Re: [time-nuts] Best reason

2012-03-29 Thread Sanjeev Gupta
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 08:43, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: I think of GPS as a bunch of satellites broadcasting I'm Bob, my orbit parameters are XXX, my clock says YYY. If you hear 4 of those, you have 4 equations to work out 4 unknowns. The unknowns are your position: X, Y,

Re: [time-nuts] CW12-TIM vs M12M and the world

2012-03-29 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Thomas, The sawtooth error on the Motorola M12+ is about +/- 25ns, while the CW12-TIM has a sawtooth error of +/- 2 ns, so correcting for the sawtooth error is not as critical with the CW12-TIM. The first claim The sawtooth error on the Motorola M12+ is about +/- 25ns is correct but are

Re: [time-nuts] CW12-TIM vs M12M and the world

2012-03-29 Thread Hal Murray
The sawtooth error on the Motorola M12+ is about +/- 25ns, while the CW12-TIM has a sawtooth error of +/- 2 ns, so correcting for the sawtooth error is not as critical with the CW12-TIM. The first claim The sawtooth error on the Motorola M12+ is about +/- 25ns is correct but are you

Re: [time-nuts] Best reason

2012-03-29 Thread David C. Partridge
I'm currently have to convince management that our 6-1/2 DMM (0.01% uncertainty) can't be used to test the 0.1ppm DC Source that we're repairing. Don't bother, just send it to me (once you've fixed it natch) :) On a more serious note what it this DC source that can manage 0.1ppm - the only

Re: [time-nuts] Best reason

2012-03-29 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, and moreover: what kind of test can be done on that DC source if no DMM is able to show that accuracy? On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 9:53 AM, David C. Partridge david.partri...@perdrix.co.uk wrote: I'm currently have to convince management that our 6-1/2 DMM (0.01% uncertainty) can't be used

Re: [time-nuts] CW12-TIM vs M12M and the world

2012-03-29 Thread Azelio Boriani
We (that is my company) use the CW12-TIM (NMEA version) and its PPS wonders as usual, nothing different from a uBlox LEA-5T or the M12M. On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: The sawtooth error on the Motorola M12+ is about +/- 25ns, while the CW12-TIM

Re: [time-nuts] CW12-TIM vs M12M and the world

2012-03-29 Thread Tom Knox
I just posted what I was sent for the manufacturer, warts and all. I did notice they were comparing to the M12+ or M12. I hope the specs are correct. I purchased one and will pass on measurement when I get a chance to test it. Thomas Knox To: time-nuts@febo.com From:

Re: [time-nuts] CW12-TIM vs M12M and the world

2012-03-29 Thread paul swed
OK been only slightly paying attention. But I see in the US several sellers for a operational board at $84-89. Maybe I have the wrong unit but it does say 5ns or less timing error Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Ed Palmer ed_pal...@sasktel.net wrote: On 3/29/2012 12:54 AM,

Re: [time-nuts] CW12-TIM vs M12M and the world

2012-03-29 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, it is: the CW12 has the PPS derived from the 100MHz clock and that's why you have that PPS granularity with no need for a sawtooth correction. On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:18 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: OK been only slightly paying attention. But I see in the US several sellers

Re: [time-nuts] Yahoo group not receiving emal

2012-03-29 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:26:55 -0700 (PDT) CORNACCHIA salc...@rogers.com wrote: I have been a member of the group for a long time yahoo is not sending email. Thank You If you are using yahoo as your webmail, change! quickly! As someone who has been administrating quite a few mailinglists for

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsar Source?

