Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Maarten Deen
On 2012-09-19 05:36, Willi wrote: I really don't like the attitude expressed by several people here in response to this subject and which is already contained in the subject itself OSMF/DWG governance. Governance. There's no governance. DWG is a group and everybody is free to join it. The

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Richard Fairhurst
Pieren wrote: The one who never made a mistake in JOSM can be the first to throw a stone. *waves* cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Import-guidelines-OSMF-DWG-governance-tp5725810p5726047.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Cartinus
On 09/19/2012 01:58 AM, Marc Sibert wrote: That's why we need of help of the machines... asta la vista, baby ! No, that is why you need more contributors. Preferably those who know what is actually there in reality. Not people who only remotely map stuff from secondary sources. -- --- m.v.g.,

[OSM-talk] Importing third party data

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Lester Caine
Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Alternatively, if this was software development, what should probably be done is: 1. commit the raw conversion for the vectorized cadastre, before the cleanup 2. clean up and upload modified buildings after the cleanup 3. add roads, etc. and upload With the growing

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Lester Caine
Pieren wrote: Finally, he decided that the best solution to clean-up the mess was to delete the previous buildings dataset and import the new one. But again, his first intention was to upload the delta only. I will be the first to admit to being a little lax in adding comments to my commits,

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden guiguid
complaining about the quality of his imports. The user was contacted, he didn't react as I understood. There for he was short time blocked. That's a very fair and fine reaction from the DWG. The user was not banned or something, just blocked for short time to gain his attention. And: why

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 09/19/2012 12:38 AM, Christian Quest wrote: For me a mandatory rule on which someone bases a block decision must be something decided publicly and shared with the community, and clearly published/announced... and none of these has taken place here. Are you saying that we should have

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Lester Caine
guig...@free.fr wrote: Please show me that I'm making jugement mistake, and show me that our work, after beeing uncertain by licence, isn't threatened by centralistic, autoritative, english only person who can set live or dead by non community based decisions. There is a lot of good support

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Christian Quest
2012/9/19 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net Pieren wrote: The one who never made a mistake in JOSM can be the first to throw a stone. *waves* cheers Richard Richard ! As you're joining this topic, can you explain why you changed the guidelines in the wiki to make the dedicated

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Christian Quest
2012/9/19 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Hi, On 09/19/2012 12:38 AM, Christian Quest wrote: For me a mandatory rule on which someone bases a block decision must be something decided publicly and shared with the community, and clearly published/announced... and none of these has taken

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Pieren
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Are you saying that we should have had a vote on the wiki, or what? Who would have been eligible to vote? And are you at the same time saying that changing a policy on the wiki is not clearly published? To progress a

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Richard Fairhurst
Christian Quest wrote: As you're joining this topic, can you explain why you changed the guidelines in the wiki to make the dedicated account a requirement and not a recommendation anymore ? As a few people have already said (Michael, Frederik, Simon etc.) this was basically codifying

[OSM-talk] Anglo (- Dutch) translation guide (was: Re: Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance)

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Maarten Deen
On 2012-09-19 12:04, Richard Fairhurst wrote: It's also been observed, quite rightly, that the nuances of British English - which tends to gently suggest when other languages would say you MUST!!!?!1 - are not easily appreciated by non-native speakers. We had a For this I always use the

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Jean-Marc Liotier
On 19/09/2012 12:04, Richard Fairhurst wrote: [..] Thanks for the level-headed recapitulation - looks like we are moving forward. Firstly, the status of the import guidelines needs to become less ambiguous. At present we have three largely overlapping policies ('Mechanical Edit Policy',

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Lester Caine
Pieren wrote: But let the local community decides when and who. And for that, we need to contact people in their speaking language, not in English, either through a local representative or e.g. standard messages previously translated. Then check with the local community if or what goes wrong

Re: [OSM-talk] Anglo (- Dutch) translation guide

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Michael Collinson
On 19/09/2012 12:17, Maarten Deen wrote: On 2012-09-19 12:04, Richard Fairhurst wrote: It's also been observed, quite rightly, that the nuances of British English - which tends to gently suggest when other languages would say you MUST!!!?!1 - are not easily appreciated by non-native speakers.

