On 01/08/2014 11:17, Stuart Reynolds wrote:
OK. Clearly I'm going to have to think on this for a bit longer. I
think looking at somewhere like Swanley is a good idea, and also at
somewhere like Derbyshire if the stops data hasn't been imported there.
If you want to test a merge/import in
Just to remind folk, the West Mids volunteered as a pilot area for the
original NapTAN import. We asked that the nodes were NOT tagged as
highway=bus-stop as we wanted to survey them before they got rendered. We
still haven't got round them all! And given the accuracy we're glad we
asked for the
I downloaded latest naptan data the other day and used qgis to filter
stops.csv to just those in Tendring, or on roads that run along the border,
to give me something more manageable to look at. 995 stops before any other
filtering. I've not finished verifying imported stops after an initial
burst
On 01/08/14 01:36, Will Phillips wrote:
I do not believe the stop areas should have been imported at all because
they are not verifiable on the ground. Also, I am often unable to find
much logic in the groupings other than the stops are relatively close
together, so I don't think they are
In Belgium Jo Simoens has done similar things for the public transport
import of De Lijn (Flanders) and Tec (Wallonia).
He has python scripts to compare OSM data via an external reference of De
Lijn to updates in a Postgis DB.
He also has scripts to compute the most likely route between bus
into that for now!
Although I would like to, eventually!
Stuart
From: Marc Gemis [mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com]
Sent: 01 August 2014 9:12 AM
To: Lester Caine
Cc: Talk GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import
In Belgium Jo Simoens has done similar things for the public transport import
of De Lijn (Flanders
On 1 August 2014 11:17, Stuart Reynolds stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk
wrote:
In terms of bus routes, we also compute the most likely route between
stops, and could use that to update the services on each link. But that is
a whole different ball game - we have to make sure our data is good
:51 PM
To: Stuart Reynolds
Cc: Talk GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import
On 1 August 2014 11:17, Stuart Reynolds
stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.ukmailto:stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk
wrote:
In terms of bus routes, we also compute the most likely route between stops,
and could use
path along a back street
rather than down the main road.
Cheers
Stuart
*From:* Oliver Jowett [mailto:oliver.jow...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 01 August 2014 1:51 PM
*To:* Stuart Reynolds
*Cc:* Talk GB
*Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import
On 1 August 2014 11:17, Stuart Reynolds stu
Reynolds
Cc: Talk GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import
On 1 August 2014 11:17, Stuart Reynolds stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk
wrote:
In terms of bus routes, we also compute the most likely route between stops,
and could use that to update the services on each
PM
To: Oliver Jowett
Cc: Stuart Reynolds; Talk GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import
I see it as being better to put the right hints into the OSM data and the
routing algorithm so that they can be automatically chosen from the TNDS data,
rather than having the data in OSM, which is hard
On 01/08/14 16:37, Stuart Reynolds wrote:
I haven’t looked at the service tags in any detail, so what I’m about to
say may well be there already. But if we want to represent the
complexity then we either have to capture the individual departures at a
stop or, more likely, try and represent the
*From:* Shaun McDonald [mailto:sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk]
*Sent:* 01 August 2014 3:57 PM
*To:* Oliver Jowett
*Cc:* Stuart Reynolds; Talk GB
*Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import
I see it as being better to put the right hints into the OSM data and the
routing algorithm so
Just a few of my thoughts:
1. Bus routes
Stuart wrote:
I will need to think what to do when a bus turns off halfway along a road
that is mapped as one line
Here in Coventry we have all the bus routes mapped in OSM (splitting the
road as necessary). Check out the render on the Transport layer:
On 01/08/14 18:32, Richard Mann wrote:
I created almost all the route relations from scratch (which was painful,
but would probably have been easier if Id used the german editor). Anyway,
it basically only has to be done once, and needs human review, so Id
probably recommend doing them by
Hi,
This is a spin off from the recent thread about imports, because I wanted to
specifically talk about NaPTAN imports.
Having briefly scanned the various wiki pages, I get the impression that the
NaPTAN data was imported, once, in 2009. What I can't see, or haven't found, is
any discussion
Andy
From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net]
Sent: 31 July 2014 15:48
To: Stuart Reynolds; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import
The NaPTAN data was imported for Hull and East Yorkshire at my request. I
quickly realised that the data was of variable
Hi,
I would not wish to see a mass import in my area, but I could see some
merit in comparing data 'line by line'. I can remember that in the early
days (2009?) there were bus stops on the data at the time that NaPTAN
was imported. Some were sensibly merged, but some were deleted before
the
Many thanks - some interesting viewpoints there.
I think it is safe to say that things will have improved from 2009, but also
fair to admit that some data is not structured in the way that even I would
like. Yorkshire is a particular problem for us. The good thing though is that
NaPTAN is
Stuart,
If you would like to start in Swanley, that would be fine with me. I
don't know about my neighbouring mappers, but I certainly use tools to
check what edits are taking place in areas I have an interest. I
strongly suggest you keep the area small, and use my area as a guinea
pig,
On 31/07/14 17:41, Stuart Reynolds wrote:
Many thanks - some interesting viewpoints there.
I think it is safe to say that things will have improved from 2009,
but also fair to admit that some data is not structured in the way
that even I would like. Yorkshire is a particular problem for us.
On 31/07/14 18:31, Chris Hill wrote:
I'd be particularly interested if any council has used the improved OSM
data to bring their feed into NaPTAN up to scratch, and if not why not?
As the naptan data has a nice unique identifier then it should be
possible to do a clean compare of what is on OSM
Probably not a convenient area for you, but I added bus stops in the
Glasgow area from NAPTAN data a few years back, manually merging in
with existing data and surveying those where it wasn't clear (and
flagging a few cases that I didn't get a chance to survey). However it
took quite a bit longer
On 31/07/14 17:01, Nick Allen wrote:
actual stop was. As a result of this, it is quite possible that there
are stops shown in the right place with the correct tags concerning
shelters, benches, tactile paving, name of stop, timetables or bus route
references displayed, etc, but added to a
I have recently resurveyed all the bus stops in the centre of Nottingham
(NG1 area) and quite a few changes have occurred since the NaPTAN
import: most often changes to stop names but some more complicated
changes to stop layouts too.
I think the quality of the NaPTAN data must vary quite a
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