Re: [talk-au] Bridges in the ACT

2010-08-14 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:54 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: name=* should be the bridge name, not the road name Not necessarily, according to the wiki. It seems that this is still ambiguous. ... at the very least I would do bridge:ref=* since you are referring to some kind

Re: [talk-au] How to tag a church without its own building

2010-07-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: Should I place a node as usual over the building (place_of_worship= (etc)) with a note that it meets in the school hall? IMHO, No - I don't like the idea of using separate/duplicate features (e.g. an extra node) to

Re: [talk-au] Queensland parks, forests and conservation areas

2010-06-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:49 PM, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: Here's what I've currently got, any more comments? ... Is it worth using an additional classification:qld=national_park|conservation_park|state_forest, etc. (or similar), just to make things extra clear? That is,

Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?

2010-06-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 8:47 PM, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: In particular, anything of class 4 and above can vary a lot. There are tracks which probably aren't rated but if they were would be Class 6 that I'd be happy to go on for an afternoon walk by myself, and there

Re: [talk-au] Attributing points and/or areas

2010-06-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: Thinking from an OSM perspective I'd say move all the attributes from the point to the polygon and delete the point. That's what I do. With my GPS hat on I'd say attribute the polygon as amenity=fuel but leave

Re: [talk-au] Attributing points and/or areas

2010-06-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 7:20 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 June 2010 07:12, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: With my GPS hat on I'd say attribute the polygon as amenity=fuel but leave the point and all its attributes so it shows up on the GPS as a POI. IMHO

Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?

2010-06-16 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:57 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Some of us were discussing making a custom hiking map styles on IRC earlier so we can print out such maps or use them in presentations to show bush walkers the potential of what they can get back out of OSM. In case

Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?

2010-06-16 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:30 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:   - ideally there needs to be more granularity of track difficulty     - track_visibility=* is probably useful     - sac_scale=* is less useful as it is too specific to alpine areas     - however, something

Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse

2010-06-16 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:07 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2010 10:39, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I am facing the same issue in Bendigo. I have been considering suggesting a landuse=rural_residential tag. AS you state, these blocks are too

Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse

2010-06-16 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 2:11 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2010 14:09, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I don't disagree Roy. I still argue that the land use isn't wholly residential and that these peri-urban areas are a distinct land use. The

Re: [talk-au] Highway classifications

2010-06-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Do we have any objective way of deciding what is a major through route within a local area vs a minor through route within a local area? By definition, the definition will be dependent on the context. From

Re: [talk-au] tagging giveway signs

2010-06-10 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:46 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: XAPI reports only 7 or 8 highway=giveway tags and I was wondering if there was something used more often. No idea, but FWIW wouldn't highway=give_way be more consistent with other OSM tags? i.e. separating words with

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: Community Notification- Services Relocation

2010-06-09 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 3:03 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 June 2010 14:26, David Dean dd...@ieee.org wrote: Looks like NearMap or us need to talk to BrisConnections about attribution. It might have been better to contact them privately about this before resorting to

Re: [talk-au] Bridges and Tunnels

2010-06-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:47 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: If you can run a script over data it could also be pre-processed in a similar manner without needing explicit tags on the objects. This is true. i.e. Rather than automatically adding layer=whatever to the DB where

[talk-au] Styled Maps for the Google Maps API v3

2010-05-27 Thread Roy Wallace
Google: This new styling feature gives you full control to display and customize the parts of the map that lets your data on the map shine. http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2010/05/styled-maps-and-wrapping-up-io-in-style.html ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] General Observations.

2010-05-19 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au wrote: Yes, I would be *recording* what I *saw* in the field. FWIW, I think Brendan's got a good point. It comes down to what's verifiable. I disagree with Ross that an abbreviation mapping can only work one way. It is

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:41 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still after suggestions on how to tag multiple transponders for the same node, I don't think tagging multiple nodes on the same spot is a good idea, using a single node + multiple relations might work I suppose,

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-16 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:13 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I'm leaning towards producing metro and non-metro data sets and bulk importing the non-metro data sets and then offering the metro data sets on a request basis, or is there a better way to handle this and other

Re: [talk-au] Nominatim gives wrong suburb?

2010-05-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:09 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Either the ABS boundaries might be wrong, or the boundary has moved since 2006, or where you think the boundary is, isn't where the ABS thinks it is, it's borderlineish though...

Re: [talk-au] Nominatim gives wrong suburb?

