RE: [TruthTalk] HELP!! Gary

2003-11-24 Thread Carrolll Moore
Gary could you make you lettering Larger-it would help on the straining of the eyes. I promise not to accuse you of shouting. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If

Re: [TruthTalk] Did Lot preach to Sodom?

2003-11-24 Thread ttxpress
http://www.freegift.net/ || On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:46:09 -0500 "Carrolll Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: even talk like yer wearin' an FG t-shirt ,Dean, and look what transpires.. Dean writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Adding my buck and a quarter

2003-11-24 Thread Arsene Lupin
Laura: So what are your beliefs concerning forgiveness? TPW: That we will only forgive when it will be worth it to forget it after. TPW _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online

Re: [TruthTalk] HELP!! Gary

2003-11-24 Thread ttxpress
Dean, How's this? (size 12) Isn't theletter sizeadjustable there, on your machine(?), e.g., using Internet Explorer, on the top menu bar, go to 'view', then to 'text size' and increase the size accordingly Also, check out the preferences and/or view setup in the specific program you're

RE: [TruthTalk] Chuck Spingola/Love

2003-11-24 Thread Carrolll Moore
[Original Message] jt: OK, I see why you need to talk about the wrath of God against the unrighteousness of men but still believe that a homosexual can come just as they are - they can not stay just as they are, and neither can any of the rest of us. Dean writes: In the OT under the

Re: [TruthTalk] Did Lot preach to Sodom?

2003-11-24 Thread Carrolll Moore
- Original Message - From: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/24/2003 6:15:08 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Did Lot preach to Sodom? http://www.freegift.net/ Should I add "Fear God" to the scrolling marquee:-) I have an Idea-For those that have Bible search

Re: [TruthTalk] HELP!! Gary

2003-11-24 Thread Carrolll Moore
- Original Message - From: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/24/2003 6:27:34 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] HELP!! Gary Dean, How's this? (size 12) Isn't theletter sizeadjustable there, on your machine(?), e.g., using Internet Explorer, on the top menu bar, go to 'view', then to

[TruthTalk] Adding my buck and a quarter

2003-11-24 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: Arsene Lupin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in part: ...Because adding my two cents isn't enough for the lot of you!! Since there is a heavy discussion over me and my Salvation and intents, I feel that now I should speak out and plainly concerning the methods used on my fellow heathens and

[TruthTalk] Chuck Spingola/Love

2003-11-24 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: Carrolll Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Original Message] jt: OK, I see why you need to talk about the wrath of God against the unrighteousness of men but still believe that a homosexual can come just as they are - they can not stay just as they are, and neither can any of the rest of us. Dean

RE: [TruthTalk] Did Lot preach to Sodom?

2003-11-24 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: Yes I hear what you are saying but we should see the Spirit of Christ in action. Of course, including the Spirit of Christ going into the Temple and chasing out those who were defiling it. We should see this same zeal in action. Judy wrote: Judy wrote: What about the side

RE: [TruthTalk] HELP!!

2003-11-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
I dont think my daughter-in-law has read the David Brooks versionneither have I. She is also a Naval Academy grad; so could easily whup my behind! Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23,

Re: [TruthTalk] Adding my buck and a quarter

2003-11-24 Thread LaurHamm
In a message dated 11/24/2003 5:22:45 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Laura: So what are your beliefs concerning forgiveness?TPW: That we will only forgive when it will be worth it to forget it after. We are forgiven through the shed blood of Christ on the cross. I think you

[TruthTalk] Coddling sin

2003-11-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
Judy, -Original Message- I didn't find that CNN thing a bit funny and it saddened me that some of you did. Michael Jackson is a mess, the product of a massively dysfunctional home and presently held captive by the powers of darkness. How can we claim to fear God while

[TruthTalk] Holy Hubert

2003-11-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
David, I did a web search but could not find the book you are referring to about Hubert Lindsey. Where do you find it? However I did find this wesite, http://www.concentric.net/~Kottca/hubert , which states that Holy Hubert sought to apply much of the Mosaic Law to contemporary Christians.

[TruthTalk] Did Lot preach to Sodom?

2003-11-24 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy wrote: Yes I hear what you are saying but we should see the Spirit of Christ in action. dm: Of course, including the Spirit of Christ going into the Temple and chasing out those who were defiling it. We should see this same zeal in action. jt: I

Re: [TruthTalk] Did Lot preach to Sodom?

