Re: [OSM-talk] discussion: inclusion and alcohol

2014-11-03 Thread Roland Olbricht
I read this article recently and It got me thinking. Do we devalue community members, or potential community members who don't drink? Thank you for the whole story. When I've read the subject line, it rather sounded like a joke. I've hardly seen the problem ever in the German software

Re: [OSM-talk] overpass-api.de: Emergency rollback

2014-11-04 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear all, the Overpass API instance on overpass-api.de will receive in a few hours a data rollback to 22nd Oct 2014. This means a shutdown for two to three hours. Then it will catch up from 22nd October to recent data. The server is back to normal operations. Thank you for your patience.

[OSM-talk] HTTPS on overpass-api.de

2015-03-26 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear fellow mappers, a thank you for all that have notified me that the certificate has expired. I will cater for renewing in the next days. A responsible handling of technology should also include a security assessment. I think most users will expect that a SSL certificate will somehow be

Re: [OSM-talk] Query Overpass for multiple small areas

2015-03-27 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi all, Was unsure what the best practices for querying overpass were, and was wondering if someone could point me in a good direction. I'm trying to query Overpass for a small amount of data over many small, sparsely populated areas. Was wondering if it made more sense to run separate

Re: [OSM-talk] Query Overpass for multiple small areas

2015-03-27 Thread Roland Olbricht
Yeah, that all makes sense. I had spent a lot of time trying to limit the area I was searching against, and the result was a /429 Too Many Requests/ error. Thank you for the feedback. Just for clarification: You should get HTTP 429 only if you submit more than one request in parallel. This

[OSM-talk] Sidewalks

2015-04-25 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear all, our current pedestrian routers often don't give street names, but instead only instructions like look for the line on the map. To improve that I would like to encourage mappers to give separately mapped footways their proper name instead of leaving them without name. The suggestion

[OSM-talk] Overpass Quotas

2015-04-27 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear all, in the last weeks the server overpass-api.de has seen a flood of extra requests. Unfortunately, most of these requests have been from a few clumsy clients. The standard pattern has been apparently a server that fires as much requests as possible, often some or most of them

Re: [OSM-talk] Overpass Quotas

2015-05-05 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear all, the last mail needs some more clarification. While I appreaciate that quite a lot of people care for not overusing the server, they are not the ones I have meant with clumsy clients. I fear it is quite a common problem and probably has a name: those who care about usage policies

[OSM-talk] Keulen (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, first of all, I appreciate the ongoing work of the DWG in general and Fredrik in particular to detect, discuss, and handle mass edits resembling mechanical edits. I will get to them in a separate thread. What I would not support in OSM, and like to outsource to Wikidata or other, is if

[OSM-talk] Mechanical name edit? (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, Not only well-known tourist magnets carry foreign names; some dedicated language mappers have gone over and beyond the call of duty and added, for example, name:ru tags even to small villages: [..] (This is a matter currently under investigation by Data Working Group and it is relatively

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanical name edit? (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, On 05/30/2015 09:48 AM, Roland Olbricht wrote: Thank you for informing the community. Do you actually have substantial evidence of a mechanical edit or something similar? There are a couple individual complaints and license issues (people taking names from a collection of military maps

Re: [OSM-talk] Preserving History ...

2015-09-03 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi Lester, > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.3790/-1.4692 is a perfect example, where a small roundabout has evolved into a much larger one, but the new through route is still being excavated. The problem with this is while it is a good approximation of how work is progressing, many of

Re: [Talk-at] Mentz Aktivitaeten in AT

2016-01-19 Thread Roland Olbricht
eich mit Geldautomaten und anderen Öfffnungszeiten bestehen. Wenn jemand Schwierigkeiten beim Deduplizieren von POIs hast, kann ich gerne konkrete Fragen beantworten. Viele Grüße, Roland -- Dr. Roland Olbricht mdv - Mentz Datenverarbeitung GmbH Am Mittelhafen 10 48155 Münster e-Mail: olbr

Re: [OSM-talk] What is 'Attic Data'? or 'Why can't wiki writers use plain language'.