2010-05-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 1:17 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 May 2010 23:40, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think I know what might be going on. The property is clearly within the suburb of Annerley, however, the property's associatedStreet

[talk-au] Nominatim gives wrong suburb?

2010-05-12 Thread Roy Wallace
Gday, On osm.org, search for Annerville Place. The Nominatim results suggest the address is in Yeronga, however, this should be Annerley. Can someone please check the relevant admin boundaries and let me know why this happens? I realise this is an unusual request about a specific example, but

Re: [talk-au] Nominatim gives wrong suburb?

2010-05-12 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:37 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: What's the lat/lon? http://maps.bigtincan.com/?z=7ll=-27.119,152.794layer=000B000TT http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.517456lon=153.027702zoom=18layers=B000FTF

Re: [talk-au] Wikifiddling

2010-04-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: I think that we need to put our stuff on our own wiki. I don't see how you reached that conclusion. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Wikifiddling

2010-04-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that a separate wiki can be useful at cases, if not only for the case that it can be potentially be easier to search and to work from it. In my opinion, this kind of fragmentation is something to be

Re: [talk-au] Lonely Planet

2010-04-11 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: I bought a Lonely Planet book of Oz today. I thought that I would use it for POIs - to try and put things on the map that are in the guidebook, as this would make OSM more attractive to tourists. I'm not starting at A and continuing

Re: [talk-au] NearMap now have OSM opaque maps as well as overlays

2010-04-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: It doesn't look like the actual style files that the OSM site uses are available (or if they are, they're not easy to find). I'm guessing it's this one (?):

Re: [talk-au] Tagging Outback Australia

2010-04-01 Thread Roy Wallace
I am leaving for a 5 month trip through parts of outback Australia in a few weeks and I want to add to OSM as much additional detail as I reasonably can. Sounds great :) should the elements be shown as separate nodes and individually tagged or as multiple tags to a single node. In my

Re: [talk-au] Traffic Signals

2010-03-11 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: ... So far, I haven't seen much evidence that we have ways of aggregating excess information into more manageable chunks. As others have already suggested: we need relations. There's already proposals semi-underway

Re: [talk-au] Incorrectly expanding abbreviations

2010-03-10 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:15 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone have any thoughts about what to do about this? Contact those that made the incorrect changes. Other than that...Is there a particular wiki page that recommends names be spelt out in full? If so, you could

Re: [talk-au] CC-BY-A data released for Victoria

2010-03-02 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:47 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I think making OSM files available to anyone and everyone is a bad idea simply because it only takes a couple of overly zealous mappers or people with malice and we really will have a problem on our hands. I

Re: [talk-au] CC-BY-A data released for Victoria

2010-03-02 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Another possibility is that we just say - OSM is just a repository for this data and we don't modify it in any way, or add to it, and then just do a complete bulk import every time a new version becomes available.

Re: [talk-au] CC-BY-A data released for Victoria

2010-03-01 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:26 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: ... having bad data is better than no data John I agree with your overall position, but this isn't the best way to phrase it. Thanks for making the data *available for import*. The method of importing it will of

Re: [talk-au] CC-BY-A data released for Victoria

2010-02-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 3:19 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I've moved the previous files and all the rest of the files Mike converted here: http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/data.vic.gov.au/ Can you please explain if/how you would suggest regular mappers help with the

Re: [talk-au] Overmapping?

2010-02-24 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Michael spam...@gmx-ist-cool.de wrote: The footways along Duoro Road and Harbour Street (but not the one between them!) do not carry any information IMHO I disagree. They indicate that there is a footway there. If it's a verifiable fact, IMHO it rightly

Re: [talk-au] Opening hours

2010-02-23 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:59 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Third sunday of the month, from 9 until 12 can be tagged as: opening_hours=Su[3] 09:00-12:00 Sunday markets on the 1st, 3rd and 5th Sundays of the month: opening_hours=Su[1,3,5] 06:00-12:00 These are good. Last

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Personally I don't think it's reasonable to map anything on a residential property I wonder if any lawyer/privacy expert/etc. has written on this subject before... ___ Talk-au

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: ... I don't think it should render on the default mapnik. If for no other reason than we want *public* tennis courts to be visible, and all those private ones just create a lot of noise. Just add access=private (or

Re: [talk-au] Tram stops and routes for Melbourne

2010-02-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Andy Botting a...@andybotting.com wrote: The Director would however approve the release of the data provided the usual terms of our licence agreement were in place. They clearly just don't get it hey... ___ Talk-au

[talk-au] google maps criticised for unreliable toll road routing

2010-02-03 Thread Roy Wallace
@ http://apcmag.com/google-maps-bug-forces-melburnians-down-toll-roads.htm A bug in Google Maps Australia is forcing people down costly toll roads whether they like it or not. Just a thought - might be a nice reminder to check how we are doing on this front in OSM?

Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map

2010-02-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:37 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: It might be useful to clarify things when it comes to Coles Express and Woolworths locations as to what the operator/naming should be I use name=Woolworths for Woolworths petrol stations. Have never used the operator=*

Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map

2010-02-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:29 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I use name=Woolworths for Woolworths petrol stations. Have never used the operator=* tag - should I? I haven't seen any difference to the rendering with or without the operator tag. Thanks for the response, but I'm not

Re: [talk-au] access=destination

2010-01-25 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: A Local Traffic sign is a recommendation, not a law. As such, it is sort of the opposite of access=designated, which is designed to show places we would prefer certain vehicles to go, this is designed to show places we

Re: [talk-au] access=destination

2010-01-24 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: ... I've emailed QLD gov and Brisbane CC about what the signs mean, though I'm not holding my breath for a response... An email response from the Road Safety System Management Division, Department of Transport and Main

Re: [talk-au] access=destination

2010-01-24 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Great work Roy Cheers :) (not providing any suggestions) Alright how's this It is an advisory sign to all road users advising the street is not intended to be used by through traffic, however vehicles are the primary

Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp

2010-01-20 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I would suggest tagging the way leisure=slipway. If you need to break the current specification to do so, then make a note on the wiki page. Yeah, how strange that a slipWAY can supposedly only apply to a NODE.

Re: [talk-au] access=destination

2010-01-15 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Can you legally ride a bike through a Local Traffic Only area? The closest I could find, for Queensland is from: http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/CURRENT/T/TrantOpRURR09.pdf 97 (1) Road access signs: A driver

Re: [talk-au] access=destination

2010-01-15 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 8:56 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Motorbike riders are exempt from a number of things cars aren't, ... So doesn't entirely surprise me. Interesting. So this potentially means all access=destination tags should be changed to motor_vehicle=destination +

Re: [talk-au] access=destination

2010-01-15 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 7:41 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/16 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Interesting. So this potentially means all access=destination tags should be changed to motor_vehicle=destination + motorcycle=yes. Would be better to first get

Re: [talk-au] Haitian Earthquake Emphasizes Danger of a Split Geo Community

2010-01-15 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:16 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: It's all a matter of tradeoffs and what is most important to you - being able to use it for whatever you want, or getting the most data in OSM. Well said. Funny thing is, they're not independent - i.e. making OSM data

Re: [talk-au] Haitian Earthquake Emphasizes Danger of a Split Geo Community

2010-01-15 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 2:43 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: If we can get people making editors to add tags to changesets based on your license preference then any PD data, even if it's changed later to become ODBL, can be collected. ... the changeset might be good enough, as

Re: [talk-au] access=destination

2010-01-15 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: For the time being, it might be best to tag them with a specific local_traffic_only=yes or something, so we know exactly what is being encoded. +1. I've emailed QLD gov and Brisbane CC about what the signs mean, though

Re: [talk-au] access=destination

2010-01-14 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Logically, access=destination would apply to all forms of traffic. So you should tag it motor_vehicle=destination, right? I don't know. What are you basing that on? Can you legally ride a bike through a Local Traffic

Re: [talk-au] access=destination

2010-01-14 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I would have thought so, because afaik these rules are to reduce traffic noise. Bicycles not being noisy, I would have thought they weren't included. Maybe, but it's unclear... Anyone good at chasing down legal

Re: [talk-au] Incorrect entry to BP service station

2010-01-12 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: Trying to drive or route to disconnected nodes is nonsensical. A question, then: what proportion of OSM POI's are disconnected? Should we be taking steps (in terms of mapping guidelines) to ensure POI nodes and buildings (and

Re: [talk-au] Incorrect entry to BP service station

2010-01-12 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:59 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On a related issue re: 2), in the case of multiple businesses sharing a building (e.g. a typical AU shopping centre with entrances on the outside of the building), is it advisable to place a POI node This is

