[TruthTalk] 'God's Politics' Why the Right Gets It Wrong and the Left Doesn't Get It - Jim Wallis

2005-11-25 Thread Lance Muir
"The Left mocks the Right. The Right knows its right. Two ugly traits. How far should we go to try to understand each other's point of view? Maybe the distance grace covered on the cross is a clue." Bono, lead singer of U2

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Thanks for the Illustration in the foolishness of trusting the critics to ever settle the matter. Let the greek scholars argue amongst themselves over trivial matters while we go on our way loving our King and obeying the revelation He has already given to the those before and now us. While we

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Judy I think we are being called ignorant by Miller,Bill.and others will add their remarks to show their superiority. Yet for a week now they could no come to any conclusion on the meaning of one word in the Bible-Yet us ignorant people gave the meaning of the present and future tense of the

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Terry Clifton
Neither myth or absurd, but the normal reaction of one who lives to please Christ. Many people hear the word. Fewer believe it. Fewer still live it. Very few are marinated in it until it is a part of who they are. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: myth (absurd) On Thu, 24 Nov 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] 'God's Politics' Why the Right Gets It Wrong and the Left Doesn't Get It - Jim Wallis

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Thanks Lance now we know your car is blue!What an example of the Man of God, Filth mouthed Bono?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "The Left mocks the Right. The Right knows its right. Two ugly traits. How far should we go to try to understand each other's point of view? Maybe the

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Lance Muir
I have every confidence that neither David Miller nor Bill Taylor thought the two of you 'ignorant'. Their character (read sanctification) wouldn't permit such a thought.However, after reading this...welln, they still wouldn't! - Original Message - From: Dean

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
God gave the Word he gave us the Holy Spirit and as Dean points out some were able to GET IT, right out of the gate! When are the rest going to getIN the race?Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd: Judy I think we are being called ignorant by Miller,Bill.and others will add their remarks to

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread Dean Moore
cd: You are speaking to the wife of another man-try that with mine and I will be on your door step in a couple of days-go ahead and ask her she will be reading your next response! - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/24/2005 11:30:35 PM Subject:

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread Lance Muir
Ah and, we wonder over violence in society! Thanks for the illustration, Dean. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 25, 2005 08:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? cd: You

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Terry Clifton
Dean Moore wrote: cd: Judy I think we are being called ignorant by Miller,Bill.and others will add their remarks to show their superiority. Yet for a week now they could no come to any conclusion on the meaning of one word in the Bible-Yet us ignorant people gave the meaning of the

[TruthTalk] Summation - God wants us to be righteous

2005-11-25 Thread Peter Krostag
There is a lot of discussion about being perfect. Would it be better said if we said that we are righteous? Isnt being perfect, a state of being righteous in the eyes of God? If God called me righteous, I certainly would believe I was perfect because I was perfected my God HIMSELF! I am

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/25/2005 8:31:48 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? Ah and, we wonder over violence in society! Thanks for the illustration, Dean. cd; There are some things that one

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread Lance Muir
I DO BELIEVE that I could get an Amen from almost everyone on TT when I say that Dave Hansen's meaning has been misunderstood by you, Dean. What you've don is called eisegesis) - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/25/2005 9:08:06 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? I DO BELIEVE that I could get an Amen from almost everyone on TT when I say that Dave Hansen's meaning has been

RE: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
Amazing those that argue against JD, always just end up proving his point in his OWN mind. J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 6:58 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

RE: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

2005-11-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
Me, too! I even miss Jonathan when hes not having one of his crabby days. J iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 5:15 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

RE: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
Amen, Dean. If only the scribes and Pharisees can understand God's Word and we must depend upon their interpretations we are in big trouble. Fortunately this is not the case. iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Moore Sent: Thursday,

RE: [TruthTalk] Results of Questionere

2005-11-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
Thanks for the lesson Dean. I guess that makes me Armenian all the way if thats the definition. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Moore Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 9:43 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Results

RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
Before we have a brawl let me apologize for setting up this whole debacle by inquiring about DaveHs underwear requirements under Mormonism. To settle any risqu questions in your minds, I must admit I do not wear any Super-Powers Undies to bedjust your typical granny gown and socks. J iz

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
We all pretty much know what this word means --generally speaking, it is a setting apart as a result of an increased holiness. Because of a multitude of passges expressing the thought that we remain tied to our old man, Eph4:20-24, that we continue to harbor or possess sin I Jo 1:8, that none is

RE: [TruthTalk] Results of Questionere

2005-11-25 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/25/2005 9:57:35 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Results of Questionere Thanks for the lesson Dean. I guess that makes me Armenian all the way if thatÂ’s the definition. iz cd: Yes-You had me worried on

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
You misrepresent the B side of the room. The final authority is what God wants me to see as I read a given text . not what a translator wants me to believe. You want to toss the MSS and trust a given man-made edition of the bible without personalverification -- be my guest.

[TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore

2005-11-25 Thread Lance Muir
Obviously spoken by someone who has never read the man. Not one who has ever read 'The Insitute' would ever say such as this! Borrow the 2 volume set, Dean. Prayerfully, give it a few hours. You may thereafter wish to apologize.

RE: [TruthTalk] Thanksgiving Proclamation

2005-11-25 Thread Charles Perry Locke
The First Thanksgiving Proclamation (June 20, 1676) On June 20, 1676, the governing council of Charlestown, Massachusetts, held a meeting to determine how best to express thanks for the good fortune that had seen their community securely established. By unamimous vote they instructed Edward

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
:-)-Original Message-From: Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:33:03 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor I am thinking about what you said in regards to Rush. There's little doubt about whom Judy considers the "idiot" in our

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
DM has introduced the possiblity that I am "just plain stupid." And Kevin has used the word "fool" many times. I didn't bother reading your second paragraph. jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri,

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Judy Taylor
How sad JD that you so completely identify with sin when Jesus died so that we could separate ourselves from sin and choose toidentify and walk in the gift ofHis righteousness. Thisseparationis known as "sanctification" Under the Old Covenant theydid it ritually as Moses regularly called

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/25/2005 10:15:36 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor You misrepresent the B side of the room. The final authority is what God wants me to see as I read a given text . not what a

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Judy Taylor
Why didn't you read the second paragraph JD? Because it's not about you ...? On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:34:16 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DM has introduced the possiblity that I am "just plain stupid." And Kevin has used the word "fool" many times. I didn't bother reading your

RE: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
This explains Everything. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 11:39 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor Eh? Got relatives in Canada eh? -

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/25/2005 10:01:46 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor We all pretty much know what this word means --generally speaking, it is a setting apart as a result of an increased holiness. Because of a

[TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Lance, While I am sure Dave is joking, there are some who do not take kindly to that type of joking. Dean is right in what Dave jokingly has proposed, but there are some things that should not be joked about, and Dean is right to take offense...Dave has gone over the line, Dean has been

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
Hey tough guy, it was Linda Shieldswho open the door to this thread -- not DH. -Original Message-From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:01:31 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? - Original

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
Judy, My identification is with the Lord. He is my righteousness. It is his faith to which I am attached.Judgments to the contrary are made out of ignorance, not fact. -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent:

RE: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore

2005-11-25 Thread Dean Moore
cd: I had the set-I see a lost man trying to understand the bible what part did you like? Calvin used Luke 14:23 as an excuse to put believers to death.Then the master said to the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges,and compel to come in,that my house may be filled. - Original

Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore

2005-11-25 Thread Judy Taylor
Cd: 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:24:02 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously spoken by someone who has never read the man. Not one who has ever read 'The Insitute' would ever say such as this! Borrow

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
It is not child like faith that disgards the MSS and preaches dependence on a single man-made translation, it is childishness. :-)-Original Message-From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:40:12 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John, Izzy opened the door, and has realized that and apologized for it (maybe you missed that post). It was DH that walked through that door and took it to the gutter. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore

2005-11-25 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Wow what did I do to deserve such a sister in Chist-O I know I believed in the son and because of that I lost my sisters-now I have a better one. Thank you Judy. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent:

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Judy Taylor
Then childishness has taken a lot of ppl to heaven and blessed generations for more than 400yrs. It wasn't a single man JD, it was 46 different teams that were sanctified or set apart and worked prayerfully together - so why such vehement opposition from your corner? On Fri, 25 Nov 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
Perry -- was it not LindaShields who asked about the sexual practices of the Mormons? I think this was in reference to the Mormon underwear thing. I did not read the thread that carefullybecause I thought it vulgar on herpart. And now we have Dean pretending that he is tough enough to kick

Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
Paul did much the same thing. -Original Message-From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:54:50 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore cd: I had the set-I see a lost man trying

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/25/2005 11:01:40 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor It is not child like faith that disgards the MSS and preaches dependence on a single man-made translation, it is childishness. :-) cd: Yet it

Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread Judy Taylor
Just in case you care JD These six things the Lord hates, yes seven are an abomination to Him: 1. A proud look 2. A lying tongue 3. Hands that shed innocent blood 4. A heart that devises wicked plans 5. Feet that are swift in running to evil 6. A false witness who speaks lies 7. One who

Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore

2005-11-25 Thread Judy Taylor
What? Did Paul burn no telling how many men and 37 women at the stake for what in his opinion was heresy? On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:17:55 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul did much the same thing. -Original Message-From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread Judy Taylor
7. One who sows discord among brethren On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:31:30 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Her posted apology was not in existence when you and I wrote our individual comments.The conversation was out of place, but DH is certainly no more at fault than Linda. He went no

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
Judy, I spoke of a single edition, not a single-man made edition. I don't care how many translatedit, and neither do you. the KJV is a production of the will and purpose of mankind. It is a man-made translation. But throw out the MSS. That is certainly your preference. -Original

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread Lance Muir
IMO, he most certainly did not I suggest that you, CPL, keep the rest of this betwixt thou and him as you are becoming...welllike I said, 'private'. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 25, 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore

2005-11-25 Thread Lance Muir
AND I DARESAY Judy, that your invective-filled language on TT would equal or surpass that of John Calvin WITHOUT QUESTION!! (In all candor so would mine, Kevin's, Dean's, John's, and Linda's). The 'unnamed' regularly display a model of 'engagement' that we all might aspire to. -

Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John, Yes, and Izzy apologized for that. Has Dave? Dave could have answered a simple yes or no, but he chose to take it to the gutter by perpetuating the question, even to the point suggesting that I might know something of the topic. As for Dean, I totally understand his disgust and

Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore

2005-11-25 Thread Judy Taylor
What "invective" filled language Lance? Examples please On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:36:37 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AND I DARESAY Judy, that your invective-filled language on TT would equal or surpass that of John Calvin WITHOUT QUESTION!! (In all candor so would

RE: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
I vote to give DaveH a pass on this one. I've beaten up on him enough, even for a mormon. :-) iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 10:45 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore

2005-11-25 Thread Lance Muir
I've always thought you unaware of the hurt (read 'invective-filled language) you do to others through your speach, Judy. I stand by that. However, this doesn't mean you don't do it. It just means that you don't know you're doing it, IMO. - Original Message - From: Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/25/2005 11:31:30 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? Her posted apology was not in existence when you and I wrote our individual comments.The conversation was out of place, but DH is

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
I have never said this:You have said-There is no difference between the saved and the lost regarding sin.-Original Message-From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:19:17 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor -

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/25/2005 12:01:41 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor I have never said this:You have said-There is no difference between the saved and the lost regarding sin. cd: You said "both are sinners"-that is

Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore

2005-11-25 Thread Judy Taylor
Oh the ignorance of those who don't see things the way you do again Lance along with the fact that you are unable or unwilling to produce an example of invective filled language coming from me. Let's see "INVECTIVE" Noah Webster 1828 - Invective Noun A railing speech or _expression_;

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
I think that Linda did not take the same level of offense to this as you. Unlike Perry -- I do not understand your outrage. Linda is not your wife. I see this only as an opportunity for tough guy Deano getting a chance to "righteously" express his old nature. If you want to ignore the fact thatDH

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
Not at all. Both are sinners. But there is a big difference between the two. jd-Original Message-From: Dean Moore cd_moore@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:04:59 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor - Original Message -

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread Judy Taylor
7. One who sows discord among brethren On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:19:32 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think that Linda did not take the same level of offense to this as you. Unlike Perry -- I do not understand your outrage. Linda is not your wife. I see this only as an

Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
By the way, hats off to Linda for her gracious apology. John

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
I'm ignoring you, can't you tell? jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:23:17 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? 7. One who sows discord among

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread Judy Taylor
No JD, what you are ignoring is the Word of the Lord - just a gentle reminder. On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:28:03 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm ignoring you, can't you tell? jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7. One who sows discord among brethren On Fri, 25 Nov

