Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way - legal vs reality

2020-05-10 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 19:33, Mike Baggaley via Talk-GB wrote: > >Highway=no seems acceptable to me where a path is permanently physically > >blocked by a building or such-like. We're not serving anyone by directing > >people into wals. I do, however, disagree with its use to tag definitive >

Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way - legal vs reality

2020-05-05 Thread Mike Baggaley via Talk-GB
>Highway=no seems acceptable to me where a path is permanently physically >blocked by a building or such-like. We're not serving anyone by directing >people into wals. I do, however, disagree with its use to tag definitive >rights of way which are useable but which merely deviate from the route a

Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way - legal vs reality

2020-05-05 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 11:54, Adam Snape wrote: > I'd consider this particular proposed use of highway=no to mean "there is a > public highway here but there's no visible path on the ground" to be a > somewhat country-specific and counter-intuitive tagging practice. It's > certainly being

Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way - legal vs reality

2020-05-05 Thread Adam Snape
On Tue, 5 May 2020, 13:26 Martin Wynne, wrote: > Is a "public right of way" a highway? > > I suggest not. It's a legal construct, similar to a boundary line. > > Perhaps it should be mapped as a separate way, sometimes sharing nodes > with a physical highway, sometimes not. > In English/Welsh

Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way - legal vs reality

2020-05-05 Thread Martin Wynne
Is a "public right of way" a highway? I suggest not. It's a legal construct, similar to a boundary line. Perhaps it should be mapped as a separate way, sometimes sharing nodes with a physical highway, sometimes not. Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing

Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way - legal vs reality

2020-05-05 Thread Adam Snape
Hi, Highway=no seems acceptable to me where a path is permanently physically blocked by a building or such-like. We're not serving anyone by directing people into wals. I do, however, disagree with its use to tag definitive rights of way which are useable but which merely deviate from the route a

Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way - legal vs reality

2020-05-05 Thread Andy Townsend
On 05/05/2020 11:53, Adam Snape wrote: Hi Tom, I'd consider this particular proposed use of highway=no to mean "there is a public highway here but there's no visible path on the ground" to be a somewhat country-specific and counter-intuitive tagging practice. It's certainly being suggested

Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way - legal vs reality

2020-05-05 Thread Adam Snape
Hi Tom, I'd consider this particular proposed use of highway=no to mean "there is a public highway here but there's no visible path on the ground" to be a somewhat country-specific and counter-intuitive tagging practice. It's certainly being suggested here as a solution to a country-specific

Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way - legal vs reality

2020-05-05 Thread Tom Hukins
On Mon, May 04, 2020 at 11:08:16PM +0100, Adam Snape wrote: > Most data consumers won't be expecting this highly country-specific > tagging of highway=no Why do you consider "highway=no" country-specific? Taginfo suggests it's used across Europe and occasionally elsewhere:

[Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way - legal vs reality

2020-05-04 Thread Adam Snape
Hi, I'm a bit cautious about using highway=no for rights of way. I understand it where a definitive route is utterly impassible on the ground (eg. goes through a building) but elsewhere it seems to be suggested as a bit of a fudge to avoid having one right of way represented by two highways in

Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way - legal vs reality

2020-05-04 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 20:24, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > > On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 14:13, nathan case wrote: > > Thanks for your input Robert, the approach taken for routes not following > > the definitive line makes sense - though does this lead to two paths being > > rendered? Or

Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way - legal vs reality

2020-05-04 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 14:13, nathan case wrote: > Thanks for your input Robert, the approach taken for routes not following the > definitive line makes sense - though does this lead to two paths being > rendered? Or does highway=no prevent this? I will also add the fixme as Tony > suggests.

Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way - legal vs reality

2020-05-04 Thread Andy Townsend
On 04/05/2020 14:13, nathan case wrote: Thanks for your input Robert, the approach taken for routes not following the definitive line makes sense - though does this lead to two paths being rendered? Or does highway=no prevent this? I will also add the fixme as Tony suggests. It depends on

Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way - legal vs reality

2020-05-04 Thread nathan case
ct: Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way - legal vs reality As a general principle, I think we should certainly map both (a) any physical paths on the ground and (b) the legal Definitive Line (though not necessarily as a highway if it isn't one). These might be separate ways if the two line diffe

Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way - legal vs reality

2020-05-04 Thread Tony OSM
Hi Nathan I've done some work on Chorley PROW's recently. Populated using the style Chorley FP 1; Lancaster area uses the numbering convention in MapThePaths eg 1-1 23. Fortunately I know the area well having lived in the vicinity for 30 years so I can do armchair mapping with some knowledge.

Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way - legal vs reality

2020-05-04 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
As a general principle, I think we should certainly map both (a) any physical paths on the ground and (b) the legal Definitive Line (though not necessarily as a highway if it isn't one). These might be separate ways if the two line differ, though they'd normally be one and the same. It would also

[Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way - legal vs reality

2020-05-04 Thread nathan case
Hi all, I'm using the very helpful work Mapbox tiles (from Rob Nickerson's email on 11 Nov 2019) to map Lancashire's public rights of way (PROW) under the council's open data licence. Generally, any existing paths already marked on the map fit quite well with the vector files of the PROWs. So