On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
there is a kind of informal guideline that states you shouldn't use
relations for things that can be expressed with a tag (e.g. relations like
all streets of type x in a country b should be omitted because you
pmailkeey . schrieb:
I've always considered OSM to be two maps - a geographic and a routing.
And actually, when you look deeper, both is wrong. It's first and
foremost a database of geographic information, out of which both a map
(of various styles) and a routing graph can be constructed -
Roland Olbricht schrieb:
our current pedestrian routers often don't give street names, but
instead only instructions like look for the line on the map.
To improve that I would like to encourage mappers to give separately
mapped footways their proper name instead of leaving them without name.
2015-04-27 16:43 GMT+02:00 Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at:
The only correct way to put that into a clean DB model would be to create
a relation that has the name on it *once* and has all pieces as members to
which the name applies, including all pieces of street, sidewalk, etc.
there is a
Another possibility is somewhat radical:
- Non-routing or decorative ways for sidepaths.
The current highway tags are quite good for routing a pedestrian or cyclist
from intersection to intersection, and thus
over any reasonable distance.
However there's a desire for what amounts to drawing
On 25/04/15 17:22, pmailkeey . wrote:
First point is the definition of sidewalk as such they should never be
mapped as separate routes but tags for such added to the highway. If
there is no direct access from the footway to the carriageway, it is not
a sidewalk.
The bottom line is that this
On 25 April 2015 at 18:22, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:
Another possibility is somewhat radical:
- Non-routing or decorative ways for sidepaths.
Maybe splitting routing tags (how it connects) from rendering (how it
looks) has merit.
I've always considered OSM to be two
Dear all,
our current pedestrian routers often don't give street names, but instead only
instructions like look for the line on the map.
To improve that I would like to encourage mappers to give separately mapped
footways their proper name instead of leaving them without name.
The suggestion
On 25.04.2015 11:29, wrote Roland Olbricht:
A sidewalk (or bike lane) shall be mapped as a separate way only if a
pedestrian cannot cross the car lanes at any point, i.e. there are
fences or grass strip between footway and the car lanes.
Uh, the example in the other thread was a fence. Grass
I agree with suggesting adding names to sidewalks.
I'm not sure about only mapping sidewalks that are separated from the
road. I agree it has some logic to it, but what about mapping sidewalk
width, surface, markings on the ground for the blind, and all those
attributes a sidewalk can have?
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 5:29 AM, Roland Olbricht olbri...@mentzdv.de wrote:
Dear all,
our current pedestrian routers often don't give street names, but instead
only instructions like look for the line on the map.
To improve that I would like to encourage mappers to give separately mapped
As somebody that has mapped a fair amount of sidewalks as separate ways
(for good reasons) I'm rather split on the issue (and as a tendency
against adding names to objects that don't actually have them).
The adding a tag to the street in question is all fine and dandy, if
- it is actually a
Am 25.04.2015 um 12:30 schrieb Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de:
Uh, the example in the other thread was a fence. Grass strips are easily
crossable for most pedestrians.
Given the number of problems that arise from separately mapping
sidewalks, we should only do it if strictly
Hello,
I have no problem with most of it, but can you please come up with
something else in stead of cycleway=sidewalk. This sounds like the
cyclists have to cycle on the part of the road reserved for pedestrians
or if the cycleway itself has a sidewalk.
I don't know if cycleway=sidepath is
Am 25.04.2015 um 11:57 schrieb Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com:
I'm not sure about only mapping sidewalks that are separated from the road.
I agree it has some logic to it, but what about mapping sidewalk width,
surface, markings on the ground for the blind, and all those attributes a
Hi,
On 04/25/2015 12:33 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
To improve that I would like to encourage mappers to give separately mapped
footways their proper name instead of leaving them without name.
Why do that instead of just adding a single tag to the road?
Roland's use case is routing for
First point is the definition of sidewalk as such they should never be
mapped as separate routes but tags for such added to the highway. If there
is no direct access from the footway to the carriageway, it is not a
sidewalk.
Cartinus, cycleway=sidewalk is understandable by me as being a shared
+1
Mike Harris
-Original Message-
From: Tom Chance [mailto:t...@acrewoods.net]
Sent: 07 August 2009 23:53
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] sidewalks
On Friday 07 Aug 2009 23:15:39 OJ W wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Martin
Koppenhoeferdieterdre
Tom Chance wrote:
If a pavement/sidewalk deviates significantly, just add a footway / cycleway
/
other way branching off from the main highway as appropriate. If the
pavement/sidewalk is really quite separate, as in your Milton Keynes example
(http://osm.org/go/eu4qDpI_3--) then by all
At 10:20 PM 7/08/2009, OJ W wrote:
sidewalks in villages - what to do?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.172898lon=-0.524788zoom=18
are they footpaths or are they road attributes?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Footway
A corollary but very important issue is
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:15 AM, ed...@billiau.net wrote:
a previous poster (I've lost the thread as I'm using my webmail)
said that these could be assumed in residential areas.
While residents here would like concrete paths provided in residential
areas they are not standard by any means.
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Giving a practical example of where currently pedestrian routing can't be
carried out ..
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.52986lon=-0.44605zoom=17layers=B000FTF
( I lived in Hewens Road many years ago so know that area )
There is a fence down the middle of the
sidewalks in villages - what to do?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.172898lon=-0.524788zoom=18
are they footpaths or are they road attributes?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Footway
(probably footpaths if it's at all complicated, since the paths can
make detours
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:20 PM, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote:
sidewalks in villages - what to do?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.172898lon=-0.524788zoom=18
are they footpaths or are they road attributes?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Footway
If it's
On Sat, 8 Aug 2009, OJ W wrote:
sidewalks in villages - what to do?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.172898lon=-0.524788zoom=18
are they footpaths or are they road attributes?
are you thinking of a paved section intended for walking, or just the space
which here could be grass, rough
2009/8/7 OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com:
sidewalks in villages - what to do?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.172898lon=-0.524788zoom=18
are they footpaths or are they road attributes?
IMHO generally it would be better to have all those things (like
lanes) mapped separatly, and the
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Martin
Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
How is routing going to know that you can cross the road if you're on
a sidewalk footpath and there's another one 8m away across a
residential road?
AFAIK that's an open question. IMHO this will have to be
On Friday 07 Aug 2009 23:15:39 OJ W wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Martin
Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
How is routing going to know that you can cross the road if you're on
a sidewalk footpath and there's another one 8m away across a
residential road?
AFAIK
2009/8/8 Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net:
I'm not clear about the benefit of getting this complicated! That's a lot of
extra work!
sure. It's a project for the future, when everything is already mapped
;-), say next year.
Also, how will a routing engine know if a way without parallel
footways
Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com writes:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:20 PM, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote:
sidewalks in villages - what to do?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.172898lon=-0.524788zoom=18
are they footpaths or are they road attributes?
are you thinking of a paved section intended for walking, or just the
space
which here could be grass, rough ground, or even gardened?
a paved surface intended for walking
there are places in my village where you can walk on the grass next to
the road - I've been marking them as 'no
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