Re: [OSM-talk] Anglo (- Dutch) translation guide (was: Re: Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance)

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Lucas Nussbaum
On 19/09/12 at 12:17 +0200, Maarten Deen wrote: On 2012-09-19 12:04, Richard Fairhurst wrote: It's also been observed, quite rightly, that the nuances of British English - which tends to gently suggest when other languages would say you MUST!!!?!1 - are not easily appreciated by non-native

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/18 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org: On 09/18/2012 05:42 PM, Simon Poole wrote: The French cadastre imports are, as you know, a rather controversial subject. In my opinion it is a dataset that doesn't actually increase the usefulness of the OSM dataset for most users (building

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Lester Caine
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The French cadastre imports are, as you know, a rather controversial subject. In my opinion it is a dataset that doesn't actually increase the usefulness of the OSM dataset for most users (building outlines without addresses just don't really help with anything)

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/19 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org: the cadastre integration process represents such an amount of manual processing that some of those who did it took understandable personal offense that their work could be seen as just another botched mass import. If their input can be taken into

[OSM-talk] Source as attribute of object or changeset ? [was: Re: Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance]

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Jean-Marc Liotier
On 19/09/2012 15:58, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: It seems that you generally apply the source-tag to the osm object instead of the changeset comment, but I'd propose to do it the other way round. There are already tens of millions of objects in the db with related source-tags

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/19 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: The size of the whole French cadastre dataset is huge. We could upload it in a single mass import with a bot using a seperate user account as we did for the Corine Land Cover. We could follow 100% of the import guidelines. Trust me, we have all the

[OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden sly (sylvain letuffe)
Hi, I've read the rather long thread Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance and I'd like to propose a change on the wiki page : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines (you can also read and comment on my proposal change on the talk page if you wish to keep this list trafic lower)

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Vincent Pottier
Le 19/09/2012 16:23, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : 2012/9/19 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: The size of the whole French cadastre dataset is huge. We could upload it in a single mass import with a bot using a seperate user account as we did for the Corine Land Cover. We could follow 100% of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Martin Koppenhoefer
I believe that dedicated accounts are generally better for imports than using mixed ones which are also used for original data. This really helps a lot in sorting data according to its intellectual properties holders. The only exception I could possibly see is data that doesn't come with strings

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Richard Fairhurst
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I believe that dedicated accounts are generally better for imports than using mixed ones which are also used for original data. This really helps a lot in sorting data according to its intellectual properties holders. Yes, absolutely. The really obvious example

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/19 Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com: Les données du cadastre ne peuvent former à elles seules les données OSM. Ce qui interdit un import massif, direct et automatique It means : You cannot make a map with only data from cadastre. You can only mix them with other data. Yes, and the

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Pieren
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: I would caution against repeating the same mistake. I thought that such issue is not possible anymore with ODbl. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Richard Fairhurst
Pieren wrote: I thought that such issue is not possible anymore with ODbl. No, the Contributor Terms simply say You are indicating that, as far as You know, You have the right to authorize OSMF to use and distribute those Contents under our current licence terms (1a). If the licence changes to

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Pieren
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Pieren wrote: If the licence changes to one which is incompatible with the import, OSMF may remove Your contributions from the Project (1b)... and that rather requires being able to identify what these incompatible

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Jonathan Bennett
On 19/09/2012 17:26, Pieren wrote: So, theoretically, we might have the same issue when tracing from Bing for instance. Should we use a different account for Bing imagery contributions as well, just in case we move later to a licence incompatible with Bing ? No, because tracing over Bing

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/19 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: So, theoretically, we might have the same issue when tracing from Bing for instance. The only obligation when creating data with the help of Bing aerial imagery is that is has to be a non-commercial editor and that you have to contribute back to

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden sly (sylvain letuffe)
The really obvious example of this is the Polish UMP data, which was licensed CC-BY-SA and could not be kept post-licence change. If dedicated accounts had been used, removing this data would have been relatively easy; in reality, it has been (and continues to be) a nightmare. :( Although I

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Richard Weait
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Pieren wrote: I thought that such issue is not possible anymore with ODbl. No, the Contributor Terms simply say You are indicating that, as far as You know, You have the right to authorize OSMF to use and