2016-02-04 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi all, Why is it headed as 'Attic Data'? Why is there no explanation of it's meaning? After too much time using google I find it means old information. Why not say that? Wouldn't 'historical snapshot' be a bit clearer? It is on purpose not named 'historical'. It would have become a homonym,

Re: [OSM-talk] Applicability of wiki tagging and votes: may, should or must

2016-01-30 Thread Roland Olbricht
> "but that's not much to do with tagging diversity" - I would > dispute it, from my personal experience. Tagging diversity IS one > of real problems in using OSM data. Could you please give an example? My first ever attempt to display cycleways [...] Thank you very much. Now I

Re: [OSM-talk] Applicability of wiki tagging and votes: may, should or must

2016-01-29 Thread Roland Olbricht
>> This diversity of tagging is often quoted as a problem for data >> consumers. Oddly, this is often by people who don't actually use the >> data but feel it must be awkward. Actually it's not. All OSM data has >> to processed before use. This processing can be fairly >> straightforward or

[OSM-talk] RfD notification: Purge tag "priority" from tracks

2016-04-08 Thread Roland Olbricht
like to discuss, please do so there. Best regards, Roland -- Dr. Roland Olbricht mdv - Mentz Datenverarbeitung GmbH Am Mittelhafen 10 48155 Münster e-Mail: olbri...@mentz.net Tel: +49 (0) 251 70330 232 Fax: +49 (0) 251 70330 300 http://www.mentz.net Sitz der Gesellschaft: Grillparzerstraße 18

Re: [OSM-talk] Overpass XAPI URL Status

2016-09-15 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi Bryce, I help support a large company that uses OSM data, pulled via a specific query at ://www.overpass-api.de/api/xapi . This query runs about once a month. thank you for asking back. First about the status: when I last checked some days ago

[OSM-talk] Overhaul of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Use_OpenStreetMap

2016-11-22 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, I would like to overhaul one of the second level landing pages in the wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Use_OpenStreetMap The main reason is that I've found a forum thread with a completely misinformed user https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=56469 When

Re: [OSM-talk] New Overpass API v0.7.54 version

2017-04-03 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, the blog http://dev.overpass-api.de/blog/ has not only new entries but now also an RSS feed: http://dev.overpass-api.de/blog/rss.xml Cheers, Roland ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Follow up on last summer discussion about the Automated Edits Code of Conduct and the DWG

2017-04-21 Thread Roland Olbricht
ctices and then start to make rules on that. Best regards, Roland -- Dr. Roland Olbricht MENTZ GmbH, Am Mittelhafen 10, 48155 Münster T: +49 (0)251 7 03 30-232, F: +49 (0)251 7 03 30-300 E: olbri...@mentz.net, www.mentz.net Sitz der Gesellschaft: Grillparzerstraße 18, 81675 München Geschäft

Re: [OSM-talk] Coordinates in OSM. Really annoying

2017-04-23 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, Is there /really/ any need for *six* coordinate formats? It's hard enough to learn a new process without basics like this tripping you up. There is nobody who is trusted enough to set an universal standard: https://xkcd.com/927/ Basically, there is an ISO standard

Re: [OSM-talk] New Overpass API v0.7.54 version

2017-03-13 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, the next blog post is now online: http://dev.overpass-api.de/blog/index.html I will add further post once per week Monday evening without further notice. Cheers, Roland ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] New Overpass API v0.7.54 version

2017-03-07 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear all, a new version of Overpass API is now available. It has already been rolled out on a the production server. There are release notes on the releases page in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API/versions As the new features are quite a lot, I will present them

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding duplicate cycleways

2017-04-27 Thread Roland Olbricht
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/oEm Thank you for the link. Unfortunately it does not (yet)catch also the segregated and not-segregated foot-cycle-paths that are tagged using the JOSM presets (highway=path, foot=designated, bicycle=designated, segregated=yes|no)

Re: [OSM-talk] Draft Trademark Policy

2017-08-05 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi Simon, I appreciate that you have in the past helped to smoothen so much of the law bureaucracy that OpenStreetMap cannot avoid. > It obviously wasn't to complicated and required lawyers to register the > domain names in the first place and as the FAQ says we are only asking > for the

Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-09 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, because the whole issue alao affects Overpass API, I have written down my thoughts in a blog post: http://dev.overpass-api.de/blog/fahrenheit_451.html Best regards, Roland ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] All the subway systems in the world

2017-10-07 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, I strongly suggest to oppose the proposal. To do so, you need to add {{vote|no}} --[[User:|]] date under the headline == Voting == once voting is opened. Said in short: Adding more contradictions and confusion in public transport mapping makes a too complex topic worse in terms of

[OSM-talk] Wiki Proposals: An OSM Echo Chamber?