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
Do you see that you argue for not knowing while using a example you believe illustrates that you do, in fact, know? If we do not know, the correct answer to your final question would be "yes, I could make that argument." But, back to the 10:14 question -- I do not think it fair to illustrate

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread David Miller
I introduced the ABSURD possibility that you were being "just plain stupid" in a particular conclusion. The point being that the OTHER possibility mentioned was the most likely one to be true.Context is important, but if you want to rip it out of context and twist it to your own destruction,

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
:-)-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:36:17 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor I introduced the ABSURD possibility that you were being "just plain stupid" in a particular conclusion. The point

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Lance why are you always so worried about what others think about you?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have every confidence that neither David Miller nor Bill Taylor thought the two of you 'ignorant'. Their character (read sanctification) wouldn't permit such a thought.However, after

RE: [TruthTalk] Religion in America

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Coming soon to a Facility near you Muslim Prayer rooms!Mission Accomplished: Giant's Stadium, Continental Airlines Arena To Set Aside Muslim Prayer Area "First Islamic Pray-Ground" of New Jersey http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/home.htmPro-Football Game Erupts During Muslim Prayer

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Try it with me I will give you MORE than an Illustration!I bet an efFEMminate 'Jesus' would not care if a man spoke to Lances wife inapropriatelyLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah and, we wonder over violence in society! Thanks for the illustration, Dean.- Original

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Do you let men speak to your wife in such a way Lance?Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/25/2005 8:31:48 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? Ah and, we

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread David Miller
John wrote: Do you see that you argue for not knowing while using a example you believe illustrates that you do, in fact, know? I do in fact know. My argument is not that I don't know or that none of us know, but rather that based upon what is written in that one verse, we don't know. My

RE: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
The bible declares Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.Jesus was our ultimate example.When certain men came to him to questionDeut 25:5,6: Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should

Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore

2005-11-25 Thread David Miller
Dean wrote: I had the set ... You HAD the set? Do you still have it? Did you ever read the entire work? Dean wrote concerning Calvin: ... I see a lost man trying to understand the bible what part did you like? What about most of it? Very little of it involves burning heretics at the

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
More Barfh The final authority is what God wants me to see as I read a given text This is not the belief as most christians who simply believe obeythe word of God it is Barthian in as much as he has a "Personal Encouter" with the text. The Bible is only God's Word to the extent that God

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
We know you don't read most of the posts, it is obvious. On top of it all you have a vivid imagination to say the least.The Bible uses the word Fool Liar too.I do not think idiot is in there though.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:DM has introduced the possiblity that I am "just plain

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
See John in green. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/23/2005 11:30:49 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD -Original Message-From: Dean Moore cd_moore@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 23 Nov

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
How sad JD that you so completely identify with sin The problem is without the POWER of God in our lives it is impossible. To as many as recieved him to them gave he power to become the sons of God.Will power, new years resolutions, turning over a new leaf, reformationwon't do it. Only by

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
Will power, new years resolutions, turning over a new leaf, reformationwon't do it. Only by Repentance the Power of a resurrected life can we overcome the Old man. Right JD? Absolutely. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 25

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Chapter verse?Or so say you? That settles it then!Hey if it is good enuff for JD, then its gotta be good enuff for you![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:It is not child like faith that disgards the MSS and preaches dependence on a single man-made translation, it is childishness.

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
I am supposed to be at the shop. But the Texas game istoo big a temptation. This is a good post and I want to continue the thread up until the time we start in on each other :-) And I am praying for your ability to take advantage of the doors that seem to be opening for you at the

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
So where is your chapter and versepushing the KJV onto everyone and tossing the greek MSS out the window. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:40:46 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor Chapter

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
man-made translationWhat a great illustration of FAITH versus Doubt!Believers see through the eyes of FAITH.Unbelievers and Modernists see through the natural, w/o faith. Besides if we can not come to agreement on what it really says, whether it is perfect, or even if we know where it

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
so why such vehement opposition from your corner?Critical naturalism modernism from which NATURALLY flow Infidelity Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then childishness has taken a lot of ppl to heaven and blessed generations for more than 400yrs. It wasn't a single man JD, it was 46

