investigate. I can't get through

Re: [OSM-talk] Name finder and home page search working again

2008-03-26 Thread David Earl
On 25/03/2008 21:18, David Earl wrote: On 25/03/2008 21:00, David Earl wrote: On 25/03/2008 20:53, Thomas Wood wrote: The namefinder still seems to fail with: St Paul's Cathedral (apostrophe as copied pasted from the British Museum blog post) Oh perversity! They've put a rsquo on their web

Re: [OSM-talk] Name finder and home page search working again

2008-03-26 Thread David Earl
On 26/03/2008 01:43, Sven Grüner wrote: Colin Marquardt schrieb: Since we have people's attention: please everybody extend http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Name_finder:Abbreviations That brought up another question to my mind, which isn't related to the name finder in particular: Is

Re: [OSM-talk] Name finder and home page search working again

2008-03-26 Thread David Earl
On 26/03/2008 15:33, David Earl wrote: In your case, Zürichstrasse is apparently closer to Wallisellen than Dübendorf, so I'm afraid that's the point of reference you get in the expanded context. Name finder is based entirely on proximity; I'd need a reliable set of boundary information

Re: [OSM-talk] Name finder and home page search working again

2008-03-26 Thread David Earl
On 26/03/2008 19:31, OJ W wrote: Is it doing anything with the multilingual names in OSM (name:de=... and similar)? Yes, that should have been on my list in the previous message. This always was included. e.g. try searching for Cologne and Köln (or Koln) David

Re: [OSM-talk] Name finder and home page search working again

2008-03-27 Thread David Earl
On 27/03/2008 09:07, Stefan Baebler wrote: On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:55 AM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26/03/2008 19:31, OJ W wrote: Is it doing anything with the multilingual names in OSM (name:de=... and similar)? Yes, that should have been on my list in the previous

Re: [OSM-talk] Name finder and home page search working again

2008-03-27 Thread David Earl
On 27/03/2008 10:56, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: I wonder whether some context can be drawn in from whether there is a administrative city boundary or residential landuse area surrounding a street. But this would of course increase the parsing complexity a lot, I guess. It's a whole different

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM real paper map of Freiburg, Germany

2008-03-27 Thread David Earl
On 27/03/2008 11:47, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Jochen and I have produced a real paper map of the city of Freiburg for the FOSSGIS 2008 conference. The map is an A3, two sided, full colour print, folded just like city maps are usually folded; we have printed 1,000 copies for a

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM update

2008-03-28 Thread David Earl
On 28/03/2008 17:02, Tom Hughes wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28/03/2008 16:50, Raphael Mack wrote: Am Freitag, 28. März 2008 schrieb Steve Hill: On Fri, 28 Mar 2008, Steve Hill wrote: Are you saying every single arrow points the wrong

Re: [OSM-talk] pubs.iamnear.net launched

2008-04-02 Thread David Earl
Namefinder already does this: http://gazetteer.openstreetmap.org/namefinder?find=pubs+near+52.21038,0.14544 http://gazetteer.openstreetmap.org/namefinder?find=schools+near+53.32334,-1.91415 as well as e.g. http://gazetteer.openstreetmap.org/namefinder?find=schools+near+Chapel-en-le-Frith

Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant

2008-04-06 Thread David Earl
On 06/04/2008 20:19, Karl Newman wrote: In the UK, road numbers are unique (apart from about three cases where local councils have cocked up, e.g. the B4027) and no road can have more than one ref. Not true - the A11 and A14 share about 10 miles of dual carriageway around the

Re: [OSM-talk] Audio sync with JOSM

2008-04-07 Thread David Earl
David, Have you read the Help at http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/HowTo/AudioMapping ? The syncing isn't automatic - you have to indicate one point where in your audio corresponds to where in your gps track. The clocks on the two systems will rarely be precisely in sync - and in any

Re: [OSM-talk] Audio sync with JOSM

2008-04-07 Thread David Earl
Daviud, Have you read the Help at http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/HowTo/AudioMapping ? The syncing isn't automatic - you have to indicate one point where in your audio corresponds to where in your gps track. The clocks on the two systems will rarely be precisely in sync - and in any

Re: [OSM-talk] Audio sync with JOSM

2008-04-07 Thread David Earl
On 07/04/2008 15:22, David Earl wrote: If so, given that many GPS enabled smartphones etc. have recording capabilities, and therefore share the same clock, would it be possible to make this a feature request? I didn't reply to this bit, sorry. Yes, this would be possible. I think you'll

Re: [OSM-talk] Audio sync with JOSM

2008-04-07 Thread David Earl
On 07/04/2008 15:49, David Janda wrote: Ah, now I see. I do think that sync via creation date would be a good idea, and in my case where I make multiple recordings it would be marvellous. If you're making multiple recordings you might want to look at option 3 on the help page in more

Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant

2008-04-08 Thread David Earl
On 08/04/2008 19:02, Lester Caine wrote: You don't think that searching for M11 should produce one result for a road that covers the whole country, and searching for high street should produce hundreds of separate results? This is EXACTLY the problem I'm trying to highlight! The CURRENT