2017-12-04 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi all, We recently had an experienced and productive community member, Ilya, putting a lot of time in a Wiki Proposal just to see the whole process fail. Given the feedback from the process, this has been due to a whole bunch of hard-to-control problems - the whole thing has been too complex

Re: [OSM-talk] Could we just pause any wikidata edits for a month or two?

2017-10-24 Thread Roland Olbricht
But what you are saying is very strange if I understood you correctly.  What I read here is that the only people allowed to fix things are those that know ALL tags and their meaning. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Welcome_to_Wikipedia_users#Original_research_always_wins Or similar

[OSM-talk] Overpass API 0.7.55

2018-05-15 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear all, A new release of Overpass API is now available, version 0.7.55. The core feature of this version are geometries for derived objects: We tell and have told since a long time to people who want to mechanical edit the database that they should rewrite the data on the client side. The

Re: [OSM-talk] Could we just pause any wikidata edits for a month or two?

2017-10-23 Thread Roland Olbricht
So, to sum up: 1) There was a link to disambiguation page that no one has corrected until it was detected by Yuri's tool. 2) User kartonage has wrongly linked "Žagarės I piliakalnis" to "Žagarės II piliakalnis" in Wikipedia. 3) You have reverted it back to disambiguation link and no wikidata=*

Re: [OSM-talk] Tool for tag tracking

2018-01-13 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi Pierre, This new query on the test server reports action=deleted when and object is simply modified to remove all tags. See https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/uJ8 Thank you for pointing to this example. To get the information what has happened, please use [adiff:...] instead of [diff:...]. You

Re: [OSM-talk] Tool for tag tracking

2018-01-11 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, for the sake of completeness, I would like to give a preview what is in the development for Overpass API: Similar to this one https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/54268/search-for-objects-created-after-a-certain-date-with-overpass you could nowadays search with

Re: [OSM-talk] "Nearby features" does no longer work:

2018-08-06 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello, Tryin go use [?] - feature I get "Error contacting https://overpass-api.de/api/interpreter: " I'm sorry for the inconvenience. The problem has been fixed. It essentially has been human error (my error). I would like to thank all the people that have contacted me over various

Re: [OSM-talk] Representing places with no housenumber

2018-08-22 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi Christoph, You probably have to give a real world example since i have no idea if you want to say you have a building with a unique address consisting of addr:street and addr:postcode (could be if there is only one building at this street or with this postcode) or if you want to defend

[OSM-talk] SotM workshop about Overpass API

2018-07-19 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, My SotM workshop will be partly or mostly dedicated to a HowTo-and-Q session about Overpass API. This is an experimental format; I would like to test out whether this works as a workshop or not. The stuff about thinking outside the box of the OSM data model shall fill only a

Re: [OSM-talk] API a lot slower?

2018-07-19 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi Maarten, > Nothing special really, I was just downloading the data from a lot of > relations sequentially in JOSM. I downloaded relation 1360154 with its > members which are bus master_relations that then also load the bus > relations but without their contents, and then I selected all the

Re: [OSM-talk] Power Lines and topological error detection

2018-03-06 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, > Various topological errors related to power lines are not detected by > OSM editors. Monitoring the High Voltage power network for Quebec I > often find nodes connecting crossing waterbody, highways, landuse to the > power lines. FWIW, you can find them with a query like

Re: [OSM-talk] New wave of Pokémon Go mappers – check the parks

2018-04-24 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, Michael, thank you for pointing to the problem. The query finds parks that existed already on April 23rd midnight. I think the relevant parks are rather those parks that have changed since that date. Thus, I suggest the query [timeout:120] [bbox:{{bbox}}]; ( way[leisure=park];

[OSM-talk] No access to Overpass API

2018-09-03 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear all, there have been repeated rumors that Overpass API is not reachable from everywhere. This is of course not intended from my side. There has been the conjecture that censorship is involved. As I do see accesses from 214 countries (ISO 3166-2) in the world in the logfiles, I simply

Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

2018-12-12 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, I would not be surprised if this was more of a rural/urban divide than a country divide. We had run a building for 15 years without an official address here in Germany, Wuppertal (has more than 350k inhabitants): https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/190295244 To cut the story short: It

Re: [OSM-talk] Help - how to get rid of wrong image in wiki?