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Lucas Nussbaum
On 19/09/12 at 16:24 +0200, sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: Hi, I've read the rather long thread Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance and ^^ Note that the use of the term guidelines is problematic by itself. Either they are *guidelines*,

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Alex Barth
On Sep 19, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Pieren wrote: I thought that such issue is not possible anymore with ODbl. No, the Contributor Terms simply say You are indicating that, as far as You know, You have the right to authorize OSMF to use and

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Pieren
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: The only obligation when creating data with the help of Bing aerial imagery is that is has to be a non-commercial editor and that you have to contribute back to openstreetmaps.org The only obligation to use

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Lester Caine
Richard Weait wrote: So use a separate account for imports. And follow the other guidelines as well. The guidelines make for a better OSM, even if it is slightly less convenient. I suppose if a mapper is ONLY using import data then they only need one account? As long as it is flagged as

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Pieren
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: requires being able to identify what these incompatible contributions are. : What has also happened, when cleaning up the inappropriate import, is that the user mixed the import with their regular account. I agree with

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Jean-Marc Liotier
Before we go further with policy edits, perhaps we should make sure that everyone understands the goals and that there is a consensus about them... That will make the resulting rules or guidelines more acceptable. Let's focus on the item that triggered the current debate : the requirement for a

Re: [OSM-talk] Source as attribute of object or changeset ? [was: Re: Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance]

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Jaakko Helleranta.com
Have such schemes been proposed before ? Not sure about that. But this is logical and feasible _if_ all added/edited objects in a changeset had/have the same source. I can only say for sure about my own mapping: It would be almost always impossible for me -- except when tracing in areas I've

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden andrzej zaborowski
On 20 September 2012 00:41, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I believe that dedicated accounts are generally better for imports than using mixed ones which are also used for original data. This really helps a lot in sorting data according to its

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Michael Kugelmann
On 19.09.2012 09:05, guig...@free.fr wrote: Perhaps, because the user doesn't understand English please use google translate or any other translating tool available on the web or use a printed dictionary or ... Best regards, Michael. ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Michael Kugelmann
On 19.09.2012 12:04, Richard Fairhurst wrote: As a few people have already said [...] cheers Richard applause for this comment! And to clarify it already now: there is no irony behind this statement. Best regards, Michael. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Eric Marsden
th == Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu writes: ecm account block. But historical information such as the number of ecm blocks imposed per week are missing AFAICT (allows people to ecm monitor for admin abuse). th It should be pretty obvious from browsing the block list: th th

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Michael Kugelmann
On 19.09.2012 11:22, Christian Quest wrote: We're voting proposed tag scheme. ... or not. Frequently nowadays a new value or scheme is invented w/o voting. No statement by myself whether I think this is good process or not... So these hard rules are coming from nowhere ? There's no process

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Paul Norman
Sending to imports@ and cc'ing talk@ as that's more widely read than the wiki talk pages. From: sly (sylvain letuffe) [mailto:li...@letuffe.org] Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update Or, to make it even clearer, can I commit my change to the wiki without starting an edit

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Richard Weait
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: Before we go further with policy edits, perhaps we should make sure that everyone understands the goals and that there is a consensus about them... That will make the resulting rules or guidelines more acceptable. Since

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Michael Kugelmann
On 19.09.2012 17:03, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I believe that dedicated accounts are generally better for imports a very clear +1from my side. Best regards, Michael. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Michael Kugelmann
On 19.09.2012 18:51, Richard Weait wrote: More likely, and more often, what happens is that a well intentioned mapper uses a source for which he believes he has permission. Imports, then finds out that he didn't have (sufficient) permission for the current license. This has happened many times.

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Michael Kugelmann
On 19.09.2012 18:42, sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: Although I agree we shouldn't forget the past to avoid repeating the same mistakes but since every cases beeing different, I'm proposing to let local communities decide what they think is good for them. But only if it is not completely opposed to

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Eric Marsden
rw == Richard Weait rich...@weait.com writes: rw the facts at hand. A group of importers decided that they weren't rw going to follow the guidelines. Then one failed to respond when rw approached about a specific guideline. And now a group is upset to rw find that their

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Vincent de Chateau-Thierry
Hi, Le 19/09/2012 22:55, Richard Weait a écrit : - Cadastre is not an import. Cadastre is an import. Could you do the same thing if there were no Cadastre to import? No, you couldn't. Cadastre is an import. Cadastre is sometimes an import, sometimes not. Using the same data source, you