[OSM-talk] Locating users

2008-04-11 Thread David Earl
Is there a way to find out more than the nearest ten mappers to me? I suppose I could change my home location systematically, but it's a bit tedious. I ask because I was thinking about a Cambridge meet up now there's quite a large number of people in the area, and I know that (a) not everyone

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway tagging in the USA

2008-04-21 Thread David Earl
On 21/04/2008 19:46, Peter Miller wrote: Also… please could someone to a ‘trial render’ of the area using one or more potential ‘USA friendly’ colour schemes so we can see what it would look like. Personally I would be interested in something along these lines: Orange and wide:

Re: [OSM-talk] GPS recommendations

2008-04-24 Thread David Earl
On 24/04/2008 19:57, Laurence Penney wrote: I quite liked my Nokia N70 + BlueGPS (Sirf3, non-logging) + nmea_info.py combo. So much so that I bought another BlueGPS when I left my first one on a train in a good position near the window. I can't find its replacement now, so wonder if I

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap State Of The Map 2008 conference early-bird registration

2008-04-26 Thread David Earl
On 26/04/2008 17:03, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, There's just over a week to go for early bird registration for OpenStreetMap's second international conference in Limerick, Ireland on the weekend of 12-13 July 2008. It is a great opportunity to meet your fellow mappers from all over the

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread David Earl
On 27/04/2008 17:25, Andy Allan wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:36 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to roll back changes made by user Katie after 17:40 on April 16? I don't believe that there are any tools available for rollback and the like beyond those

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread David Earl
On 26/04/2008 23:36, David Earl wrote: This user has removed or overlaid quite a few roads around Trumpington, Cambridge, and replaced several streets with cycleways, run a tertiary road along the river and across a farm track, and generally made a complete mess of my careful mapping

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread David Earl
On 27/04/2008 17:49, Skywave wrote: You can convert that file. Just search for 04to05.pl in SVN/TRAC Thanks! That almost worked - the conversion left some empty strings in the XML which JOSM didn't like, but removing those redundant lines got me the data I needed.# With copy and paste

Re: [OSM-talk] Searching and alt_name

2008-05-01 Thread David Earl
On 01/05/2008 13:11, Dan Karran wrote: On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:44 AM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's usually POIs affected, and it is usually just variations in names rather than completely different names (when you would probably want them rendered anyway). Occasionally though

Re: [OSM-talk] golf course marking

2008-05-08 Thread David Earl
On 08/05/2008 11:43, Erik Johansson wrote: On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 11:32 PM, Shaun McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't think that brownfield and greenfield are good tags then don't use them. Brownfield is a field that is brown, that means brown grass. So large areas of grass

Re: [OSM-talk] golf course marking

2008-05-08 Thread David Earl
On 08/05/2008 12:52, Erik Johansson wrote: Try not to fall in the trap of being Commonwealth centric. Tags, words, language are only what people think they are, the definition is only secondary. You wont start thinking northen cyprus is Turkish just because all street names have been such in

Re: [OSM-talk] street directory from OSM data

2008-05-08 Thread David Earl
On 08/05/2008 20:47, Stefan Zeller wrote: Hello, I'm quite curious if there is already a possibility to generate a street directory for a part of the OSM data in order to have a useful street map of a city. Is it? I've looked a bit but I didn't find something. If there is no such a

Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-12 Thread David Earl
On 12/05/2008 09:38, Steve Hill wrote: On Sun, 11 May 2008, Jeffrey Martin wrote: Did we ever decide what to do when a road continues but we didn't continue down the road? I tend to do fixme=Road continues or fixme=Footway continues. I put name=whatever (tbc) so it is clear to someone

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread David Earl
On 12/05/2008 11:59, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Posted to talk and dev This post really follows on from my consideration of Completeness metrics. A number of experienced OSMers who have mapped out there areas have either contacted me directly or posted through the lists about

Re: [OSM-talk] Limitations of renderers

2008-05-12 Thread David Earl
On 12/05/2008 16:30, Steve Chilton wrote: I have been following with interest the thread on tagging and rendering, and would like to make a slight jump to comment on the inherent limitations for rendering the results. You're quite right of course, but equally there are other reasons to

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread David Earl
On 12/05/2008 18:06, Inge Wallin wrote: On Monday 12 May 2008 18:06:59 Chris Morley wrote: Starting with a single level of completeness makes sense, but I think it should be public roads, named where feasible. I have a different view. I think we should have a leveled scheme from the

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread David Earl
On 12/05/2008 20:02, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: David Earl wrote: Sent: 12 May 2008 7:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools On 12/05/2008 18:06, Inge Wallin wrote

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread David Earl
On 12/05/2008 22:51, Andy Allan wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:16 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is terribly hard to know whether you have all the footpaths, and I think we'd hardly ever mark anywhere complete if we did that. I think it's terribly hard to know when

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-13 Thread David Earl
On 13/05/2008 15:35, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: Once we have a few applications in place that get viewed by *many* people, we could just have a button somewhere along the margin of the page that says: I know the area and what I see here looks correct. Given that this will

[OSM-talk] Rendering boundary names?

