Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Peter Miller
In addition to the above, ITO will shortly be releasing a number of additional views of the data together with a way of simply defining additional views. The rending will be reasonably basic compared to Mapnik, however the scripting will also be simple. We are going to start with some 'canned'

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Jerry Clough - OSM
Written last night, so some of this goes over ground already covered. At one stage someone was doing a canal waterway map, but I think those involved have other time commitments, like maintaining OSM editors and doing the default cartography. Nick Whitelegg has Freemap which is aimed at

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Tom Chance
Graham, Nice power map! Does it take account of the new, more powerful tagging schema? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dgenerator Also, you might like this: http://tomchance.dev.openstreetmap.org/kml/power_uk.kml You can pop it into Google Maps or Harry's KML viewer, though the

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Chris Moss wrote: Shouldn't maps allow you to concentrate on whatever you're interested in? Can someone please explain to me how or if this can be done with openstreetmap? It can certainly be done if you're prepared to put the effort in. Bear in mind that OSM isn't really an end user map

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Chris Saunter
Hi Chris, I've read through the replies to your post and my take on this is client side rendering - it's hard to make this as pretty or neat as bitmap tiles, but for random exploration of the dataset it's powerfull. Pre-generating tiles for every concievable view of the OSM dataset is not a very

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Chris Saunter wrote: 2) Browser based viewer using javascript - this could be a hybrid bitmap/vector renderer that annotates bitmap tiles FWIW Potlatch 2's renderer, Halcyon, is fully stylable (using MapCSS) and also exists as a stand-alone SWF applet that you can simply drop into any

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Jonathan Harley
On 18/01/11 11:02, Chris Saunter wrote: I have an iOS app that renders vector map data on the fly, to allow configurable rendering with selectable views (contours, waterways etc). Streaming data to the app is a bit of a problem, so it runs from an offline binary cache that is pre-optimised for

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Henry Gomersall
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 11:02 +, Chris Saunter wrote: Pre-generating tiles for every concievable view of the OSM dataset is not a very efficient way of dealing with different people wanting to view different geographic areas in different styles. Why can this not be done (to a reasonable

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Graham Jones
Tom, I'll have a look at how it works tonight - It is getting the power source from somewhere, but I don't remember parsing tags with colons in themMaybe there is an old schema that I used.I think I set it up by analysing the tags used in the databse rather than reading documentation -

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] wrote: Sent: 18 January 2011 11:09 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] invisible Chris Saunter wrote: 2) Browser based viewer using javascript - this could be a hybrid bitmap/vector renderer that annotates bitmap tiles FWIW

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Robinson wrote: Richard, have you got (or know of) an example of this which is up and running and accessible somewhere? There's an old old version at http://www.geowiki.com/halcyon/ . I'll try and put a new version up this weekend. cheers Richard

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Graham Jones
Henry, I think you are describing what my examples do - for example the map at http://maps.webhop.net/topo uses a simple base map and the OpenLayers javascript program running in the web browser draws the selectable overlays on top of it - the overlays are PNG images with a transparent background.

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Chris Saunter
Hi Folks, Using transparent overlays is easy - you do not need to do any real time processing - just get an image from a server and dispaly it.   Going for something cleverer like vector rendering needs a database to give you the correct data, then the javascript in the web browser needs to

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Henry Gomersall
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 13:00 +, Graham Jones wrote: I think you are describing what my examples do - for example the map at http://maps.webhop.net/topo uses a simple base map and the OpenLayers javascript program running in the web browser draws the selectable overlays on top of it - the

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Chris Moss
Many thanks to everyone who's replied. I have a page full of notes from all your suggestions. The amount that is going on is very impressive. Richard's point that OSM is a data project rather than an end user map website puzzles me. I can understand that in server terms there are huge

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Chris Moss wrote: Richard's point that OSM is a data project rather than an end user map website puzzles me. I can understand that in server terms there are huge demands but isn't one of the ways of coping with that by being selective about the data that's given out. We're a data

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Nick Whitelegg
I think that a static (periodically refreshed) 'binary tile' architecture where the OSM DB is boiled down into tiles designed for the single purpose of being rendered quickly is the way to go. Ideally a map viewer can then call upon both the standard bitmap tiles and the vector tiles and combine

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Jason Cunningham
I've also got an interest in waterways and found it was possible to make them leap out using OSM Inspector in the Geofabrik Tools website http://tools.geofabrik.de/ This is the link I use to view water in South London

Re: [Talk-GB] invisible

2011-01-18 Thread Graham Jones
Hi Folks, To reply to the original question, I have had a *very* quick go at rendering an overlay showing canal infrastructure over the standard OSM map rendering. The higher zoom level tiles are still generating, but most of it is at http://maps.webhop.net/canals. It is running on my home server,