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Michael Kugelmann
On 19.09.2012 23:45, Vincent de Chateau-Thierry wrote: The only criteria for removing French Cadastre data will be the value of the source tag. That's a bad idea: if someone for what ever reason just decides to remove (or change) the source=cadastre tag of a object (and don't change anything

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Pieren
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Since you[1] are trying to revise guidelines that are found to be acceptable across the community Could you provide evidences about this ? Since the vast majority of the community does not care about import guidelines, I

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Pieren
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: There definitely is not general agreement at this time that this passage should be changed. Could you please point out in archives (wiki or mailing list) where the separate account became generaly agreed ? Or you can simply

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Greg Troxel
Pieren pier...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Since you[1] are trying to revise guidelines that are found to be acceptable across the community Could you provide evidences about this ? Since the vast majority of the community

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden David Groom
- Original Message - From: Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net To: sly (sylvain letuffe) li...@letuffe.org Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update On 19/09/12 at 16:24 +0200, sly (sylvain

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Mike N
On 9/19/2012 6:29 PM, Michael Kugelmann wrote: Or to be more precise: you need to use a lot of effort and check all versions of an object (this means: the whole planet) whether it once had the source=cadastre tag. But thats a lot of work to do. Much (!) more easy to identify all the object is if

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Paul Norman
From: Vincent de Chateau-Thierry [mailto:v...@laposte.net] Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update Hi, Le 19/09/2012 22:55, Richard Weait a écrit : - Cadastre is not an import. Cadastre is an import. Could you do the same thing if there were no Cadastre to import?

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Russ Nelson
Pieren writes: Could you please point out in archives (wiki or mailing list) where the separate account became generaly agreed ? It's always been generally agreed upon as far as I know. You could look at the wiki and see when the text was first edited to suggest a separate account. I would do

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Toby Murray
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 9/19/2012 6:29 PM, Michael Kugelmann wrote: Or to be more precise: you need to use a lot of effort and check all versions of an object (this means: the whole planet) whether it once had the source=cadastre tag. But thats a lot

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fwd: Gebruikersvoorwaarden BAG niet meer van toepassing

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Minko
En zouden die techneuten dat evt ook op het forum willen delen, of is dat teveel gevraagd? Zie http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=274222#p274222 ZMW schreef: Is een een techneut die deze BAG data als transparant layer voor JOSM beschikbaar kan stellen?

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] N317 via A18

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 18 September 2012 21:38:35 Wimmel wrote: Mijn probleem was anders, namelijk twee verschillende soorten wegen, gaan over hetzelfde stukje asfalt. De A18 (highway=motorway) en de N317 (normaal highway=primary). Omdat de highway tag natuurlijk niet aanpas, klopt de betekenis van de ref

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] N317 via A18

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Maarten Deen
On Tuesday 18 September 2012 21:38:35 Wimmel wrote: Mijn probleem was anders, namelijk twee verschillende soorten wegen, gaan over hetzelfde stukje asfalt. De A18 (highway=motorway) en de N317 (normaal highway=primary). Omdat de highway tag natuurlijk niet aanpas, klopt de betekenis van de ref

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Michael James
On 09/19/2012 04:35 PM, Ross Scanlon wrote: They are not mini-roundabouts if you can not drive over them. Look here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmini_roundabout Also read the Australian Tagging Guidelines here:

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Michael Collinson
FYI, Franc was kind enough to let me have a copy of his original Perl import script. Email me if you want a copy. However, and I think Franc would agree, I understand it has really been superceded by the capabilities of ogr2osm. Emilie Laffray said to me in email, If it is done properly

[talk-au] Rest areas

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden John Henderson
Hi all, I want to draw attention to the correct tag for rest areas, namely highway:rest_area http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Drest_area Most I've seen have been tagged as amenity:parking and/or tourism:camp_site. The camp_site tag is wildly misleading, as setting up camp is

Re: [talk-au] Rest areas

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Andrew Harvey
On 20/09/12 06:03, John Henderson wrote: Hi all, I want to draw attention to the correct tag for rest areas, namely highway:rest_area http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Drest_area Most I've seen have been tagged as amenity:parking and/or tourism:camp_site. The camp_site