2003-11-24 Thread ttxpress
How do you two resolve this issue(?) : On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 07:53:48 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Man's freedom of choice (contingency) is God given -- On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:51:54 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]God's ordained plan of

[TruthTalk] Coddling sin

2003-11-24 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy, -Original Message- I didn't find that CNN thing a bit funny and it saddened me that some of you did. Michael Jackson is a mess, the product of a massively dysfunctional home and presently held captive by the powers of darkness. How

[TruthTalk] Freedom of Choice Contingency

2003-11-24 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ftr, it might be wise to examine a distinction betw 'freedom of choice' and 'contingency' Brooks is the one who contrasts the culture of fidelity with the culture of contingency and he goes on to define them; what do I need to examine further? On Mon, 24 Nov 2003

RE: [TruthTalk] Coddling sin IS sin

2003-11-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
Jt wrote: Michael Jackson was raised in a cult and has been confused since he was a child. The money and fame came early on and further complicated matters. So the curses on his life were amplified, from the 1980's on you can see him going downhill very quickly. Today he is addicted to

RE: [TruthTalk] Did Lot preach to Sodom?

2003-11-24 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: How do you two resolve this issue(?) Gary, I did not have time to read the article carefully that you shared, and most of the interaction about it has been confusing. It sounded like maybe you believe that we should be pushing Homosexual Marriage as a good and proper thing to do?

Fw: RE: [TruthTalk] Coddling sin IS sin

2003-11-24 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jt wrote: Michael Jackson was raised in a cult and has been confused since he was a child. The money and fame came early on and further complicated matters. So the curses on his life were amplified, from the 1980's on you can see him going downhill

Re: [TruthTalk] Adding my buck and a quarter

2003-11-24 Thread Arsene Lupin
Laura: We are forgiven through the shed blood of Christ on the cross. I think you have it backwards. We forgive and then forget. If you have been wronged and refuse to forgive because you don't think you can forget, how do you find any peace in your life. You must live in constant turmoil.

Re: [TruthTalk] Adding my buck and a quarter

2003-11-24 Thread LaurHamm
In a message dated 11/24/2003 11:43:57 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Laura: We are forgiven through the shed blood of Christ on the cross. I think you have it backwards. We forgive and then forget. If you have been wronged and refuse to forgive because you don't think you

[TruthTalk] Did Lot preach to Sodom?

2003-11-24 Thread jandgtaylor1
David you will need to read the article to see in what context the freedom of choice contingency question is set. I understand what you are saying about God ordaining marriage and agree. My question to you (and hopefully this will resolve the question) is Does God give man freedom to make his

RE: RE: [TruthTalk] Coddling sin IS sin

2003-11-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
-Original Message- jt: So Jesus going to the cross for us is tough love? Was his forgiveness toward the woman caught in adultery coddling her? Izzy says: Yes, in fact that was the toughest love. Now he expects us to do the same, and crucify our own flesh.

Re: [TruthTalk] Adding my buck and a quarter

2003-11-24 Thread Arsene Lupin
Laura: WOW I hope I never offend you! TPW: It's ok m'am. I would never harm a lady. We do have manners... TPW _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.

Re: [TruthTalk] Did Lot preach to Sodom?

2003-11-24 Thread ttxpress
DavidMs position seems quitesimilar to Cal Thomas'--he has written on this issue recently, too. FTR, Speaking of confusion on the matter (resulting from the retention of certain biases?), in an 'exegetical' sense, it appears that DavidM and CT bothadd the adjective 'homosexual', as in the

Re: [TruthTalk] Freedom of Choice Contingency

2003-11-24 Thread ttxpress
Judy, Why to examine the role of 'contingency'in your view/s : You say in another post"..and they blew it.", meaning, obviously, thatAE 'blew' ensuing history, as we know it; thatAEs *so-called* 'free choice'of evil *(I'm leaving plenty of room for DavidM to rock 'n roll:)* still results

Re: [TruthTalk] Adding my buck and a quarter

2003-11-24 Thread LaurHamm
In a message dated 11/24/2003 4:58:59 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Laura: WOW I hope I never offend you!TPW: It's ok m'am. I would never harm a lady. We do have manners...TPW The point is that I wouldn't want to offend you and then find out you refused to forgive me even

Re: [TruthTalk] Adding my buck and a quarter

2003-11-24 Thread Arsene Lupin
JT: My, my, how things have changed TPW - At first you appeared to be not entirely humble but at least respectful and willing to dialogue because as you've been telling us heathens do not proselytize. But we've progressed from that to taking up an offense over the arrogance of the street

Re: [TruthTalk] Adding my buck and a quarter

2003-11-24 Thread Arsene Lupin
Laura: The point is that I wouldn't want to offend you and then find out you refused to forgive me even though I'd be doing the right thing by asking. TPW: It would depend on the offense of course. If it's mere words, then I let it slide. If it was however an attack on my kin and blood was

RE: [TruthTalk] Did Lot preach to Sodom?