2018-12-20 Thread Roland Olbricht
have found at all. Note that this is referenced on https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisselstrook and this is still referring to reversible lanes in general, not reversible streets. Best regards, Roland -- Dr. Roland Olbricht MENTZ GmbH, Am Mittelhafen 10, 48155 Münster T: +49 (0)251 7 03 30-232, F

Re: [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - RFC - Mapping disputed boundaries

2018-11-27 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi all, a much simpler approach is to look into the respective constitution. The Ukrainian constitution defines the state's territory in article 133. Other countries, like Germany do so as well, and Ireland does or has done so. France does not define its terriotry in the constitution, and

[OSM-talk] Overpass API turned off due to Upload Filter thread

2019-03-20 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, on 26th March the European parliament will vote on the Directive on Copyright in the Digital Single Market. This directive would as a side effect threaten the OpenStreetMap project with substantial legal and technical burdens, see https://www.openstreetmap.de/uf/en.html To

Re: [OSM-talk] Overpass API turned off due to Upload Filter thread

2019-03-21 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, Overpass API is now back to normal operations. Thank you for your understanding. To ensure that OpenStreetMap will have a place in the future, it still makes sense to phone (yes, phone) your member of the EP. Platforms that assist on that are: https://pledge2019.eu/en

Re: [OSM-talk] Relation #2632934 is "killing" differential update

2019-02-11 Thread Roland Olbricht
There must have happened something ugly at versions 99 and 106: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/FYm Thanks for that - yet again something useful in overpass-turbo ("make stat") that I had no idea existed.  Is there any documentation about it anywhere?  There is

Re: [OSM-talk] Relation #2632934 is "killing" differential update

2019-02-11 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, > there is a relation https://openstreetmap.org/relation/2632934, which > currently has 42698 members. Processing this rel with osm2pgsql fails, > because this value is bigger than 32737 (small int). this is an Osmosis problem. Nonetheless, the relation does not make sense. It is an

Re: [OSM-talk] Relation #2632934 is "killing" differential update

2019-02-11 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, the relevant changesets are 65448087 (for version 99, created_by "upload.py v. 1") and 67093992 (for version 106, created_by "Vespucci 12.1.2.0"). I cite the user agents because the data looks like unintentionally changed that way. I have left a bug report on Vespucci, see

Re: [OSM-talk] problems with differential update?

2019-04-11 Thread Roland Olbricht
Unzipping and re-zipping helps so it is not actually an error in the OSM data. AFAIK both sys admins are currently unavailable so it will take a while to fix. There has been any problem at all here on the Overpass API instances: I got from the server within seconds

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Anyone who likes to organize an ID discussion panel at SotM?

2019-06-04 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, reading the discussions about the direction of ID development and how the community wants the ID at the OSM website I had the idea that there could perhaps be a panel at SotM. Does anyone want to organize an ID discussion panel at SotM? Please tell me or us (program committee in CC) and we

Re: [OSM-talk] usefulness of brand:wikipedia and brand:wikidata tags (was Re: Bank of India (and other) Wikidata tags)

2019-04-18 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear Andy, I would like to use a metaphor: If I had known that the captain of the Titanic considered the ship unsinkable then I had not boarded the ship. Not so much because I had been interested in the captain's belief but because believing to be unsinkable is way too little for a contingency

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

2019-09-11 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, first of all, I am grateful that the responses have all been calm and well-thought. I will make room in the session to document the results of this discussion. Changing to a github-like system of version management I thought of Git, not Github. This is an important

[OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

2019-09-09 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi all, I have got into the duty to talk about tagging governance on the SotM and I would like to develop that opportunity towards something that is rather helpful in the long term. To ensure that I am on the right track and not unintentionally after a personal agenda I would like to ask you to

[OSM-talk] Wording (was: Re: From the SotM: tagging session)

2019-09-30 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello, I'm happy to help out understanding the report of the discussion session. It has been a talking point that the wiki should be purely descriptive. There is no objection that people sort out tagging questions in the wiki, but the mixture of purely descriptive and as normative intended