Re: [talk-au] Rest areas

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden John Henderson
On 20/09/12 08:17, John Smith wrote: The rest area to the south of Gympie allows camping for up to 48 hours or something like that, it's not the only one, but the one I know off the top of my head. I'm aware of a few of those free caravan/camping facilities, sometimes provided by local

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Ken Self
Unfortunately I've found that the ABS data that the data is not as good as it ought to be. Many nodes that should be shared are not coincident and in many cases a vertex node for one boundary has no corresponding node on the straight through boundary. And in some cases the vertex node is not quite

Re: [talk-au] Tasmanian Survey Marks

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Ross Scanlon
something that will enable me to check my Garmin 62s' accuracy and give the ability to align Bing when I find them on the ground providing that they can be seen from Bing. Be great if they are in nice circles of I doubt if you'll see them on bing as most survey points are way too small. You'd

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Ross Scanlon
On 19/09/12 19:28, Michael James wrote: On 09/19/2012 04:35 PM, Ross Scanlon wrote: They are not mini-roundabouts if you can not drive over them. Look here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmini_roundabout Also read the Australian Tagging Guidelines here:

Re: [Talk-br] mapas do IBGE e JOSM/PicLayer

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden George Silva
Arlindo e demais... Geralmente fico só nos bizus na lista, mas não acho que seja o ideal duplicar a informação, portanto, aqui vai uma sugestã: Deixe que o IBGE se preocupe com o armazenamento dos dados por enquanto. Abra o repositório no github e faça um link através da wiki do git. É menos

Re: [Talk-br] mapas do IBGE e JOSM/PicLayer

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Arlindo Pereira
Criei o repositório no GitHub: https://github.com/nighto/calibracao-mapas-ibge Gerald (e demais), você pode colocar lá (ou me passar) os arquivos .cal referente aos arquivos que você já fez? []s 2012/9/19 George Silva georger.si...@gmail.com Arlindo e demais... Geralmente fico só nos bizus

Re: [Talk-de] Quo Vadis FOSSGIS 2013

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Markus
Hallo Tirkon, *Wikimedia-Foundation* und *OSM-Foundation* sind für mich /wesentlich/ eigenständige Organisationen. Sie sollen m.E. nicht vermischt werden. Und schon gar nicht nur deshalb, weil die OSMF (bisher - aber das ändert sich ja gerade) wenig Inhalt, Prozess und Struktur zeigt. Die

Re: [Talk-de] 3D Einträge, vorlage JOSM, roof Tags

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Andreas Hubel
Hallo, Am 18.09.2012 um 11:40 schrieb Lars Schimmer l.schim...@cgv.tugraz.at: Dazu eine Anmerkung: das roof:levels tag ist ein wenig, hm, unschön. Da das Gebäude (Keller, Kasten an sich) mit building:levels und building:levels:underground getagt wird, aber das Dach plötzlich mit roof:levels -

Re: [Talk-de] 3D Einträge, vorlage JOSM, roof Tags

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Lars Schimmer
Moin ;-) On 19.09.2012 08:45, Andreas Hubel wrote: Am 18.09.2012 um 11:40 schrieb Lars Schimmer l.schim...@cgv.tugraz.at: Dazu eine Anmerkung: das roof:levels tag ist ein wenig, hm, unschön. Da das Gebäude (Keller, Kasten an sich) mit building:levels und building:levels:underground getagt

[Talk-de] Mappen von Gebäude mit Tiefgarage, 3D feature Problem!

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Lars Schimmer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Moin! Ich hader etwas mit einem geeignetem Tagging schema für Gebäude mit Tiefgarage. Situationen: 1. http://osm.org/go/0I5UUdblq-- das Gebäude mit Zielpunkt drinnen Da ist unter der gesamten Fläche eine Tiefgarage, so auch gestern eingetragen, mit

Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Conditional Restrictions

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Eckhart Wörner
Hallo Ronnie, Am Dienstag, 18. September 2012, 14:46:21 schrieb Ronnie Soak: Das erste Proposal zum Thema extended conditions das mir (von den Tücken der englischen Sprache mal abgesehen) intuitiv genug für den Otto-Normalnutzer scheint und doch auch verzwickte Fälle noch einigermaßen

Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Conditional Restrictions

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Ronnie Soak
Viel gravierender ist, dass das Schema für Mapper zumindest in den heutigen Editoren eine Katastrophe ist, aber das scheint ja eher ein Randaspekt zu sein. Kannst du das genauer ausfuhren? Wo siehst du Probleme? Natürlich gibt es momentan noch nichts in den Editoren. Es ist ja auch nur ein

Re: [Talk-de] Mappen von Gebäude mit Tiefgarage, 3D feature Problem!

