Hey Andrew,
I'm not sure I agree with you that naming a supercharger is equivalent
to the naming of a supermarket branch.
To me, the supercharger seems more akin to a petrol pump, and while you
might map individual pumps only the service station would be named.
Phil raises a good point
Hello all,
I'm pleased to report that the Oceania community on the OpenStreetMap
Discourse server is open and operational!
https://community.openstreetmap.org/c/communities/oceania/73
If you've never used discourse, check out this How-To [1] guide for all
the tips and tricks. For those
Hello all,
In accordance with the Moderator Selection Criteria [5], there are now
five days for voting on this proposed new subcategory.
Please, leave your votes here [6].
Dian.
On 2022-10-26 23:05, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hello Australia and New Zealand lists,
Earlier this month I reached
Hello,
In a recent edit, the Suburban Rail Loop [1]was marked as "under
construction", and as a result is now rendering as a dashed railway
line.
Just seeking views from others here: is this a bit premature? Should
only a section of the loop be marked as under construction, or any parts
Hello Australia and New Zealand lists,
Earlier this month I reached out to gauge interest in an Oceania
category on the OSM Community [1] page. This effort has progressed and
the request for the Oceania subcategory is being considered.
Three moderations have been proposed:
*
Thanks all,
As part of the request, we will need to nominate 3 moderators.
https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/moderator-selection-criteria/2392
Is anyone interested?
Dian
On 2022-10-11 22:15, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hello,
For those that aren't aware, there is currently a big push
Hello,
For those that aren't aware, there is currently a big push to move
discussions from the mailing list/old forum onto the new community site.
https://community.openstreetmap.org/
As part of the new site, we have the ability to request a new category
or subcategory to be created
Hi all,
The "best" tagging for some of these paths are inherently subjective, as
there isn't a tagging method that captures the subtleties involved.
Firstly, distinguishing between a "foot way" and a sidewalk is a
subjective decision. How far from a road does a parallel path be before
it
need to make changes.
Dian
On 2022-10-02 09:11, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 at 20:51, Dian Ågesson wrote:
I will continue updating relations where I can, but any help would be
greatly appreciated tagging highway segments.
Happy to help where I can, Dian.
What's involved
country"="AU"]["addr:state"="TAS"](area.searchArea);
);
out meta;
;
Easily edited for other classes
Cheers - Phil
From: Dian Ågesson
Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2022 8:49 PM
To: OSM Australian Talk List
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Proposed Bulk Edit: Road Rout
ppreciated tagging highway segments.
Dian
On 2022-09-20 20:13, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hello list,
You may recall earlier this month the road route tagging guidelines
were updated to adopt the "AU:" country prefix in the network field.
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/ta
Hey Graeme.
I would go with phone:AU:mnemonic with capitals. :)
Dian
On 2022-09-25 00:30, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
Thanks!
It turns out that we actually have provision for
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:phone:mnemonic,
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:phone#Phonewords!
Hello list,
You may recall earlier this month the road route tagging guidelines were
updated to adopt the "AU:" country prefix in the network field.
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2022-September/016533.html
In order to make the transition as quick and seamless as
to volunteer to work on this.
Mark P.
On 26 Aug 2022, at 8:00 pm, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hello all,
Following on from a previous discussion on the mailing list [1], I've
put together guidelines that would allow us to implement AU: prefixes
in our route network tags.
The content is here
to volunteer to work on this.
Mark P.
On 26 Aug 2022, at 8:00 pm, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hello all,
Following on from a previous discussion on the mailing list [1], I've
put together guidelines that would allow us to implement AU: prefixes
in our route network tags.
The content is here:
https
Hello all,
Following on from a previous discussion on the mailing list [1], I've
put together guidelines that would allow us to implement AU: prefixes in
our route network tags.
The content is here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Diacritic/Proposed_Australian_Routes
I am
Hello Andrew, and all.
I've updated the draft guidelines to document these changes. I've
included an example of how it would be tagged.