2012-03-29 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:20:49 -0700 Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: All that is of course correct. But ultimately the pulsars are a better source, I see it as an application question, could it be utilized? Perhaps building an algorithm and basing corrections on multiple pulsars

Re: [time-nuts] SimpleLink CC44000 GPS Development Kit

2012-03-29 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
From http://www.ti.com/tool/cc4000gpsem GNS TC6000GN module and EM board   At the GNS site I was able to get a TC6000GN-P1 data sheet and design guide.   Bob LaJeunesse From: Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch To: armstr...@sedsystems.ca; Discussion of precise time

Re: [time-nuts] Yahoo group not receiving emal

2012-03-29 Thread shalimr9
I agree and it is unfortunate, because of all the email accounts I have (and that's quite a few), I like their web mail client the best. Didier KO4BB Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless thingy while I do other things... -Original Message- From: Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch Sender:

Re: [time-nuts] Yahoo group not receiving emal

2012-03-29 Thread Mark Spencer
Interesting. I use yahoo mail to receive email from this list and as far as I am aware I have not had any issues. (Ie. in following threaded conversations it's never been apparent to me that I have missed any of the messages.) ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsar Source?

2012-03-29 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 03/29/2012 01:50 AM, Jim Palfreyman wrote: Folks, I'm currently writing my thesis on pulsars, but I need to spend time on it rather than here. :-) But since a lot of this discussion is right at the front of my brain, here's a summary. Some pulsars glitch or speed up. The Vela pulsar (PSR

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsar Source?

2012-03-29 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/29/12 3:17 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: just so we can re-transmit it, is probably not sensible. However, studies of these remarkable pulsars is ongoing. Hmm, wouldn't the space-located antenna have a good chance of better S/N as the antenna sees cold space and could be kept cold itself?

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsar Source?

2012-03-29 Thread Tom Knox
I thought I might apologize because I didn't explain my idea very well initially, and reiterate my original thoughts on a pulsar timing idea. The basis of my idea was that if problems could be overcome certain pulsars could provide not only Time but also Position info directly to orbiting

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsar Source?

2012-03-29 Thread jim s
On 3/28/2012 4:50 PM, Jim Palfreyman wrote: Folks, I'm currently writing my thesis on pulsars, but I need to spend time on it rather than here I'd love to hear more about your thesis (offline question most likely). I thought I'd add in the detail that I found on another site about one

Re: [time-nuts] Best reason

2012-03-29 Thread Tom Knox
When I subscribed to Time Nuts several years ago I felt a little self-concise and purchased a Citizen WWV watch and in all seriousness it has run flawlessly. But I quickly learned that to really fit in I would need a tourbillon movement watch or the TVB mondo wrist watch demonstrated by a

Re: [time-nuts] FE5680A x-rays

2012-03-29 Thread paul swed
That is a great job. Just looking at the TIFFs. Motivates me to get the better viewers mentioned in the thread. Funny thing. I always though having an xray like this would be quite a help. It reveals the jobs just that much harder. But still fantastic. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsar Source?

2012-03-29 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/29/12 6:19 PM, Tom Knox wrote: I thought I might apologize because I didn't explain my idea very well initially, and reiterate my original thoughts on a pulsar timing idea. The basis of my idea was that if problems could be overcome certain pulsars could provide not only Time but also

Re: [time-nuts] Yahoo group not receiving emal

2012-03-29 Thread Mike S
On 3/29/2012 3:16 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: If you are using yahoo as your webmail, change! quickly! They're not called yahoos for nothing. But, Microsoft and Google aren't far behind in Internet cluelessness. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yahoo

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsar Source?

2012-03-29 Thread J. Forster
Jim, If you look at some atomic clocks, they really do look like they were built in somebody's basement... out of WW II RADAR parts and Home Depot plumbing fittings. -John On 3/29/12 6:19 PM, Tom Knox wrote: I thought I might apologize because I didn't explain my idea very

[time-nuts] Yahoo group not receiving emal

2012-03-29 Thread Burt I. Weiner
ATT is my Internet provider. ATT does not provide e-mail even though they have .att, sbcglobal.com (or whatever). When you subscribe to ATT e-mail you wind up with Yahoo as the actual e-mail provider along with the Yahoo e-mail servers. I do not like Yahoo and I will agree with Attia's

Re: [time-nuts] SimpleLink CC44000 GPS Development Kit

2012-03-29 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Robert LaJeunesse rlajeune...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From http://www.ti.com/tool/cc4000gpsem GNS TC6000GN module and EM board   At the GNS site I was able to get a TC6000GN-P1 data sheet and design guide. Yes, i found the TC6000GN-P1 datasheet from GNS