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Just think for all those years the church did not have the word of God just a Single Man-Made translation. UNTIL (1881)God found himself TWO RCC Heretics named Westcott Hort to RESTORE the Original intent text! Sort of like a Christianized verison of the JO Smith story![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
Besides nobody "DISGARDS" anything! You got to be kidding !! You and Judy are the most anti-theologicans I have ever seen. Male and female created He them. jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:52:35 -0800

Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Well you knowDon't you?.. Wada you some kinda IDIOT or sumpin?Lance is so crooked he cant see a theif and he continualy leaves out his leaders name. Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What "invective" filled language Lance? Examples pleaseOn Fri, 25 Nov

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
cd: You said "both are sinners"-that is saying there is no difference.It depends of what the definition of "are" is!Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/25/2005 12:01:41 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread knpraise
I do not know why you go off on such a tangent? You are the one who believes this if you believe that the KJV translation "is the only one for me," What was used for English speaking folk beforethe KJV? Which edition of the received text IS the correct one and why did it take a Dutch Catholic so

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Chapter 30 Verse 5 Book Proverbs Every word of God is purePS 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.I do not toss the greek out, just the

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
FAITH versus DOUBT that is what it is all about. Even if you ignore the scriptures the meat of the post. It still speaks volumes.You take no issue with the claim that you Doubt, for obvious reasons. No need to DO what God says since you can't find the original intent yet. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
What was used for English speaking folk beforethe KJV?DUH!1384 - John Wycliffe translates the whole Bible into English for the first time in history. The "Church" repays him by condemning him as a heritic. 1536 - William Tyndale burned as a heritic for his Bible translation work - the

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
As we see again you are ALL about DOUBT! "yea hath God said"? ?Where is The Infalible Word of God today JD? Does not exist according to JD.Perhaps you think by asking questions that would take a large amount of documentation, you will accomplish one of two tasks? 1) I will be

[TruthTalk] DaveH's Reply to the Controversy

2005-11-25 Thread Dave
And I apologize to all, especially to DaveH for provoking him. DAVEH: Thank you for your apology, Izzy.But, as I'm sure you already know.it is not necessary to apologize to me. (Though the thought and consideration is most appreciated.) I had taken absolutely no offense at all in

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
The one with all those other books in it, or the Protestant version?If this is your measure for truth, the go ahead throw out your new versions because they are the ones that come forth out of the Corrupt MSS that contained the Apocrypha! The KJV Greek TEXTUS RECEPTUSdoes NOT contain the

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
NIV has 64,098 less words than the KJV, anything important? "That which for nearly 1500 years was imposed on Christiandom as a book, of which every word was written under the direct supervision of the Holy Ghost: of which not one sylable nor a coma could be changed without sacrilege, is now

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Where was God's word before 1611? How about; Wyclif's Bible 1384Tyndale 1535Coverdale's Bible 1535Great Bible Geneva Bible Bishops' Bible How About - Older versions:Syrian Peshetto of 157 AD Arabic, Persian, and Armenian versions Old Latin version 150 AD Other old Translations carried around

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
why did it take a Dutch Catholic so long to get it right?The Textual Critics still do not get it, we are up to the 27th CORRECTED edition aren't we? But that does not bother you does it? The KJV bothers you you must replace it with another text, then you can have a New Version to go with your

RE: [TruthTalk] DaveH's Reply to the Controversy

2005-11-25 Thread Charles Perry Locke
A totally arrogant and insensitive reply, in my opinion. From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] DaveH's Reply to the Controversy Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:52:53 -0800 *And I apologize to all, especially to DaveH

RE: [TruthTalk] DaveH's Reply to the Controversy

2005-11-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Why? Jjust because it is really the Street Preachers fault? Maybe DH was angry. Of course he equates SP in front of the Temple as Obnoxius etc blah blah blah. But he WILL not list just what exactly is so OBNOXIOUS about it. anyway SP 's at the Temple have nothing to do with his off color Humor

[TruthTalk] Charles Perry Lock says 'A totally arrogant and insensitive reply, IMO' of Dave Hansen

2005-11-25 Thread Lance Muir
I have a sense of DaveH that he ain't got it in 'em but, should anyone's door need showin' up at ...well...it's pretty obvious to me who they'd be. He's been spoken to and aboutwith ill intent pretty much daily. As Tom Snyder used to say of people who behave like you guys have..'go to a

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