What are your thoughts?
Dian
On 2022-08-18 09:44, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hi Andrew,
I really like what you're suggesting here. I'll adjust the draft I
?
Cheers.
Andrew
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022, 2:38 pm Dian Ågesson, wrote:
Excellent pick up Ben.
For routes that cross state borders, I would favour using AU:NAT (or
AU:COM/AU:FED/AU:AUS, something that says "interstate or national).
I could also see an argument for creating a seperate relation for
Excellent pick up Ben.
For routes that cross state borders, I would favour using AU:NAT (or
AU:COM/AU:FED/AU:AUS, something that says "interstate or national).
I could also see an argument for creating a seperate relation for each
state, with a national superrelation…. To be that seems
d opinions; tried to match the
existing structure as closely as possible.
Dian.
On 2022-08-12 12:36, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hey Andrew,
I'm not surprised this is challenging to explain in an email. When I
tidied up the Roads wiki page it was immediately clear that there are
multiple layers of
Hey Andrew,
I'm not surprised this is challenging to explain in an email. When I
tidied up the Roads wiki page it was immediately clear that there are
multiple layers of complexity here.
My understanding that there are several distinct "highway" concepts in
Australia. When you are
Hey Graeme,
The 4WD_only tags and track types are already documented on the roads
subpage of the Tagging Guidelines.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Roads
Do you think we should be adding detail for fords specifically?
Dian
On 2022-08-10 02:06, Graeme
Hey Mateusz,
The "sub address" that the reporter is describing are subdivisions with
individual unit numbers. The unit number should be mapped using
addr:unit, rather than included as part of the house number.
For example, a postal address of 1/50-52 Smith St should be mapped as:
://www.ffm.vic.gov.au/recreational-activities/walking-and-camping/australian-walking-track-grading-system
Cheers - Phil
-Original Message-
From: Kim Oldfield via Talk-au
Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2022 8:21 PM
To: Dian Ågesson
Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OSM Wiki Cleanup
Hi all,
Unfortunately bus lane restrictions are not the same in each state and
territory.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Transportation.
As there isn't a consistent delineation about what counts as a public
service vehicle in each state and territory,
Hello,
The sixth subpage of the Australian Tagging Guidelines:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Cycling_and_Foot_Paths
is ready for review.
This page took a significant amount of effort, as there is ongoing
discussions, conflicting global guidelines, and
Hi,
I am resending this email as it apparently bounced.
Dian
On 2022-05-12 12:44, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hello,
The fifth subpage of the Australian Tagging Guidelines:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Transportation
is ready for review.
This page took
Hi Tony, Ian
The Bush Walking and Cycling Tracks section has not changed in some
time. I added the {{Controversial}} template following the extensive
discussions around the time I started cleaning up the wiki pages
Good morning.
This change to all localities in Australia has been executed.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121025161
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121025214
If you have any concerns or questions, please don't hesitate to get in
touch.
Dian
On 2022-05-09 14:11, Dian
Hey all,
Following the mailing list discussion last month
(https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2022-April/016101.html),
the Australian admin_levels have been updated in the wiki:
From: Luke Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 9:52 AM
To: Anthony Panozzo
Cc: Dian Ågesson; talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13
It is also acceptable from the point of view of the camera as stated in
the Road Rules.
On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 10:18, Antho
Anthony,
This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just
to be clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the
buttons without question and you are happy to defend every single one
of his edits
Speaking personally, I am not defending every single
Good morning Anthony,
I've had a look at the intersection in question. In this edit
(https://osmcha.org/changesets/120456255) TheSwavu has:
- Deleted forty five relations
- Deleted four ways within the intersection ("the cross")
- Altered four restrictions to apply a u-turn restriction
Hi Anthony,
I'm not particularly interested in previous disagreements, so I'm not
going to wade into this other "bus stop" issue.