[OSM-talk] From the SotM: tagging session

2019-09-29 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, I have promised to report results from the tagging session at the SotM. I'm sorry for being late. The good news are that there is a relatively actionable item that has found general acclaim. We would like to have a secondary tag documentation with the properties: - It is

[OSM-talk] User manual for the Overpass API

2019-12-22 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello, for the Overpass API, a user manual is now accessible at https://dev.overpass-api.de/overpass-doc/en/ Key features: - It is a guided tour (and neither a full reference nor an example library, which both are useful but separate resources) - Focus on long term stable functionality -

[OSM-talk] Overpass API version 0.7.56

2020-04-13 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear all, I'm back with providing updates. After more than a year I'm proud to present a new release. This release provides some smaller new features. It is possible to use _angle()_ to filter ways by the angles of their inner vertices. This way, you can find e.g. non-rectangular buildings or

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-18 Thread Roland Olbricht
I would like to add a new status to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Approval_status and to Tag and Key pages in the wiki The value "import" would be used for tags that were used in a large import, but are no longer commonly being added. The misunderstanding about "object:street" has

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM nicknames are Unicode characters? (not Ascii?)

2020-05-28 Thread Roland Olbricht
See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%F0%9D%96%92%F0%9D%96%86%F0%9D%96%98%F0%9D%96%99%F0%9D%96%97%F0%9D%96%94 URL-Percent-Encoding works fine, so does the involved XML. It is solely a problem of UX software. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal for Software Dispute Resolution Panel

2020-08-05 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello, first of all I'm glad to read that the board addresses the sudden funding hole for iD, and does in addition care about the critique around iD. I would like to self-nominate for the software dispute resolution panel. For my understanding of the task please (re-)read

Re: [Talk-transit] bus route/relations done right

2009-11-17 Thread Roland Olbricht
Can I suggest we define some terms. A Line is all the journeys made using a particular reference (4, X13, Citi1 etc). [...] A Line Variant (also know as a Service Variant) is a unique stopping pattern for a bunch of Journeys within a Line. (ie inbound, outbound, inbound via the school,

Re: [Talk-transit] OSM / OPNV-Karte to Excel/SVG

2010-01-21 Thread Roland Olbricht
Am Mittwoch, 20. Januar 2010 00:16:18 schrieb Tiziano D'Angelo: Hello to everyone! As another bonus to the work done, I'd love to export the data of each route relation first to some excel/text/CSV file or database where I can see lat/long + name of the stop in the correct forward/backward

Re: [Talk-transit] JOSM Plugin

2010-02-06 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello, thank you for trying the plugin. Cool. So far I've seen a new menu item Public transport having appearing in my main menu. Anything else to discover? No, that's all so far. At the moment, the plugin facilitates to build bus services when the underlying streets and bus stops already

Re: [Talk-transit] Help: Bus Stop Data Extraction for Bus Routing Service

2010-02-09 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear Grace, We would like to extract public transport data for public transit routing service in Sweden. This will be a difficult, maybe impossible task at the moment. Public transport data are a complicated matter. Most important for you might be that there is no timetable information in

[Talk-transit] Line diagrams

2010-02-24 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, to encourage mapping public transport, Tiziano and I have developed a line diagram generator that displays nice diagrams from (sufficiently properly mapped) bus routes. A showroom example is http://78.46.81.38/misc/showroom.svg generated by the URL

[Talk-transit] RFC on interchanging data

2010-02-24 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, What is the consensus on how to map interchange data? I would like connect two (or more) bus stops and/or railway stations to indicate that you can preferably change vehicles there (e.g. the bus stop(s) that is/are intended to change into a nearby train station). This is often

Re: [Talk-transit] [Sketch-line] suggestion of improvement

2010-03-30 Thread Roland Olbricht
Suggestion of improvement Sketch-line from an example : http://78.46.81.38/api/sketch-line?network=Ginkoref=7correspondences=100 The ways forward and backward are not on the same streets for the line 7 in Besançon. The Scheme * relation:line ** relation:route ** relation:route is very