2003-11-24 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: My question to you (and hopefully this will resolve the question) is Does God give man freedom to make his own choices? Yes. Judy wrote: IOW if two homosexuals do choose to marry, would God try to stop them? Strike them dead or whatever? No. But he might strike them

[TruthTalk] Coddling sin IS sin

2003-11-24 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] jt: So Jesus going to the cross for us is "tough love?" Was his forgiveness toward the woman caught in adultery "coddling" her? Izzy says: Yes, in fact that was the toughest love. Now he expects us to

[TruthTalk] Freedom of Choice Contingency

2003-11-24 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy, Why to examine the role of 'contingency'in your view/s : You say in another post"..and they blew it.", meaning, obviously, thatAE 'blew' ensuing history, as we know it; thatAEs *so-called* 'free choice'of evil *(I'm leaving plenty of room for DavidM to rock

[TruthTalk] Repenting

2003-11-24 Thread Carrolll Moore
jt: But that whole system was done away with at the cross. Now we come to another sacrifice the Lord Jesus Christ and yes, we should come with the understanding that change is necessary but we have no power in and of ourselves to change until we receive the indwelling Spirit and the

[TruthTalk] David Miller

2003-11-24 Thread Carrolll Moore
David would you resend the name of the Book about Holy Hubert-I trashed the info in a clean up of my mail. Thanks bro- your friend in Christ, Dean Moore -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6)

RE: [TruthTalk] Coddling sin IS sin

2003-11-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
Judy, I had no idea that you raised your children wrong; sorry to hear it if that is the case. Actually, I dont have sodomite friends, just neighbors and acquaintances. FTR, I will leave you to your opinions from now on. If you dont believe me, just ask the Mormons. J Izzy

[TruthTalk] Coddling sin IS sin

2003-11-24 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy, I had no idea that you raised your children wrong; sorry to hear it if that is the case. jt: Wasn't it you who wrote - I have noticed that parents who have your coddling attitude raise children who turn out to be monsters. And those parents

RE: [TruthTalk] Holy Hubert

2003-11-24 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: I did a web search but could not find the book you are referring to about Hubert Lindsey. Where do you find it? I assume that the book Judy mentioned is Bless Your Dirty Heart by Holy Hubert Lindsey. The book is edited by Howard G. Earl, and published by Logos International,

RE: [TruthTalk] Holy Hubert

2003-11-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
David, Wow; what an impressive man of God. Do you know if he was a Sabbath keeper? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Holy Hubert Izzy

RE: [TruthTalk] Coddling sin IS sin

2003-11-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
Judy, I didnt even know that you HAD children. This was just an example of the ramifications of coddling sin. Do you take EVERYTHING personally? Never mind. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday,

Re: **Possible_Spam** [TruthTalk] Terry/Dean

2003-11-24 Thread Terry Clifton
Judy: We do not put people in this category. Jesus did. He would not have said that to people who could not tell a hog or a dog from a lost sheep. Discernment Judy, discernment jt: Actually it is Matthew 7; if we put every rebel in this category how is the Church to fulfill the

Re: [TruthTalk] Adding my buck and a quarter

2003-11-24 Thread LaurHamm
Thanks, TPW for answering all the questions! I wondered what you do on Thanksgiving? Do you have any traditions? I guess you can't thank God if you don't believe in Him so maybe you can enlighten us. Laura

Re: [TruthTalk] Adding my buck and a quarter

2003-11-24 Thread LaurHamm
In a message dated 11/24/2003 7:14:17 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Laura: The point is that I wouldn't want to offend you and then find out you refused to forgive me even though I'd be doing the right thing by asking.TPW: It would depend on the offense of course. If it's

Re: [TruthTalk] Did Lot preach to Sodom?

2003-11-24 Thread Dave
David Miller wrote: Judy wrote: Do they have the freedom to make this choice and is this freedom basically God-given. Does God allow people to fail? Yes, of course. Who would argue otherwise? God allows people to choose to sin. DAVEH: Why do Protestants believe God allows men to