2008-05-29 Thread David Earl
Is it possible for Mapnik and/or Osmarender ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to render the names of adjacent areas alongside boundaries? e.g. for boundary=administrative left:county=Cambridgeshire right:county=Suffolk instead of just a line, we'd see (at intervals)

[OSM-talk] Rendering collisions in Mapnik

2008-05-29 Thread David Earl
I understand Mapnik has some caption collision avoidance built in, yes? Can someone explain what the rules are? I ask because of this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.1988lon=0.4122zoom=14layers=B00FF You can see there's a series of small villages, Saxon Street, Little Ditton, Woodditton,

[OSM-talk] Mapnik street name positioning

2008-05-29 Thread David Earl
One more thing about Mapnik rendering, then I'll stop! Quite often streets change their names along their length. But the caption placement seems to put the names in the middle of a way. I wonder if it would be useful instead to put the name at either end of the way (unless it won't fit, in

Re: [OSM-talk] april fools joke, copyright eastereggs

2008-05-31 Thread David Earl
The Automobile Association in the UK had to pay out 20 million pounds when it was caught copying Ordnance Survey material. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/mar/06/andrewclark 'She [OS spokesperson] stressed that Ordnance Survey's fingerprints did not extend to putting misleading features in

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM cut and paste between layers results in position change

2008-06-11 Thread David Earl
On 11/06/2008 04:32, Adam Schreiber wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Simon Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q). Is there some what to duplicate a way/node on another layer without this displacement? I've run into this bug during the US state borders import. My solution was to select

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM cut and paste between layers results in position change

2008-06-11 Thread David Earl
On 11/06/2008, Shaun McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11 Jun 2008, at 08:06, David Earl wrote: On 11/06/2008 04:32, Adam Schreiber wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Simon Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q). Is there some what to duplicate a way/node on another layer

[OSM-talk] Landsat WMS in JOSM

2008-06-23 Thread David Earl
I've not been able to get Landsat backgrounds in JOSM in the last few days. Going to http://onearth.jpl.nasa.gov/ which is the site in the preferences dialog, I see it says prominently: Due to server overloading, client applications are strongly advised to use the existing tile datasets

Re: [OSM-talk] Create extra Planet files for syncing

2008-06-23 Thread David Earl
On 23/06/2008 12:00, Brett Henderson wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: Sure, I can do that. I was assuming they would somehow be incomplete as well but if they are ok then I can just switch to using these. The hourly minute are definitely more reliable than daily. I won't be surprised to see

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Business cards [was: Sustrans]

2008-06-24 Thread David Earl
There's been a discussion about business cards on talk-gb. I will volunteer to compile a mail merge of people's details who want cards and get sets of personalized business cards professionally printed and cut. Just to get an indication of how many people might be interested, if you think

Re: [OSM-talk] Business cards

2008-06-26 Thread David Earl
On 24/06/2008 17:03, David Earl wrote: There's been a discussion about business cards on talk-gb. I will volunteer to compile a mail merge of people's details who want cards and get sets of personalized business cards professionally printed and cut. Just to get an indication of how many

Re: [OSM-talk] UK post box data

2008-07-05 Thread David Earl
On 05/07/2008 14:36, Tom Taylor wrote: Hello all, I recently made a Freedom of Information Act request for the location of every UK post box. Royal Mail responded with a 1600 page PDF containing their info. http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/location_of_every_post_box_that I did

Re: [OSM-talk] UK post box data

2008-07-07 Thread David Earl
On 06/07/2008 23:58, Dermot McNally wrote: 2008/7/5 Mike Collinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Interesting. I note that in both the PDF document and the cover letter that the Royal Mail have made no attempt to assert any copyright or ownership but doubt whether that is enough. They do, though,

Re: [OSM-talk] Misclassified roads

2008-07-09 Thread David Earl
On 09/07/2008 16:03, Steve Hill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Chris Hill wrote: I would be strongly against a global change of highway=unclassified - all of the roads I have tagged as unclassified deserve to be so. I have been working partly on a very rural area, where many of the roads are

Re: [OSM-talk] Misclassified roads

2008-07-11 Thread David Earl
On 11/07/2008 09:43, Steve Hill wrote: The definition of living_street is a bit vague in the wiki. A relevant bit seems to be: Simply tagging them with something like highway=residential, max_speed=7, motorcar=yes, motorcycle=yes, bicycle=yes Which implies to me that the living_street

Re: [OSM-talk] Misclassified roads

2008-07-11 Thread David Earl
On 11/07/2008 09:43, Steve Hill wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: I don't want to be annoying, but what about the ordinary roads, which don't fit in the above classification. With houses on both side but limited to 50km/h for example. Well, this is why I don't like

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