[Talk-transit] Annoucement: Plugin for JOSM enhanced

2010-04-15 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, the Public Transport plug-in for JOSM has been enhanced to simplify the mapping of stops and stations. You can now convert a GPX file semi- automatically to (bus) stops in the map, just with a few keystrokes. The reworked documentation is available at

Re: [Talk-transit] Bus stops in North America from GTFS data

2010-06-10 Thread Roland Olbricht
You may want to follow British/German standard. There is a tag that identifies stops uniquely, sorry can't recall at the moment. The last time I saw it was Siegburg/Bonn train station. Do you mean the ref tag as on node 160621? I'd strongly advice not to follow that way. The ref has also

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed changes to oxomoa schema [part 1]

2010-06-28 Thread Roland Olbricht
those two would meet in point A, from which the branch line sets off/rejoins the core line. So a hypothetical future route-finding algorithm would follow different_route to its end, upon meeting core line it would continue along. It just doesn't work. Having an unordered relation or even

Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS compatibility

2010-07-01 Thread Roland Olbricht
But we are still in the thinking-about-this stage, haven't made any decisions, and are looking for suggestions and comments (hence this posting). Let me make a suggestion: instead of producing duplicates and leaving mappers with the frustrating task of tiding up, you could use JOSM to do a

Re: [Talk-transit] maintenance is very time consuming on public transport routes

2013-12-02 Thread Roland Olbricht
First of all, it's great to see that the list comes back to life again. I hope we can use the enthusiasm to solve some of the problems that have hade public transport mapping so tedious. One of the core issues is that there are very different concepts of what makes up a bus service. In the

Re: [Talk-transit] Tagging of railway station

2013-12-07 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, 1. Position of tag railway=station There are currently two approaches [1]: (i) on a node within the main concourse area (ii) on an area encompassing the land used for passenger services (including any concourse, platforms and associated tracks) I strongly opt for (i). As you have

[Talk-de] Night of the living maps 07.02.2012 - API-Überlastung vorbeugen

2012-02-01 Thread Roland Olbricht
Kompatibilität extra den XAPI-Kompatibilitätslayer. Einfach Server im JOSM SVN unter josm/plugins/mirrored_download/src/mirrored_download/UrlSelectionDialog.java eintragen und committen. Viel Spaß mit dem Plugin, Roland Olbricht ___ Talk-de mailing

Re: [Talk-de] Welche Tags für Bahngleise

2012-02-17 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hallo zusammen, Welche der folgenden Tags sind in Deutschland für Bahngleise mit railway=rail sinnvoll? Mehr Antworten könnte es geben, wenn Du auf nahverk...@lists.openstreetmap.de nahverk...@lists.openstreetmap.de nachfragst. Grundsätzlich ist es aber immer besser, zusätzliche

Re: [Talk-de] Welche Tags für Bahngleise

2012-02-18 Thread Roland Olbricht
public_transport=stop_position ist ganz falsch und sollte nur aus Kompatibilitätsgründen verwendet werden. public_transport=stop_position sollte laut Wiki ursprünglich den Ort kennzeichnen, an dem die Fahrzeugspitze hält. Ist das deine Meinung oder schon irgendwo ein Konsens? Wir haben

Re: [Talk-de] Welche Tags für Bahngleise

2012-02-18 Thread Roland Olbricht
Erfasst du einen Mittelbahnsteig als zwei ways mit railway=platform? Um möglichst kompatible Daten zu erhalten, verwende ich im Moment auch eine stop_position irgendwo am Gleis. Mehrere railway=platform ersetzen doch nicht railway=station. Wohin kommt sonst der Name des Bahnhofs? Ich

Re: [Talk-de] Welche Tags für Bahngleise

2012-02-18 Thread Roland Olbricht
Guten Abend zusammen, Karten, die nur railway=station aber nicht die Detailstrukturen darstellen, zeigen den Bahnhof dann nicht. Welche Karte genau? Suchfunktionen (Wo ist der nächste Bahnhof? oder Wo ist ein Bahnhof, dessen Name XY enthält) scheitern. Analysefunktionen liefern falsche

Re: [Talk-de] Fragen zur Overpass API-Syntax

2012-04-17 Thread Roland Olbricht
Ich frage mich immer noch, warum man nicht besser bestehende Query Sprachen wie XAPI und SQL (bzw. OGC's OQL) nimmt und ausbaut, anstelle eine eigene zu entwickeln? Kurz und knapp: Imperative Programmierung steckt hinter Java, C, C++, JavaScript, Python, Perl, Objective-C und weiteren. Damit