It is clear that there is a disconnect between what you understand these
edits are doing to routing algorithms, and what the other editors are
explaining is
Hi Anthony,
I can sympathise with your sense of frustration. It does feel irritating
when you feel as though your work is being undermined or broken. I know
I've spent a lot of time making changes for better routing, only to find
the same errors get reintroduced.
I think your frustration
Hello,
Thank you for the feedback for the subpages that have been completed so
far.
The fourth subpage of the Australian Tagging Guidelines:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries
is ready for review.
Of particular importance in this
Hello list, and happy Friday.
Cleanup has of the Tagging Guidelines page is continuing.
The
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Roads
received positive feedback, and with some minor adjustments has now been
integrated fully into the page.
The third Tagging
Hey Bob,
Even though the term isn't used in Australian English, I'd almost be
tempted to use the layby tag.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:parking%3Dlayby
In regards to the "informality" of these parking spaces, I think
access=permissive would do the trick.
Dian.
On 2022-04-20
Hey Andrew,
I'm chiming in as I encountered this issue documenting the "cleaned up"
Roads tagging guidelines.
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Roads)
The tagging guidelines (both prior to, and following cleanup) state it
is good practice in Australia to
ot sure the best way to
address this.
Should we talk about pipestems in driveways, given recent discussions
on this list?
Unnamed Roads should use "noname=yes" and not "noname=*". That's
probably what you intended, but may not be obvious to someone
encountering the noname tag f
Hello list,
Cleanup has of the Tagging Guidelines page is continuing.
The
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Australia%27s_First_Peoples
received positive feedback, and has now been integrated fully into the
page.
The second Tagging Guidelines subpage of
Hi Steve,
You are looking in the right spot, although the confusion is
understandable-the proposal (for lack of a better word) is for ACT
Districts to be moved from Level 7 to Level 5, and for the other
"districts" to not be included at all.
Forgive me if I over-explain some of these
/Lands_administrative_divisions_of_New_South_Wales
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadastral_divisions_of_Victoria
Dian
On 2022-04-09 10:44, Andrew Davidson wrote:
On 8/4/22 21:57, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hey Andrew,
I don't believe anything was decided with regards to ACT districts.
However, after looking into the details I don't
ty.
Dian
On 2022-04-08 02:47, Andrew Harvey wrote:
On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 at 09:33, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hey all,
Resurrecting this thread to see if there are any objections to
implementing the following changes as part of the cleanup:
-Removing admin_level=7
Was there a resolution for Andrew
Hey all,
Resurrecting this thread to see if there are any objections to
implementing the following changes as part of the cleanup:
-Removing admin_level=7
-Moving localities to admin_level=9
Dian
On 2021-12-04 22:29, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hey Andrew,
Forgive my ignorance; how should we
Hey Graeme,
Apologies; error in the email!
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Projects [1]
Dian
On 2022-04-07 04:10, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
Looking good, thanks, Dian.
On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 13:20, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hello list,
* New Project Pages have been created
Hello list,
Cleanup has been steadily progressing for Australian OSM Wiki pages.
* New Project Pages have been created
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Projects).,
* The Australia page has a new look, and outdated information has been
removed
This is unusual behaviour, certainly.
I can see that the notes in the US are being closed en masse as they
can't be verified through compatible sources.
On looking at the notes added in Australia, they do seem to be an
automated script comparing what's in OSM to an external source.
The
Hey Graeme,
It would need to be fixed, but I think it would be very doable in JOSM;
change all the name: to address:street number and then strip out the
'#'.
I'm happy to have a look later tonight if you aren't confident.
Dian
On 2022-03-19 17:45, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
Just found a
e taken to it's extreme interpretation there would be a large
number of highway=residential that, due to being in privately developed
areas, could be change to pipestem. I don't think that is the intent.
Thoughts?
Matthew
On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 9:42 AM Dian Ågesson wrote:
Interestin
driveways. Some could equally be classified as
private residential roads.
But they could all do with a clean up, one way or the other!
cheers
Tom
Canyoning? try http://ozultimate.com/canyoning
Bushwalking? try http://bushwalkingnsw.com
On 15/03/2022 9:22 pm, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hi Seb
Hi Seb!