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Andreas Dommaschk
Hallo, Am 19.09.2012 09:58, schrieb Lars Schimmer: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mein Plan: viele, viele building:part=yes für die einzelnen Höhen eintragen, über alles ein building:parts=vertical. Nur wie die Tiefgarage eintragen, und wie die Rasen/Pools im Innenhof korrekt

Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Conditional Restrictions

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Jochen Topf
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:06:36AM +0200, Eckhart Wörner wrote: Am Dienstag, 18. September 2012, 14:46:21 schrieb Ronnie Soak: Das erste Proposal zum Thema extended conditions das mir (von den Tücken der englischen Sprache mal abgesehen) intuitiv genug für den Otto-Normalnutzer scheint und

Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Conditional Restrictions

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Eckhart Wörner
Hallo Ronnie, Am Mittwoch, 19. September 2012, 10:28:19 schrieb Ronnie Soak: Viel gravierender ist, dass das Schema für Mapper zumindest in den heutigen Editoren eine Katastrophe ist, aber das scheint ja eher ein Randaspekt zu sein. Kannst du das genauer ausfuhren? Wo siehst du Probleme?

Re: [Talk-de] Mappen von Gebäude mit Tiefgarage, 3D feature Problem!

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Lars Schimmer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-09-19 10:31, Andreas Dommaschk wrote: Hallo, Am 19.09.2012 09:58, schrieb Lars Schimmer: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mein Plan: viele, viele building:part=yes für die einzelnen Höhen eintragen, über alles ein

Re: [Talk-de] 3D Einträge, vorlage JOSM, roof Tags

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Peter Barth
Hallo, Lars Schimmer schrieb: Der building:parts=* sollte ja nur die Hülle des gesamten Gebäudes umfassen, um zu sagen: das ist ein Gebäude, welches horitzontal/vertikal in kleinere Teilstücke aufgeteilt werden soll. Die einzelnen Teilstücke sind dann mit building:part=yes gekennzeichnet.

Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: Darstellung der Wanderwege des Harzklubs im OSM

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden bkmap
Am 18.09.2012 21:26, schrieb Manuel Reimer: Johannes Hüsing wrote: Dann wäre es ja auch schon strittig, ob man operator=REWE mit beim Supermarkt einträgt. ... oder gar name=REWE... Ich frage mich hier, was das Markenrecht tatsächlich aussagt. Nennen und niederschreiben wird man den Namen ja

Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Conditional Restrictions

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden aighes
Am 19.09.2012 10:46, schrieb Jochen Topf: Diese Abstimmerei über ein Theoriegebäude bringt doch nix. +1 Der GUI ist es doch letztlich nahezu egal, was sie in die Tags schreibt und dem Auswerter ist es auch nahezu egal, was in dem Tag steht (es gibt ein paar Einschränkungen, wie konstante

Re: [Talk-de] 3D Features von Gebäuden, weclhes Schema?

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Peter Barth
Hallo, tumsi schrieb: Ein etwas andere Frage, aber zu diesem Thema: Gibt es bereits ein Vorlagen-Addon für JOSM für das 3D-Schema. Ja gibt's :) Schau mal in den Einstellungen unter den Objektvorlagen. Da gibt es die 3D properties von Kendzi (der Entwickler von Kendzi3D und auch ein

Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Conditional Restrictions

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Eckhart Wörner
Hallo aighes, Am Mittwoch, 19. September 2012, 11:28:37 schrieb aighes: Der GUI ist es doch letztlich nahezu egal, was sie in die Tags schreibt und dem Auswerter ist es auch nahezu egal, was in dem Tag steht (es gibt ein paar Einschränkungen, wie konstante Keys). Egal wie simpel das Schema

Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Conditional Restrictions

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Ronnie Soak
Okay, folgendes Beispiel (vereinfachtes Beispiel aus der Wirklichkeit): eine Autobahnbrücke, auf der bei Nässe langsam (80) gefahren werden muss, die Geschwindigkeit wird vor der Brücke schrittweise reduziert: http://eckhart-woerner.de/~eckhart/conditional-restrictions.osm Weil in der

Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Conditional Restrictions

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Eckhart Wörner
Hallo Ronnie, Am Mittwoch, 19. September 2012, 11:51:45 schrieb Ronnie Soak: Okay, folgendes Beispiel (vereinfachtes Beispiel aus der Wirklichkeit): eine Autobahnbrücke, auf der bei Nässe langsam (80) gefahren werden muss, die Geschwindigkeit wird vor der Brücke schrittweise reduziert:

Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Conditional Restrictions

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden aighes
Am 19.09.2012 11:41, schrieb Eckhart Wörner: Hallo aighes, Am Mittwoch, 19. September 2012, 11:28:37 schrieb aighes: Der GUI ist es doch letztlich nahezu egal, was sie in die Tags schreibt und dem Auswerter ist es auch nahezu egal, was in dem Tag steht (es gibt ein paar Einschränkungen, wie

Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Conditional Restrictions

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Ronnie Soak
Hi Eckhart, aighes auf den Stücken vor und hinter der Brücke: maxspeed:conditional = 100 @ (22:00 - 06:00) Auf den bei Nässe reduzierten Stücken: maxspeed:conditional = 100 @ (22:00 - 06:00); 80 @ (wet) Die detailiertere Bedingung wird jeweils hinten angehägt. Es gilt bei Nässe nach

[Talk-de] GPS Anfänger

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden wwl
Hallo, ich arbeite jetzt ein paar Wochen an der Verbesserung der OSM Daten in meiner Gegend. Jetzt plane ich mir ein GPS Gerät zuzulegen um selber noch genauere Daten zu holen. Da ich noch keine Erfahrung damit habe bin ich mir nicht sicher ob ich mir ein Gerät wie z.B. Garmin eTrex oder

Re: [Talk-de] Quo Vadis FOSSGIS 2013

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 19. September 2012 02:16 schrieb Tirkon tirko...@yahoo.de: Georg Lösel georg.loe...@fossgis.de wrote: Ein weiteres Projekt, das derzeit von der Wikimedia gefördert wird, sind Luftaufnahmen, um Wikipedia Artikel besser illustrieren zu können. Hier könnte man abklären, inwiefern so etwas auch

Re: [Talk-de] GPS Anfänger

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Hartmut Holzgraefe
On 09/19/2012 01:12 PM, wwl wrote: Zu was würdet Ihr mir Raten und wovon soll ich die Finger lassen? Vorteile echter GPS Geräte: (hoffentlich) besserer Empfang und genauere Ergebnisse, und vor allem längere Batterielebensdauer als ein typisches Smartphone, optional barometrische Höhenmessung

Re: [Talk-de] GPS Anfänger

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Lars Schimmer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-09-19 13:12, wwl wrote: Hallo, ich arbeite jetzt ein paar Wochen an der Verbesserung der OSM Daten in meiner Gegend. Jetzt plane ich mir ein GPS Gerät zuzulegen um selber noch genauere Daten zu holen. Da ich noch keine Erfahrung damit habe

Re: [Talk-de] 3D Einträge, vorlage JOSM, roof Tags

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Lars Schimmer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-09-19 11:24, Peter Barth wrote: Hallo, Lars Schimmer schrieb: Der building:parts=* sollte ja nur die Hülle des gesamten Gebäudes umfassen, um zu sagen: das ist ein Gebäude, welches horitzontal/vertikal in kleinere Teilstücke aufgeteilt

Re: [Talk-de] GPS Anfänger

2012-09-19 Diskussionsfäden tumsi
Hallo Christian, Original-Nachricht Betreff: [Talk-de] GPS Anfänger Datum: Wed Sep 19 2012 13:12:05 GMT+0200 Von: wwl use...@schani.com An: talk-de@openstreetmap.org ich arbeite jetzt ein paar Wochen an der Verbesserung der OSM Daten in meiner Gegend. Jetzt plane ich mir ein

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