[Talk-de] Overpass API v0.6.98

2012-05-02 Thread Roland Olbricht
Guten Abend, von Overpass API ist die neue Version 0.6.98 erschienen. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API/versions Die wichtigsten Neuerungen sind: a) eine kompaketere Syntax für Bounding-Box-Abfragen:

Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummern 999

2012-05-03 Thread Roland Olbricht
(ich würde aber auch für Deutschland nicht sicher behaupten wollen, dass es dort keine 4-stelligen Nummern gäbe). http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.937749lon=6.837367zoom=18layers=M Aachener Straße 1253, Köln -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit

Re: [Talk-de] Overpass API v0.6.98

2012-05-08 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi! Für den Tracks Selector verwende ich folgende Abfrage: (way[highway=track](s,w,n,e);node(w)-.x;);out meta; Sie liefert genau das was ich will: alle Ways mit highway=track innerhalb der Bounding Box und die nodes dazu. Ist das die korrekte/optimale Abfrage? Ja, die Abfrage ist

Re: [Talk-de] Overpass API v0.6.98

2012-05-09 Thread Roland Olbricht
(way[highway=track](s,w,n,e);node(w););out meta; ^^^ Hatte ich ursprünglich. Diese Query hat jedoch nur die Nodes geliefert, die in den Ways enthalten waren. Hmm. Hast Du die Klammern dabei? (way[highway=track](s,w,n,e);node(w););out meta; liefert Nodes und Ways

Re: [Talk-de] Tags finden

2012-05-21 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hallo, Konkretes Beispiel: ich habe einen Kartenausschnitt mit ca. 50 x 50 km und wüsste nun gern, welche Campingplätze es in dem Bereich gäbe: tourism=camp_site Probiere mal: http://overpass-api.de/api/convert?data=(way[tourism=camp_site]

Re: [Talk-de] Tags finden

2012-05-21 Thread Roland Olbricht
Probiere mal: http://overpass-api.de/api/convert?data=(way[tourism=camp_site] (50.0,7.0,51.0,8.0);;node[tourism=camp_site](50.0,7.0,51.0,8.0););out skel;target=openlayers mit ca. 30 Sekunden Geduld.

Re: [Talk-de] Overpass-Api - Relation mit deren Mitgliedern über URL ziehen

2012-05-24 Thread Roland Olbricht
Habe mir mal die Overpass-Api-Doku durchgelesen und danach würde ich auf folgenden Ausdruck kommen, wenn dieses in einer URL darstellen möchte: http://overpass.osm.rambler.ru/cgi/interpreter?data=rel(951643);out; Das Ergebnis kommt auch - aber leider sind die Nodes nicht mit in der

Re: [Talk-de] Online Quality Assurance Editor

2012-06-05 Thread Roland Olbricht
Bei hohen Auflösungen kann es helfen, das Browserfenster zu verkleinern. Der Editor versucht immer den sichtbaren Ausschnitt im Fenster downzuloaden. Ich habe leider keinen Einfluss auf den Server und wie viel Daten er liefert. Mirror ! oder eine Auswahl-Option für den Download-Server.

[Talk-de] ECC für Datenserver

2012-06-10 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hallo zusammen, nachdem die Overpass-API-Rambler-Instanz für unbekannte Zeit ausfällt, muss ich nun recht zeitnah overpass-api.de auf eine größere Maschine umziehen, um zumindest annähernd Zuverlässigkeit bei deutlich erhöhter Nachfrage anbieten zu können. Die wesentliche Frage, die sich mir

Re: [Talk-de] ist damit die Overpass down ...?

2012-06-11 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi ! kurz gefragt ist damit die Overpass derzeit generell down oder gibt es eine alterative URL?? Die Instanz overpass-api.de ist nach wie vor funktionstüchtig. Es sind nur Abfragen abgeschaltet, die mit http://overpass-api.de/api/xapi?* beginnen, weil diese im Moment über 95% der Last

[Talk-de] Overpass API

2012-06-12 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hallo zusammen, die Overpass API kann endlich so langsam wieder in Richtung Normalbetrieb zurückkehren. Ich habe einen neuen, größeren Server (mit ECC) aufgesetzt, der zur Zeit von einem frisch importierten Planet aus mit den Minute-Diffs aufholt und gerade bei Mitte Mai ist. Voraussichtlich

Re: [Talk-de] ist damit die Overpass down ...?