The last time this came up on the mailing list
(https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2021-September/015014.html)
most people seemed to approve of the following mapping:
highway=service
service=driveway
driveway=pipestem
Dian
On 2022-03-15 20:16, Sebastian Azagra
Hello all,
As discussed in an earlier email chain, I have started to perform some
clean up of the wiki. To do this, I am building a set of pages in my
wiki "Userspace", to avoid causing overlap with the current versions. I
am documenting my changes/work here:
Hello,
Things have escalated somewhat:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/118091243
(There has definitely been something lost in translation, as this change
isn't an example of what I was speaking to the editor about.)
As Kim said, I'm not talking about the marginal cases.
These
Hi Cleary,
Two points:
Paint isn't a barrier. Vehicles can, and do, traverse over paint; it's
legal in many cases if there is a road blockage, for example. Being
unable to change lanes doesn't make a single road into two roads. If I
can't merge left then I'm not travelling on a different
Hello,
I'd like some assistance resolving a disagreement I'm involved with
regarding the correct mapping of dual carriageways at intersections. I
have previously mentioned this topic on the mailing list here:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2021-September/014968.html
[1].
Perhaps a simple food=yes on highway=rest_area?
On 2022-02-26 11:52, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
Just spotted one of these on a Note.
Do we map them at all, & if so how?
Cafe perhaps, possibly together with rest-area?
Thanks
Graeme
___
Talk-au
2-22 18:54, osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote:
If you do, please make sure to not just incorporate the recent
undiscussed, subjective, if not outright wrong changes by Aaronsta.
From: Dian Ågesson
Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2022 17:00
To: OSM Australian Talk List
Subject: [talk-au] Anyone
Hello,
The wiki contains loads of really good information, but it's a little
bit hard to navigate: the Australian Tagging Guidelines page seems to
contain the most current information but is getting very long. There are
a lot of state-specific articles that don't seem to have been updated
Hello,
I noticed in these changes that the Australian tagging guidelines have
included this note about footpaths (sidewalks) in jurisdictions where
cycling is allowed.
"
On all shared use paths which can be used by both pedestrians and
cyclists.
*Cycling is permitted on footpaths in
Hey Graeme,
Spotting your change certainly reminded me of the shared zone signs I've
been seeing, but not because it is tagged incorrectly. It's been on my
to do list since I nearly got run over eating a Bunnings sausage over
Xmas!
I think that this is a good example of a true "living
Hello,
I am increasingly encountering shared zone signs in carparks, driveways
and other minor service ways. The tagging guidelines suggest that shared
zones are the equivalent of a highway=living_street, but I'm not sure
that is the case.
When Shared Zones are applied to shopping strips,
and dry)
Dian
On 2022-02-10 01:28, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hey Brendan, Graeme
If we wanted to alleviate the explicitly conditional problem, you could
combine the following:
vehicle:conditional=discouraged @ (Dec-Apr "Impassable during wet
season")
vehicle:conditional=no @ (Dec-A
Hey Brendan, Graeme
If we wanted to alleviate the explicitly conditional problem, you could
combine the following:
vehicle:conditional=discouraged @ (Dec-Apr "Impassable during wet
season")
vehicle:conditional=no @ (Dec-Apr and wet)
By leaving it discouraged without further info gives
Genuine question:
If I go to Officeworks and get a sign printed with the name "Bob" and
put it on my letterbox, does that become the name of my house?
On 2022-02-04 06:31, Warin wrote:
On 4/2/22 17:25, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
I've always listed the name of units & so on just as
addr:housenumber.
We should update the wiki to describe this as a valid scenario.
On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 at 10:24, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hello,
I had assumed that the addr:unit tag would be the appropriate place
for a unit number in a subdivided block (specifically a complex such
as this: https
Hello,
I had assumed that the addr:unit tag would be the appropriate place for
a unit number in a subdivided block (specifically a complex such as
this: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1024067987 [1]).