Re: [talk-au] Mapping interchanges levels or turn restrictions

2010-01-11 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:57 PM, cam_...@fastmail.fm wrote: Would anyone else like to comment? Yes, but as John asked can you point us to the example? Would make it easier to follow... As for 2 The ways cross without a common node but are on different layers. (Although physically using the

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:25 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/7 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: No. bicycle=yes means it's legal for bicycles (The public has an official, legally-enshrined right of access). bicycle=designated means it's designated for bicycles (The way

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: ===Cycleway=== I would say shared use paths vastly outnumber bike-only paths, so I propose bicycle=designated foot=designated. Horse...no? Paths that allow horses, like rail trails, aren't too rare, but can be catered

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/7 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 10:49 +1000, Stephen Hope wrote: From a quick skim of the wiki, it seems that 'bicycle=yes' means that bicycles are allowed on the way, where

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: Mapping progress in Victoria

2010-01-05 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: They include all ways, not just vehicular roads. Essentially the State Government layer also contains some non-vehicular ways as well, so it is difficult to compare apples with apples. Is the State Government

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:56 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Any idea if/how/where to get this info for other states? For QLD, a quick search suggests perhaps these sites, as a start: http://www.mainroads.qld.gov.au/en/Driving-in-Queensland.aspx (includes Guide to Queensland

Re: [talk-au] Relations, road names and numbers

2010-01-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: ... I think it would probably be a good thing if renderers distinguished as little as possible between properties on ways and properties on relations. +1. Tagging the way should override the tag on the relation, where

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:22 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The reason I ask is someone mentioned the info was from an internal document... No, the Vic stuff is from the web. Maybe it's wrong of me to assume that most of the major ways in Brisbane would have been done to

Re: [talk-au] Mapping progress in Victoria

2010-01-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I have created a table summarising the length of roads by postcode. The table compares the State Government data with OSM data (from cloudmade). This is great. May I ask where it is? (I thought you may have added

Re: [talk-au] Invisible POI's

2010-01-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Speed cameras are a bit of a mess tagging wise, some add a node others add a relation, but I don't think any method renders on OSM... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Speed_trap

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: Happy New Year OSMers! Have created a page listing all the Victorian routes (M, A, B C roads) - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Victoria%2C_Australia/Routes. Woah this is a great idea. Have you

Re: [talk-au] Cul-de-sac

2010-01-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO they justify an extra way, as there is clearly a physical separation and two separate areas of bitumen. (Go ahead and add a whole extra node

Re: [talk-au] Mapping road closures...

2010-01-01 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 5:47 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The only problem with this scheme is you can't do, first sunday of the month for example. Surely someone in some field has already come across this problem before - i.e. surely someone's already developed a formal

Re: [talk-au] Mapping road closures...

2010-01-01 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com wrote: think it might have to be derived, e.g. http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/vb-date2.htm#Month http://code.google.com/p/datejs/ That's a shame. But iso 8601 is probably still a good starting point.

Re: [talk-au] MapOSMatic will now do any where...

2009-12-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Can't help but wonder if Australian cities will ever have that level of detail... Hell yeah they will. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Ok, I tried this myself and it doesn't work, seemingly because the slippymap plugin attempts to fetch tiles from url/*/*/*.jpg, rather than urlz=zx=xy=ynml=Vert. What is the URL format?  If it's possible to change the

Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Ok, I tried this myself and it doesn't work, seemingly because the slippymap plugin attempts to fetch tiles from url/*/*/*.jpg, rather than urlz=zx

Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:44 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/29 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Actually, in addition to this, it would be great if you could allow the date to be specified in the path, i.e. allow us to make requests in the form of http

Re: [talk-au] Wrong way round the roundabout

2009-12-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: My 2 cents: anything that is less important than tertiary is: 1) if it is a named/public road:  * residential if lined primarily with people's homes and used primarily by people accessing those homes  * unclassified

[talk-au] amenity=parking in the middle of a field?

2009-12-26 Thread Roy Wallace
Anyone know what the deal is with this?: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/316607432 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: After that it might be wise to figure out some strategy to monitor changes to admin boundaries to limit the effect of mistakes in future. Easy fix. Don't join other ways to them. I don't get it. If I join another way

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:04 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/23 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: After that it might be wise to figure out some strategy to monitor changes to admin boundaries

Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-22 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The problem I'm really trying to solve is with the slippymap plugin, because it is compiled and the URL isn't easily setable/changeable

Re: [talk-au] Tagging fuel locations

2009-12-20 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:42 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I've just update a matilda location with information from their website (types of fuel sold etc). Any way, they list services on their station locations like hot food, groceries, dry cleaning etc:

Re: [talk-au] Victorian police locations...

