Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:07 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: Then we would have confusion around whether a picture on the ground counts as a sign or not :) My dictionary says that designated (in this sense) means denoted, marked or pointed out, which I'd say a sign or marking on

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-10 Thread John Smith
2010/1/11 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:07 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: Then we would have confusion around whether a picture on the ground counts as a sign or not :) My dictionary says that designated (in this sense) means denoted, marked or

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-08 Thread James Livingston
On 07/01/2010, at 5:25 PM, John Smith wrote: 2010/1/7 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: I usually interpret designated as signed, which is an attractive interpretation because it's verifiable. To avoid confusion perhaps it should have been bicycle=signed? :) Then we would have confusion

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:25 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/7 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: No. bicycle=yes means it's legal for bicycles (The public has an official, legally-enshrined right of access). bicycle=designated means it's designated for bicycles (The way

[talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-06 Thread Steve Bennett
I've created an entry on the default access restrictions wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions#Australia Now we can debate each line: === Motorway=== I left this as default. In Australia, some freeways allow bikes and farm machinery, some don't.

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-06 Thread James Andrewartha
2010/1/6 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: I've created an entry on the default access restrictions wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions#Australia Now we can debate each line: ===Trunk=== Default. Ok? There are some trunk roads in Perth

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-06 Thread Liz
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Steve Bennett wrote: ===Footway== Now, bicycles aren't allowed on footpaths - ie, the path that runs along the side of the road. But they're generally allowed on most other paths, like into or through parks, around sports grounds etc. So I propose foot=designated

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: ===Cycleway=== I would say shared use paths vastly outnumber bike-only paths, so I propose bicycle=designated foot=designated. Horse...no? Paths that allow horses, like rail trails, aren't too rare, but can be catered

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:17 AM, James Andrewartha tr...@student.uwa.edu.auwrote: ===Bridleway=== I would have said we don't have these, except I think I found one on the outskirts of the eastern suburbs of Melbourne. With the tiny bit of traffic they must receive, I can't imagine that

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-06 Thread Stephen Hope
2010/1/7 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: ===Footway== Now, bicycles aren't allowed on *footpaths* - ie, the path that runs along the side of the road. But they're generally allowed on most other paths, like into or

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-06 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 10:49 +1000, Stephen Hope wrote: Why? Just because you happen to live in a state where that happens to be the case, doesn't mean I do. If I tagged a footpath, I would expect bikes ARE allowed by default, because they are here. Setting defaults for this is going to be

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-06 Thread John Henderson
David Murn wrote: Im fairly sure ACT law doesnt allow riding on footpaths, only designated bicycle paths. All footpaths are shared paths (foot and bicycle traffic) in the ACT. John ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-06 Thread Jim Croft
Nope. See this: http://www.netspeed.com.au/cr/bicycle/features/footpath.htm in particular: LEGISLATION Legal authority to enable cyclists to use all footpaths was provided in a 1974 amendment of the ACT Traffic Act 1937 (2), which stated that: A person shall not - ...drive, ride or wheel a

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-06 Thread Stephen Hope
2010/1/7 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 10:49 +1000, Stephen Hope wrote: From a quick skim of the wiki, it seems that 'bicycle=yes' means that bicycles are allowed on the way, where 'bicycle=designated' means the bike has right of way.  Bikes have right of way on

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: This was my basic understanding as well, which is why I get confused when I see people talking about marking paths with stuff like bicycle=designated and foot=designated. They can't both have right of way. Are you

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/7 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 10:49 +1000, Stephen Hope wrote: From a quick skim of the wiki, it seems that 'bicycle=yes' means that bicycles are allowed on the way, where