The wiki seems to suggest that the addr:unit is for subdivisions of a
single building
Hi all,
When this issue was last raised on the mailing list, I suggested the
following tagging schema.
* highway=rehabilitation
* access=no
* informal=yes
* rehabilitation:highway=path
* source:access=parks agency name
As has already been raised,
Hi Andrew,
There a few conceptual things I don't understand about how is_in would
be implemented with regard to suburbs
I'm curious; if the border of a suburb is defined by a road; does the
border change when the road is changed? If, for some reason, the
boundary road was moved 10m north,
Hey Andrew,
Forgive my ignorance; how should we approach the Nominatim team? I'm
more than happy to do so, I just don't know where to go.
Dian
On 2021-11-30 09:21, Andrew Davidson wrote:
On 30/11/21 09:55, Andrew Harvey wrote:
Since we don't have formally defined boundaries for
From my (admittedly limited) understanding, there are several different
forms of recognition and ownership of land by Australia's First Peoples,
and it varies from state to state. I don't believe the specific
boundary=administrative tag is appropriate for any of the use cases, but
I want to
Hello,
I wanted to prompt a conversation about admin_level tagging in Australia
and whether the current levels are appropriate.
For context, I have been slowly changing suburbs in suburban Melbourne
back from place=town to place=suburb following
low the "map
what's on the ground" good practice.
My only suggestion would be alt_name=* being the same as
official_name=* is probably redundant.
On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 at 21:11, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hello,
There has been a flurry of activity in South-East Melbourne surrounding
th
be sourced correctly and follow the "map
what's on the ground" good practice.
My only suggestion would be alt_name=* being the same as
official_name=* is probably redundant.
On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 at 21:11, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hello,
There has been a flurry of activity in South-East Melb
hat's on the ground" good practice.
My only suggestion would be alt_name=* being the same as
official_name=* is probably redundant.
On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 at 21:11, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hello,
There has been a flurry of activity in South-East Melbourne surrounding
the opening
Hello,
There has been a flurry of activity in South-East Melbourne surrounding
the opening of the brand new M11 extension. Unfortunately, it seems as
though sources vary on the name of this new section of road.
The construction has been heavily advertised and promoted as the
'Mordialloc
Hi Andrew,
From your description in example A, it sounds like you are describing
frontage roads (what we would call service roads in Australia). Rather
confusingly, the service tag isn't the best tag for these roads;
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Frontage_road has a good
explanation.
Thanks Warin,
I maybe should have explained myself a bit better; I was actually
referring to the ways leading into the roundabout, rather than the
roundabout itself. :)
On 2021-11-15 20:38, Warin wrote:
On 15/11/21 6:18 pm, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hello,
Quick question, as I'm not sure
Hey all,
I would appreciate the thoughts of the community with regards to suburb
representations.
In a recent change set
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/113355648) a node was
introduced for Gruyere. Gruyere is on the urban boundary, but is
technically in Metropolitan Melbourne. As
I think you've struck the central issue here: if it is on the ground, it
will get mapped again, and again and again by editors who think that the
path is merely missing, not consciously removed.
It should be recorded, in some way, so that the illegality of the path
is stored. I can imagine a
To: Dian Ågesson
Cc: OSM-Au
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Service road highway areas as frontage road
access
On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 13:54, Dian Ågesson wrote:
On the most recent edit, a highway=service area has been introduced for
a roadway between a main road, a frontage road and a side street
Hello,
A few months ago I mentioned issues around duplicate ways for turn lanes
at intersections (Mailing list link [1]).
Since then I have worked to resolve some of the intersections and I have
also reached out to the editor(s), who haven't responded or engaged but
have slowly adjusted
Hello,
I've stumbled upon a considerable trove of towns that have had Russian
names added to them. https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1bRp
After going through them they nearly all seem to be transliteration done
my the same handful of users (who have various amounts of blocks).
While the tag is
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