2009-12-20 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:46 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Feel free, but these locations are all tagged with fixme=not_reviewed and show up in things like keepright etc, and as I said before I even made a custom page for the bp locations to make it simpler again. IMHO it

Re: [talk-au] Tagging fuel locations

2009-12-20 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Specifically, though, I'm wondering why use amenity:atm=yes rather than atm=yes? Is there ever some atm that isn't an amenity? It's for when there are several amenities sharing one node. Not that any renderers/editors

Re: [talk-au] Tagging fuel locations

2009-12-20 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:43 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:atm=yes this was Roy's point amenity:atm=yes is not consistent with the page I just mentioned I

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: I have not changed the current intersection in osm but here are two screen shots of the intersection in josm. http://www.4x4falcon.com/osm/junctions/intersection_messy.jpg

Re: [talk-au] Vic hospital locations

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:03 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: ... seems to include a lot of disclaimers about the information being best effort/use at own risk... Probably just covering their back - because people looking for a hospital do tend to be at risk if the data's

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: In that case, the voting means nothing at all? Weird. From my perspective, voting's similar to asking for opinions on an email list, just with the added benefit of yes/no responses and documentation of results.

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:46 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I thought long and hard about this issue before I make the first correction to a local roundabout.  I came to the conclusion that roundabout entry and exit points should be separate. Sure, and I see the logic - but the

Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:28 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: Steve Bennett wrote: Yeah, good work. Should the name be Bairnsdale Centrelink or just Centrelink? I'm all for putting town/suburb names in as well.  One place where it matters is looking up POIs on GPS units. These

Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I feel weird tagging name=Bowls Club - that's clearly not the name I would feel weird too! If you don't know the name, PLEASE don't enter a name=*. ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: This is an interesting example. The _messy and _simple techniques, of course, could just as well be described as _complete and _approximate, etc. No _messy is over mapped and _simple is accurate. This is subjective

Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I feel weird tagging name=Bowls Club - that's clearly not the name I would feel weird too! If you don't know the name, PLEASE don't enter a name=*. This must be important to you. Why so? People tag A=B when they

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-17 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:59 AM, morb@beagle.com.au wrote: In the first case I have edited the entry, exit and roundabout as meeting at exactly one node.  IMHO this represents reality and if the router can't handle it then the router should be upgraded to suit (or its OSM-to-router-format

Re: [talk-au] [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-15 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:20 PM, swanilli swani...@gmail.com wrote: Two points: 1. The terminology foot=designated and bicycle=designated is confusing, since the opposite of designated is not no but undesignated or non-designated. Just leave it as it is on thousands of ways as bicycle=yes or

Re: [talk-au] Intro video to OSM in Australia

2009-12-15 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:03 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: An idea came to me the other day about some kind of intro to OSM video, with a noticibly Australian slant to it. I've seen a couple of intro videos for different editors, but I had something else in mind, where we

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-14 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:10 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: So... sports_centre for the actual sporting facilities, something_club for the commercial bit? Maybe social_club? club_rooms, while it sounded good for the buildings members genuinely use for their meetings and

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-14 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:08 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/15 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Thought I might chip in to me this seems to be a matter of trying to cram a complex and ambiguous meaning into a single tag. I couldn't help but be reminded

Re: [talk-au] [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: One question, though, for Australian shared path, shouldn't this be: highway=cycleway, bicycle=designated, foot=designated rather than

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, Liz wrote: we're having another discussion about this same point concurrently on t...@openstreetmap.org and making a number of suggestions there care to join in? bum steer tagg...@openstreetmap.org And can I

Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The problem I'm really trying to solve is with the slippymap plugin, because it is compiled and the URL isn't easily setable/changeable by a user, there is no options to tweak the URL in the plugin interface/settings

Re: [talk-au] [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-12 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: so i filled the Australian guidelines page with definitions from the road rules hope no one gets offended! Nice work. I'm adding talk-au to this discussion. Liz has updated:

[talk-au] Implications of license change on use of Australian data sources (e.g. nearmap)

2009-12-09 Thread Roy Wallace
If The License Change goes ahead, will that have any influence on, say, the legality of tracing from nearmap imagery? Does it appear as though some contributions will have to be removed if The License Change happens? If so, what kind of contributions?

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