2012-06-13 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hallo, Projekte mit weniger als 10.000 Abfragen und weniger als 1 GB pro Tag müssen sich keine Gedanken machen. Relativ zu den Gesamtdatenmengen fallen solche Datenmengen nicht ins Gewicht. Es sind eigentlich genau die Projekte, die ich mit diesem Server fördern möchte. Aber das wuerde den

Re: [Talk-de] Overpass API - Ergebnis nicht komplett

2012-06-16 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hallo, wenn ich die Relation 123.822 per Overpass-API ziehe, fehlt genau ein Weg (ID 4943717) in der Ergebnismenge.. Meine Query ist relation [name=Elbe] [type=waterway]; way(r); node(w); way(bn); ( way._ [waterway] [waterway!=riverbank] -.a;

Re: [Talk-de] Feedback vom OpenStreetMap-Stand auf dem GeoGames Leipzig Event

2012-07-04 Thread Roland Olbricht
BTW: ist das erzeugen großer, aussortierter Datenpakete mit der Overpass-API eigentlich effizienter als das aussortieren unbrauchbarer Objekte direkt mit mkgmap? Zu der Laufzeit von mkgmap habe ich keine Erfahrung, kann aber gerne etwas zu der von Overpass API sagen. Es hängt von groß und

Re: [Talk-de] Feedback vom OpenStreetMap-Stand auf dem GeoGames Leipzig Event

2012-07-04 Thread Roland Olbricht
Guten Abend zusammen, um dem ganzen eine Linie zu geben: Der Einsatz ist vor allem in dem Szenario nützlich, dass man spontan Kacheln berechnen möchte. Overpass API ersetzt dann die Extraktion und den Splitter. Auf der anderen Seite läuft extract.bbbike.org eigentlich so gut, dass man das

Re: [Talk-de] Relationen aus der Sicht der Auswertung - Segen oder Fluch??

2012-07-08 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hallo zusammen, Es geht konkret um ein Zenario was Relationen und Hausnummern betrifft und nachfolgend bitte keine Diskussion über diese Relation ist aber doof, weil Es geht um die Frage wie ist soetwas überhaupt vernünftig und performant in der Auswertung zu realisieren. Das Beispiel

Re: [Talk-de] Datenexport: Polizei, Feuerwehr und Autobahnanschlussstellen

2012-07-13 Thread Roland Olbricht
Am Freitag, 13. Juli 2012, 15:43:21 schrieb Pascal Vorhaus: Liebe Liste, Ich bin auf der Suche nach einer Export-Möglichkeit für die Kategorien: Polizeistationen, Feuerwachen und Autbahnanschlussstellen in Deutschland. Die Liste sollte die folgenden Daten enthalten: den Namen, die Adresse

Re: [Talk-de] Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!

2012-07-23 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hallo Manuel, Beispiel: Ich habe für unseren Heimat- und Geschichtsverein eine Karte gebaut, auf der alle Bildstöcke, Wegkreuze, Kirchen und Sehenswürdigkeiten als kleine Pinnadeln gezeigt werden. Beim Anklicken der Pinnadel geht ein Popup mit kurzem Text und einem Foto auf. Wenn doch jede

Re: [Talk-de] Overpass - Superroute

2012-07-31 Thread Roland Olbricht
hi ! kann man eigentlich irgendwie auch verschachtelte Relationen (z.b. 71454) ein einem Arbeitsgang mit allen Childs und allen Daten herunterladen ? Ja. http://overpass-api.de/api/interpreter?data=rel(71454);;out; Viele Grüße, Roland ___

Re: [Talk-de] Schlecker, die zweite!

2012-08-07 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hallo zusammen, Unter http://schlecker.openstreetmap.de/ findet man deshalb immer noch 2368 Märkte. Deshalb hier noch mal ein Vorstoß. Wie aktuell ist die Karte? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1168791387 wird noch verzeichnet, ist aber schon seit 3. Juli umgetaggt. Speziell wenn

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